It is about time someone with Congressional responsibilities to the people, took a stand against this continuing Presidential tyranny. It still remains for us to see how the "gun issues" develop to what result.
Texas Republican Rep. Steve Stockman threatened Monday afternoon that he would file articles of impeachment against President Barack Obama if he institutes gun control measures with an executive order.
Stockman warned that such executive orders would be "unconstitutional" and "infringe" on our constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms." (RELATED: Levin: If Obama sidesteps Congress on debt ceiling, 'no choice' but impeachment)
"I will seek to thwart this action by any means necessary, including but not limited to eliminating funding for implementation, defunding the White House, and even filing articles of impeachment," Stockman said in a statement.
At his press conference Monday, Obama floated the possibility of using executive action to enact policies aimed at reducing gun violence.
The freshman congressman, who served one term in Congress in the mid-1990s, further labeled the possibility "an existential threat to this Nation because, he said, the purpose of the Second Amendment is to allow the people to protect themselves from tyranny. (RELATED VIDEO — Walter Williams: People misunderstand the point of the Second Amendment)
"Any proposal to abuse executive power and infringe upon gun rights must be repelled with the stiffest legislative force possible," he added. "Under no circumstances whatsoever may the government take any action that disarms any peaceable person — much less without due process through an executive declaration without a vote of Congress or a ruling of a court."
He concluded by claiming that an executive order would be not just "not just an attack on the Constitution," but also an "attack on Americans."
"If the president is allowed to suspend constitutional rights on his own personal whims, our free republic has effectively ceased to exist," he said.
Hehehe, "god" forbid those republicans have to turn in their guns...they only want to disarm those who disagree with their dogmatic doctrines...
Better impeach the democratic president before republicans have to answer to the same rules as everyone else...
Ridiculous if you ask me, and clearly indicative of an elitist agenda.
Noones taking my guns, and I dont need some half baked repuke from Texas to pretend to be sticking up for me, when hes really doing what they all do up in Washington, and look out after their own greedy elitist arses.
All current politicians should be impeached..right now...and we need to find some decent replacements who really care about America instead of their fat bank accounts and worldly possesions...which constitute their entire world.
Its also a shame religion has such a strong grip on sanity in our hallowed halls...we could really have a great country if theyd stop using their belief systems to bolster their opinions and sick ideals...we need a non denominational government and as long as these a-holes ride their respective dogmas everywhere they go, were in for a long, long wait for fairness and a true loving society led by good men.
Not buying it....
Quote from: Littleenki on January 15, 2013, 03:55:37 AM
Its also a shame religion has such a strong grip on sanity in our hallowed halls...we could really have a great country if theyd stop using their belief systems to bolster their opinions and sick ideals...
Gee LE,
I dont quite understand, what has religion got to to with O and his
gun grabbing administration?
The Catholics are all for gun control, dont you know?
They just dont want birth control, two seperate issues.
It's predictable that he is from Texas. They've always been one of the most restive states in the Union; they've had a secessionist movement for years.
I can't see this going anywhere, however. Congress are bought and paid for, as always. The Republicans might filibuster on as much as they can, purely in order to antagonise what they view as a black Muslim President, but from what I've seen, the corporatocracy like Obama. They might increase the usual bribes for a month or two if necessary to pull a few people back into line, if others start getting ideas; but that is as far as it will go.
The legislative branch has always been the Achilles' heel of the Republic, exactly as it was with Rome. This is because as with Rome, the American Congress is exclusively a gerontocracy, and is perpetually, systemically corrupt. It has been proven time and again that the only form of legislature that works, is a direct assembly of the population themselves, as was done in Sparta, and as we saw in Occupy, with their General Assemblies.
"Representative," legislature does not work, never has, and never will.
Quote from: burntheships on January 15, 2013, 04:26:02 AM
Gee LE,
I dont quite understand, what has religion got to to with O and his
gun grabbing administration?
The Catholics are all for gun control, dont you know?
They just dont want birth control, two seperate issues.
Hey BTS, religion is always involved whether spoken or not when it comes to these fundamental Republicans..otherwise I wouldnt have brought it up.
And Im never going to stick up for catholics..thats for sure!
I think anyone who deals with the Republican fundamentalists especially those from Tay-hass...knows that religion is an underlying issue whereas in other places it might not be as much.
Thanks for noticing though! ;)
Quote from: petrus4 on January 15, 2013, 04:35:14 AM
The Republicans might filibuster on as much as they can, purely in order to antagonise what they view as a black Muslim President,
Yeah, couldnt have anyting to do with his statements concerning
executive powers, and gun control.
::)
Well put Petrus..spot on.
Quote from: Littleenki on January 15, 2013, 04:42:35 AM
Hey BTS, religion is always involved whether spoken or not when it comes to these fundamental Republicans..
Still, not seeing it. The majority of Repubicans are just towing a party
line, they only religion they believe in is The State.
Paychecks they can cash, yeah that makes for a nice Sunday.
However, there does exist a core group of people, whatever the voting
affiliation that will not stand by to allow the destabilzation of America,
well at least not just yet. Two more generations, LE.
True BTS the only religion they "believe" in is the state..true hypocrits....but they always use religion to sway the vote and opinion..and thats bad enough as it is.
You know...anyone watching the RNC knows in their hearts who the evil in this country really is..and I dont need to convince anyone of that fact...not that I care for democrats either...its just that the reds are so blatant about their disdain for the people aside from the elite, its disgusting.
Both parties are filled with pompous windbags and back biting members...no doubt.
While I agree that it's unconstitutional...where was this guy when the NDAA went through!?! Geez. That's JUST as unconstitutional! And has such far-reaching ramifications!
No matter the negative thoughts and opinions on this. The "threat of the 2nd amendment" regarding "arms" will cause a conscientious determination on however this gun thing turns out.
Some of you are full of "it", regarding your comments about Texas. Of course your welcome to your opinions, but most of them do seem to stray a bit far from the facts. Oops, facts do get fairly distorted for those who likely get most of their " "supposed facts" from mainstream news sources, and the leftist Democratic party.
Texas is still a wonderful place to live, in spite of the continuing invasion from our southern border, which has been compounded by our President's refusal to uphold the laws in that regard.
I am a "born in Texas" Texan, and I am proud that one of our elected officials had made it clear, by taking a 2nd Amendment stand on the gun issue. Of course, it is really not a "gun issue" anyway! It is a a combined host of people related issues that need to be dealt with, over time.
The Demo loud mouths are not really concerned about kids having been killed! If they were, does it make sense that they support the killing of of millions of babies (50 million +) over the past 40+ years via abortion. Sandy Hook = less than 30, vs 1.2 million abortions per year, vs only 10,000 (prox) deaths per year by gunshot - murders, suicides, police action, accidents, etc etc.???????????
Not to jump track here, but zygotes and fetuses are not babies.
At any rate, where was Your "constitution-protecting" dude when the NDAA came through?
Quote from: Littleenki on January 15, 2013, 04:44:05 AM
Well put Petrus..spot on.
Thank you, Dave. Having respect for the Constitution's authors does not, in my own mind, forfeit my right to occasionally disagree with them. In all honesty, there are not a lot of areas where I do disagree with them; but the existence and nature of the legislative branch, specifically, is one area where I do. I have never seen any evidence to suggest that the American Congress is really good for anything.
Quote from: burntheships on January 15, 2013, 04:43:37 AM
Yeah, couldnt have anyting to do with his statements concerning
executive powers, and gun control.
::)
If it does, it shows them as hypocrites. Where were the Republican filibusters to block all of the monstrous things that George W. Bush did?
It has been repeatedly proven, as far as I am concerned, that the Republican Party only shows any signs of having a conscience, when the evil actions they are blocking, are those taken by a Democratic President.
True Petrus, not everything in our great constitution os worthy of keeping in there..but of course the person who doesnt resort to partisan bickering would see that.
At any rate, as long as we are saddled with these people who pontificate on the differences between democraps and repukes, we shall wallow in the mire.
We all are the same at birth..insane people just choose to divide and separate us into groups and cliques, which only serves a confrontational agenda.
Rdunk, perhaps you should step back and see that your separatism is part of the problem my friend, those who are of your same opinions and thinking are the reason we have such a quagmire of disjointed laws and rules governing us all, written by those who are clearly greedy and insane.
If Americans who think this way would stop being so hard-headed and realize they are making themselves even more distant from a perfect world with such behaviour and ideals, such as religious zeal, and forced political dogmas of past failures which our country is slowly becoming founded upon, we could all move forward.
Unfortunately, we must wait for the "old guard" to die off, and hope their offspring will see the reality and insanity of their forefather's poor choices and mistakes.
Flood event...where are you when Gaia and Mother need you?
Quote from: Littleenki on January 15, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
True Petrus, not everything in our great constitution os worthy of keeping in there..but of course the person who doesnt resort to partisan bickering would see that.
At any rate, as long as we are saddled with these people who pontificate on the differences between democraps and repukes, we shall wallow in the mire.
We all are the same at birth..insane people just choose to divide and separate us into groups and cliques, which only serves a confrontational agenda.
Rdunk, perhaps you should step back and see that your separatism is part of the problem my friend, those who are of your same opinions and thinking are the reason we have such a quagmire of disjointed laws and rules governing us all, written by those who are clearly greedy and insane.
If Americans who think this way would stop being so hard-headed and realize they are making themselves even more distant from a perfect world with such behaviour and ideals, such as religious zeal, and forced political dogmas of past failures which our country is slowly becoming founded upon, we could all move forward.
Unfortunately, we must wait for the "old guard" to die off, and hope their offspring will see the reality and insanity of their forefather's poor choices and mistakes.
Flood event...where are you when Gaia and Mother need you?
Nor really worthy of comment, except................... when " the old guard" as you say, "dies off", you will be left to wallow in your own "spit & waste", as are so many now doing, in various countries around this world, because of their misguided understandings. And that "my friend" is just where this country is headed, with the tyranny that has been displayed by the current administration, and its supporters.
This country is past being broke, by many trillions of dollars, and this administration is continually trying to drive the debt stake deeper into the hearts of generations of its people, all the while making it appear to be a good thing for every one.
The Constitution is the foundation and backbone of this country, and we should strongly resist any person, or President, who violates it law, regardless of political affiliation!
Rdunk:
Meh. pure pablum puking from a brainwashed citizen..please dont even try to comment on my reply...I could care less about your position...isnt that clear?
Le
Quote from: petrus4 on January 15, 2013, 01:10:19 PM
If it does, it shows them as hypocrites. Where were the Republican filibusters to block all of the monstrous things that George W. Bush did?
It has been repeatedly proven, as far as I am concerned, that the Republican Party only shows any signs of having a conscience, when the evil actions they are blocking, are those taken by a Democratic President.
While I am not a republican, and am not defending them I find it comical
all of the Republican bashing...seriously....the Democrats are stinking like
a pile of Bandini.
The Democrats are the bigger hypocrites in all of this, as they are supposed
to be the party of the people, after all ....and supposedly The Republicans
are just NeoCons and rich ones at that.
What will it take for people to see that there is hardly any difference between
them any longer?
I will give Kudos to a small minority of Republicans for tyring to stem the tide,
and yes it is possible to look up who votes for what.
So, how about someone go check to see just who voted for the NDAA?
It is my opinion that guns provide a false sense of security for many,
and that they have stood by thinking they were safe as long as they
had their guns. Well, I think they are now at the last straw, some have tried
to stop the creeping infringements, and failed as they stood with too few
numbers....but they are not kidding when they say 1776 will commence
again if they try and take the guns.
Dont be fooled, they wont stop with the AR15s, they will take and take
just like they have done everything else until they have total control.
Religion has nothing to do with this!!!
Remember, Hitler was a good "Catholic".
So, while I would agree that there should have been some brave souls
step up to the plate and threaten impeachment (actually I think there were)
over the NDAA....its not wise to bash someone just because they
are Repubican....especially when they are taking a stand now.
Sure, there are lots of hypocritical politicians out there,
and at least half of them are Democrats.
Quote from: rdunk on January 15, 2013, 04:59:42 PM
The Constitution is the foundation and backbone of this country, and we should strongly resist any person, or President, who violates it law, regardless of political affiliation!
This is the bottom line, good summation Rdunk!
While some point at Republicans, and I am pointing at the Dems,
I think in reality it is The Progressives that are the real danger here.
Quote from: burntheships on January 15, 2013, 07:31:58 PM
While some point at Republicans, and I am pointing at the Dems,
I think in reality it is The Progressives that are the real danger here.
I believe you are absolutely right bts! And they (the Progressives) continue to prove it, time and time again! And the truth of the matter, is, most Progressives are Democrats.
While there should be good sounding intentions, with the meaning of the term "Progressive", unfortunately it has come to describe those with Marxist/Socialist ideas of "progress" for this country, and its people. And that is exactly the direction this president and his administration is trying to take us.
Quote from: rdunk on January 15, 2013, 07:55:10 PM
I believe you are absolutely right bts! And they (the Progressives) continue to prove it, time and time again! And the truth of the matter, is, most Progressives are Democrats.
While there should be good sounding intentions, with the meaning of the term "Progressive", unfortunately it has come to describe those with Marxist/Socialist ideas of "progress" for this country, and its people. And that is exactly the direction this president and his administration is trying to take us.
Spot on! The amount of lies and disinformation are staggering. They are starting the push towards totalitarianism with the guise of gun control. 93% of violent crimes committed with guns are committed by self proclaimed democrats anyway. The actual facts of gun crimes compared with knife killings, bare hand killings, blunt weapon killings have gun related deaths at the bottom of the list. Hide what you have, you will need it later.
Youre right there Deathcoyote, those with any sort of guns aside from revolvers and shotguns should make plans now...either give em up, or hide them well.
Also, we need to see that there is no reason to stick up for any of the politicians who are in office now, because they are the ones who brought this country to its knees..not a president who is a figurehead and has no real power but to rile up the people with words, then display a soft flimsy backbone like Obama and all the rest have since Reagan.
And really, would Romney have been any different? Come on be serious....
They ALL are garbage..who really wants to run for office to do anything but stroke their own ego and wallets? Not many, and those who might..never win.
As for the constitution..it is a good document, with some flaws, but its the flaunting of these politicians of their couldnt care less attitude about the constitution that is the problem.
Start seeing the forest through the trees folks..we are all being played by these idiots, and it isnt going to stop anytime soon.
Their gameplan is working...lets stop letting them win.
I agree with everything you said except I think Romney honestly planned to make changes that were a 180 from the messed up @#$% that is happening now. I really think he wanted to take us in a different direction. Had he been elected, and had some OHIO districts not reported 99% obama votes... really? Do i have to elaborate on the complete bullcrap that 99% obama in key districts means? Had that not happened as well as other situations, pardon me if im cautious about how loudly i cry wolf, happened... then we may have skipped the whole possible end of america scenarios that are about to happen.
I agree DC, there clearly was a fiasco of an election from the onset..definitely fixed and fueled by greed and hubris of those who reside in the office above the president.
I think Romney posed so many sweeping changes because the elitist factions above the govt knew he wouldnt win, and it was another way to show us how powerless they perceive us to be.
Romney didnt have a chance to try..so Obama and his cronies keep the madness flowing.
I dont really think it wouldve mattered who won, even if Romney had a chance...they(the govt above the govt we know)knew who was going to win long ago, and they also knew what plans were in store for us all well ahead of the election.
Its all a dog and pony show for us the average citizens...and many of us keep buying tickets to every new sequel.
One thing's for sure...this country is in trouble..cut and dry.
We are in trouble, I agree. I'm not sure what is coming out way but it is bad I am sure of it.
Quote from: Deathcoyote on January 16, 2013, 03:12:38 AM
I agree with everything you said except I think Romney honestly planned to make changes that were a 180 from the messed up @#$% that is happening now. I really think he wanted to take us in a different direction. Had he been elected, and had some OHIO districts not reported 99% obama votes... really? Do i have to elaborate on the complete bullcrap that 99% obama in key districts means? Had that not happened as well as other situations, pardon me if im cautious about how loudly i cry wolf, happened... then we may have skipped the whole possible end of america scenarios that are about to happen.
I disagree. Whichever puppet They "voted" in with Their proprietary software in the "voting" machines would toe the line. I just think that the Obama puppet was easier to handle. But They could have put Romney in and had pretty much the same result.
Quote from: burntheships on January 15, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
While I am not a republican, and am not defending them I find it comical
all of the Republican bashing...seriously....the Democrats are stinking like
a pile of Bandini.
My apologies. I have always been reflexively anti-Republican, primarily. Dave is right, however, when he says that neither party are innocent.
Quote from: Amaterasu on January 16, 2013, 04:58:12 AM
I disagree. Whichever puppet They "voted" in with Their proprietary software in the "voting" machines would toe the line. I just think that the Obama puppet was easier to handle. But They could have put Romney in and had pretty much the same result.
The Democratic advantage is that while a Democratic President will not truly be less psychopathic than a Republican, he will almost always be more charismatic, and more skilled at
feigning innocence with the people. The Democrats have always billed themselves as the people's party, and apparently, prior to Clinton it was even true to an extent.
While the Republicans are no more or less evil than the Democrats, they are usually more open about it. The Republicans have always been a party with an elitist focus; namely, wealthy white male, fundamentalist Christian, geriatric fascists; the type who would go to church and be the preacher or otherwise be seen as a "pillar of the community," on Sunday mornings, yet would also be an alcoholic, bashing his wife, and/or raping his daughter at home on weeknights.
I suppose, Petrus. But I still say it really doesn't matter. Clearly if this was always the case, We would never have a Republican pres. It all boils down to who They can control best, really.
Quote from: Amaterasu on January 16, 2013, 06:21:13 PM
I suppose, Petrus. But I still say it really doesn't matter. Clearly if this was always the case, We would never have a Republican pres. It all boils down to who They can control best, really.
Right, Amy...hence the Repuke congress, with a parallel Democrap president.
The puppeteers, with their puppet..its all a big show for us to watch and worry about while they work behind the scenes to strengthen their true agenda, which is vastly more sinister than taking some guns away.
Then again, some choose to take the bait...drink the kool aid....bite the apple...and those are the ones choosing partisan sides..the hypocrits of religion, politics, and control...evil in every way.
Some will never wake to the truth....and those of us who have will try our damndest to not allow those sheep to trample the daisies of our new world.
And yes Petrus, those repukes do have a sordid track record..especially the religious ones, so those who think religion has nothing to do with any of this are blind fools who have drank the aformentioned kool-aid.
Water for me please..
Quote from: Littleenki on January 16, 2013, 06:36:02 PM
And yes Petrus, those repukes do have a sordid track record..especially the religious ones, so those who think religion has nothing to do with any of this are blind fools who have drank the aformentioned kool-aid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK_XWH7Ryd4
As I've often said, Dave, for me, this is the
de facto anthem of the Republican Party. ;)
petrus4 said. "a Democratic President will almost always be more skilled at feigning innocence with the people"
petrus, that is one of the very very few things I have seen you say that I absolutely agree with. However your word "feigning" is not a very common term used for such subject, and some folks probably wouldn't catch the "true" intent of your comment.
So, for anyone who doesn't know exactly what "feigning" means, here is what the dictionary says:
Main Entry: feign ?[feyn]
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: pretend
Synonyms: act, affect, assume, bluff*, counterfeit, devise, dissemble, dissimulate, do a bit, fabricate, fake, forge, four-flush, give appearance of, imagine, imitate, invent, make show of, phony up, play, play possum, put on, put on act, put up a front, sham*, simulate, stonewall
And, the basic definition of "pretend" and most all of those synonyms relate to outright lying! And yes, petrus, your point is well taken, as that is what the Democrats seem to be able to do the absolute best. And they are even better at making people believe what they say, especially the un-informed.
So, petrus, I thank you for making such a good statement in this discussion!!!