Hi Everyone,
Wanted to hear from members regarding the Russian meteor prior to the well publicized "flyby". I'm guessing that the powers that be knew that a second smaller asteroid would enter the Earth's atmosphere and chose NOT to release the information for fear of starting a panic.
i would say that sounds believable.
It's possible but I think it's less likely than they didn't see it coming, spotting such relatively small objects moving at such a high speed is very unlikely, even when they are looking for them.
I smell a rat, too.
If NASA says 'we are currently tracking x thousand near earth objects' and many of those appear to be quite small, how the heck did they still miss this one?
Ok i don't know what the resolution of their radar is, i'm betting the military must have tracked it, since it's no bigger than a modern ICBM, their radar is especially made to track small fast moving objects, so if THEY missed it, i can't blame NASA for missing it either. ::)
I return a verdict of gross negligence on both parties, m'lud :P
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 16, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
Ok i don't know what the resolution of their radar is, i'm betting the military must have tracked it, since it's no bigger than a modern ICBM, their radar is especially made to track small fast moving objects, so if THEY missed it, i can't blame NASA for missing it either. ::)
It may have been the same size of an ICBM, but the speed is supposed to have been twice that of an ICBM.
Also, it came from outer space, I don't think they are expecting ICBMs from there.
Well i can agree with that :)
It's the military's job to look sideways.
It's NASA's job to look up ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: ShakespeareGuy on February 16, 2013, 06:40:16 AM
Hi Everyone,
Wanted to hear from members regarding the Russian meteor prior to the well publicized "flyby". I'm guessing that the powers that be knew that a second smaller asteroid would enter the Earth's atmosphere and chose NOT to release the information for fear of starting a panic.
FYI
More conversation here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3585.msg49932#msg49932).
Quote from: ArMaP on February 16, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
It's possible but I think it's less likely than they didn't see it coming, spotting such relatively small objects moving at such a high speed is very unlikely, even when they are looking for them.
Well if they didn't know it was coming, then why were they able to scrabble to shoot it down as early reports told us? And why were so many people ready with cameras? :P
Small? This was one third the size of DA14... NORAD tracks every piece of space debris over 1" in size.
With all those thousand of high tech satellites out there that can spot a license plate on Earth your telling me we cannot see a rock half the size of a football field?
Hi ShakespeareGuy, and welcome to the forum.
Have your first gold for posting something cool 8)
But the main thread is here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3585.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3585.0)
Enjoy!
PWM
Quote from: zorgon on February 16, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
Well if they didn't know it was coming, then why were they able to scrabble to shoot it down as early reports told us?
And you believe everything you're told? It didn't look like it was shot down.
QuoteAnd why were so many people ready with cameras? :P
Why weren't more? :P
QuoteSmall? This was one third the size of DA14... NORAD tracks every piece of space debris over 1" in size.
Debris from what? Satellites? They know their orbits around the Earth, this one came from somewhere out there, as the song goes.
QuoteWith all those thousand of high tech satellites out there that can spot a license plate on Earth your telling me we cannot see a rock half the size of a football field?
Half the size of a football field? It was the size of a bus.
And there's a big difference between a camera looking down at something stationary or moving slowly and detecting a bus-sized object coming at some 15 km/s from space.
PS: and I am still waiting evidence that there are satellites that are able to read a license plate.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 16, 2013, 10:00:06 PM
PS: and I am still waiting evidence that there are satellites that are able to read a license plate.
This is the old Ikonos satellite... in a public available resolution albeit you need to pay to get this level.
http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Shangri-La/tsangpo_3500.jpg
Wait for it to load takes a few scans
I know that photo, I have posted it before, and I don't see any license plate on that photo. :P
Seriously, to read a license plate, a resolution of something like 1 or 2 cm per pixel is needed (a pixel needs to be smaller than the smallest element we want to see, preferably half it's size).
Quote from: ArMaP on February 16, 2013, 10:00:06 PM
And you believe everything you're told? It didn't look like it was shot down.
Do you disbelieve everything you hear and see? Did you look CLOSELY?
::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcs
Need some screen shots of that :D
Russian Politician Denies Meteorite, Claims US Weapons Tests(http://en.rian.ru/images/17169/76/171697626.jpg)
Russian nationalist lawmaker Vladimir ZhirinovskyQuoteMOSCOW, February 15 (RIA Novosti) – Russian nationalist lawmaker Vladimir Zhirinovsky, long known for his flamboyance and outrageous remarks, said Friday that meteorite fragments had not rained down on Russia in the morning, but that the light flashes and tremors in several of the country's regions resulted from US weapons tests.
"Those aren't meteors falling, it's the Americans testing new weapons," Zhirinovsky, leader of the Liberal Democratic Party, told journalists several hours after the Emergencies Ministry began issuing statements on the incident, which has injured hundreds and damaged scores of buildings.
He also said US Secretary of State John Kerry had wanted to warn Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov about the "provocation" on Monday, but couldn't reach him – a reference to US State Department comments earlier this week that Kerry had spent several days trying to speak to Lavrov by phone to discuss North Korea and Syria.
Outer space has its own laws, Zhirinovsky went on.
"Nothing will ever fall out there," he said. "If [something] falls, it's people doing that. People are the instigators of wars, the provocateurs."
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130215/179489080/Russian-Politician-Denies-Meteorite-Claims-US-Weapons-Tests.htmlGotta love it 8)
Quote from: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
Did you look CLOSELY?
I did, in the original video it looks just like reflections in the windshield.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 17, 2013, 02:27:28 AM
I did, in the original video it looks just like reflections in the windshield.
Ofcourse they are
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/13023_428475980565594_2144796226_n.jpg)
They say they can track screws and bolts lost from spacewalks etc. They knew about this long before it happened. If they have ways to see number plates from space looking down to earth, then think of how they can look out into space the other way rather than towards the earth.
They can track anything, and the technology to track nuts and bolts have been banded around for years. Wonder what they have now!!??
Quote from: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
Need some screen shots of that :D
Here you go.
408 frames from the original video (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yvxcl2mtnp2h156/Meteor.zip)
Quote from: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 02:59:44 AM
Ofcourse they are
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/13023_428475980565594_2144796226_n.jpg)
Which part of "original video" didn't you understand.
It's much more likely that it was an UFO from Atlantis, obviously...
Quote from: simon_alex0327 on February 17, 2013, 03:30:50 AM
They say they can track screws and bolts lost from spacewalks etc.
They can because they know the orbital parameters, knowing that they can easily know where it's going to be in the future (unless there's something unexpected affecting it).
Quote from: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcs
Need some screen shots of that :D
Hahah, very nice find Zorgon. If I look close is it my imagination I see
something strike the asteroid? ;D
Quotevisible channel images from the Japanese MTSAT-2 satellite (below; click image to play animation) revealed that the stratospheric component of the meteor trail could be seen for as long as 9 hours with the aid of illumination from the sun
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/category/general-interpretation
Animation
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon_rp/8476482308/
Quote from: ArMaP on February 17, 2013, 02:23:22 PM
Here you go.
Wow that was fast thanks/ You have a program that prints frames?
QuoteIt's much more likely that it was an UFO from Atlantis, obviously...
There you go NOW your getting with the program :D Atlantis eh? Interesting. But there is THIS
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/latest3d%20%282%29.jpg)
Quote Check out these very strange anomalies at the Norman Lockyer Observatory S.P.A.M. Meteor Detection Network - 3D website. This website allows for real-time monitoring of incoming meteors into our atmosphere. What in the world are we witnessing in the picture above and the others below? Is THAT some kind of sign from God? If you look across the many stations, you'll see what appear to be many anomalies, or are they anomalies at all? With the recent meteors incoming around the world lately, I have to wonder. Here is a brief description of what we are supposed to be witnessing in the pics above and below.:
When a meteor strikes Earth's atmosphere it decelerates rapidly. The friction created by the air causes the meteor to burn up at extremely high temperatures creating the white "shooting star" that we are all familiar with. This process also ionises the air along the trail making it possible to reflect radio waves.
Utilising a high powered VHF radar signal sent into the sky, we are able to detect reflected waves from these ionisation trails. Because the meteor is moving, the reflected signal is shifted in frequency from the original, by an amount according to it's speed. This shift is also heard as an audible ping by the station operator.
Our system translates the reflected wave into three main parameters - Amplitude (strength), Frequency shift (Doppler shift) and decay time. This allows us to determine the relative size of the meteor strike (vertical scale) and the relative approximate speed and deceleration (amount of shift and width of the trace).
You can see the output from our system above in real time (approximately 1 minute delay on the Internet). During a meteor shower this trace will be full of strike traces, but it is also surprising how many meteors are striking Earth's atmosphere all of the time.
The pictures below appear to show many more anomalies as well, or is the Earth being bombarded with meteors as these pictures would suggest? If so, what about the patterns? Has our atmosphere been tampered with? What in the world is going on; does anyone at all have any ideas what this is?
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/latest3d%20%286%29.jpg)
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/latest3d50jpg_zps0bf1f711.jpg)
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/latest3d%20%285%29.jpg)
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/latest3d%20%287%29.jpg)
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/latest3d49_zpsa9c17a02.jpg)
QuoteFor anyone who wonders what a normal meteor strike looks like, check out the one below. This is quite typical of what most of these charts look like day to day.
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/LONG-latest3d43_zps9f9e8385.jpg)
SOURCE (http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/02/anomalies-in-meteor-detection-real-time-monitoring-system-what-in-the-world-are-we-witnessing-a-message-from-god-2454626.html)
Quote from: burntheships on February 17, 2013, 07:30:13 PM
If I look close is it my imagination I see something strike the asteroid? ;D
ArMaP says it's "Lens Flare" :D
Yes, bts is right! I see the same thing. One can see some type of object come up from the rear and arrive at the "meteor" just as it seems to explode. At the speed it is traveling, would anything besides an explosive strike cause the pieces to "break out forward" of the mass?
I'm with Zorgon on this one.
NASA follow the tiniest things, I bet they saw this.
As mentioned, the "meteor" was clearly intercepted (as the initial reports included), so obviously the Russian Military were also aware.
I like how it's being compared to Tunguska, although Tunguska had no impact crater or debris.....Hmm.
RT's story about it suggests we have not been told all the facts.
Quote from: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 09:01:36 PM
ArMaP says it's "Lens Flare" :D
No, I say it's reflections on the windshield.
Quote from: rdunk on February 17, 2013, 10:50:57 PM
At the speed it is traveling, would anything besides an explosive strike cause the pieces to "break out forward" of the mass?
An explosion is in all directions, why wouldn't it explode forwards? ???
Quote from: Sinny on February 17, 2013, 11:11:38 PM
I like how it's being compared to Tunguska, although Tunguska had no impact crater or debris.....Hmm.
An ice meteor (or a comet) would explode without leaving an impact crater or debris.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 17, 2013, 11:53:11 PM
No, I say it's reflections on the windshield.
OK
Please explain this:
QuoteOne can see some type of object come up from the rear and arrive at the "meteor" just as it seems to explode.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 17, 2013, 11:57:13 PM
An ice meteor (or a comet) would explode without leaving an impact crater or debris.
Well of course, it could explode forward............as long as the explosive force was greater than the forces reacting against its forward progress.
But exactly what would it be that might cause such an explosion "naturally"?? I have watched a lot of "incomings", but have never seen one actually explode!
Quote from: ArMaP on February 17, 2013, 11:57:13 PM
An ice meteor (or a comet) would explode without leaving an impact crater or debris.
And why do they explode, as opposed to just burning up? Does ice explode, just because it is hot? A rock? What is the history on such explosions?
Quote from: thorfourwinds on February 18, 2013, 01:03:37 AM
OK
Please explain this:
What part of "reflections on the windshield" didn't you understand?
Quote from: rdunk on February 18, 2013, 02:14:41 AM
Well of course, it could explode forward............as long as the explosive force was greater than the forces reacting against its forward progress.
That's why they call it "explosion", because the release of a large amount of energy is done in an extremely short amount of time.
QuoteBut exactly what would it be that might cause such an explosion "naturally"?? I have watched a lot of "incomings", but have never seen one actually explode!
I think it's the difference in temperature between the centre and the outer "shell", the one that is burning in the atmosphere, added to the aerodynamic forces acting upon that outer "shell".
"I think it's the difference in temperature between the centre and the outer "shell", the one that is burning in the atmosphere, added to the aerodynamic forces acting upon that outer "shell" ".
You think? ??? Can't we do better than that?
Why do meteors explode?
Asteroids are just chunks of rock, so what makes them so explosive? In a word: speed.
The kinetic energy, or energy of motion, of a speeding asteroid is enormous. The Russian meteor entered the atmosphere going 40,000 miles per hour (64,374 km per hour), Bill Cooke, lead for the Meteoroid Environments Office at NASAs Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. said in a NASA press briefing.
The chunk of asteroid or comet that caused the 1908 Tunguska event is estimated to have entered the atmosphere at about 33,500 mph (53,913 km/h).
The shock wave from an asteroid's interaction with the atmosphere heats up the rock, essentially vaporizing it, Boslough said. The hot vapor then rapidly expands in the atmosphere, with explosive results.
"It's just like TNT going off, only much more energy," Boslough said.
All the stuff I blew up was always cold on the outside and hot on the inside.
That must be unobtainian gas trapped inside those rocks.
if they store that much energy.we should put it in rocket ships.
A shockwave is not an explosion.an explosion does have a shockwave.
I think tptb want us to think meteors explode.
The kenetic energy was released in the shockwave.
The shockwave is at right angle to direction of object.
the forward momentom is carried in the shockwave by moving forward and out.
all forward momentom of air molecules exceeding the speed of sound
are slowed to below the speed of sound.
By the time the debri gets to us it is usually traveling 130mph.
just strong enough to punch through a house or car but no crater.
Now if haarp burns a hole in the atmosphere ahead of the meteor.
all bets are off.
its like laying track ahead of a freight train.
Quote from: rdunk on February 18, 2013, 02:18:10 AM
And why do they explode, as opposed to just burning up?
Trapped air and gases in the rock, frozen in space. Heat up instantly, expand and KABOOM. Leave a sealed can of soda in your car in Vegas in the summer... same effect... and one sticky mess :P
QuoteDoes ice explode, just because it is hot? A rock?
Yes even metal :D
Quote from: ArMaP on February 18, 2013, 02:18:49 AM
What part of "reflections on the windshield" didn't you understand?
the "reflections on the windshield" part :D
Quote from: ArMaP on February 17, 2013, 11:57:13 PM
An ice meteor (or a comet) would explode without leaving an impact crater or debris.
Hmmmm well....
Ice Falls From Sky, Smashes Fremont Roof
Chunk of ice falls from sky, crashes into California home
Chunk of ice fell from the sky and shocked local residents Croatia
Falling ice perplexes scientists / Theories abound after 2 chunks land in state in a week
Huge Chunks of Ice Fall From The Sky
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQMTLdpcEl9lh0-9ET51ueVhSis4oKg5o4tiXl8VAtDJXnOhTZUw)
(http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/29/images/xlarge/ASecti_ICEBOMB_1308445.jpg)
(http://tierra.rediris.es/megacryometeors/ba_ice_Oakland3.jpg)
Ummm so... you were saying?
::)
Z,I have to disagree that ice flashes or water flashes from meteors.
I believe the expansion of the steam would be at a slower rate due to the insulating factor of the rock and its density as far as being one bonded unit at entry into the atmosphere.
As the pockets of water are exposed to heat they turn into steam jets that cut along the outside of the rock.sometimes cutting the rock into smaller pieces.
these rocks all put off sonic booms fractions of a second apart causing a long boom instead of a single boom.this causes the rock pieces to spread out similar to an explosion.
As far as ice is concerned.ice would make a boom on entry too.otherwise it is a hail stone or ice from a plane.
Imagine the strongest wind one can.
then imagine how big a hailstone that wind could hold up in the atmosphere .hail stones the size of a fridge?
Quote from: zorgon on February 18, 2013, 06:50:26 AM
Ummm so... you were saying?
::)
Was it a meteor or a comet? That's what I was talking about, not generic "chunks of ice".
Russian scientists confirm meteorite fragments foundhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/02/18/meteor.html
Quote
The meteor entered the Earth's atmosphere at a hypersonic speed of at least 54,000 km/h, the Russian Academy of Sciences said in a statement.
Ok so this thing was moving at mach 44 approximately.
So missiles travel at Mach 4 approximately.
175 kg
Vympel R-77
QuoteRussia
1994-
22 kg
Blast/fragmentation
160 km
Mach 4.5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile
Math doesn't work for it to be a earth bound missile.
Any chance or ET friends were helping out????
The Truth Is They Do Have The Satellites That Moniter NEO's (some of us know this, yet its hard to prove)
Thanks to this little crack in the armour.
The DOD manages the information,
and does not share it with scientists, according to this statement.
Quote
"The satellites that monitor the skies around the world for missile launches also detect brilliant incoming meteoroids, including startling events much smaller than the Chelyabinsk bolide," said asteroid expert, Clark Chapman of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado.
This type of information is extremely valuable for helping scientists understand the potentially dangerous cosmic environment of planet Earth, Chapman told SPACE.com. [See video of the Russian meteor explosion]
"In the past, these data have been partly withheld from the scientific community. They should be released immediately, while scientists, emergency management officials, and others are trying to understand what has happened, where people might have been hurt, and where valuable meteorites might befound," Chapman emphasized. p/quote]
QuoteMilitary higher-ups and the agencies involved are guarded about how potent their satellite sensors are as they stare at Earth for nuclear detonations, missile launches and the like.
In a new exclusive interview with SPACE.com, U.S. Air Force Brigadier General Robert Rego, who is in charge of the policy guidance behind the data release, said the Air Force Space Command is "circling the wagons" to close some loopholes in the dissemination of potentially sensitive information.
http://www.space.com/6927-military-seeks-common-ground-scientists-fireball-data-flap.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaQIPBqoQ-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WaQIPBqoQ-Q
TOMORROW...
(http://tongueingeekdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/asteroid01_1600.jpg)
THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW...
(http://plus4chan.org/boards/coc/src/126023705014.jpg)
No one picked up on my question of whether the meteor was shot down by a UFO so I will add an article that goes along with my thinking.
Huge UFO Over Russian City Where Meteor Exploded; UFO Over Bucharest Like Film "Independence Day;" UFO Orb Changes Directionhttp://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2013/02/ufo-over-bucharest-like-film-independence-day-2440932.html
QuoteUFO Sightings Daily author Scott C. Waring says, "This UFO was seen over the world most popular city on on Feb 16, 2013...Chelyabinsk, Russia, the city which had a meteor explode over it with a force of 30 Hiroshima A-Bombs. This brings up several questions about why the UFOs were there. First, did the UFO cause the meteor to explode in the sky instead of the ground which would have killed thousands? Was the UFO there to check out the damage and reaction of the people? Third, did aliens cause the explosion in the first place as some kind of warning the Russia? "
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHkYw-m3_RA
Now you have my attention ;D
Could be they zapped it?
Had it hit the ground, it would have vapourised most of the city ::)
The question is, IF they stopped it, then WHY?
Is there something in this town precious to them?
Or were they, as you say, watching our reaction, which sounds pretty dumb to me. You cause an explosion that injures thousands, & then hang around to see what they do?
Or was it simply they were in the wrong place at the right time, and acted to defend themselves?
frankly, i'm at too severe doubtfulness of meteor theory :) two parallel trails of plume, "meteor" seems to be sphere-shaped object. second projectile is meteor too ??? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv4ZZy3LaTA
that's nice example how real meteor barrels through Atmosphere ;) ::)