If anyone has friends who are newcomers to UFO research then science journalist J. Antonio Huneeus is quite a well established chap and gives some good introductory advice in the videos below about various official and unofficial reports and investigations into the subject - there's also Orkojoker's series of UFO Education videos HERE (http://www.youtube.com/user/orkojoker?feature=watch) which are a great watch and contain significant info about topics like government documentation, USAF regulations and completely ridiculous official UFO explanations.
Rockefeller Briefing document:
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGuCWTNOWUA
QuoteAntonio Huneeus takes a look at some of the most famous official investigations from around the world. The first in this series covers the UN Briefing documents in which Antonio was one of the people hired to craft by Laurence Rockefeller.
Report (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ufo_briefingdocument/index.htm)
BlueBook:
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDOlPNgfX20
QuoteBlue Book was the result of two previous Air Force study projects, Sign and Grudge, in the late forties and lasted until early 1970. It's purpose was to determine if UFOs were a threat to national security, and to scientifically analyze UFO-related data. The project went through many changes, but there can be little doubt that it played a pivotal role in the official history of UFOs in the USA.
Documents (http://www.bluebookarchive.org/)
Cometa:
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDjjIQbSYgk
QuoteThe name COMETA in English stands for "Committee for in-depth studies". This report was carried out over a several year period at the Institute of Advanced Studies for National Defense, or IHEDN, a high-level French military think-tank.
Report (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_cometareport01.htm)
Italian documents?
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpFW_Aecm8
QuoteThese files were originally delivered in the mid-nineties to famed Italian ufologist and author Roberto Pinotti, and sent on stationary bearing the seal of the Kingdom's Senate and Agenza Stefani, the regime news agency in charge of disseminating Fascist propaganda. Forensic analysis was done on the documents and they were found to be originals and not photocopies. Andrea Bedetti, a historian and expert on Italy's Fascist era, found that the stationary, aeronautical terminology and vocabulary were all consistent with real documents from the period. These documents contained written testimony describing in detail several sightings along with hand-drawn pictures. It also discloses that Mussolini and Ciano, Italy's number one and number two leaders were informed right away about the phenomenon. These documents also talk of the alleged creation of the top secret "Cabinet RS/33", led by Marconi, and included some of Italy's most prominent astronomers, scientists and aeronautical engineers. As things went sour for Italy during the war, all the files from Cabinet RS/33 were supposedly shipped to Nazi Germany, where they might have influenced the Italian aeronautical engineer Belluzzo.
link (http://greyfalcon.us/Summary.htm)
Also, for folks interested in UFO history and researching aspects like government documents and specific case histories, Daniel Ropkin over at
Saturday Night Uforia (http://www.saturdaynightuforia.com/) has put together a great list of specialty UFO publications like Flying Saucer Magazine, UFO Historical Review, Journal of UFO History, A.P.R.O. Bulletin, Flying Saucer Review, Flying Saucer Review Case Histories and NICAP UFO Investigator which are all freely available at the link below.
QuoteSpecialty UFO Publications
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ae5134b27e.jpg)
QuoteUFO Historical Review
14 Issues - PDFs at Greenwood UFO Archive
Journal of UFO History
12 Issues - PDFs at NICAP
A.P.R.O. Bulletin
100+ Issues - PDFs at Open Minds
Flying Saucer Review
PDFs at Ufología Heterodoxa.
Flying Saucer Review - Case Histories
PDFs at Ufología Heterodoxa.
NICAP UFO Investigator
PDFs at Ufología Heterodoxa.
Link (http://www.saturdaynightuforia.com/html/libraryufospecialtymagazines.html)
More free editions of specialist UFO publications as Michel M. Deschamps from NOUFORS (http://www.noufors.com/index.html) uploads 22 pdf files of 'UFO Afrinews' which deals with South African UFO cases and research (also plenty of other UFO related material at the link).
Quote 22 UFO Afrinews issues
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QuoteSouth Africa - UFO AFRINEWS
I've finally uploaded all 22 UFO Afrinews issues which Cynthia Hind published from 1988 to 2000. Click on the images to view the files
UFO-Related Documentation in PDF Format (http://www.noufors.com/ufo_related_documentation_in_pdf_format.html)
Also some good UFO newspaper archive collections which can be useful in helping to corroborate existing UFO reports or source separately located sightings from the same time and area.
UFO Newspaper Archives:
QuoteVast Australian UAP newspaper clipping collection unveiled:
QuoteNewspaper collection:
UFO Research (NSW) have scanned and uploaded a vast collection of newspaper clippings to their website ( click here to see them).) They are to be congratulated for making this resource available to us. I realise that newspaper clippings may not always be regarded as a 100% accurate sources of data, but they do add to our knowledge of cases, particularly when they carry a photograph of a trace case, or indeed a photograph of something unusual in the skies.
link (http://www.ufor.asn.au/pages/ufor/magazine/index.php)
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QuoteSome UFO Notes By Loren E. Gross:
QuoteHaving completed a detailed survey of UFO material covering the years 1896 to 1963, I came across some English language newspaper clippings primarily from the 1970s and 1980s..
link (http://www.project1947.com/loren/loren_ufo_notes.htm)
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QuoteMiscellaneous Newspaper Reported UFO sightings in 1947-1950:
PDF File (http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Scully_01.pdf) / Quickview (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:SX0ZXehBlOcJ:www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Scully_01.pdf+misc+newspaper+UFO+sightings+in+1947&hl=en&gl=es&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShqWd15Fk3ZXc8Jc6F8bFNJMxPvXgVF44d6eHZHY8BTy0_J1EcxlR_S-lOnxaPjNs2q-4ENP-R4EGAVJqroZF5rtQHZcajKjhrEEpmPtuNY8k2XoB1DfiMTuw-ZO3dFGy6Chq8P&sig=AHIEtbSlEzC0mSWLBjZYXlxE6zUurjTPFQ)
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QuoteNOUFORS Newspaper Archive:
link (http://www.noufors.com/newspaper_archive.html)
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Quote1966 UFO Sightings Newspaper Archive:
link (http://oldnews.aadl.org/taxonomy/term/9218?page=1)
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QuoteProject 1947 - UFO Newspaper reports from 1957
link (http://www.project1947.com/fig/1954a.htm)
Another good collection of free specialist publications from AUFORN citing 42 editions of Australian UFO Reports and Experiences.
QuoteAUFORN:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/em513a7316.png)
QuoteMy thanks to Robert Frola and AUFORN for permission to keep the archive on UFOINFO.
Individual sighting reports are listed in the Oz Files section of the UFOINFO site.
AUFORN reports may include sightings not mentioned in the Oz Files.
AUFORN, Australian UFO Reports and Experiences (http://www.ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/index.shtml)
Free E-magazines and articles on the UFO subject.
The 'True' report on flying saucers. (http://www.seektress.com/truerep.htm)
The Flying Saucer Menace -Brad Steiger (http://www.rense.com/FSM/p1.htm)
"U.F.O." Revisited (http://www.nicap.org/uforevisiteddir.htm)
Why I Believe In Flying Discs - MacKinlay Kantor (pdf) (http://www.nicap.org/waves/1966PSWhyIBelieve.pdf)
Have We Visitors From Space? - LIFE Magazine, 1952 (http://www.nicap.org/life52.htm)
Are Flying Saucers Real? (Saturday Evening POST, Dec. 17, 1966) (http://www.nicap.org/articles/SatEvePost-661217.htm)
"WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT UFOs" by Dr. J. Allen Hynek (http://books.google.es/books?id=KkiCIy3bsgAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=What+You+Should+Know+about+UFOs&hl=en&ei=CKi6TfDgE82VswbO37H1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=What%20You%20Should%20Know%20about%20UFOs&f=false)
Latest 'Need to know' video dealing with the Rand Corporation:
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daAcBu9xBi4
QuoteThis next part of our "Your Need to Know" series, Antonio Huneeus examines RAND Corporation's UFO document, titled UFO's: What to do? The RAND Corp was originally an outgrowth project of World War II, called Project RAND, in May of 1948 it separated from the Douglas Aircraft Company and became it's own independent, nonprofit organization.
George Kocher of the RAND Corporation, published this document in November of 1968, a few months after the University of Colorado completed it's Condon Report. The RAND Corp document is broken into five different essays, Historical Aspects, Astronomical Aspects, The Character of Reports, Phenomenological Aspects, and How to Proceed and Why. These essays explore the types of reports and sightings, how they are categorized, and a list of hypotheses that exist surrounding the phenomenon. The document also provides an example of a detailed UFO report form developed by the University of Colorado's study group.
Rand Document - "UFOs: What to Do?" (http://www.nicap.org/papers/randdoc.htm)
QuotePdf file (http://www.nicap.org/docs/rand/randdoc681127.pdf)
Patrick Gross newspaper archive collection from the pre-1940's right through to 2009:
QuoteUFOs in the daily Press:
QuoteThe UFO phenomenon in the newspapers, a collection of newspaper articles reporting UFO observations or UFO related information, by local and national newspapers from all countries. These articles are linked from their respective dossier on this site. This page is to answer the claim "if UFOs existed, they would be in the newspaper."
Years 2000 to 2009 (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers.htm)
Years 1990 to 1999 (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers1990.htm)
Years 1980 to 1989 (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers1980.htm)
Years 1970 to 1979 (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers1970.htm)
Years 1960 to 1969 (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers1960.htm)
Years 1950 to 1959 (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers1950.htm)
Years 1940 to 1949 (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers1940.htm)
Pre 1940's (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/newspapers1900.htm)
Latest 'Need to know' video dealing with FBI UFO Documents and the Hottel Memo:
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMj0WF-5ceI
QuoteIn this next part of our Your Need to Know series, Antonio Huneeus examines the UFO files from the FBI's The Vault. The Vault was created in 2011 as a storehouse for commonly requested FBI documents already released under the Freedom of Information Act. Go to Vault.FBI.gov, and from there you can easily search a multitude of topics ranging from counterterrorism to unexplained phenomenon.
The FBI recently revealed on its website that the most searched document is a simple one page memo called the "Guy Hottel Memo". Its contents were written on March 22, 1950 by Guy Hottel, a special agent in charge of the Washington Field Office, and allude to the crash and recovery of the Roswell UFO. The memo ends abruptly with a sentence stating that no further evaluations were attempted. Major news organizations reported on this document being newly released, but it was actually released under the Freedom of Information Act, and available since the 1970s. Bruce Maccabee was the first to obtain this document, and he believes it to be part of an elaborate hoax.
Links:
Ufologie - FOIA declassified documents (http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia.htm)
UFO Evidence - Government UFO Documents (http://www.ufoevidence.org/govtdocs/index.asp)
The Black Vault -Government Document Archive (http://www.theblackvault.com/m/articles/browse/category/UFO+Phenomena)
UFO-Related Documentation in PDF Format (http://www.noufors.com/ufo_related_documentation_in_pdf_format.html)
I will admit that I have become extremely skeptical where the UFO scene is concerned. I'm not skeptical towards the possibility of alien life; my skepticism is directed towards the subculture.
It is the same old material, over and over again; at this point it is impossible for me to view it as anything more than entertainment. If I visit exopolitics.org now, I'm likely to want to do so with a large pizza box and a bottle of Coke next to me at the same time. It's cheaper than renting a DVD, and often more fun. ;)
Shame you've become so disillusioned with the exo-politics crowd Petrus -welcome to the club.
I'll be the first to admit I don't know what is behind UFO origin but I wouldn't dismiss the entire subject just because of one group of ego driven, attention seeking fanatics (to be fair I'd say the world of UFO skepticism has it's fair share of those as well).
Why not just concentrate your efforts on actual UFO/USO incidents and government documentation?
Quote from: karl 12 on April 27, 2013, 02:35:41 AM
Why not just concentrate your efforts on actual UFO/USO incidents and government documentation?
I think partly because I'm also starting to question the overall relevance of extraterrestrials to my daily existence. I am someone who has been notoriously neglectful of my mundane life. I'm getting to the point of thinking that we simply need to leave the aliens alone, for the most part, and instead focus on our own development.
If ET is out there, then my guess is he'll show up on his own time when he is good and ready. That might be many years from now, however, and I need to get my own act together in the meantime.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 27, 2013, 02:44:15 AM
I think partly because I'm also starting to question the overall relevance of extraterrestrials to my daily existence.
Well I don't think we know for sure that the ET hypothesis is necessarily the right one mate - there's also plenty of other opinions out there about UFO origin involving extra dimensional folks, crypto-terrestrials, time travellers, Nazis, demons etc..
I guess the relevance of the UFO subject is subjective but the
curiosity generated by cases like the Colares, Tehran, Coyne, Edwards, Red Bluff and Portage County incidents I've found to be pretty universal - I mean how can a person
not be curious about what these objects actually are?
Quote from: petrus4 on April 27, 2013, 02:44:15 AM
If ET is out there, then my guess is he'll show up on his own time when he is good and ready. That might be many years from now, however, and I need to get my own act together in the meantime.
Well appreciate the honesty and will certainly miss your input - of course you are right to prioritize about personal matters and I'm sure the UFO subject will be just as controversial and unexplained if you ever decide to return to it.
Also, when it comes to serious UFO research (and not the pantomime that is 'exopolitics') then this pdf file is a good read for a rainy day.
QuoteGreat collection of specialist UFO publications in pdf format by atmospherical physicist Dr James Edward McDonald from the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona:
QuotePublications and Statements on Unidentified Flying Objects
Quote133. Talks on Anomalous Aerial Phenomena (Oct. 1966 – Mar. 1968),
134. The Problem of Unidentified Flying Objects, summary of a talk presented to the Am.
Meteor. Soc. (Washington, DC, Oct. 19, 1966),
135. UFOs: Greatest Scientific Problem of Our Times?, presented at the annual meeting
of the Am. Soc. Newspaper Eds. (Washington, DC, Apr. 22, 1967),
136. International Scientific Aspects of the Problem of Unidentified Flying Objects,
presented to the Group of Outer Space Affairs of the United Nations (New York, June
7, 1967),
137. Unidentified Flying Objects: Greatest Scientific Problem of Our Times,
coempendium of several papers by NICAP (1967),
138. UFOs: Extraterrestrial Probes? Aeronautics and Astronautics 5(8), 19 (1967),
139. Science, Technology, and UFOs, presented at a General Seminar of the United
Aircraft Research Laboratories (East Hartford, CT, Jan. 26, 1968),
140. UFOs – An International Scientific Problem, Astronautics Symposium, Canadian
Aeronautics and Space Institute (Montreal, Mar. 12, 1968),
141. A Need for an International Study of UFOs, Flying Saucer Review (London) 14(2),
11 (1968),
142. Statement on Unidentified Flying Objects, submitted to House Committee on Science
and Astronautics (Washington, DC, July 29, 1968),
143. UFOs and the Condon Report, prepared for the Medical Students Colloquium of the
Arizona College of Medicine (Tucson, AZ, Jan. 30, 1969),
144. UFOs and the Condon Report - A Scientist's Critique, presented to the Dupont
Chapter of The Scientific Research Society of America (RESA, Wilmington, DE, Feb.
12, 1969),
145. UFOs and the Condon Report: A Dissenting View, presented at the Pacific Missile
Range Section, Am. Inst. Aero. Astro. (Pt. Mugu, CA, Feb. 18, 1969),
146. The Dissenting View, Engineering Opportunites (April, 33, 1969),
147. Review of The Condon Report, Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects,
Icarus 11, 443 (1969),
148. Science in Default: Twenty-Two Years of Inadequate UFO Investigations, presented
at the 136th meeting of the Am. Assoc. Adv. Sci. (Boston, Dec. 27, 1969),
149. UFOs over Lakenheath in 1956, Flying Saucer Review (London) 16(2), 9 (1970),
150. The 1957 Gulf Coast B-47 Incident, Flying Saucer Review (London) 16(3), 2 (1970),
151. The Kirtland Airfield UFO, Flying Saucer Review (London) 16(5), 6 (1970),
152. Meteorological Factors in Unidentified Radar Returns, presented at the 14th Radar
Meteor. Conf. (Tucson, Nov. 1970),
153. Letter to the Hon. Silvio Conte (Mar. 8, 1971),
154. UFO Encounter 1. Sample Case Selected by the UFO Subcommittee of the AIAA,
Aeronautics and Astronautics 9(7), 66 (1971),
155. Papers on Unidentified Flying Objects and Related Phenomena (1958-1971),
University of Arizona Special Collection MS412 (previously MS328)
156. ETH: The ExtraTerrestrial Hypothesis, Audio recording (date uncertain),
157. Quotations assembled over many years
Main pdf file (http://www.hep.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/JEMcDonald/bib_jem.pdf)
Minnesota MUFON Journal back issues from August 1992 to April 2013:
QuoteMinnesota MUFON Journal Back-Issues From #53 - #73
link (http://www.mnmufon.org/mmjpdfold.htm)
Minnesota MUFON Journal Back-Issues From #75 on
link (http://www.mnmufon.org/mmjpdf.htm)
Free back issues of OMNI Magazine.
Archive (https://archive.org/details/omni-magazine)
OMNI Magazine Interview with Jacques Vallee:
Scrib Doc (http://www.scribd.com/doc/40545666/Jacques-Vallee-Interview-UFO-Phenomenon)
More specialist UFO publications from Sign Historical Group sourced by RealTVUFOs (http://realtvufos.blogspot.com.es/):
QuoteBulletin Issues: "Civilian Saucer Investigation"
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/cc5211fe83.gif)
QuoteThe Sign Historical Group presents the following four Civilian Saucer Investigation bulletins:
Vol. 1, No. 1, September 1952:
http://project1947.com/shg/csi/csiv1-1.html
Vol. 1, No. 2, Winter 1953:
http://project1947.com/shg/csi/csiv1-2.html
Vol. 1, No. 3, July 1953:
http://project1947.com/shg/csi/csiv1-3.html
Vol. 1, No. 4, Winter 1954:
http://project1947.com/shg/csi/csiv1-4.html
Installment dealing with Canadian UFO studies like Project Magnet and Second Story:
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sjpKvxu0Bk
QuoteThe next episode in our series is titled Canada's Official UFO Studies. We will explore two of Canada's UFO reporting agencies: Project Magnet and Second Story, both established in the early 1950?s. Also we will examine some details of the infamous Shag Harbor UFO incident. This case is one of the very few where a government agency formally acknowledges an unidentified flying object. It was determined that no known aircraft was involved in the incident, so the source remains unknown to this day.
Next one deals with Australian UFO reports and documents.
QuoteAustralia's UFO Files – Your Need to Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xkYAl7TkI
QuoteThe next episode in our series is Australia's UFO Files. The National Archives of Australia holds a number of records relating to UFOs, flying saucers and other unidentified aerial phenomena. The documents became available in August 2012 under Australia's 30-year rule. This rule orders the release of government documents 30 years after they were created. Most of these records date from the 1950's to the 70's, when public interest in UFOs was high and many sightings were reported to Commonwealth authorities.
Quote from: karl 12 on May 02, 2013, 10:17:55 PM
Well I don't think we know for sure that the ET hypothesis is necessarily the right one mate - there's also plenty of other opinions out there about UFO origin involving extra dimensional folks, crypto-terrestrials, time travellers, Nazis, demons etc..
This is something I am likely to focus on in the near future. I am increasingly leaning away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis. I accept that ETs are out there. I also think - given the astronomical number of possible civilisations out there - they probably have, do and will have visited Earth and also likely monitor Earth's development in the same way humans do animals and study anthropology. I am beginning to lean away from the ETH in important ways....
In particular, any types of sighting that are more common are in my opinion not likely to be from other star systems or planets. If there really are saucers, USOs and similar spotted regularly by pilots then there is little reason to assume they are extraterrestrial. If they are common then they are likely crypto-terrestrial (interdimensional is closely related IMO) with underground, underwater or both the origin.
By hunch is based on a few known facts.
1. They operate effectively on Earth indicating familiarity with the environs.
2. They are practically always spotted within the atmosphere and not in space. (excluding plasma critters which I consider possibly identified already)
3. Humanoid occupants are frequently reported without breathing apparatus which indicates they are adapted to a terrestrial environment.
4. Mythology suggests we are not alone and have not been alone as the only intelligent biped on Earth.
5. The cover up at every turn seems to focus on keeping the debate between ET Hypothesis and misidentification and hallucination sometimes requiring hilariously cooked up nonsense to keep UFOlogists and interested parties there. It makes us look like a bunch of idiots to not move beyond it.
I'd like to do a mega thread on this at some point if time allows but for now will just do an exploratory thread (link below). The input of members on these ideas would be gratefully accepted.
The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection? (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5372.new#new)
PLEASE ADD YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC TO THE THREAD LINKED ABOVE (sorry for shouting :P)
Quote from: Pimander on September 26, 2013, 05:56:34 PM
I'd like to do a mega thread on this at some point if time allows but for now will just do an exploratory thread (link below). The input of members on these ideas would be gratefully accepted.
The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection? (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5372.new#new)
PLEASE ADD YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC TO THE THREAD LINKED ABOVE (sorry for shouting :P)
Great thread mate dealing with probably one of the most important questions of the lot - where the dickens are the objects involved in cases like the Tehran, Coyne, Colares, Red Bluff, Bariloche, Portage County, Edwards AFB, Minot AFB, etc. incidents actually
from?
At least certain countries in South America are starting to get their act together and responsibly investigate the UFO subject -here's the next NTK episode dealing with CEEFA:
QuoteChile's UFO Files – Your Need to Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Llk3T9qFjk
QuoteThe next episode in our series covers Chile's government organization CEFAA — [Comite De Estudios De Fenomenos Aeros Anomalos] translated into English, "The Committee for the Study of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena."
Chile is one of the few countries around the world that has a government-backed UFO research organization. In Spanish UFOs are referred to as OVNIs. [Objecto Volador No Identificado] In 1997 the country publicly recognized it was experiencing UFO sightings and that the phenomenon was real. Some incidents could not be explained by natural phenomena and could not be identified as any type of man-made object.
UFOs in Chile - BAVE's Rodrigo Bravo Garrido on Pilot UFO Cases. (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4375.0)
Cheers!
Quote from: petrus4 on April 25, 2013, 10:01:39 PM
I will admit that I have become extremely skeptical where the UFO scene is concerned. I'm not skeptical towards the possibility of alien life; my skepticism is directed towards the subculture.
It is the same old material, over and over again; at this point it is impossible for me to view it as anything more than entertainment. If I visit exopolitics.org now, I'm likely to want to do so with a large pizza box and a bottle of Coke next to me at the same time. It's cheaper than renting a DVD, and often more fun. ;)
It's not just the UFO scene to which that statement applies to either...
FB.
Quote from: Fruitbat on October 15, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
It's not just the UFO scene to which that statement applies to either...
yeah seems to be in free energy circles too ;)
Quote from: petrus4 on April 25, 2013, 10:01:39 PM
I will admit that I have become extremely skeptical where the UFO scene is concerned. I'm not skeptical towards the possibility of alien life; my skepticism is directed towards the subculture.
It is the same old material, over and over again; at this point it is impossible for me to view it as anything more than entertainment. If I visit exopolitics.org now, I'm likely to want to do so with a large pizza box and a bottle of Coke next to me at the same time. It's cheaper than renting a DVD, and often more fun. ;)
Well don't be skeptical - I'm telling you hand on heart a 'UFO' pretty much said 'Howdy' to me - I'm sure you've seen my post ;D
Having said that, even given the amount of 'UFO's' that I have witnessed, I don't really follow the UFO scene, which is curious - you'd think I might given my experiences. Must be a hidden driving force guiding me away from all the BULLCRAP - as I'm sure there's enough of it.
Interestingly, the UFO material that does strike a chord with me is dismissed by many others in the field.
Which is fine.
I once looked up at the sky and asked our visitors to present them selves...and they did - I just didn't realise it at the time! lol
World works in mysterious ways sometimes.
Quote from: Fruitbat on October 15, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
It's not just the UFO scene to which that statement applies to either...
FB.
See what you mean Fruitbat but when it comes to the UFO subject would you say the statement is a fair one in the first place?
Sure the 'Exopolitic' sideshow is quite entertaining at times and has certainly disillusioned a fair few people (couldn't have worked better if it was designed to do it) but did think the Disclosure Project's briefing document contained quite a few gems -also featured some nice government documentation and transcripted interviews with FAA officials, Military officers, professional pilots, USAF Radar operatives etc. so I wouldn't say it's all fun and games.
DISCLOSURE PROJECT BRIEFING DOCUMENT (http://www.galactic-server.com/radio/greer/disclosure1.html#_Toc512151300)
Also thought interviews with folks like Michael Smith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G170JY_Yrcc) and Graham Bethune (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-xwCQfU4uw) were well worth a watch and if it gets testimony (or awareness of incidents like Tehran incident, the Cannon AFB incident, the Fort Richie incident, the JAL 1628 Alaska case, the Washington fly-overs, the 1975 SAC flyovers, etc..) to a wider audience then it can't all be a bad thing.
As for there being nothing new in UFO research and 'the same old material, over and over again' then the last NTK video featuring the work of South American Governmental organisations like CEEFA (in conjunction with NARCAP) is a relevant one and there are some good vids below -also looks like Peru have just signed up (link (http://www.openminds.tv/peruvian-air-force-to-re-open-ufo-investigation-department-1173/)) so maybe the focus shouldn't be in the West anymore but more with countries like Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Peru.
QuoteLAN Flight 045, Puerto Montt, Chile, June, 1988:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6e4QSmZ0qQ
Punta Arenas, 3rd March 2011:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSACM2VSFyo
DAP12 Telephone Report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xteWGJojw74
More (http://www.narcap.org/CEFAANARCAP/CEFAA_DATA.html)
Cheers.
Next installment discussing official Brazilian UFO research, government UFO documents and specific cases:
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubGeqS9g6po
QuoteThe next episode in our series covers Brazil's UFO investigations. The government of Brazil has openly acknowledged the topic since the 1950's and has released a number of UFO files from their investigations. From 1969 up until 1972 Brazil had an official UFO research organization called The System for the Investigation of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (SIOANI). It'd investigation were open to the public, and they would often work with civilian UFO researchers. However, when the US closed their UFO investigation program, Project Blue Book, the Brazilians soon followed their lead and closed SOIANI in 1972.
Brazilian Ministry of Defense - Official Meeting With UFO Researchers. (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4314.0)
Latest installment about Peru's UFO files:
QuotePeru's UFO Files - Your Need to Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eymT4nJKlz0
Peru has long been recognized as a UFO hotspot by Ufologists and researchers alike. Some believe that archeological wonders such as the Nazca lines and Machu Picchu are evidence that ancient astronauts visited the area and are possibly still visiting today. On top of its rich archeological connection and a large populace that holds an interest in the phenomenon, Peru stands out as a country that takes UFO sightings very seriously.
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