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North Korea says it will launch nuclear attack on America | The Sun |News (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4829035/north-korea-says-it-will-launch-nuclear-attack-on-america.html)


7 March 2013

Jr War-Monger
Say, is it possible that Kim Jong-un missed picking up the Junior War-Monger Badge in scouts or whatever the NK's do instead of living a normal life under despotic rule?

That - or a side-deal with Iran to play distraction while Iran finishes up nuke building - sure seems like possibilities behind his announcing a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the US is possible.

Now, if he starts using a term like "nuclear tsunami" then I'd get worried as hell for linguistic reasons. 

Hopefully he doesn't read Clif's stuff (http://www.halfpasthuman.com/wujo/clifswujo352013time.mp3).



NORTH Korea led by tyrant Kim Jong-un has sensationally vowed to launch a NUCLEAR attack on the USA.

The provocative statement comes weeks after the country conducted underground nuclear tests which caused a massive earthquake.

America's west coast cities on Los Angeles and San Francisco are feared to be in Kim's sights.

A foreign ministry spokesman said:




Japanese intelligence believes that North Korea is close to putting into service their new RSM-25 (or Musudan) ballistic missile.

However experts doubt the country's ability to produce a warhead capable of being fitted to a long-range missile.

The announcement comes on the day North Korea launched a chilling new propaganda film via its official Youtube channel.

The footage shows missiles, armed soldiers, tanks and military parades.

The UN is set to impose its toughest sanctions yet on oddball Kim Jong-un's nation - they will be drafted today.

The nuke warning from North Korea was put out by the country's official news agency and accused the US of leading the calls for the crippling sanctions.

more (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4829035/north-korea-says-it-will-launch-nuclear-attack-on-america.html#ooid=dlZHAzOTrWGlXX0Z6iMBe2qBAL8Nw6fj)



Video:
North Korea release video of attack on America (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/video/news/4779744/North-Korea-release-video-of-attack-on-America.html)

PROPAGANDA movie has been uploaded on the regime's official website and shows city under fire

So the UN is going to impose more sanctions against N Korea.  Great idea.....then they will feel that they have nothing to lose by firing a missile towards the US.

Why can't everyone just get along??????

Quote from: micjer on March 07, 2013, 08:42:49 PM
So the UN is going to impose more sanctions against N Korea.  Great idea.....then they will feel that they have nothing to lose by firing a missile towards the US.

Why can't everyone just get along??????

I'm trying desperately to remind myself, here, that thermonuclear death raining down on Washington would be a bad thing, because it wouldn't only be government personnel who would die, but a lot of innocent civilians as well.

Regardless of the degree of enthusiasm that some of us might feel about the prospect, the North Korean president should probably be reminded, of the lack of wisdom inherent in writing cheques which he cannot cash; although I am aware that a characteristic of insane despotism is usually a lack of proportion.  The DPRK does not have a delivery system capable of sending nuclear weapons across that distance, from what I have read.

Mind you, I continue to view it as deeply hypocritical that Americans express as much derision towards Kim Jong Un and his late father as they do, while apparently viewing the legion of murdering psychopaths within the halls of their own government, as somehow being morally superior.  America as a country may not yet be in exactly the same condition as the DPRK, but she is making good progress on heading down the same path. 

I do not consider either Obama or Hillary Clinton at least, to be in any way more desirable than either of the two most recent members of the DPRK's Kim dynasty.  It cannot honestly be said that either the President or Vice President have any more honest regard for the wellbeing of their constituents, than the Kims do.

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20 March 2013

By Ian Johnston, Staff Writer, NBC News
Kim Jong Un said on Wednesday that North Korea would attack U.S. military bases in the Pacific in addition to South Korea if its "enemies ... make even the slightest movement," according to the North's official KCNA news agency.

The North also hit out over deployment of a U.S. B-52 bomber to South Korea, warning of "all-out action" - the latest of a series of threats issued by Pyongyang.

KCNA news agency said, in its usual flowery rhetoric, that the presence of the bomber showed the U.S. was preparing for "a pre-emptive nuclear strike," echoing its own earlier threat to do that.


source (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/20/17387755-north-koreas-kim-jong-un-threatens-attack-on-us-bases-in-pacific)

Quote from: micjer on March 07, 2013, 08:42:49 PM
So the UN is going to impose more sanctions against N Korea.  Great idea.....then they will feel that they have nothing to lose by firing a missile towards the US.

Why can't everyone just get along??????

Because the war profiteers would lose money.

BRING IT ON KIM DONG UN

Don't you remember what happened to your last two launches?

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North Korean Rocket Launch Fails: U.S. Officials - ABC News Apr 12, 2012

QuoteThe 90-ton rocket launched at 6:39 p.m. EDT, but 81 seconds into the launch, the U.S. detected a substantially larger than expected flare and by ten minutes after launch, the rocket was no longer on several radar screens, U.S. officials said.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/north-korea-launches-test-rocket/story?id=16125951#.UVEYBNhGiSo

We will send more lawyers over there than they can handle.

Space law,you know.
It will kill two birds with one stone..... ;D

http://swfound.org/resource-library/space-law/ (http://swfound.org/resource-library/space-law/)

North Korea threatens to strike US mainland (http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-korea-threatens-to-strike-us-mainland-20130326-2gsba.html)

SEOUL: North Korea has put its artillery and ''strategic'' rocket units on combat ready status, with orders to prepare for strikes against the US mainland, Hawaii and Guam, state media is reporting.

A statement from the Korean People's Army supreme command on Tuesday ordered ''all artillery troops including strategic rocket units and long-range artillery units to be placed under class-A combat readiness''.

The units should be prepared to attack


as well as South Korea," said the statement carried by the Korean Central News Agency.

Despite its successful long-range rocket launch in December, most experts believe North Korea is years from developing a genuine inter-continental ballistic missile that could strike the continental United States.

Hawaii and Guam would also be outside the range of its medium-range missiles, which would be capable, however, of striking US military bases in South Korea and Japan.

The supreme command announcement came days after the South Korean and US militaries signed a new pact,


While existing agreements provide for US engagement in the event of a full-scale conflict, the new protocol addresses the response to a limited provocation such as an isolated incident of cross-border shelling.



and allows Seoul to request any additional US military force it deems necessary.

North Korea shelled a South Korean border island in November 2010, killing four people.
AFP
more (http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-korea-threatens-to-strike-us-mainland-20130326-2gsba.html#ixzz2OezuM7aD)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on March 26, 2013, 05:10:46 PM

FOR THE RECORD:

SEOUL: North Korea has put its artillery and ''strategic'' rocket units on combat ready status, with orders to prepare for strikes against the US mainland, Hawaii and Guam, state media is reporting.

The last time someone attacked Hawaii we sent them a package. Maybe someone needs to send Junior a copy of the video as a reminder :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwkyPvlWPM0

Quote from: petrus4 on March 07, 2013, 10:04:36 PM

I'm trying desperately to remind myself, here, that thermonuclear death raining down on Washington would be a bad thing, because it wouldn't only be government personnel who would die, but a lot of innocent civilians as well.

Yes, it certainly wouldn't be a good thing - I don't know if you've seen it but this is a pretty fascinating and disturbing BBC docu-drama from the 1980's analyzing the scientific effects of a nuclear detonation on a civilian population.

Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcTcNxl-Vl8

QuoteThreads is a British television drama produced by the BBC in 1984. Written by Barry Hines and directed by Mick Jackson, it is a documentary-style account of a nuclear war and its effects on the city of Sheffield in northern England.

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads)

I think it should be compulsory viewing for as many politicians, war mongers and religious ´end time´ fanatics as possible and at least we now know what to expect if a thermo-nuclear exchange actually does occur - starvation, nuclear winters, radiation sickness, cannibalism and deformed births within years if not months (maybe this time next year).

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March 7, 2013: In this file photo released by the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) and distributed by the Korea News Service, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, center, walks with military personnel as he arrives for a military unit on Mu Islet, located in the southernmost part of the southwestern sector of North Korea's border with South Korea. (AP/KCNA)


North Korea says its nuclear weapons won't be traded | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/31/north-korea-holds-party-meeting-calls-nukes-nation-life-that-arent-on/)

31 March 2013

SEOUL, South Korea –  A top North Korean decision-making body issued a pointed warning Sunday, saying that nuclear weapons are "the nation's life" and will not be traded even for "billions of dollars."

The comments came in a statement released after North Korean leader Kim Jong Un presided over the plenary meeting of the central committee of the ruling Workers' Party. The meeting, which set a "new strategic line" calling for building both a stronger economy and nuclear arsenal, comes amid a series of near-daily threats from Pyongyang in recent weeks, including

a vow to launch nuclear strikes on the United States and a warning Saturday that the Korean Peninsula was in a "state of war."

Pyongyang is angry over annual U.S.-South Korean military drills and a new round of U.N. sanctions that followed its Feb. 12 nuclear test, the country's third. Analysts see a full-scale North Korean attack as unlikely and say the threats are more likely efforts to provoke softer policies toward Pyongyang from a new government in Seoul, to win diplomatic talks with Washington that could get the North more aid, and to solidify the young North Korean leader's image and military credentials at home.

North Korea made reference to those outside views in the statement it released through the official Korean Central News Agency following the plenary meeting.

North Korea's nuclear weapons are a "treasure" not to be traded for "billions of dollars," the statement said. They "are neither a political bargaining chip nor a thing for economic dealings to be presented to the place of dialogue or be put on the table of negotiations aimed at forcing (Pyongyang) to disarm itself," it said.

North Korea's "nuclear armed forces represent the nation's life, which can never be abandoned as long as the imperialists and nuclear threats exist on earth," the statement said. more (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/31/north-korea-holds-party-meeting-calls-nukes-nation-life-that-arent-on/#ixzz2P8oMjtgX)

How many Obama Drones with Carpet Bombs would it take to put North Korea back into the stone age?

::)

Anybody know what China would do?  Would they still back N Korea?

Always a catch. :-\

Quote from: karl 12 on March 26, 2013, 08:51:54 PM

Yes, it certainly wouldn't be a good thing - I don't know if you've seen it but this is a pretty fascinating and disturbing BBC docudrama from the 1980's analyzing the scientific effects of a nuclear detonation on a civilian population.



I think it should be compulsory viewing for as many politicians, war mongers and religious ´end time´ fanatics as possible and at least we now know what to expect if a thermo-nuclear exchange actually does occur - starvation, nuclear winters, radiation sickness, cannibalism and deformed births within years if not months (maybe this time next year).

If no one has seen this Docudrama "Threads" it is a must watch for us here in the USA, They had banned it from being rented here or purchased, had a friend from the UK that had a copy and allowed me to view it, is a very implying and straight forward deductive Video for sure.

So, if you have the time, Watch this video for sure folks,.

1WW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEolF8YT_7U

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 01, 2013, 12:30:04 AM
If no one has seen this Docudrama "Threads" it is a must watch for us here in the USA, They had banned it from being rented here or purchased, had a friend from the UK that had a copy and allowed me to view it, is a very implying and straight forward deductive Video for sure.

So, if you have the time, Watch this video for sure folks,.

1WW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MCbTvoNrAg

Quote from: micjer on April 01, 2013, 12:37:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MCbTvoNrAg

Thanks micjer, Having PC issues so can't cut and paste information, but karl12 had it in his post, that is why I had 'Quoted" his post.

Thanks though. ;)

1WW

I am currently watching it.  Thanks for recommending.

Update.....

Well that was certainly sobering.

Makes everyday problems we have now look silly.

Quote from: micjer on April 01, 2013, 12:37:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MCbTvoNrAg

I saw,  The Day after back in the 80s and this brings home the message loud and clear.  What a moving docudrama.

Edward

I haven't hear a peek about it here. Hope he is just full of hot air. No one here wants war. War is not a good thing. Just remember he has a lot of boats and subs that can pull into a harbor and go off. I would only worry about the South going in first if they hold people in the plants hostage. I think if I worked there it would be a good time for a long vacation and a new job hundreds of miles south. It would be nice if he just worried about his own people and joined the world.

On the money issue, wars with nukes don't make much money for the arms people. I don't think they would go this way unless it was of last resort. No bullets, no money made. Sick as that sounds..........

The mainland recently installed 2 sets of very high fences on the boarder. To keep people in or out, I don't know but the freedom bridge has never been finished. If there was a NK vs the world they he would lose and the world would have a common boundry right on the door steps of mom. This would not be in favor. If we are lucky, mom will handle him and the world will get back to normal. I hope so. We all have enough radiation now.

Wish the world well, Deuem

ANALYSIS: North Korean Photo Reveals 'U.S. Mainland Strike Plan'

http://www.nknews.org/2013/03/breaking-north-korean-photo-reveals-u-s-mainland-strike-plan/

SEOUL – Kim Jong Un signed off on a plan to ready his forces to target the U.S. mainland and American bases in East Asia following yesterday's U.S.-led B-2 stealth bomber runs, the KCNA reported after the North Korean military conveyed an "emergency meeting" in the early hours of this morning.

In a photo published in the Korea Worker's Party (KWP) paper the Rodong, plans for a strike on the U.S. mainland are clearly –and therefore probably deliberately– visible. The newspaper is widely distributed in cities, and often displayed in public places for easy viewing.

"He finally signed the plan on technical preparations of strategic rockets, ordering them to be on standby to fire so that they may strike any time the U.S. mainland, its military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in south Korea," a KCNA report in English said.

In the below photos, Kim Jong Un can be seen in what appears to be a military command room, signing the ready order.

(http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/17/80/30/86/kim-jo11.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=86&u=17803086)
http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/17/80/30/86/kim-jo10.jpg

In the version enlarged by NK NEWS (below), the text reads "U.S. Mainland Strike Plan" [???????], and a larger map towards the back of the command centre appears to show the Western coast of the United States.

(http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/17/80/30/86/north-10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=87&u=17803086)

A composite overlay appears to show San Diego, Washington D.C., Hawaii and possibly Austin as being primary targets in a North Korean attack plan:

(http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/17/80/30/86/kym10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=88&u=17803086)

Ok in all seriousnous.  This either total bluffing or the worst piece of disclosure ever.

Who would really show their battle plan on the internet?

::)

Absolute BS lol

April 1st?

Quote from: micjer on April 01, 2013, 07:33:37 PM
Who would really show their battle plan on the internet?

People that have so many decorations on their uniform they think they are 'special' thus immune :P

or crazy  :o

::)

Quote from: Pimander on April 01, 2013, 07:39:33 PM
Absolute BS lol

April 1st?

Could well be, but was first put out on Mar 29 th.

Either way is ridiculous.

Could you imagine, Obama and his buds showing their targets on a map?  ;D

Quote from: zorgon on April 01, 2013, 07:44:28 PM
People that have so many decorations on their uniform they thing they are 'special' thus immune :P

or crazy  :o

::)

They look like boy scouts that just earned their fire starting badges.   8)

Quote from: micjer on April 01, 2013, 07:47:18 PM
Could you imagine, Obama and his buds showing their targets on a map?  ;D

What you mean like this? I do believe that is Iran down there :P

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/46exuberant/04images/Laser_Power/552abd040333.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on April 01, 2013, 07:54:33 PM
What you mean like this? I do believe that is Iran down there :P

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Come on 'Z' we know "Starwars" wasn't a "REAL" idea!! :P LOL But, if NK is going to pursue this endeavor, or think they are, it makes great sense because the NK always are playing the martyr as it were.

I don't see this evolving from anything more than Huff and Puff, but, if it were to come to fruition, NK would be "Phoenixes" out of the ashes as a "Commendable" society, Gov. wise, "RIGHT?"  ???

1WW

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 01, 2013, 08:34:14 PM
Come on 'Z' we know "Starwars" wasn't a "REAL" idea!! :P LOL

uh huh  just ask IgnoreTheFacts :P

and ask yourself why both NK launch attempts exploded seconds after take off :P

Quote from: zorgon on April 01, 2013, 08:43:54 PM
uh huh  just ask IgnoreTheFacts :P

and ask yourself why both NK launch attempts exploded seconds after take off :P

Well, I said that to be sarcastic, but I do understand you r point. May have very well been, so much cloak and dagger crap with in the G/ O/ V/ facilities, who knows whats going on, that is if we didn't have people like Ignorethefacts.....:)

Like the Pic though!!

1WW

on the main Italian newspaper websites right now it is reported that:

North Korea issued an order for a nuclear attack on the USA,
and that the strike is imminent
(reported from the official news agency of NK).

but I see nothing on the NYT website, neither on the Washington Post.

strange...

...

besides, at the moment the website of Above Top secret is offline.

something is in the offing?

There was an April Fool's thing about Korea attack plans for the USA  someone made a tread here.

Yeah ATS is down and so was Chase Bank and ING bank yesterday and today

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4157.msg55293#msg55293

Here it is

North Korea says it will launch nuclear attack on America
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3942.msg55043#msg55043

For those who can understand Italian:

Corea del Nord: «Via libera ad un attacco nucleare contro gli Stati Uniti »

which translates as "North Korea: ok given for a nuclear attack against the United States"

here is the link:

http://www.corriere.it/esteri/13_aprile_03/attacco-nucleare-minaccia-corea-nord-usa_60e39a80-9c98-11e2-aac9-bc82fb60f3c7.shtml (http://www.corriere.it/esteri/13_aprile_03/attacco-nucleare-minaccia-corea-nord-usa_60e39a80-9c98-11e2-aac9-bc82fb60f3c7.shtml)


Corriere della Sera is the most important Italian newspaper.

Zorgon, this is not a joke.

and it is not April 1st here.

more links:

La Repubblica

Corea del Nord, annuncio shock
"Via libera ad attacco nucleare contro Usa"

http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2013/04/03/news/crisi_coree_seul_evoca_possibile_azione_militare-55835038/?ref=HREA-1 (http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2013/04/03/news/crisi_coree_seul_evoca_possibile_azione_militare-55835038/?ref=HREA-1)

Il Fatto Quotidiano

Corea del Nord: "Via libera a un attacco nucleare contro gli Stati Uniti"

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2013/04/03/corea-del-nord-via-libera-a-attacco-nucleare-contro-stati-uniti/550853/ (http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2013/04/03/corea-del-nord-via-libera-a-attacco-nucleare-contro-stati-uniti/550853/)

Corea del Nord: "Via libera all'attacco
nucleare senza pietà contro gli Usa"

La minaccia senza precedenti dell'agenzia di Stato Kcna: "Il momento dell'esplosione si avvicina"

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but nothing on the US msm.
perhaps to avoid scaring the sheeple?

Here is the thing people and some thing a lot of people over look.   The North Koreans have the ability to launch a rocket to orbit.  Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that  rocket doesn't even have to impact  a city to do severe damage.  All one has to do is get it to orbit put it over an area and detonate it in the atmosphere and bye, bye electronics, power grids, all airplanes in the sky,  Nuclear power plants, power stations, cars, Water plants, sewage plants....ect...ect...ect....     Plus if the winds are Just right it would carry the radiation even further. 

Now a few years ago it was postulated that they "might" have up to 4 or 5 nuclear bombs.  Granted they have been hard up for cash one can prob. assume some rogue nation has  one that could afford it.  Perhaps Syria or  even Iran for that matter.  Anyways image it wont take a many strategically placed in the atmosphere across the U.S.A to create  a world of hurt for us and not have one bomb reach the ground.  Think about that.


Edward

Quote from: HeywoodFloyd on April 04, 2013, 12:41:10 AM
Zorgon, this is not a joke.
and it is not April 1st here.
but nothing on the US msm.
perhaps to avoid scaring the sheeple?

Maybe  but MSM always is late on the takeup these days  maybe they need to check with their boss before posting

North Korea gets green light for nuclear attack on US

(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00396/124365378_NKorea_01_396977c.jpg)

QuoteRichard Lloyd Parry Asia Editor
Updated 1 minute ago

North Korea's army said last night that it had received "final approval" from its government to mount a nuclear attack on the United States.

In a statement published by the official KCNA news agency, the General Staff of the Korean People's Army said it was formally informing Washington that US threats would be "smashed by ... cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means".

"The merciless operation of revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified," the statement said.

The announcement came shortly after the Pentagon announced that it was sending an advanced anti-missile defence system to the US base of Guam in the Pacific in the face of mounting threats from Pyongyang's Stalinist regime.

The Deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defence System is the latest step the US has taken to bolster forces in the region. The Pentagon has already sent bombers, Stealth aircraft and ships.

Chuck Hagel, the US Defence Secretary, said that North Korea's posturing presented "a real and clear danger". Mr Hagel added that North Korea's actions were a threat to South Korea, Japan, Guam, Hawaii and the US West Coast.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article3729654.ece

Quote from: HeywoodFloyd on April 04, 2013, 12:41:10 AM
and it is not April 1st here.

http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2013/04/03/news/crisi_coree_seul_evoca_possibile_azione_militare-55835038/?ref=HREA-1 (http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2013/04/03/news/crisi_coree_seul_evoca_possibile_azione_militare-55835038/?ref=HREA-1)

That link is using this photo...

(http://www.repubblica.it/images/2013/04/04/012441787-41e3b07d-5e84-4d99-918e-fff49e0b8023.jpg)

The problem today is that real news gets mixed up with hoax news and you don't know what to trust anymore.

Sure NK would love to nuke us I am sure  and we didn't do so good the last time we were at War with Korea.

What will be a key factor here is where does CHINA and RUSSIA stand on the situation?

Pentagon sends missile defences to Guam as North Korea 'approves nuclear attack on US'

Here you go  Pentagon announcement

QuoteThe Pentagon has announced that it is sending an advanced ballistic missile defence system to Guam, as North Korea ramped up its bellicose rhetoric with the announcement that it has given final approval for a nuclear attack on the US.

The General Staff of the Korean People's Army said it was formally informing Washington that US threats would be "smashed by... cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means".

"The merciless operation of (our) revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified," the statement, carried by the state news agency and reported by South Korean news agency Yonhap, said.

The Korean statement came as US defence secretary Chuck Hagel warned of a "real and clear" danger from North Korea.

"Some of the actions they've taken over the last few weeks, present a real and clear danger," Mr Hagel told an audience at the National Defense University in Washington.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9970346/Pentagon-sends-missile-defences-to-Guam-as-North-Korea-approves-nuclear-attack-on-US.html

China warns tensions must be 'defused' in deepening Korea crisis

QuoteChina has intervened in the deepening Korea crisis by summoning the ambassadors of North and South Korea, as well as the United States, to warn tensions must be defused on the Korean peninsula.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02526/korea_2526583b.jpg)

Quote The abrupt set of exchanges came after Pyongyang shut down the last shared link with the South by refusing entry to almost 500 South Korean workers who work in a cross-border industrial park.

Zhang Yesui, the deputy foreign minister, outlined Beijing's "serious concern about the present situation", and added that it expects the escalation of tension to cease.

"All sides must remain calm and exercise restraint and not take actions which are mutually provocative and must certainly not take actions which will worsen the situation," said the foreign ministry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9968951/China-warns-tensions-must-be-defused-in-deepening-Korea-crisis.html

Here is a direct link to the Military News at the Pentagon

Might pay to keep an eye on it for deployment news

http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/

Just in case you are about to pay for having military exercises on another countries doorstep.  It was nice knowing you. :-\

But most likely a lot of sabre rattling...

Main Stream has it now...

US moving ships, radar systems in response to N. Korean threat

QuoteThe Pentagon confirmed Tuesday that it is positioning an array of military assets near the Korean Peninsula, as the White House stressed that the "entire national security team" is focused on the escalating threats out of Pyongyang -- with the latest being a pledge to restart a key nuclear reactor.

Secretary of State John Kerry, speaking Tuesday at a news conference with the visiting foreign minister of South Korea, said recent belligerent rhetoric from North Korea is "unacceptable" and that the U.S. will defend itself, as well as South Korea and Japan, from any threat from the North.

The amount of hostile language from North Korea in recent weeks was "extraordinary," Kerry said, adding that the isolated state should have no doubt that the U.S. will fulfill its treaty obligations to allies in the region.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said that two destroyer warships, the USS Decatur and USS McCain, have arrived in the region as part of a missile-defense mission. Previously, the Pentagon had only revealed that it had moved the USS McCain to the region.

"They have arrived at predetermined positions in the western Pacific, where they will be poised to respond to any missile threats to our allies or our territory," Little said Tuesday.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/02/us-moving-ships-radar-systems-in-response-to-n-korean-threat/

Hagel calls N. Korea 'real and clear danger,' as US plans defense system in Guam

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Hagel calls N. Korea 'real and clear danger,' as US plans defense system in Guam

Published April 03, 2013

FoxNews.com

        How dangerous is North Korea?
        Bias Bash: Media serious enough on N. Korea threat...

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Wednesday that North Korea's rising threats pose a "real and clear danger," as the Pentagon continued to take precautions with a plan to deploy a missile-defense system to Guam.

A senior U.S. official confirmed to Fox News that the military will deploy an Army system shown as a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense battery to Guam. The system is capable of shooting down short-, medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles.

This follows the positioning of two U.S. destroyer ships in the region, along with plans to have two sea-based radar systems in the western Pacific.

At the same time, North Korea seemed to ramp up its rhetoric even further Wednesday, warning that it's military had been cleared to attack the U.S. with "smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear" weapons. The National Security Council responded by saying such "unhelpful and unconstructive threats ... only serve to further isolate North Korea."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/03/hagel-calls-n-korea-real-and-clear-danger-as-us-plans-defense-system-in-guam/?intcmp=trending

Take the POLL at the top :D

Quote from: Edward on April 04, 2013, 12:58:09 AM
Here is the thing people and some thing a lot of people over look.   The North Koreans have the ability to launch a rocket to orbit.  Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that  rocket doesn't even have to impact  a city to do severe damage.  All one has to do is get it to orbit put it over an area and detonate it in the atmosphere and bye, bye electronics, power grids, all airplanes in the sky,  Nuclear power plants, power stations, cars, Water plants, sewage plants....ect...ect...ect....     Plus if the winds are Just right it would carry the radiation even further. 

Now a few years ago it was postulated that they "might" have up to 4 or 5 nuclear bombs.  Granted they have been hard up for cash one can prob. assume some rogue nation has  one that could afford it.  Perhaps Syria or  even Iran for that matter.  Anyways image it wont take a many strategically placed in the atmosphere across the U.S.A to create  a world of hurt for us and not have one bomb reach the ground.  Think about that.


Edward

The poll is limited and I don't find myself necessarily agreeing with any of the options, so I will abstain.

Although I will say what I posted above is definitely in the realm of possibilities and not one tank or person or rocket would have to cross the DMZ.

Edward

Pentagon spokesman George Little said that two destroyer warships, the USS Decatur and USS McCain, have arrived in the region as part of a missile-defense mission. Previously, the Pentagon had only revealed that it had moved the USS McCain to the region.


Okay so those two ships are ballisitic Missile Defense Ships capable of shooting down the missiles on the launch pad. Seems the worry is the mobile launcher that China sold North Korea. Apparently there are satellite pictures of that launcher moving across China to Korea

USS John S. McCain (DDG-56)

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030126-N-1810F-002 At sea aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) Jan. 26, 2003 -- The guided missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) approaches the Kitty Hawk during a replenishment at sea (RAS). An RAS is the method by which ammunition fuel is transferred from one ship to another while at sea. The technique enables a fleet or naval formation to remain at sea for prolonged periods of time. Kitty Hawk is the Navy's only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier and operates out of Yokosuka, Japan. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 3rd Class Todd Frantom. (RELEASED)

In April 2013, the USS McCain was sent to Korea during escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula.

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The deployment is already in Wikipedia   :o

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/US_Navy_040206-N-2970T-001_Guided_missile_destroyer_USS_John_S._McCain_%28DDG_56%29_fires_a_RIM-66_standard_surface-to-air_missile_during_a_training_exercise.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_S._McCain_%28DDG-56%29

USS Decatur (DDG-73)

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040309-N-7949W-002 w:Coronado, California (9 March 2004) – The guided missile destroyer w:USS Decatur (DDG-73) makes it's way into w:San Diego Harbor, returning home with the w:USS Peleliu (LHA-5) part of Expeditionary Strike Group One (ESG). ESG-1 deployed for six and a half months conducting missions in support of Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Daniel N. Woods. (RELEASED)

Quote2013

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013, the USS Decatur was sent to the Western Pacific near the Korean Peninsula, to join another destroyer, the USS McCain, in response to growing threats and an increase in belligerent statements and actions by North Korea's leadership, which were made following the beginning of a joint U.S.-South Korean military drill operation and also as a result of new sanctions which were issued after it launched a rocket and then tested a nuclear bomb underground. Among these new threats were: the planned re-activation of the Yongbyon nuclear reactor, the closure of the Kaesong industrial plant along the border, a declaration that the armistice that ended the 1950s Korean War was invalid, the disconnecting of an emergency hotline to the South's leadership- perhaps the last direct communications link to the South, and putting missile batteries on standby mode to potentially strike South Korea and/or U.S. bases in Okinawa, Japan and the Pacific). A third warship, the USS Fitzgerald, is also available, if need be, and radar is being deployed to the area. As a show of force and as part of the drills, the U.S. has sent bombers and other aircraft (including the B-2 stealth bomber, capable of carrying conventional or nuclear weapons), to the region, and both South Korea and the U.S. have pledged to vigorously defend themselves

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Decatur_%28DDG-73%29

Quote from: Edward on April 04, 2013, 02:14:40 AM
Although I will say what I posted above is definitely in the realm of possibilities and not one tank or person or rocket would have to cross the DMZ.

I am confident that China, though they support NK, would not be too happy with any nukes exploded in the jet stream

Besides our space defenses are very real... let's just hope they don't have to prove my research right ;)

But I wonder how all these mad military uniformed children rattling sabers is going to effect Amateratsu's tipping point  :o  They look so silly with those big hats and so many war decorations on their chest... Most of those guys are not old enough to have earned that many ribbons... not real ones anyway :P

Quote from: zorgon on April 04, 2013, 02:22:24 AM
I am confident that China, though they support NK, would not be too happy with any nukes exploded in the jet stream

Besides our space defenses are very real... let's just hope they don't have to prove my research right ;)

Maybe we'll get a chance to see our "secret space fleet" in action if all forms of missle to missle defense fails and our star war defense sat network fails too eh?   ;)


Edward

The first two ICBM's launched by NK were shot down... The first one was a clear report that made the news but has since vanished... at least I cannot find it now... the second recent one blew up seconds after launch from what looked like an over heated fuel tank, which is precisely how beam weapons from space would do it.

So it is 'highly likely' that we did zap them  and just what has that Secret Space plane been doing up their on three missions?

it appears the chinese are concerned enough to notice the sand kicking on the playground; also appears Ivan is strangely silent...

perhaps the NK military will take matters into their own hands, maybe something along the same route the french took in 1792...

history does tend to repeat itself  8)


seeker

It has been my experience that NK does this saber bluster from time to time to get the attention it desperately craves. The CommieChinese will not let it get too crazy because of the world economy, which they have taken a large role in.


Rock

After being made aware of various serious potential threats in the last year or two & seeing few of them so far actually arise or occur, sometimes I ( maybe we) become immune and start to not take them as serious as they could be. Or it may seem like a series of false flags or scare tactics..

But no doubt this N. Korea Nuke threat should be seen as possibly one of the worst yet and it has come about rather quickly ,even though its been in the background for some time.

If they did attempt to Fire them at the USA...They would appear to seriously asking to be flattened and be potentially be removed from the face of the planet...

The so called leaders who we would think are highly aware of such consequences..you would think that they would surely know the odds are against them ...even though they would cause a lot of destruction they would be playing Russian Roulette & suicide. I would have thought that they would have been aware if the USA had "Star wars "weapons.

Alex Jones suggested in the past that many of the World leaders are put in place by the Globalists elites (or N.W.O) and that much of the conflicts created are done deliberately to create Wars for their financial gain...

But I am not sure if this may include North Korea..

If so and Star Wars was involved in stopping this incident..

No doubt one wonders what may have really been going on or what could be soon to happen if the Globalists are involved.

I wonder if anything like this has happened before ... ie using Star Wars to prevent a Nuke attack !

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QuoteThe first two ICBM's launched by NK were shot down... The first one was a clear report that made the news but has since vanished... at least I cannot find it now... the second recent one blew up seconds after launch from what looked like an over heated fuel tank, which is precisely how beam weapons from space would do it.

So it is 'highly likely' that we did zap them  and just what has that Secret Space plane been doing up their on three missions?

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 04, 2013, 03:07:18 AM
It has been my experience that NK does this saber bluster from time to time to get the attention it desperately craves. The CommieChinese will not let it get too crazy because of the world economy, which they have taken a large role in.
Rock

Kinda what I figured  especially since we found out McDonald's owns China :P

Quote from: zorgon on April 04, 2013, 03:21:55 AM
Kinda what I figured  especially since we found out McDonald's owns China :P

McDOnald's? I thought it was Wal-mart...


seeker

After Kim Sr. went away, I was having high hopes of the whole NK affiliation with their views of the Western world would be replaced with open arm realization once Kim Jr. was in his throne. Apparently that didn't happen, same old same old, as if Kim Sr. was still there recanting how he would sacrifice his people, land/Country to annihilate the USA rhetorical crap.

I am sure it is the sabre rattling Sgt has presented, for it has been the open chess pounding they have always done, but with the status quot being there are possibilities, Kim Jr. may very well find out how serious his accusations can be taken, And the Ch1n4 association, well, what can I say, once again, same old, same old, as far as intentions and results.

Oliver Twist:
"More, Please sir ?"

Still don't like Psychopaths making idol threats.  ???

1WW

Hey I know!!!!  Just tell Kim Jong NO MORE McDONALD"S if he doesn't stop messing around


North Korea's Ruling Elites Feast On McDonald's Burgers Flown In From China

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QuoteNorth Korean dictator Kim Jong Il is flagrantly violating the terms of an embargo that bars imports of luxury goods by buying Rolex watches, Hennessy Cognac and other fancy items for the country's ruling elites, according to Malaysian news agency Bernama (via Luxury Society).

A South Korean official told the national news agency that Kim had skirted the long-standing embargo by showering his top-ranking officials with brands like Armani and Gucci, as well as gifts like watches, liquor and cigarettes.

Some elites even feasted on McDonald's hamburgers delivered from China via Air Koryo, North Korea's flagship airline, the official said, according to Bernama.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-20/lifestyle/29965616_1_bars-imports-embargo-south-korea-and-china

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Rolex watches, Hennessy Cognac and McDONALD"S???  We don't have a thing to worry about . Remember Saddam and those WMD's?  Seems he too was more into the Playboy life style and hoarding US greenbacks than making war

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Just send Micheal Jordon over with some Johnny Walker and things will be fine. :D

Quote from: the seeker on April 04, 2013, 03:30:41 AM
McDOnald's? I thought it was Wal-mart...

Definitely McDonald's  ;D

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2542.msg55182#msg55182

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The Chinese will not allow any nukes being launched! Period! They will allow conventional weapons which they, the North, have in abundance plus a million man army. A conventional war is more of a possiblity than anything else. From time to time NK's leaders have to show strength to stay in power. Plus they test the West's resolve and monitor tactics and resources. It's a game.


Rock

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 04, 2013, 03:53:47 AM
It's a game.
Rock

Yes but now we have pimple faced geeky kids at Creech Drone Control playing with Joy Sticks and a whole lot of Drones...

Just like a video game :D

Maybe we can hack in and play too? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAcEzhQ7oqA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDGju21LPUs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

Well, I suppose one gauge of how worried we should be is..........how worried does our commander in chief appear to be???

For the answer to that question, maybe it only requires that we look at what he is busy doing ~ ~ ~ from what I see and hear, he continues to spend most all of his time traveling around the country talking about that extrrrrrreeeeeemmmmmmmly important subject of increased government control of guns and gun magazines.

Nuff said??  :o :o :o

You must have been reading my thoughts...

same thing popped into my mind minutes before I read your reply   ???

So far even Alex Jones has said little to suggest its a major threat...

QuoteWell, I suppose one gauge of how worried we should be is..........how worried does our commander in chief appear to be???

Zorgon, that's the problem now a days. People actually believe Hollywood take on things. I'd be more concerned with Syrian rebels with access to high powered 50 cal sniper rifles that can kill US personnel from two miles out than drones.

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 04, 2013, 04:21:48 AM
I'd be more concerned with Syrian rebels with access to high powered 50 cal sniper rifles that can kill US personnel from two miles out than drones.

Hmmmm ... you know something we don't? :P

Well yeah Hollywood is where we get all our real news :P Look at the Stargate expose for example :D  I mean that show has 4 official military agencies backing it and on top of that both the Marines and AF are running ads on my Stargate pages :P

So why wouldn't we listen? 

Disney worked with Werner von Braun to cover up work on the Moon Base in the 50's :P  Worked pretty good :D

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 04, 2013, 04:21:48 AM
Syrian rebels with access to high powered 50 cal sniper rifles...

Oh okay... these guys...




But the cops can't have then   :o

Serbu Firearms Refuses to Sell .50 Cal Sniper Rifles to NYPD (http://www.infowars.com/serbu-firearms-refuses-to-sell-50-cal-sniper-rifles-to-nypd/)

Sorry didn't see your post above!

Quote from: zorgon on April 04, 2013, 05:07:47 AM
Hmmmm ... you know something we don't? :P

Well yeah Hollywood is where we get all our real news :P Look at the Stargate expose for example :D  I mean that show has 4 official military agencies backing it and on top of that both the Marines and AF are running ads on my Stargate pages :P

So why wouldn't we listen? 

Disney worked with Werner von Braun to cover up work on the Moon Base in the 50's :P  Worked pretty good :D

New video shows Syrian rebels using US SEALs' sniper rifle

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/new-video-shows-syrian-rebels-using-us-seals-sniper-rifle_839698.html

the problem with Hollywood crap is most people can't tell the difference between fact or fiction. ::)

Rock 8)

un tells rodman to tell obama .call me.
obama places concentration of ships in va harbor.
then abc accidentally shows on the 14th of last month a fake clip of their top anchor saying two missiles launched from nk.
then pbs airs how to make all the top nukes including the czar bomb .
then laat night abc says their missiles cant reach us but says nothing about their subs missiles reaching us.
a month ago.new sec of defense said he wanted to draft women.
the usa gov has been screwin with nk for years.
i wish nk would nuke dc.it would easily be the best thing to happen to this country.then we elect un pres and smoke some hash like rodmans gang did with un.

North Korean Nukes: How Worried Should We Be, and What Is Kim Jong Un Thinking? (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-03/north-korean-nukes-how-worried-should-we-be-and-what-is-kim-jong-un-thinking)

3 April 2013

On Tuesday, North Korea announced it would be restarting its shuttered Yongbyon nuclear reactor and nuclear weapons program—prompting United Nations head Ban Ki-moon to tell reporters yesterday that the North Korea "crisis has gone too far"...




Musudan-class missiles, pictured at a military parade in honour of the late North Korean leader Kim Il-Sung's 100th birthday, appear to have been moved to its east coast, the South's Yonhap news agency reported. (AFP PHOTO / Ed Jones)


NUCLEAR ATTACK 'APPROVED'

North Korea says it has approved a nuclear attack on the United States in its latest threat as US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel warned Pyongyang to back down. US Secretary of State John Kerry will travel to Seoul next week.

North Korea's supreme military command said in a statement this morning that The White House and Pentagon had been notified that "reckless operations'' using nuclear weapons had been approved,

"The moment of explosion is approaching fast,'' the North Korean military said, warning that war could break out "today or tomorrow''.

The General Staff of the Korean People's Army said it was formally informing Washington that US threats would be "smashed by... cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means".

It would launch "merciless" military strikes on the United States, involving the possible use of "cutting-edge" nuclear weapons.

"The merciless operation of (our) revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified...




Pentagon deploys THAAD on Guam against N. Korea (http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2013/04/04/39/0200000000AEN20130404000300315F.HTML)

2013/04/04 03:38 KST


WASHINGTON, April 3 (Yonhap) -- The Pentagon announced plans Wednesday to send an advanced ballistic missile defense system in a measure to bolster its regional defense posture against North Korea's missile threats.

The Pentagon said a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System (THAAD) Ballistic Missile Defense system will be deployed in Guam in the coming weeks.



Terminal High Altitude Area Defense
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense)

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), formerly Theater High Altitude Area Defense, is a United States Army system to shoot down short, medium, and intermediate ballistic missiles in their terminal phase using a hit-to-kill approach. The missile carries no warhead but relies on the kinetic energy of the impact. THAAD was designed to hit Scuds and similar weapons, but a limited capability against ICBMs was demonstrated on 24 October 2012.

The THAAD system is being designed, built, and integrated by Lockheed Martin Space Systems acting as prime contractor. Key subcontractors include Raytheon, Boeing, Aerojet, Rocketdyne, Honeywell, BAE Systems, MiltonCAT, and the Oliver Capital Consortium. One THAAD system costs USD $800 million.[2]

Although originally a U.S. Army program, THAAD has come under the umbrella of the Missile Defense Agency. The Navy has a similar program, the sea-based Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System. THAAD was originally scheduled for deployment in 2012, but initial deployment took place May 2008.[3][4]






Defense chief says North's missile movement not aimed at U.S. mainland (http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2013/04/04/0200000000AEN20130404009200315.HTML)

2013/04/04 16:01 KST

By Kim Eun-jung

SEOUL, April 4 (Yonhap) -- South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said Thursday that North Korea has moved an intermediate-range missile to its east coast for an imminent test firing or military drill, but it does not seem to be aimed at striking the U.S. mainland.

In a parliamentary defense committee meeting, Kim refuted media reports that Pyongyang has moved a KN-08 missile, which is believed to have a range of 10,000 kilometers, into position to strike the U.S.





The US had taken measured, reasonable steps in response to North Korea's recent moves, he said, noting the danger of being wrong about the seriousness of the threats.

"It only takes being wrong once, and I don't want to be the secretary of defence who was wrong once,'' Hagel said.

"They have nuclear capacity now, they have missile delivery capacity now," Hagel said, calling Pyongyang's "bellicose dangerous rhetoric" problematic.

"We are doing everything we can, working with the Chinese and others to defuse that situation on the peninsula.

"I hope the North will ratchet its very dangerous rhetoric down."



And what a coincidence:   :P





Two North Korean Submarines "Disappeared" | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/two-north-korean-submarines-disappeared)


Chosun TV is reporting that South Korean military have lost contact with two North Korean submarines that left their naval base in Hwanghae Province a few days ago.

There has obviously been a lot of changes between last week and now and South Korean military officials suggested that while maneuvers in February were nothing meaningful, now it is provocation.

The two 'torpedo' subs are small 130-ton, 30-meter, 10-man machines that can stay submerged for three-to-four days.

Buy your own yellow submarine (http://www.govliquidation.com/press/releases/2.html)

You forgot to add a Burger King crown :P

North Korea Uriminzokkiri hacked 04 04 2013 | GlobalPost (http://www.globalpost.com/photo/5801572/clone-anon-korea-04-02-2013)

Pro-North Korea website Uriminzokkiri.com (http://www.uriminzokkiri.com/) has been hijacked by hackers who accuse Kim Jong Un of "threatening world peace."

Uriminzokkiri's main site was offline Thursday morning, while its Twitter feed, Flickr stream and a number of companion websites had their content replaced with anti-North Korea messages.

Notably the hackers posted a cartoon wanted poster of Kim Jong Un – "aka Nuke Nuke Mickey Lover" – with a list of his alleged crimes, including "threatening world peace with ICBMs and nuclear weapons," "wasting money while his people starve to death," and "concentration camps and the worst human rights violation in the world."

North Korea's supreme leader was drawn as a pig, with a huge tattoo of Mickey Mouse. Other images showed the Anonymous hacker collective's iconic Guy Fawkes mask covering the North Korean flag.

More from GlobalPost: Anonymous Korea launches attacks against North Korean sites
Meanwhile Uriminzokkiri's official Twitter account picture had been changed to show two mask-wearing dancers, alongside the legend "Tango Down" and links to hacked companion sites.


Anonymous Hacks North Korea, Turns Kim Jong-Into a Pig (http://gossipy.co/tag/nuke-nuke-mickey-lover)




ACTIVIST hackers appear to have infiltrated North Korea's official news website and its accompanying Twitter and Flickr feeds, posting unflattering images of leader Kim Jong-Un.

The China-based website of Uriminzokkiri, which distributes news and propaganda from the North's state media, was inaccessible and its companion feeds attacked and defaced.

On Twitter, the Uriminzokkiri account's profile photo was changed to one of a couple dancing the Tango, and a series of tweets read "Hacked" and "Tango Down".




The website's Flickr page showed a number of images, including one which simply read "We Are Anonymous" and a mock-up "Wanted" poster featuring Kim with a pig's nose and ears and a Mickey Mouse tattoo on his chest. The poster claimed the UN had offered a $1 million reward for Kim's capture due to his "threatening world peace" and wasting money while people starve to death".

Uriminzokkiri is best known for posting propaganda videos excoriating the United States and including images like the White House framed in the crosshairs of a sniper's rifle sight.

The attack came amid soaring military tensions on the Korean peninsula with Pyongyang, Seoul and Washington engaged in a bout of high-stakes brinkmanship.


More detail of the Anonymous "Wanted" poster.

It also followed a major cyber attack that crashed the computer networks at South Korean TV broadcasters and banks last month and was widely blamed on North Korean hackers.


Previously, the Anonymous hacker group claims to have hacked North Korea, getting their hands on more than 15,000 passwords belonging to users of Uriminzokkiri.com, one of North Korea's primary sites on the Internet. They released six sample user records and boldly demanded that Kim Jong-Un resign and installs free democracy in North Korea.

The newest phase in Anonymous' plans for Operation Free Korea began with transforming Kim Jong-Un into a pig. They created a $1 million wanted sign graphic that calls Kim Jong-Un "Nuke Nuke Mickey Lover" and lists his crimes as "Threatening world peace with ICBMs and nuclear weapons, wasting money while his people starve to death, [and] concentration camps and the worst human rights violations in the world."

Further, Anonymous claims "the United Nations officially sanctioned North Korea through the ICC due to its severe violation of human rights, including concentration camps and torture."

Anonymous hacking North Korea in this manner is supposed just the beginning. Anonymous says, "We got all over 15k membership records of Uriminzokkiri.com and many more. First we gonna wipe your data, then we gonna wipe your badass dictatorship' government."

Anonymous desires to hack the North Korea intranet (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/04/sorry-anonymous-probably-didnt-hack-north-koreas-intranet/) (as in, internal network) but experts question whether that's even possible since the North Korea intranet is not even connected to the world at large through the internet.

As such, these hacks by Anonymous are symbolic at best because most North Koreans do not have access to the internet and will never see these images.

more (http://gossipy.co/tag/nuke-nuke-mickey-lover)





North Korea Passwords Stolen By Anonymous Hackers For #OpFreeKorea | Gossipy (http://gossipy.co/north-korea-passwords-stolen-by-anonymous-hackers-for-opfreekorea)

In North Korea 15,000 passwords were stolen by Anonymous hackers as part of the #OpFreeKorea campaign.

As previously reported by The Inquisitr, North Korea declared a state of war against South Korea last week. North Korea's official statement also promised nuclear war against the United States.

Today, the announcement of increasing the North Korea nuclear weapons stockpile coincided with news of the North Korea nuclear reactor being restarted in Yongbyon, which would allow the Kim Jong-Un regime to continue making plutonium.

F-22 Raptor stealth fighter jets were sent to South Korea as part of ongoing military exercises with South Korea that occur every year. These F-22 stealth fighters in Korea would join the B-52 bombers and B-2 stealth bombers that were already sent to South Korea. The USS Fitzgerald, a destroyer capable of intercepting missiles, was also originally thought to be deployed up the coast line of North Korea, but it turns out the radar-equipped destroyer USS John S. McCain will be going instead.

The Anonymous hacker group claims to have hacked North Korea, getting their hands on more than 15,000 passwords belonging to users of Uriminzokkiri.com, one of North Korea's primary sites on the Internet. They released six sample user records and boldly demanded that Kim Jong-Un resign and installs free democracy in North Korea.

In addition, Anonymous demands North Korea stop seeking nuclear weapons and provide internet access to its citizens, saying, "First we gonna wipe your data, then we gonna wipe your badass dictatorship 'government'."

Anonymous claims to have access to the country's local intranets, mail servers and web servers. Anonymous hackers claimed to have taken five of the country's websites offline over the weekend. The next activity for the Anonymous #OpFreeKorea campaign is slated as happening on April 19.


What's up with this?   :P


Evacuation plans for 7000 Australians living in South Korea as North prepares for nuclear strike against US | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/evacuation-plans-for-7000-australians-living-in-south-korea/story-fncynkc6-1226612720574)

Ian McPhedran, Defence Writer
News Limited Network

April 05, 2013  -  12:00AM

AUSTRALIAN Defence officials are working on plans to evacuate thousands of Australians from South Korea, as Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Foreign Minister Bob Carr head to China tomorrow to urge Beijing to take stronger action against its close and unstable ally North Korea.

The measures were revealed today after North Korea, the rogue Communist nation, sent alarm across the region by announcing it was ready to launch a nuclear strike at the US.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on April 04, 2013, 10:18:34 PM
As such, these hacks by Anonymous are symbolic at best because most North Koreans do not have access to the internet and will never see these images.

So in effect that means all Anonymous can do is make us laugh or piss us off when they hack our bank accounts to show us struggling folks a ZERO balance on our minmal bank accounts and make us late on making payments..

Hmmmm seems that white mask is just another form of sheep :P

Too bad they can't do some REAL good and hack into North Korea's banks and other websites and create chaos :D  Then they might get some better publicity

Quote from: zorgon on April 04, 2013, 01:19:39 AM
Here is a direct link to the Military News at the Pentagon

Might pay to keep an eye on it for deployment news

http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/

Hey... I get this channel from my cable company. part of my upgrade to an HD converter box  and a flat screen TV. 8)

I wonder if we can get John's take on this topic , he hasn't posted here in a while.

Quote from: zorgon on April 04, 2013, 10:52:14 PM
...when they hack our bank accounts to show us struggling folks a ZERO balance on our minmal bank accounts and make us late on making payments...

Greetings:

Of course, one would not make such an accusation without empirical proof to back up such a claim that Anonymous targets 'struggling folks', as that is not the intention...see below.

And what makes you think that Anonymous has anything to do with ZERO bank account balances - it happens all the time (http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1-15%20April%202013/anonFreeSpeechMotherfooker.png) - just ask us... :o   :P



Anonymous - the story behind the mask (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnbUsxtno50)


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N. Korean Satellite Flies Over America Over And Over And Over Again In The Next 5 Days

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/04/n-korean-satellite-flies-over-america-over-and-over-and-over-again-in-the-next-5-days-2457512.html

The North Korean satellite launched into space back in December of 2012 that is said to be for weather forecast purposes but is being widely portrayed in the West as a veiled ballistic missile test passes over the East Coast of America and as far west as just west of the New Madrid fault line over and over and over again in the next several days.

(http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/17/80/30/86/nks110.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=91&u=17803086)


http://www.n2yo.com/passes/?s=39026

Now he is pulling his 50,000 workers out of the factories. Hum! We will know for sure on Tuesday.

North Korea: experts call for dialogue – and say China must play a part (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/07/north-korea-dialogue-china)

7 April 2013 14.57 EDT

This 2.5-mile-wide strip of land is all that stands between about 1 million heavily armed troops ranged either side of the border between North and South Korea.



The atmosphere inside the demilitarised zone (DMZ), established after the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a ceasefire, mirrors the current state of cross-border relations: prolonged tension, occasional flare-ups, and a return to the status quo.

That precarious arrangement has prevented the two Koreas from going to war again, but it has failed to bring a real and lasting peace, say experts who believe the time has come for the US and its allies to consider a new approach to North Korea unthinkable just a week ago. more (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/07/north-korea-dialogue-china)





An unarmed Minuteman 3 intercontinental ballistic missile leaves a contrail through the sky in California. The test has been rescheduled for next month. (Photo: Greg Vojtko/AP)


US seeks to ease tensions with North Korea by postponing missile test (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/07/us-northkorea-postponing-missile-test)
7 April 2013

The US has attempted to ease rising tensions with North Korea by postponing a missile test scheduled to take place in California next week, lest this be interpreted by Pyongyang as deliberately provocative.

The US defence secretary, Chuck Hagel, decided to delay the long-planned test launch of a Minuteman 3 intercontinental missile from an airbase until next month over concerns it could exacerbate the crisis, officials briefed reporters anonymously.

"This is the logical, prudent and responsible course of action to take,"

a senior defence official was quoted as saying by Reuters.

The test had no connection to North Korea and could be rescheduled for next month, the official said, maintaining that the US remained prepared to respond to any North Korean threat.

Recent days have seen a rapid escalation of Pyongyang's sabre-rattling against the US and its allies in the region, notably South Korea, something described by analysts as a possible attempt by the North's young and untested leader, Kim Jong-un, to shore up his internal power base.

Along with threats of war, including the use of nuclear weapons, this has involved North Korea reportedly moving medium-range missiles to positions where they could potentially strike South Korea, Japan and US bases in the Pacific. more (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/07/us-northkorea-postponing-missile-test)

A merry-go-round of idiots ruining the planet and getting us into corporate wars. We no longer need "leaders" making decisions "on our behalf," and I move that we permanently adjourn all governments around the globe. We'll sent the bastards home and take charge of our own lives from now on. Those in favor...? Say AYE. Those opposed--YOU ARE AS BAD AS THE PROBLEM ITSELF! Those in favor of governments ruling over us are dismissed (and thanks for playing). This goes for North Korea as well...GROW UP!

Peace and Love,
JD

Thanks for the Update TFW!!

As I read the provided articles, it becomes quite apparent that the Global Governments as a whole are taking his accusations quite literally, and there by doing nothing really. I am glad they delayed the test of the ICBM too avoid the issues that could possibly institute a response from NK, but for the most part, I can see only 'ONE' real way to get these events out of the way for either current state of affairs or future "Sabre Rattling" as Sgt. had put it. And we all can probably figure out what I am pertaining by the 'ONE' way. ;)

This is all too hairy of a situation to just sit idly by and ignore, even if the Commander and Chief is doing his own thing, the shadows are dark in those corners too allow for any real visuals of what lays in the shades of Black.

In retrospect, if we take a quick glance at the past decade of time, there has been many a Tyrant that has fallen. Just saying.  :-X

1WW

North Korea Nukes America - Dream Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axBFi9l2C8E&feature=player_embedded#!)

Published on Feb 5, 2013

North Korea dreaming of domination over America,
whilst using American produced background music -
Michael Jackson's, We are the World.

Produced by North Korea's official website, Uriminzokkiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriminzokkiri),
the video doesn't actually show North Korea nuking America,
it implies America nukes themselves.

Prior to this, large crowds of Koreans are joyous at the re-unification of their two countries.

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3473/northkoreanmissilelaunct.gif)

Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 09, 2013, 12:27:50 AM
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3473/northkoreanmissilelaunct.gif)

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!! man did I need that my friend, Hillarious!! If the NK's seen this, they would be at war right now...Ha ha ha ha!!! Too Funny Ellirium....
;)

1WW

Steven Starr, PSR, University of Missouri

Abstract

A tiny fraction of the operational nuclear arsenals, if detonated within large cities, would generate enough smoke to cause catastrophic disruptions of the global climate and massive destruction of the protective stratospheric ozone layer.

Environmental devastation caused by a war fought with many thousands of strategic nuclear weapons would quickly leave the Earth uninhabitable.


Deadly Climate Change and Massive Ozone Destruction from Nuclear War

Nuclear detonations within urban and industrial areas would ignite immense firestorms which would burn everything imaginable and create millions of tons of thick, black smoke. Much of this smoke would rapidly be lofted above cloud level, into the stratosphere, where it would block warming sunlight from reaching the lower atmosphere and surface of the Earth.

Sunlight would then markedly heat the upper atmosphere and cause massive destruction of the protective ozone layer, while darkness below would produce average surface temperatures on Earth characteristic of those experienced during an Ice Age.

The darkness and global cooling predicted to result from nuclear war (along with massive radioactive fallout, pyrotoxins, and ozone depletion) was first described in 1983 as "nuclear winter".






These initial studies estimated the smoke from nuclear firestorms would stay in the stratosphere for about a year. However in 2006, researchers using modern computer models found

the smoke would form a global stratospheric smoke layer that would last for ten years.

The longevity of such a smoke layer would allow much smaller quantities of smoke than first predicted in the 1980's to have a great impact upon both global climate and atmospheric ozone which blocks ultraviolet (UV) light.

Thus scientists predict that even a "regional" nuclear conflict could produce enough smoke to significantly cool average global surface temperatures, reduce precipitation, and vastly increase the amount of dangerous UV light reaching the surface of Earth.

In other words, a nuclear war fought between such nations as India and Pakistan would produce enough smoke to make the blue skies of Earth appear grey.

Although the amount of sunlight blocked by this smoke would not produce the profound darkening of the Earth predicted in a nuclear winter (following a nuclear war fought with thousands of strategic nuclear weapons),

the deadly climate change created by the regional conflict would likely have devastating global effects upon all human populations through its negative influence upon agriculture.






Nuclear War Fought with Hiroshima-size (15 kiloton) Low-Yield Nuclear Weapons

In 2006, U.S. researchers used a NASA computer model (Model 1E, also used for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to predict global warming) to evaluate the effects of a regional nuclear war fought in the sub-tropics. 50 Hiroshima-size nuclear weapons (15 kilotons per weapon) were detonated in the largest cities of each combatant nation (100 total detonations).

The studies predicted the nuclear explosions would kill 20 million people in the war zone, the equivalent to half of all the people who died during World War II. The conflict would also significantly disrupt global climate. Up to 5 million tons of smoke from burning cities would quickly rise above cloud level into the stratosphere, and within 2 weeks would form a global stratospheric smoke layer which would remain in place for about 10 years. 



'Regional' Nuclear War Would Cause Worldwide Destruction (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/regional-nuclea/)



The computer models estimated this smoke layer would block 7–10% of warming sunlight from reaching the surface of the Earth. Average surface temperatures beneath the smoke would become colder than any experienced during the last 1000 years. There would be a corresponding shortening of growing seasons by up to 30 days and significant reductions in average rainfall in many areas, with a 40% decrease of precipitation in the Asian monsoon region.

Such rapid and drastic climate change would have major impacts on global grain reserves, which already are at 50 year lows. Grain exports would likely cease for several years from large exporting nations like Canada.

The 700 million people now living on the edge of starvation, along with those populations heavily dependent upon grain imports, would face mass starvation as grain reserves disappeared, prices skyrocketed and hoarding occurred.

Global nuclear famine is the predicted result of this scenario. As many as one billion people could die during the years subsequent to the deadly climate change created by this level of nuclear conflict.

Massive increases of UV-B light would clearly have negative impacts upon marine and terrestrial ecosystems, yet no research is being done to investigate the consequences of such a scenario. Likewise, no studies using modern climate models have yet been done to assess ozone depletion following larger nuclear conflicts fought with high-yield strategic nuclear weapons.   






Nuclear War Fought with High-Yield Strategic Nuclear Weapons

The high-yield strategic nuclear weapons in the operational arsenals of the U.S. and Russia have a combined explosive power at least 500 times greater than the low-yield weapons detonated in the regional war conflict. A large fraction of these strategic weapons are kept on high-alert status (in 2009, more than 2000 U.S. and Russian strategic warheads were on high-alert). Virtually all
their land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles are kept ready to launch within 30 seconds to 3 minutes, apparently operating under the policy of Launch-On-Warning.

In 2008, scientists predicted the detonation of 4400 strategic nuclear weapons in large cities could cause 770 million prompt fatalities and produce up to 180 million tons of thick, black smoke.

Ten days after detonation, the smoke would form a dense global stratospheric smoke layer which would block about 70% of warming sunlight from reaching the surface of the Northern Hemisphere and 35% of sunlight from reaching the Southern Hemisphere.

The resulting nuclear darkness would cause rapid cooling of more than 20º C (36º F) over large areas of North America and of more than 30º C (54º F) over much of Eurasia (Figure 2). Daily minimum temperatures would fall below freezing in the largest agricultural areas of the Northern Hemisphere for a period of between one to three years. Average global surface temperatures would become colder than those experienced 18,000 years ago at the height of the last Ice Age.

The cooling of the Earth's surface would weaken the global hydrological cycle and the Northern Hemisphere summer monsoon circulations would collapse because the temperature differences
that drive them would not develop. As a result, average global precipitation is predicted to decrease by 45%.   

The cumulative effects of deadly climate change and ozone destruction would eliminate growing seasons for more than a decade. Catastrophic climatic effects lasting for many years would occur in regions far removed from the target areas or the countries involved in the conflict.

Under such conditions, it is likely that most humans and large animal populations would die of starvation.





Conclusions

The scientific studies summarized in this paper make it clear that the environmental consequences of a "regional" nuclear conflict could kill hundreds of millions of people far from the war zone. Deadly climate change caused by a war fought with the strategic nuclear arsenals of the U.S. and Russia would threaten the continued survival of the human species.
 
Yet neither the U.S., nor Russia, nor any other nuclear weapons state has ever officially evaluated what effects a war fought with their nuclear arsenals would have upon the Earth's climate and ecosystems.

Surely it is time for such evaluations to be openly conducted and made subject to public discussion. Nations with nuclear weapons should be required to create Environmental Impact Statements on the likely results of the detonation of their arsenals in conflict.
 
Deadly climate change from nuclear war must become a primary topic in the debate about the need for "a world without nuclear weapons". This discussion must include the dangers posed by the nuclear arsenals of all nations, including those in the U.S. and Russia.

A failure to recognize and describe the omnicidal potential of strategic nuclear arsenals will prevent the abolition discussion from developing the sense of urgency needed to bring about fundamental change in the nuclear status quo.

The nuclear weapons which are kept ready for virtually instant use constitute a well-maintained self-destruct mechanism for the human race. What political or national goals can possibly justify the existence of such a threat?

There can be no "victory" in universal suicide.

Therefore, the U.S. and Russia must recognize the senselessness of continued preparations for a nuclear war, or a "successful" nuclear first-strike, which would make the whole world – including their own country – uninhabitable.

It is imperative that they renounce the first use of nuclear weapons, stand-down their high-alert nuclear forces (which make accidental nuclear war possible through launch-on-warning postures), and dismantle the tens of thousands of nuclear weapons in their active and reserve arsenals.

 
Nuclear weapons cannot ultimately provide "national security" when a single failure of nuclear deterrence can end human history.

Unless deterrence works perfectly forever, nuclear arsenals will eventually be used in conflict. 

We must abolish these arsenals – before they abolish us. 

TFW, I want to personally thank you for the time and effort apparent with in the "Cause and Effects" should a Nuclear War breakout for understanding what would lie a head for the Human Species as a whole.

The impact of this event taking place, regardless of the Launch and target areas, would surely put much at risk for many years. I know that NK is not a world power, but even one of these scenario's of one missile being sent, it would be catastrophic for years too come, there by not just being a circumstance of the NK Gov. being at the helm of catastrophe , but the populace as a collective.

My daughter is not here with me right now, but she will appreciate what you have given us for deductive reasoning with in such an event, if it should take Place. When my daughter and I looked into this with in our research, we couldn't get validations of one specific out come of low or high yield situation, as the report here states "Nobody has ever compiled this type of information for public consumption and debate." Quite scary actually, and we (My daughter and I ) Appreciate your vigilance and commitment of the research you have done for all of us here on PRC and our personal loved ones too pass this vital and detrimental information on, too discuss, debate and make some noise for these events to be scientifically researched.

You have did us justice my friend, the importance of our (My Daughters and my question of what would life be like after such an event should it happen.) lack of knowledge and the importance that lays with in these catastrophic and unnecessary events of nuclear war and conflicts leading too such a demise.

The Lunacy of powers with in these country's of apparent disregard for the human race as a whole must be irradicated, for if one leader, anywhere can yield so much threat to the entirety of the planet, and wield it as if it is a puppet on a string with careless and reckless abandon, this is truly a time of reckoning and a very loud wake up call for us all that "It is a time for action, not deliberation and conjecture."

With all the cards on the proverbial table, the time is now, and should be dealt with post haste, and not as a mere "Possibility", because sometime, somewhere, as long as these country's have Nuclear Weapons, someone will eventually use them with no discretion or prejudice, there by leaving everyone else too pay the price for Narcissistic and Egomaniacal ideologies,  with the end game being all for naught.

Spectacular TFW, absolutely and astoundingly put together for explanation,  can't say "thank you!!" enough, as I am sure my daughter will be just as grateful for the insight you have offered.

Let us hope this will not happen, when one has to openly admit that "Only time will tell." with this case and scenario, things are way too out of control with the mindset of some of these country's leaders and dictator's capable of doing such a herendous act against Humanity.

With Great Respect,
Your Friend Always,
1Worldwatcher

Thor is right.  Lets hope this isn't the first move toward the population decrease that certain forces believe is required.

'We're ready': American commander in the Pacific says he could knock out any North Korean missile strike as the rogue nation says it will launch one tomorrow

Read more (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306552/Were-ready-American-commander-Pacific-says-knock-North-Korean-missile-strike-rogue-nation-says-ready-war-U-S.html#ixzz2Q5QolX9b).


U.S. defenses could intercept a ballistic missile launched by North Korea if it decides to strike, the top American military commander in the Pacific said on Tuesday, as the relationship between the West and the communist government hit its lowest ebb since the end of the Korean War.

Amid increasingly combative rhetoric from Pyongyang, Adm. Samuel Locklear, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, said North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons and long-range ballistic missiles represents a clear threat to the United States and its allies in the region.

The admiral said Kim Jong Un, the country's young and still relatively untested new leader, remains unpredictable after using the past year to consolidate his power.


Japan has deployed missile interceptors across Tokyo as precaution against North Korean attack


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I think we have to remember that our source of information is coming from the western propoganda media.

They are telling us what they want us to hear.

For a N Korean slant on this, the link below is very interesting.

http://news.sky.com/story/1075931/ignorance-and-minders-life-inside-north-korea

Despite the current tensions on the Korean Peninsula, tourists have been able to travel to North Korea

QuotePeople there are very aware of the potential war.

Every time we arrived at the places of interest, the tour guides would always ask us in Korean (the minders would translate into Chinese) about the latest situation and our opinions about the situation, particularly our opinions about the US, as they all believe the tensions are the fault of America.

http://news.sky.com/story/1076650/north-koreas-missiles-in-upright-position

(http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/17/80/30/86/akorea10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=92&u=17803086)

To give folks in the USA an idea how their foreign policy is perceived elsewhere....

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I don't agree with it literally.  I can understand where the sentiment comes from though.

Although I loved both Mic's post's and Pim's post and do agree with them completley :)

I voted for Yes take it seriously!  That option didn't have other options below to expand upon and it is a poll. :D

I voted that option because of regional stability, not because of some nutter running a backwater country making brash claims about blowing up the USA... 

I voted that because that region needs stability not only for those people living close by but also for us not living so close by.  Some people may want to live like hippy's yet never do.... but I like tech and the country's around it are the locations tech is produced. 

On the comical side China should be doing more to calm this down in the public sphere, be that western or Asian.  If there were two regimes I would like to see banished for a quick start program it would be China and Nth Korea. 

My biased take on the matter   ;D 

My whole point is about "We the People" have no problem finding ways to trade with each other and countries that do well in Asia and are *known central trading hubs* that may suffer from these nutter's.

I've said this many times to Taiwanese People who support the Reunification with China  (ok not many but it is a conversation that one could have, and one I have had more than one occasion over the years)

I say to them late comer's chinese in taiwan  and ask very seriously " SO you would like to have your information cut off in the the form of the Internet, be told what to do, and have no discussion as to your worry's in life in big matter's"   They always hang their head and never reply.  That is a honest worry in Asia to the common person who can express their views and be free to dis-agree. 

People who are chinese or married to chinese really wont get what I wrote as they are in the chinese  :P

The China aspect here on the LVM may disagree with me... but honestly spend time in asia checking out the Chinese community, do bizz etc..CHina lost their culture a long time ago, and NTH Korea is a nutter side show episode of that loss of what China should be about LOL  MEANING they have no idea what they are doing  ;D



 

Quote from: Somamech on April 11, 2013, 06:43:35 PM
On the comical side China should be doing more to calm this down in the public sphere, be that western or Asian.  If there were two regimes I would like to see banished for a quick start program it would be China and Nth Korea. 

I just don't know what to think regarding China to be honest.  It is annoying that we can't manufacture much now because of China and India undercutting our costs due to "limitless" labour.  But I just can't see where the growth of China into a superpower is leading.

One example is, will China become more libertarian as it develops?  The west did.  Even the Eastern block did eventually.  Will it temper completely unregulated capitalism or not?  I just don't know enough about how China functions and will develop.

For those that follow Major Ed Dames, this prediction, made in the 90's is quite sobering.

He correctly predicted the Japanese Nuclear accident as a result of an earthquake.

Starting at the 4 minute mark, he forsees a nuclear bomb on the Korean Pennisula going off.  Also to come is a Space Shuttle type craft falling out of the sky, and then the Kill Shot.

Fear Mongering? or does he really know our future.

Something to ponder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrwO-mSUl0

North Korea: Putin In 'Chernobyl' Warning (http://news.sky.com/story/1075136/north-korea-putin-in-chernobyl-warning)


By Mark Stone, Yeonpyeong island

Vladimir Putin said a war in Korea could be more devastating than the Chernobyl disaster - as Pyongyang was warned against another nuclear test.

The Russian President said he was "worried about the escalation on the Korean peninsula, because we are neighbours".

And Mr Putin, who also praised a US decision to postpone a planned missile test as part of efforts to reduce tensions, said he feared a situation worse than that in Chernobyl after a nuclear accident that was later linked to thousands of deaths.

"If, God forbid, something happens, Chernobyl which we all know a lot about, may seem like a child's fairy tale,"

he said.

"Is there such a threat or not? I think there is ... I would urge everyone to calm down ... and start to resolve the problems that have piled up for many years there at the negotiating table."

His intervention came after United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged the North not to carry out a new nuclear test - saying it would be a "provocative" act.
more (http://news.sky.com/story/1075136/north-korea-putin-in-chernobyl-warning)




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North Korea leader Kim Jong-Un

Mr Ban said: "The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea cannot go on like this, confronting and challenging the authority of the (UN) Security Council and the international community.

"I am urging them to refrain from taking any further provocative measures."

China's Foreign Ministry also said it wanted peace on the Korean peninsula, not war, adding a proper solution to the crisis was the responsibility of all parties.

The Pentagon has already strengthened its missile defences in response to the repeated threats made by Pyongyang in recent weeks.

However, the New York Times has reported that a more thorough plan - setting out a limited but forceful response to any future provocation - has been drawn up by the US and South Korea.

It said US officials had outlined a "counter-provocation" plan that would see a "response in kind" that would hit the source of any North Korean attack with similar weapons.

The latest propaganda offering from North Korean state television is as bizarre as the rest of them. Angry soldiers unleash German Shepherd dogs to attack mannequins representing South Korea's Defence Minister.

In another clip, the minister's face is pinned to a target, which the soldiers fire repeatedly at.

"Kim Kwan-jin is such a b****** and a defective human being. He doesn't even deserve to be our target," one of them screams.

This sort of propaganda loops on television sets in the northern half of the Korean peninsula.

It is designed primarily for domestic consumption: all part of the North Korean regime's attempt to justify its existence and shore up its own legitimacy by creating an external threat that doesn't exist.

To the outside world, the video offerings of soldiers and their museum-worthy equipment forms the less convincing part of Kim Jong-Un's game to be taken seriously.

Yet the country's December rocket launch and February nuclear test proved beyond doubt that North Korea is over the nuclear threshold. That prompted the UN sanctions in March. Mr Kim responded with rhetorical threats, propelling this crisis to where it is now.

And so the world waits for Mr Kim's next move.




Published on Apr 7, 2013
North Korea today released a bizarre video of their military dogs attacking an effigy of an enemy minister and again threatened to attack their neighbours.??The animals savage a model of South Korean defence minister Kim Kwan-Jin in the propaganda clip shown on state television.??

In the video, the military dogs can also be seen jumping through a flaming hole as they are put through their paces in training.??It was released as the US delayed an intercontinental ballistic missile test planned for next week amid fears it will be misinterpreted by Pyongyang.??

British foreign secretary William Hague today warned of the 'danger of miscalculation' by Kim Jong-un's regime which has worked itself up into a 'frenetic state of rhetoric'.??In the new propaganda video troops can also be seen using the South Korean defence minister's face as target practice.??At the very end of the clip the effigy is destroyed with a rocket launcher.??

It is unclear when and where the video, released by North Korea's official news agency KCNA, was filmed.??An unidentified soldier warns that they are ready to attack their neighbour as soon as the order is given.??'On the Korean peninsula, it is not a matter of whether we will have a war or not but whether it will take place today or tomorrow,' he said.??

'This is a situation like being on the eve of a big explosion. Every minute, every second counts. We are right now set to march, once the order is given.'??

The claim follows weeks of ever-increasing threats from the pariah state who claim to have missiles capable of hitting the US.

North Korea is just weird enough to do something stupid. I don't, however, think they have the balls to launch a hot one.

Quote from: VillageIdiot on April 12, 2013, 10:15:57 PM
North Korea is just weird enough to do something stupid. I don't, however, think they have the balls to launch a hot one.

Greetings:

It would seem to depend on who actually is running the country.

"The apple does not fall far from the tree..."

or, how about,

"Like Farther, Like Son..."

This was the father of the 30-year old 'leader' who just might - even by 'accident' - ignite WWIII.


Top 10 Crazy Facts About Kim Jong Il - Listverse (http://listverse.com/2010/05/30/top-10-crazy-facts-about-kim-jong-il)

North Korea's pint-sized dictator is a master of propaganda and social manipulation, but he also apparently suffers from insecurity, delusion, and severe OCD. Here are 10 "facts" about Kim Jong Il, as reported by the media. The word "facts" is in quotes because the first 5 on the list are examples of propaganda that Kim Jong Il uses to brainwash his citizens into maintaining his almost god-like image. The last 5 are actual facts.

10
Supernatural

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The "Fact": He had a supernatural birth
According to North Korean historical literature, Kim Jong Il was born in a log cabin inside a secret base on Korea's most sacred mountain, Mt. Paekdu. At the moment of his birth, a bright star lit up the sky, the seasons spontaneously changed from winter to spring, and rainbows appeared.

This contradicts way less interesting Western accounts of his birth, which state the dictator was born in a guerilla camp in Russia, while his father was on the run from the Japanese.

9
Fashion Forward

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The "Fact": He is a fashion trendsetter
According to North Korea's newspaper Rodong Sinmun, Kim Jong Il's iconic style has become a global phenomenon. The inspired look of his zipped up khaki tunics with matching pants has been spreading across the world, an obvious testament to his outstanding image and influence. The paper didn't mention the popularity of the 4 inch platform shoes Kim wears, but his oversized shades definitely seem to be a big hit with the women of Hollywood.

8
Loved the World Over

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The "Fact": The world loves him
According to state-run media, Kimg Jong Il is the most prominent statesman in the present world, and people in countries the whole planet over celebrate his birthday with films and festivals. In reality, most nations are confused by his erratic foreign policy decisions on important issues such as N. Korea's nuclear program.

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Ratburgers

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The "Fact": He invented the hamburger
Since any American influences have long since been banned in his tiny communist country, Kim Jong Il had no choice but to create some new non-Western food by himself. North Korean newspaper Minju Joson reported that Kim Jong Il invented a new sandwich called "double bread with meat" in an attempt to provide "quality" food to university students. He then built a plant capable of mass hamburger production to feed his students and teachers, despite the fact that the majority of his citizens battle famine on a daily basis.

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Golfing Glory

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The "Fact": He is the best natural golfer in history
In 1994, it was reported by Pyongyang media outlets that Kim Jong Il shot 38 under par on a regulation 18-hole golf course – including 5 holes in one! That score is 25 shots better than the best round in history, and is made even more amazing by the fact that it was his first time playing the sport. It's said Kim Jong Il would routinely sink 3 or 4 holes in one per round of golf, and – lucky for the PGA – he has since given it up.

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Addiction

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The Fact: If he gets addicted to a drug, everyone else does too
According to a book written by one of Kim Jong Il's ex-staff members, he was once injured by falling off his horse when it slipped on loose rocks. He was afraid of becoming addicted to the painkillers that his doctors prescribed him, so he had members of his administrative staff injected daily with the same dosages he had to take. He did this so he wouldn't be the only one hooked on the drug.

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In the Movies

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The Fact: He once kidnapped a prominent director to film a Godzilla ripoff for him
Shin Sang-ok, a South Korean filmmaker, was kidnapped by Kim Jong Il, sent to prison, and eventually forced to make a film called Pulgasari that was basically a communist propaganda version of Godzilla. After Shin and his wife managed to escape North Korea while location scouting in Austria, Kim Jong Il shelved Pulgasari and all of Shin's other work. Kim Jong Il has since given specific instruction to his Ministry of Culture and his communist filmmakers: "Make more cartoons."

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Hitler Much?

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The Fact: He had disabled and short people deported from his capital
In preparation for the World Festival of Youth and Students in 1989, Kim Jong Il had disabled residents removed from Pyongyang. The government also distributed pamphlets advertising a wonder drug that would increase the height of short people. Those who responded to the pamphlets were sent away to different uninhabited islands along with the disabled in an attempt to rid the next generation of their supposedly substandard genes.

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Great Booze

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The Fact: At one time was the world's biggest buyer of Hennessy
For a few years in the early 1990s, it was confirmed by Hennessy that Kim Jong Il was it's best customer, spending about $600,000 to $850,000 annually on the liquor. He is partial to the Paradis cognac, which can sell for over $700 per bottle. In comparison, the average North Korean makes about $1000 per year.

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City of Dreams

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The Fact: He maintains a city that was built just to be looked at
Kijong-Dong is a propaganda city that was originally built in the 1950s by Kim Jong Il's father right on the border, this was to display the North's superiority to the South and also to encourage people to defect. It has no actual residents, but an extensive effort has been put forth to simulate a functioning city, including lights on set timers, and street sweepers to create an illusion of activity.

The use of modern telescopes has revealed that the units lack window glass, and some buildings are just concrete shells that don't even have interior rooms. The city also houses the world's largest flagpole, complete with a 300 lb. North Korean flag.

Kim Jong Un | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/funny-8466-kim-jong-un/#ixzz2QI4Q1G44)

Kim Jong Un has settled in as leader of our favorite insane country. Matching dad's batshittery will always be his greatest challenge. That and not looking like a clueless fat kid who was granted his wish to be a dictator. Here we chart his progress.






Just The Facts
   1.   Kim Jong Un's past is artfully shrouded in mystery to enable his propaganda machine to easily retcon his past glories.
   2.   Despite having no verifiable previous military experience, he was promoted to the rank of General shortly before his succession.
   3.   He is a big fan of Michael Jordan just like his father.
   4.   At age 28, he became the world's youngest head of state.

The man
Kim was schooled in Switzerland (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/01/AR2009060103750.html). According to his class mates, he was shy and retiring. That's about as much as we know of his youth until the kind North Korean media machine fills in the blanks.

After his whirlwind rise to the highest ranks in the military, Kim was reportedly (http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/08/03/2011080300499.html) responsible for "masterminding" the shelling of a South Korean island. He told his subordinates to blow it up and that's apparently how he became a "brilliant military strategist."

Soldiers, too, are shouting new slogans, including

"With all our hearts, let's protect Kim Jong Un, the young general, the morning star general who inherits the bloodline of Paektu,"

"We vow with bleeding tears to call Kim Jong-un our supreme commander, our leader."

"the genius among the geniuses"

"a great person born of heaven"

"respected comrade who is identical to Supreme Commander Kim Jong-il"

These are just a few entirely accurate non-hyperbolic descriptions of the young tyrant. Indeed the last quote has prompted theories in the more "speculative" corners of the Internet that he is an actual clone of his father. The clinching evidence lies in the fact that Kim looks a little like his father. There can be no other explanation for that!


Read more: http://www.cracked.com/funny-8466-kim-jong-un/#ixzz2QI4Q1G44

 ;D Thanks to the failure that is Windows 8, the war will be delayed until service pack 1 is released.

North Korean Missile Test Delayed by Windows 8

QuotePYONGYANG (The Borowitz Report)—North Korea's official news agency announced today that the military's planned missile test had been put on hold because of "problems with Windows 8."

Intelligence analysts said that the announcement gave rare insight into the inner workings of North Korea's missile program, which until last year had been running on Windows 95.

The announcement from the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) did not indicate a new scheduled time for a missile test, saying only that it was "working with Windows 8 support to resolve the issue."

In the words of one intelligence analyst, "That means the test has been delayed indefinitely."

A source close to the North Korean regime reported that Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un is furious about the Windows 8 problems and is considering a number of options, including declaring war on Microsoft.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-missile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-missile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html)

:P  ;D

 :o Kneel before your supreme leader...

World Surrenders To North Korea

QuotePYONGYANG—Following reports earlier this morning that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea successfully conducted its third nuclear test, sources confirmed that every nation on the planet has surrendered to the mighty East Asian dictatorship.

Less than 24 hours after news of North Korea's detonation of an atomic bomb at a test site near the Chinese border, humbled representatives from around the globe gathered before the Supreme People's Assembly in Pyongyang to concede defeat to North Korea and offer their services to Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un and his indomitable empire.

"In the face of this immense show of military might, our choice has become clear: surrender now or be instantly annihilated," U.S. President Barack Obama said as he joined United Kingdom Prime Minister David Cameron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and all other world leaders in kneeling and groveling before the Dear Leader. "At this point, we cannot resist the will of the North Korean dominion, nor would we want to. Our defeated nations and the people therein are hereby property of our Noble Leader, who henceforth may do with them as he wishes."

"May the divinely ordained dynasty endure for 1,000 years!" Obama added.

According to sources worldwide, following the total and unyielding capitulation of Russia, China, South Korea, and the rest of Earth's nearly 200 sovereignties to North Korea, the newly subjugated nations have already begun the process of relinquishing their governments, militaries, cultural identities, and media outlets to the all-powerful autocracy.

Additionally, sources confirmed the global surrender has been expedited through the immediate occupation of all centers of government by thousands of North Korean diplomats, who are overseeing the voluntary turnover of all property—including munitions, gold bullion, and food—to the People's Republic, which in the future may dole them out to its recently acquired territories as it deems appropriate.

"The United States and the rest of the world looks forward to devoting its resources and manpower to the great cultural and political project of our new North Korean rulers," said Obama, as halfway around the world a North Korean flag was raised above the newly relinquished U.S. Capitol building. "It is a shame that it took this latest nuclear test to reveal our foolhardiness in attempting to resist the will of the mighty North Korean empire. Our only hope is that the great People's Republic will forgive our past arrogance and take pity on its poor subjects. Your might and power truly know no equal, Dear Leader."

When reached for comment Tuesday, the Global Supreme Leader himself was less conciliatory.

"The surrender of North Korea's global enemies was an inevitability that our adversaries were foolish to delay," Kim said. "In the coming weeks, the world's people will learn firsthand the dear price of their resistance."

EDITOR'S NOTE: Following the complete and utter surrender of the world's inferior peoples to North Korea, The Onion would like to reaffirm its decades-long loyalty to the People's Republic. As the Supreme Leader is no doubt aware, The Onion has secretly financed the Korean Workers' Party since its inception, and we are proud at last to see the Powerful and Prosperous Nation take its rightful place. Long may North Korea reign, and death and dishonor to any who hope to oppose this mighty nation.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/world-surrenders-to-north-korea,31265/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/world-surrenders-to-north-korea,31265/)

LOL  ;D

Kim Jong-Un Wonders If Nuclear Threats Distracting Him From Real Goal Of Starving Citizenry (http://www.theonion.com/articles/kim-jongun-wonders-if-nuclear-threats-distracting,31998/)

PYONGYANG—Amidst escalating tensions between North Korea and the global community, Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un expressed concern Tuesday that his ongoing threats of inciting a nuclear war are distracting him from the more fundamental goal of starving his citizens.

"I know it's important to focus on making bold and increasingly outlandish threats involving nuclear weapons, but at the same time, I've got millions of people out there who need to be starved, and isn't that ultimately priority number one?"

the North Korean dictator wondered aloud, adding that his obsession with eradicating the West in a hail of nuclear rockets may have caused him to "lose sight" of his main responsibility of allowing the nearly 25 million men, women, and children under his watch to starve to death.

"Here I am working around the clock to expand our nuclear program so that our foes might feel the bitter sting of their arrogance, and, meanwhile, we haven't had a proper famine in nearly 15 years. I think we can ultimately accomplish both goals, of course, but I just don't want to take my foot off the pedal when it comes to nationwide malnutrition and hunger, because that's our real bread and butter around here."

Kim added he was happy, however, with the job he's done juggling insane, warmongering rhetoric with gross human rights abuses.

That's what gets me so 'What the F!! ' with the NK government, they have and are siphoning their citizens from a prosperous life with all the oppression they have portrayed throughout the history of NK.

People are being not only somewhat or some kind of brainwashed, they have no real idea of what the real world is doing and how they have rights as a humanbeing too stand up and be counted.

Either way, if Kim Jr. is a clone, they did a damn good job of it as far as the characteristics department toward the western world.... ::)

Thanks for the great work TFW.... Some pretty fascinating possibilities here with in this thread for sure, Way to go!!

1WW

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:P  Looks like a Microsoft Wireless Keyboard next to an antique TracMouse sitting on an old PBX switchboard... :P

Wow  look at the faces of those old guys  all trying to stop from laughing :P  And don't they ever take off those ribbons?

Look just pick up the phone and call the MOSSAD... have them send in a small strike forrce and its all over...

They have a couple options that would fit the bill

Planning and carrying out special operations beyond Israel's borders.
Preventing the development and procurement of non-conventional weapons by hostile countries.

http://www.mossad.gov.il/default.aspx

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Thought this was interesting.

A Chicago teacher goes to NK.  Watching BBC tv in the hotel room, it shows the main square full of tanks and show of force.  Meanwhile he looks out his hotel window to the very square, and children are roller skating. 

Life seems normal.


International TV broadcasters have been repeatedly showing tanks trundling through Pyongyang's Kim Il Sung Square in a demonstration of North Korean national power.

But when Patrick Thornquist, a Chicago teacher visiting the North Korean capital at the end of last week, arrived in the square, he was surprised by what he saw. This iconic square — Pyongyang's political, military and symbolic heart — was full of children rollerblading and shouting with joy.

One of leader Kim Jong Un's contributions to the nation has been building roller-skating parks and promoting entertainment facilities. And Thornquist was struck by the fact that, on watching the news later that day, it was still featuring footage of tanks.

"It was definitely interesting to see tanks on BBC in the hotel, as if that was that day, when we'd been in that square a couple of hours earlier and nothing like that was happening," he says.

QuoteI found this stunning. While one can extrapolate that even if children were skating in the square their intrepid leader could be behind the scenes (or underground, as it were) like a pudgy Dr. Evil setting inexorable doom into motion, the point made by Mr. Thornquist speaks volumes about just how manipulative the media can be in reporting the story. Of course, it's possible the BBC is an unwitting dupe in this chicanery, but, nonetheless, it makes it clear that ... not much is clear.

Here is the article.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/11/north-korean-hoax-tourists-find-children-skating-while-media-shows-tanks-in-the-square/

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There just might be a lesson here - somewhere  :P

QuoteNorth Korea artillery strike - the Start of the First Nuclear War?

By TOM CAIN
UPDATED: 13:08 EST, 27 November 2010

Top thriller writer Tom Cain imagines what would happen if the North and South Korea stand-off detonated the world's First Nuclear War (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1333558/North-Korea-artillery-strike--Start-First-Nuclear-War.html) in this fictional account.

At the time, people called it the Third World War.

Now though, we refer to the ­terrible events of late 2010 in a different way. We call this the First Nuclear War.

It began on November 23, 2010, when North Korean artillery bombarded the small island of Yeonpyeong, which lies in the Yellow Sea, just south of the maritime border between the two Koreas.

More than 60 properties were set ablaze and four people were killed. South Korea's staunch ally President Barack Obama immediately ­dispatched an aircraft carrier to take part in ­exercises with the South Korean Navy in the Yellow Sea.






Meanwhile, China — a traditional supporter of North Korea — remained ominously silent, pointedly refusing to join in the chorus of ­international criticism that had followed the shelling. In the South Korean capital Seoul, President Lee Myung-bak called for restraint. But it was a lone voice of peace.

Meanwhile, the official North Korean news agency declared that: 'North Korea will wage second and even third rounds of attacks ­without any hesitation, if warmongers in South Korea make reckless military provocations again.'

Inexorably, the rhetoric on both sides became ever more heated. Now, two of the most militarised nations on earth — North Korea had the world's fourth-largest army, South Korea the sixth — found themselves trapped aboard a runaway political train.

Its ­momentum was unstoppable. And its destination was war.

The two nations faced one another across a border that ran across the Korean peninsula, roughly along the line of the 38th parallel.






Their joint forces, including regular personnel and reserves, comprised a staggering ­13.7million trained men and women, enough to turn the two nations into a gigantic killing-ground. Added to them were the 28,500 personnel of the United States Forces Korea, based at Yongsan Garrison, Seoul, the former Korean HQ of the Imperial Japanese Army.

The two sides squared off across the most heavily fortified national border on earth, their forces separated by a two-and-a-half-mile-wide Demilitarised Zone, or DMZ. At its nearest point, the border was barely 25 miles from downtown Seoul.

If the North Koreans could cross the border and get to Seoul quickly enough, they could strike a blow from which the South would never recover.

For decades they had been planning just such a strike. On the North Korean side of the DMZ, gigantic underground caverns had been dug in which whole armies could ­assemble undetected. Four times they had tried to tunnel under the DMZ, attempting to get their forces in behind enemy lines. Each time they had been detected.

But no one detected tunnels five and six. Each had been dug more than 500ft down and was big enough to allow a 3,000-man division to pass through in an hour. At midnight on Wednesday, December 1, 2010, the first North Korean Special Forces went into the tunnels. At 3am they struck.

A thunderous barrage of heavy artillery tore into the American and South Korean defensive positions across the DMZ.






A dozen of the projectiles used were atomic shells, miniature atom-bombs with an explosive power equivalent to 400 tons of TNT, enough to ­devastate even the most hardened enemy bunker.

As the forces along the South Korean side of the DMZ struggled to recover from this hammer-blow, they were hit from the rear by what seemed like a never-ending surge of highly-trained, ruthless and utterly merciless North Korean troops.


By 5am, the North Koreans had punched a two-mile-wide hole in the South's defences.






Now their tanks, artillery and motorised infantry overran any ­pitiful remnants of resistance and raced south, heading for Seoul.

U.S. and South Korean pilots were scrambled and hit the advancing North Koreans from the air. The remaining US troops at Yongsan ­Garrison were dragged from their beds and trucked north to meet the oncoming hordes. The South ­Koreans, too, charged to the defence of their capital.

The North Korean advance was finally halted on the outskirts of Seoul, along the line of Highway 100 which runs in an arc around the north of the city.

Washington DC is 14 hours behind Korean time. So it was lunchtime there on November 30 when the North Korean attack began.






All through the afternoon, ­President Obama was locked in frantic ­discussions with his military and ­diplomatic advisers, fellow western leaders and his counterparts in ­Moscow and Beijing.

The use of nuclear shells against US forces had shocked the nation and Middle America wanted revenge.

A few voices urged caution and a sprinkling of peaceniks took to the streets to demonstrate against the looming war. But they were far outnumbered by the masses baying for blood.

At 9pm, Washington time, just as the North Korean advance was grinding to a halt outside Seoul, President Obama addressed the people.

He informed them that he had issued an ultimatum to North Korea.

Withdraw across the border within 24 hours, or face the might of U.S. ­military power.

Any sane opponent would have taken this warning seriously. But ­sanity has never been a concept ­associated with North Korea.

The country's leadership was in ­transition as the Supreme Leader Kim Jong-il prepared to hand over to his 26-year-old son, Kim Jong-un.






This war was the young man's rite of passage and — bitterly frustrated at his army's inability to take the South's capital — he wanted to force the issue.

Shortly after 2pm Korean time (midnight in Washington) Kim Jong-un gave the order for two nuclear missiles to be fired at the 24.5million people who lived in Seoul and its suburbs.

The first missile obliterated Incheon International Airport. The second hit the Yongsan district, instantly killing more than 250,000 people, sending a cloud of deadly nuclear fallout drifting across the city and wiping the US forces' HQ at Yongsan Garrison off the face of the earth.

President Obama did not act at once. In one final bid to avert all-out nuclear war, he amended his ultimatum.

Now the North Koreans had six hours to retreat across their border and surrender unconditionally, or he would, as he put it, 'bring down the wrath of the American people on your heads'.






Meanwhile, in Moscow, hardliners were urging Vladimir Putin to stand back and do nothing to stop the looming conflagration. Why not let Russia's two greatest enemies destroy one another?

Moderates, however, saw this as a chance for Russia to appear ­statesmanlike on the world stage. They urged Putin to offer his help to avert catastrophe.

A similar argument was being played out in Beijing. The case for peace was very simple. China held $2trillion of US debt. The US was also its biggest overseas market.

The economic links between the two nations made war a financial disaster. But China was in a belligerent, ­muscle-flexing mood. With two hours to go before the U.S. deadline, Beijing made an announcement of its own. Any use of nuclear weapons by the US on North Korean soil would be seen as an incursion into China's sphere of influence and thus an attack on China itself.

Obama could not be seen to back down. When his deadline passed without any response from North Korea, he ordered cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads to be fired at North Korean military and government ­installations in the ­capital, Pyongyang. The country's leadership was torn apart, but there were inevitably tens of thousands of civilian casualties too.






But this attack meant that China had been defied and thus lost face. To reclaim its pride, it had to be seen to retaliate. For their target, the Chinese chose the massive new £8billion US military base on the Pacific island of Guam.

One CSS-5 ballistic missile, armed with a 300 kiloton warhead, equivalent to 300,000 tons of TNT, ­crippled American power in the region at a stroke.

The US was locked in a deadly game of tit-for-tat. China's nuclear submarine base at Sanya, on the very southernmost tip of the Chinese mainland, vanished from the earth as another gigantic mushroom cloud spread across the sky.

The scale of the conflict was ratcheted even higher as the Chinese retaliated with a multiple strike on American missile silos at Malmstrom Air Force Base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmstrom_Air_Force_Base), ­Montana.






Chinese computer scientists launched a massive cyber-attack, hoping to cripple America's ­computer and internet systems. On land, Chinese forces began moving into North Korea, coming to the aid of their North Korean brothers.

In response to a nuclear attack on American soil, Pentagon plans called for retaliation using weapons far more powerful than any that had yet been deployed.

But that could plunge the world into a nuclear winter and risk the ­destruction of civilisation itself.

It was a crazy gamble, yet no one dared back down. China and America were engaged in a nuclear-­powered game of chicken. And the survival of the planet was at stake.

Around the world, billions watched helplessly as Armageddon loomed.

In Britain, while a few jokers tried to raise spirits with old Dad's Army catchphrases such as 'Don't panic!' or 'We're all doomed!', most people were gripped by gut-wrenching ­tension, fear and despondency.

In Whitehall, old Cold War-era plans for coping with nuclear attack were hurriedly dusted down. Meanwhile, for the first time in half a ­century, the Royal Navy ­prepared to use its ultimate weapon.

Britain's nuclear deterrent, comprising 160 nuclear warheads (roughly comparable with China's nuclear stockpile) was based aboard four Vanguard-class nuclear submarines, operating from Clyde Naval Base on the west coast of Scotland.

As always, one of the submarines was at sea on patrol — on this occasion on a secret route in the Pacific —- and David Cameron was privately thankful that its payload had not yet been halved from 16 Trident missiles to eight, as the 2010 Strategic Defence Review had suggested.

With Washington seemingly ­committed to nuclear war, Britain could find itself dragged into yet another American-led conflict.

On land, strategists and weapons technicians frantically attempted to select targets in China that would give the Prime Minister options from a single warning shot to a multi-­warhead attack.






Yet any UK action would be entirely dependent on the U.S. guidance satellites, without which British missiles could not find their targets.

And it would only happen in the event of a total nuclear war, in which Britain itself could well be annihilated by missiles fired from Chinese nuclear submarines.

So in the end, David Cameron was effectively helpless. All he could do was to sit, watch and pray, just like everyone else.

Others, however, were not sitting and waiting.

Just as 9/11 had been a good day to bury bad news, so this was a good day to get away with bad behaviour. For Israel, it presented a golden opportunity to strike at a target on which it had long had its cross-hairs sighted: Iran's two ­uranium enrichment plants at Esfehan and Natanz.






Israel had never confirmed or denied that it possessed nuclear weapons, but had long been assumed to do so. The assumption proved to be ­correct as a volley of submarine-launched Cruise missiles, each armed with nuclear warheads, ensured that, whatever its purpose, Iran's enrichment programme no longer existed.

Israel's enemies were equally opportunistic.

From his base in the mountainous Waziristan region of Pakistan, Osama bin Laden sent messages to Al Qaeda's satellite organisations in the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq, North Africa and Europe.

Long-term plans for terrorist ­missions were to be activated as soon as possible.
?On the basis that his enemy's enemy was his friend, Bin Laden had sided with China. Now he would cause the maximum possible havoc as a means of demonstrating his support.

In Washington, Obama tried again for peace, pleading with the ­Chinese to see reason. He called for them to cease all attacks on the ­U.S., its forces and its allies, and withdraw Chinese troops from the Korean peninsula.

Arguing that the Chinese had made an unprovoked nuclear attack on the U.S., President Obama demanded the cancellation of all American debt to China as reparation for the destruction of the U.S. facilities on Guam and in Wyoming. The Chinese government were given just one hour to respond.


Twenty minutes went by...30...no word from Beijing. At the 40-minute mark, the launch procedure was initiated for more than 50 U.S. ­missiles armed with multiple warheads, each of which could destroy a city.

Worryingly, U.S. spy satellites were now reporting activity at all known ­Chinese nuclear missile sites. They were preparing for action.

Fifty minutes...at the UN, more than 150 nations called on the US and China to seek peace.

Fifty-five minutes...the hardened tops of the US missile silos drew back to reveal the apocalyptic weapons that lay within.

In Moscow, Putin was lost in thought, running through different moves in his head like a chess grand master.

Fifty-six minutes...57...Obama looked to the heavens and ­muttered a prayer of forgiveness for what was about to be done at his command.

At 58 minutes, Vladimir Putin reached for his telephone and ordered that he be put through to the leaders of the US and China. The connection process took another agonisingly long 30 seconds.






Putin did not mince his words. He pointed out that any full-scale nuclear war between the US and China would cripple both nations.

It would also leave Russia as the one country on earth with an intact, large-scale nuclear arsenal. The lone superpower.

If the two leaders wished to destroy one another for Russia's benefit, Putin had no objection. But if they wished to seek peace, even at this late stage, he was ­prepared to act as an honest broker.


'Hold the countdown!' Obama barked.

Now, silence fell on the line as the Chinese President Hu Jintao ­considered his options.

Obama was the first to speak: 'Mr President, I can restart the countdown at any time.'

His voice was calm, but the threat in the words was overwhelming.

'Very well,' said Hu Jintao. 'We will talk.'

War had, for now, been averted. The American eagle and the ­Chinese dragon had laid down their arms.

But as the world rejoiced at its deliverance from catastrophe, the Russian bear, its power and prestige restored to all its former glory, was preparing to growl once again.

And as the nuclear fallout from Israel's strikes settled in Iran, the Islamic world became more ­determined to destroy the Jewish state.

And so, at this moment of ­apparent peace, a second nuclear ­conflict was already looming... more (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1333558/North-Korea-artillery-strike--Start-First-Nuclear-War.html#ixzz2QGj6yfVl)

STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON NORTH KOREA (http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=0ee75668-0126-343f-d624-6a53c96e93a6)

April 15, 2013

Washington, D.C. ­– U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) today released the following statement on North Korea:

"As the world waits to see whether North Korea will act on its threat to test launch a medium-range ballistic missile, I maintain that the United States should treat any North Korean missile launch as a threat to our national security and our allies, and that we should shoot it down once it leaves North Korean airspace.

North Korea's leaders should have no doubt that the United States of America has both the capability and the will to eliminate the threats they seek to pose to international peace and stability."

Quote from: Pimander on April 12, 2013, 12:48:56 AM
I just don't know what to think regarding China to be honest.  It is annoying that we can't manufacture much now because of China and India undercutting our costs due to "limitless" labour.  But I just can't see where the growth of China into a superpower is leading.

One example is, will China become more libertarian as it develops?  The west did.  Even the Eastern block did eventually.  Will it temper completely unregulated capitalism or not?  I just don't know enough about how China functions and will develop.

Good question and one that is very hard to answer :D

But I will try and answer given my limited experience and knowledge in manufacturing.

I honestly doubt that China will rise to where people "imagine" them to be.  Throwing money at infrastructure is easy in Asia, changing mindset's is another matter.  It's hard to change a bumpkin mindset that has thought it's the center of the universe for a good 50 or more year's into changing it's tune.

As I said in round about way's... I state this from what may be a biased mindset due to my obvious link's to Taiwan, having worked for at one point of my career in the world's largest RP company's and what I witness on a day to day basis that I will have to deal with tomorrow.

I long for Japanese Quality and Taiwanese Quality in Manufacturing... I keep seeing parts from Shenzhen that purely are outright BAD.  Mindset is not changing in China...  And to be fair it doesn't look good here in the west from where I type... BUT when looked upon a level of "we are global, and there is standard's to improve" China keep failing and that is where I angle my argument from :D



     

Interesting... all quiet on both sites.   :P




N. Korea believed to be ready for missile launch: Seoul's defense chief | YONHAP NEWS (http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2013/04/15/37/0301000000AEN20130415004952315F.HTML)

QuoteAlthough it was widely expected that the North would stage a military parade on Monday to mark the birthday of late North Korean founder Kim Il-sung, the grandfather of current leader Kim Jong-un, only cultural events were held, according to military officials in Seoul.

   Ahead of the North's largest national holiday, the communist country was seen mobilizing military personnel and equipment to practice for a massive military parade at Mirim Airport near Pyongyang.

   "As North Korea staged a military parade last year, we considered the rehearsal was for the birthday event," a senior official said, noting that it could also be preparations for the anniversary of the creation of the North Korean army on April 26 or for the July 27 truce that ended the Korean War in 1953.

   Last year, Pyongyang presented about 880 pieces of military equipment during the military parade, including six road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles, called KN-08.


As the North has yet to launch a provocative missile despite Seoul's prediction that it could fire off a Musudan intermediate missiles ahead of the anniversary of Kim's birthday, the defense ministry said the Korean Peninsula could enter into a prolonged missile crisis depending on political and diplomatic circumstances.

And from the same site:



2013/04/16 02:16 KST

In 'ultimatum,' N. Korea urges Seoul to apologize for 'all hostile acts'

SEOUL, April 16 (Yonhap) -- North Korea's military on Tuesday issued what it called an "ultimatum" calling for South Korea to offer an apology for "anti-North" activities, according to the communist nation's media.

   "The supreme command of the Korean People's Army Tuesday issued an ultimatum to the South Korean puppet group," Pyongyang's official news agency, KCNA, said in an English-version article.

   If the South really wants inter-Korean dialogue, the command added, it will have to apologize for its acts to damage the North's dignity and declare its will to stop such behavior.


KAPPC Urges Foreigners in S. Korea to Take Measures for Shelter and Evacuation
   
    Pyongyang, April 9 (KCNA) -- The Korea Asia-Pacific Peace Committee issued the following statement on Tuesday:

    The situation on the Korean Peninsula is inching close to a thermonuclear war due to the evermore undisguised hostile actions of the United States and the south Korean puppet warmongers and their moves for a war against the DPRK.

    The prevailing situation is seriously affecting peace and security not only on the peninsula but in the rest of the Asia-Pacific.

    The DPRK has already declared strong military counteractions to protect the dignity of the nation and the sovereignty of the country from the increasing threat of the aggressors.

    The U.S. and the south Korean puppet warmongers are now watching for a chance to start a war against the DPRK after massively introducing WMDs including nuclear war hardware into south Korea.

    Once a war is ignited on the peninsula, it will be an all-out war, ie a merciless sacred retaliatory war to be waged by the DPRK.

    It does not want to see foreigners in south Korea fall victim to the war.

    The committee informs all foreign institutions and enterprises and foreigners including tourists in Seoul and all other parts of south Korea that they are requested to take measures for shelter and evacuation in advance for their safety. -0-

KCNA (http://www.kcna.kp/kcna.user.article.retrieveNewsViewInfoList.kcmsf)

A good example Pim is someone 'who used to be a Colleague of mine' who started his own biz in China.  Quality was great for the first 6 months or so then we started to get problems in quality, now its a Freaking Mess to put it dimly.... 

And this guy has just started using google adwords, and he does not deal with irate customer's well.... even when he had backing from a global as an Aussie in China managing project's for a global company.

AT the end of the day all people want is lowest price and quality, the two key point's don't equate... Especially in China. 

BMW in round about way's are going to receive some of the shittiest plastic part's I seen in awhile from my former colleague's company.  He started well and went to poop...Machine's can improve but culture cannot at times and I lump China into the latter and have NO qualms stating as much given what I have worked with for 12 odd years in prototyping from all over Asia.   

Quote from: thorfourwinds on April 15, 2013, 09:02:51 PM
Interesting... all quiet on both sites.   :P

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N. Korea believed to be ready for missile launch: Seoul's defense chief | YONHAP NEWS (http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2013/04/15/37/0301000000AEN20130415004952315F.HTML)

And from the same site:


(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1-15%20April%202013/yonaptext.png)


2013/04/16 02:16 KST

In 'ultimatum,' N. Korea urges Seoul to apologize for 'all hostile acts'

SEOUL, April 16 (Yonhap) -- North Korea's military on Tuesday issued what it called an "ultimatum" calling for South Korea to offer an apology for "anti-North" activities, according to the communist nation's media.

   "The supreme command of the Korean People's Army Tuesday issued an ultimatum to the South Korean puppet group," Pyongyang's official news agency, KCNA, said in an English-version article.

   If the South really wants inter-Korean dialogue, the command added, it will have to apologize for its acts to damage the North's dignity and declare its will to stop such behavior.





KAPPC Urges Foreigners in S. Korea to Take Measures for Shelter and Evacuation
   
    Pyongyang, April 9 (KCNA) -- The Korea Asia-Pacific Peace Committee issued the following statement on Tuesday:

    The situation on the Korean Peninsula is inching close to a thermonuclear war due to the evermore undisguised hostile actions of the United States and the south Korean puppet warmongers and their moves for a war against the DPRK.

    The prevailing situation is seriously affecting peace and security not only on the peninsula but in the rest of the Asia-Pacific.

    The DPRK has already declared strong military counteractions to protect the dignity of the nation and the sovereignty of the country from the increasing threat of the aggressors.

    The U.S. and the south Korean puppet warmongers are now watching for a chance to start a war against the DPRK after massively introducing WMDs including nuclear war hardware into south Korea.

    Once a war is ignited on the peninsula, it will be an all-out war, ie a merciless sacred retaliatory war to be waged by the DPRK.

    It does not want to see foreigners in south Korea fall victim to the war.

    The committee informs all foreign institutions and enterprises and foreigners including tourists in Seoul and all other parts of south Korea that they are requested to take measures for shelter and evacuation in advance for their safety. -0-

KCNA (http://www.kcna.kp/kcna.user.article.retrieveNewsViewInfoList.kcmsf)

If I was running the world I would blow them up and be done with In-stability.  People want to trade and be done with GOD, Supreme Commanders and what have you :D

I hooked a Logitech Keyboard to my Samsung TV... what a revelation in breaking free from my den for simple web search's to enjoy time with my mrs's. 

People want to trade and improve regardless of religion.. these sorta nutters are ruining it for us all  >:(

Published on Apr 4, 2013

Press Release - Anonymous Operation North Korea (#opNorthKorea)


A message from Anonymous to the Government of North Korea.

Hello, citizens of the world.

We are Anonymous.

The North Korean government is increasingly becoming a threat to peace and freedom.

Don't misunderstand us:

As well we disagree with the USA government too - these guys are crooks, USA is a threat to world peace too, and direct democracy or any kind of democracy doesn't exist there.

The American government is a target and enemy of Anonymous as well!

This is not about country vs country.

This is about we, the people, the 99% of USA and of North Korea vs oppressing and violent regimes, like USA gov and North Korean gov!

We, the people, are gathering together because we are stronger now and we won't fight your wars anymore, we won't eat your poop anymore!


We demand:

- North Korean government to stop making nukes and nuke-threats
- Kim Jong-un to resign
- It's time to install a free direct democracy in North Korea
- Uncensored internet access for all the citizens!


To Kim Jong-un:

So you feel the need to create large nukes and threaten half the world with them?

So you're into demonstrations of power, here is ours:
- We are inside your local intranets (Kwangmyong and others)
- We are inside your mail servers
- We are inside your web servers

Enjoy these few records as a proof of our access to your systems, random innocent citizens, collateral damage, because they were stupid enough to choose idiot passwords, we got all over 15k membership records of www.uriminzokkiri.com and many more.

First we gonna wipe your data, then we gonna wipe your badass dictatorship "government".

http://www.rezoanonymous.eu/anonymous

North Korea leader tells military to be ready to use nuclear weapons | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-kim-idUSKCN0W52PP)

3 March 2016
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ordered his country to be ready to use its nuclear weapons at any time and the military to be in "pre-emptive attack" mode in the face of growing threats from its enemies, state media said on Friday.

The comments, carried by the North's official KCNA news agency, marked a further escalation of tension on the Korean peninsula after the U.N. Security Council imposed harsh new sanctions against the isolated state on Wednesday for its nuclear program.

North Korea, known for belligerent rhetoric, has previously threatened pre-emptive attacks on its enemies, including South Korea and the United States.

Military experts doubt it has yet developed the capability to fire a long-range missile with a miniaturized warhead to deliver a nuclear weapon as far as the United States.

Kim made the comments as he supervised military exercises involving newly developed rocket launchers, KCNA reported. It did not mention the date of the drills but said the new weapons had South Korea within range.

South Korea's defense ministry said on Thursday North Korea launched several projectiles off its coast into the sea up to 150 kilometers (90 miles) away, an apparent response to the U.N. sanctions.


Kim said North Korea should "bolster up (its) nuclear force both in quality and quantity" and stressed "the need to get the nuclear warheads deployed for national defense always on standby so as to be fired any moment," KCNA quoted him as saying.

"Now is the time for us to convert our mode of military counteraction toward the enemies into a pre-emptive attack one in every aspect."

Kim criticized South Korean President Park Geun-hye in his first direct published mention of her by name for acting "in league with the U.S. scoundrels," adding, "her hysteria will precipitate only her ruin in the long run," KCNA said.

are they trying to plant a pre-seed of apocalyptic thought ? detract  from the political jiggering happening in America ? more fear.. smells like they're trembling *quo*:D

just out of curiosity... what is that flying white thing above his fastidiously manicured head? :D

funbox

Oh, please...this looks like GLP doom porn.  Surprise attack? Across the most heavily monitored border on earth? How about air cover? NK has a wonderful collection of antique aircraft. On a good year, they might even have fuel to get them in the air. Sometimes, they fall apart and crash. You can read NK propaganda praising how many bicycles they have ready for war.

The US can stand back and erase NK cities with cruise missiles. Their nukes are pathetic and delivery systems almost laughable.  I'd also bet that Fat Boy doesn't really know the status of his own forces because there is no independent crosscheck for what he's told about fuel, readiness, etc.  It happened to Saddam.

Whether they get nuked in return or just starve to death thereafter, NK commits suicide by attacking. What's different this time is that China has agreed to sanctions with teeth.

Well DANG  I hope he targets Washington :P

That way we solve the current political problems in on blast  AND we wipe N Korea of the face of the Earth

Win Win situation :P

N Korea launched two separate test ICBM's

Both mysteriously over heated and exploded

I won't say it was SPACE LASERS...  but

It was Space Lasers :P

Oddly nough Even RUSSIA knows Gotta love RT news :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6dtagWZ84

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6dtagWZ84

Was this thread saying much the same back in 2013 when it started?

I personally have thought everyone missed an opportunity when Kim Jong Un took over. he was very interested in things outside his country. he was schooled in switzerland. I think when the world scolded the ball player for going there was another missed opportunity, he was so ready to become Westernized. It would only have taken showing him respect and making him feel that the world was happy because he was fresh and new and would bring them into today at last!

I doubt many will agree but I think we... the world hurt his feelings and then angered him and made him have to show and feel hate for the things he would have surely embraced if trained into it. :-\

2nd Missile attempt also shot down

Rocket mysterious over heated and separated into 4 pieces and fell back to earth. This from NHK News Japan  the network that gave us all that great LIVE Fukushima coverage, so like RT I trust them as a source

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJ79SPsbMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJ79SPsbMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evPWDPgcgcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evPWDPgcgcI

un was the dad il is the son,or as i like to call him,lil kim.

www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2010/02/a_nation_of_racist_dwarfs.2.html

this is bad on so many levels but funny at same time.

Quote from: robomont on March 04, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
un was the dad il is the son,or as i like to call him,lil kim.

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anV3VcMB284

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anV3VcMB284

Quote from: Dyna on March 04, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
Was this thread saying much the same back in 2013 when it started?

It looks like it.

The problem is something I have noticed for a long time, the US has a strange need of feeling hated, so it's always looking for people to point as a source of hate and, in return, hate them. This is the start of the process of dehumanizing the other side, so people can easily accept the destruction of the people from that other side (whatever it may be at the time).

Quote from: Dyna on March 04, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
Was this thread saying much the same back in 2013 when it started?

Ding Dong!
You win the prize stuffed animal.
Thank you for your enlightened opinion.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on March 06, 2016, 03:27:57 AM
Ding Dong!
You win the prize stuffed animal.
Thank you for your enlightened opinion.

Maybe not enlightened but it is mine and I at least never base any opinion on what other people feel, I develop my own after researching. :)

now where is my stuffed animal? :P