I saw this video the other day and thought it interesting. You can view the video here:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2094968009001/nasa-grail-twins-lunar-orbit-photos?intcmp=related?playlist_id=1821663211001
I started watching it and something caught my eye so I did some screen captures to take a better look.
Now the tiff's aren't the highest resolution but it was better than I thought. I noticed that the forward looking camera started out fairly sharp but as the moon scape passed from forward looking to rear looking I noticed that the images were blurry in spots. Almost a smudged apperance or maybe a dusty looking scape. Maybe it's just the poor resolution but there is a noticeable difference.
not too bad
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-1a_zps2a225601.jpg)
still fairly clear
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-2a_zpsfae78e76.jpg)
now it starts
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-3a_zps6d6b3fad.jpg)
Same photo as above with area outlined
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-3ab_zpsbc8e835c.jpg)
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-4a_zpsb78c80ed.jpg)
Same photo as above with area outlined
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-4ab_zps26460766.jpg)
Now is this just video effects and I'm seeing what's to be expected from a snapshot or is there something else there?
Just thought I'd put this out there and get some feedback.
Peace 8)
Rock
Greetings and Happy Birthday:
We noticed the blurred spaces but thought (almost) nothing of it - until your BRILLIANT observation.
GOLD!
Thanks
8)
Elementary my Dear Sergeant... it's
FOG
Just like on Mars :D
(http://www.astroarts.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/fog_valles_marineris.png) (http://www.astroarts.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/fog_valles_marineris.png)
Fog, dust or whatever. Just wanted to know if it was just me with my tri-focles or there is something actually there. Lol
I think it looks like lack of contrast, it's visible everywhere but more noticeable in larger areas.
That's a possibility that I considered. But wasn't real sure. It's just that areas in the same frame look different.
Well, to me, something about these pics don't look right. On the pics Sgt. has noted, some of the shadows (black) do not look real to me. In some of the places, as much bright-white is there, such probably wouldn't allow for shadows anyway. But, even so, the shadows are there, and some of them even seem to curve around to a different direction, and still remain black.
Yes, the "blurry" areas are there, and one of the biggest white blurry areas has a big black shadow wall on the facing side. Don't think anything that white would be totally shadowed. Some surface features can be seen under the blurry.
To me, it looks "more right" in a negative screen, but still no explanation for the blurry parts.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 18, 2013, 02:05:24 AM
now it starts
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-3a_zps6d6b3fad.jpg)
Yep, too little contrast does that, as it removes the subtle shades that give us the perception of shapes.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Grail1_zpsd577d349.jpg)
Quote
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/grail-4a_zpsb78c80ed.jpg)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Grail2_zpsee271bb1.jpg)
Now, what do you think? :)
Quote from: ArMaP on January 18, 2013, 09:47:19 PM
Now, what do you think? :)
What do I think?
I think ArMaP has trouble with the word
FOG :P
I seem to recall another 'green fog' image back from Spooksville days :D
ArMap this is your photo with my hi-lighted area 'FOG'..LOL
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/ArMap-Grail-Rock_zpse2ccd5a6.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on January 18, 2013, 10:22:13 PM
I think ArMaP has trouble with the word FOG :P
No problems with fog that looks like fog. :)
QuoteI seem to recall another 'green fog' image back from Spooksville days :D
You always had problems with colour. ;)
It was only green because it was only visible on the image used for the green channel when composing the image to RGB from the three greyscale originals, and it looked just like another dust devil, not fog.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 18, 2013, 10:54:45 PM
ArMap this is your photo with my hi-lighted area 'FOG'..LOL
Fog? ???
How can it be fog if we can see what's beneath it? Why does that "fog" appears only on the slopes facing the light?
In the image below that area is closer to the camera, and I can see no fog.
Fog rolls, it moves, fog can be thick. Have you ever driven in fog?..We had some really bad fog here in south Louisiana recently and you couldn't see 10 feet in front of you. Btw I'm not saying it's fog, I'm just saying it looked blurry and smudged. You're probably right in your assestment though.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 18, 2013, 11:58:26 PM
Fog rolls, it moves, fog can be thick. Have you ever driven in fog?
No, I don't drive. :)
But I am accustomed to fog, as I live near the ocean and a river, near an area that is famous for the fog.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 18, 2013, 11:50:39 PM
Fog? ???
How can it be fog if we can see what's beneath it?
Fog is not always thick as pea soup, though I have navigated through stuff that was so thick you couldn't see the front of a 26ft Schooner 8)
QuoteWhy does that "fog" appears only on the slopes facing the light?
Maybe because that is where the sun is heating the surface and creating the fog? Just a thought :P
Patches of fog rolling in to San Francisco....
(http://www.aerialarchives.com/stock/img/AHLB3171.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on January 19, 2013, 04:33:32 AM
Fog is not always thick as pea soup, though I have navigated through stuff that was so thick you couldn't see the front of a 26ft Schooner 8)
True, but if you can see it then it mean that you cannot see what's under it as clearly as what is not under the fog.
(I once was in a car, driving down a mountain, and we couldn't see more than some 3 metres in front of us. My father once found on the road a man in a car that was completely lost, he didn't know if he was going to Lisbon or in the opposite direction. We do get thick fog in Portugal. :) )
QuoteMaybe because that is where the sun is heating the surface and creating the fog? Just a thought :P
Patches of fog rolling in to San Francisco....
Fog usually doesn't remain on slopes, as you probably know. The San Francisco photo and the Mars photo you posted show precisely that
From what I can see the MoonKam wasn't a very high resolution camera (They are 'very' secretive about it's specs).
Normally they use Malin Space Systems cameras but this time they didn't.
Every Grail image i have seen is blurry and out of focus, seems like it had a fixed aperture!
Case in Point:
(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3976/nasagrailcrashmoonimage.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/nasagrailcrashmoonimage.jpg/)
It's primary Mission was to obtain a 'Gravity Map' of the Moon, and i think it did that very well.
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2808/sgravitymapofthemoon.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/sgravitymapofthemoon.jpg/)
Of course you have got to take into account that those images were taken as the probe was screaming into the Moon just before impact :)
If we assume they have been intentionally blurred, because they are of the other side of the moon, then I will run some de-convolution tests and image-tampering checks and get back to you ;D