Many here know of the site in Lebanon called Baalbek, and have ruminated over the methods of how the Trilithon stones were cut and placed, while weighing nearly 1000 tons.
(http://www.middleeast.com/baalbek7.jpg)
So, the forum here should provide a number of interesting ideas on how the original builders cut, dressed and placed the stones of the Trilithon, and why there is one more stone in the quarry, unsevered from the source bedrock, and very indicative of the methods used to place it once cut, which it is.
Ill start with my theory, and it involves the movement and placing of the stones themselves after being cut by whatever means had been utilized.
One who moves a refrigerator can understand my idea with ease....get the shape on one corner and all downward force will be placed on that one point, rendering the shape nearly weightless to the person able to control it's balance.
(http://truereality.org/truereality/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Baalbek-stoneofpregnantwoman.jpg)
The stone of the pregnant woman protrudes out from the bedrock at an angle which implies the possibility of someone using blocks and fulcrums to raise it once the final cuts had been made at it's attachment to the existing bedrock.
The shape is then walked along and finally placed in situ with fulcrums and levers, blocks and other wooden and stone implements, which if found today would appear as just meaningless chunks to the casual observer, and gems of truth to the engineer.
So, my stone is in place....but who cut it for me and how...any ideas?
hi Dave
as for cutting your stone.. talk to robo - he has a new toy
as much as i would like to believe they did it with engineering.. i just can't
magnets and lazers that's my best guess..or if they were THAT smart..maybe just mental images
not tryin to be a smartazz either.....i do think we have been too limited in figureing it all out
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Ha! ;D
I watched a very cool documentary a few year's about this place :D
http://www.museumsandtheweb.com/mw2001/papers/kenderine/kenderdine.html
Everything made sense in that Doco, seriously it was well made, with the people making the doco and the artisans working on it. They lacked one thing though...How ya get those stone's up during the Renovation without modern crane's ?
That part was omitted in the "How we did back in the old day's"
Le -
Here's a few that show the angle of the other end, and surrounding blocks and cuts -
(click on images to view full size)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Colossal_Hewn_Block,_Ancient_Quarries_Baalbek.jpg/646px-Colossal_Hewn_Block,_Ancient_Quarries_Baalbek.jpg)
(http://www.world-mysteries.com/Baalbe3.jpg)
The Aswan quarry might also provide some clues -
(http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/aswan,%20unfinished%20obelisk/images/aswan%206.jpg)
(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Egypt/Aswan/AroundAndAbout/UnfinishedObelisk.jpg)
(http://sharmsmile.com/images/exc/small/aswan1.jpg)
(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/Egypt/Aswan/AroundAndAbout/UnfinishedObeliskSite.jpg)
(http://0.tqn.com/d/cruises/1/0/K/W/6/Aswan--Unfin-Obelisk-291.JPG)
All the ancient megalith sites are fascinating to me.
And one thing is universal.
There is no way in hell, ancient humans could have moved the biggest stones.
Absolutely no way whatsoever,
Without machinery.
Anybody prove me wrong.
Elvis
They may have used a variation of the method in the video below, using gravity to do the heavy work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4
Quote from: ArMaP on June 23, 2013, 09:43:48 PM
They may have used a variation of the method in the video below, using gravity to do the heavy work.
The quarries in some cases were as much as 500 miles away....
Lifting a stone in situ is one thing... but transporting those stones that far is another.
Egyptians recorded everything they did in mundane life in pictures on the walls in art
Show me were the art is showing the construction methods, since building these megalith would have taken up most of their lives.
Quote It is thought that, at construction, the Great Pyramid was originally 280 Egyptian cubits tall, 146.5 metres (480.6 ft) but with erosion and absence of its pyramidion, its present height is 138.8 metres (455.4 ft). Each base side was 440 cubits, 230.4 metres (755.9 ft) long. The mass of the pyramid is estimated at 5.9 million tonnes. The volume, including an internal hillock, is roughly 2,500,000 cubic metres.[3] Based on these estimates, building this in 20 years would involve installing approximately 800 tonnes of stone every day. Similarly, since it consists of an estimated 2.3 million blocks, completing the building in 20 years would involve moving an average of more than 12 of the blocks into place each hour, day and night. The first precision measurements of the pyramid were made by Egyptologist Sir Flinders Petrie in 1880–82 and published as The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh. Almost all reports are based on his measurements. Many of the casing stones and inner chamber blocks of the Great Pyramid were fit together with extremely high precision. Based on measurements taken on the north eastern casing stones, the mean opening of the joints is only 0.5 millimetres wide (1/50th of an inch).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
Similarly, since it consists of an estimated 2.3 million blocks, completing the building in 20 years would involve moving an average of more than 12 of the blocks into place each hour, day and nightThis is NOT including the time spent in CUTTING them from the quarry or transporting them from the quarry
more than 12 of the blocks into place each hour, day and nightSorry for SHOUTING :P
But this is the point everyone over looks and this is only for ONE of the pyramids
Quote from: zorgon on June 23, 2013, 10:09:09 PM
Lifting a stone in situ is one thing... but transporting those stones that far is another.
I was talking about the lifting, I should have made it clearer, sorry about that. :)
Quote from: zorgon on June 23, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
This is NOT including the time spent in CUTTING them from the quarry or transporting them from the quarry
The time spent in CUTTING (see, I can shout too) and transporting them is irrelevant to the time it took to build it, or do you count the time spent making the bricks, the cement, the iron bars, etc. when counting the time it takes to build a house?
You might as well count the time it takes for a tree to grow, so you can cut it down, make some planks and build a dog-house, then you can tell that it took some 20 years to build it. :)
actually, if i'm not mistaken, z thinks the stones were lifted with sound
Quote from: undo11 on June 24, 2013, 01:39:37 AM
actually, if i'm not mistaken, z thinks the stones were lifted with sound
That explains the SHOUTING. :P
the stones could have been cut with giant hemp ropes covered in resin and coated with crushed quartz.the rope would be on a pully connected to a animals walking in a circle.the longer the run the straighter and smoother the cut.think two hundred ft+ runs on a cut.
the blocks could be pulled by teams of animals on stone bearings lubed with lard or other fats.the track for the bearings would be wood or stone .
if researching.i would look for level path from quarry to build site.maybe same altitude on path using gps?or goolgle earth or such.
we should
Quote from: robomont on June 24, 2013, 02:20:00 AM
the stones could have been cut with giant hemp ropes covered in resin and coated with crushed quartz.
That would work if the rock is above the ground, but, from what I have seen, most quarries are cut in a side of a mountain or hill, so they only have three free sides, the stone is part of a rock face, either vertical or horizontal.
Unless I misunderstood what you were saying. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 24, 2013, 01:12:47 AM
I was talking about the lifting, I should have made it clearer, sorry about that. :)
No you were VERY clear...
But you fall into the same format used by all skeptics You explain only ONE point with a possible solution and do not look at the overall logistic
Quote from: ArMaP on June 24, 2013, 01:16:54 AM
The time spent in CUTTING (see, I can shout too) and transporting them is irrelevant to the time it took to build it, or do you count the time spent making the bricks, the cement, the iron bars, etc. when counting the time it takes to build a house?
In the case of a house in modern times it may be irrelevant because the building materials are already prepared anticipating someone building a house and in our world we have established means of transport that can easily move these materials to a site where you can build your house
So what you are saying is that BEFORE they started the 20 year building project, some stone cutters had ALREADY prepared all the material anticipating that some Pharaoh would come along and want to build a huge pyramid
And you are also saying that the logistics existed to transport these huge stones in a timely manner to the job site so they could just place 12 stones per hour, 24 hours a day for 20 years
And yet NO ONE can show me this logistic marvel. There is no painted record showing such logistics. And please don't give me the ropes and rollers version. Even if that did work you could not move 12 stones per hour, 24 hours a day for 20 years The rollers would need constant replacement... not enough trees to go around for such a feat... and the quarries were 500 miles away
QuoteYou might as well count the time it takes for a tree to grow, so you can cut it down, make some planks and build a dog-house, then you can tell that it took some 20 years to build it. :)
That is a strawman argument... but yes in the case of the GP since according to archaeologists we have the date it was supposedly COMMISSIONED and the date it was supposedly COMPLETED... in this case you would have to include the cutting and transport time in the logistics of building it within the 20 year time frame
Now they have calculated the number of stones laid per hour. I wonder if ANYONE has calculated the needed manpower considering that humans have limited strength and endurance, need to stop to sleep, eat and take a dump. T work at that pace for 24 hours a day for 20 years would require an immense labor force and that would require more logistics to feed them and provide housing
Quote from: robomont on June 24, 2013, 02:20:00 AM
the stones could have been cut with giant hemp ropes covered in resin and coated with crushed quartz.the rope would be on a pully connected to a animals walking in a circle.the longer the run the straighter and smoother the cut.think two hundred ft+ runs on a cut.
COULD HAVE BEEN They could also have been cut by Dwarves using lasers :P
Can you show me the quality of rope that they had in Egypt at the time? Can you show me the pictographs that they had such pulleys using animals to run them? Can you show me detailed accounts in writing describing such methods? Can you explain to me how crushed quartz will cut through granite (generally harder than quartz)?
Egyptians did not have hemp rope;
The ancient Egyptians were probably the first civilization to develop special tools to make rope. Egyptian rope dates back to 4000 to 3500 B.C. and was generally made of water reed fibres. Other rope in antiquity was made from the fibres of date palms, flax, grass, papyrus, leather, or animal hair.
NOVA tried using men pulling ropes to move a relatively small block on log rollers. They failed. They found two problems... they could not get enough men near the rock and the ropes broke
When they flooded the Aswan Dam they had to move two huge statues. Those statues were made of ONE piece of stone... They used sky crane helicopters with steel cable... the cables snapped. They had to cut the statues into three sections in order to move it with modern equipment
Most of those reports have been buried now hard to find Much better to believe they did it with unruly slaves. inferior rope and logs that they didn't have :P
There does exist ONE only ONE painting of them trying to move a statue on a sled using ropes rollers and men... but that image was so destroyed from the time of the Templars that it is almost impossible to make out what is really happening and they filled in details to suit the official version :P
Quotethe blocks could be pulled by teams of animals on stone bearings lubed with lard or other fats.the track for the bearings would be wood or stone .
Please work out for me the logistics of moving 12 giant blocks an hour for 24 hours a day fopr 20 years. ow many teams of animals added to the work force would be needed? How many tons of lard from what source. Where are these stone bearings now? Is there even ONE of those left?
Quoteif researching.i would look for level path from quarry to build site.maybe same altitude on path using gps?or goolgle earth or such.
The main quarry is about 500 miles away on the other side of the Nile... add that to your logistics
Here is a drawing of what one such barge would look like to move a giant stone
(http://www.catchpenny.org/images/move0.gif)
They would need thousands of these barges to supply stones that could be set at 12 stones per hour, 34 hours a day for 20 years and that is not counting the other two pyramids and structures in the complex
All very good points, Z; my humble opinion is that all the bull poop from the egyptology field is just that; poop...
the pyramids were existent long before the first pharoah farted in his diaper...
just sayin...
seeker
there was a pbs special on round stones as bearings.thats where i got the idea.
i thought hemp or hemp seeds was found in a pharoh tomb.
in the cowboy days in usa there was a horse per man on average.why couldnt there be a ox or camel per person back then.
maybe egypt had a giant immigration influx due to drought .these folks were employed.ten guys per stone being moved by ox teams on a stone track.track takin up at end of job to be used for other things.kinda pulling up track behind as moving forward.maybe it was the limestone that covered the pyramid but was cut and finished at site location.
just throwing out theories.if hemp wasnt available then maybe wet silk.lol.
What if...
The great pyramid was built 5,000 plus years BEFORE the Egyptians
Maybe that is why there are no pictures of how they were built
Maybe that is why the GP was huge and perfect with no prototypes leading up to it and the ones after got progressively worse... the exact opposite of what we find in normal learn and build process
Did Aliens build them? I am more inclined to go with a previous civilization that left these big structure all over the world long before the Egyptian. long before that Aztecs, Mayans and Incas, long before the Chinese because even the Tibetans have memories of ancient vast empires BEFORE the Bonn
but hey what do I know? :P
::)
Quote from: the seeker on June 24, 2013, 03:48:18 AM
the pyramids were existent long before the first pharoah farted in his diaper...
Get me a copy of the Inventory Stella that Zawi Hawass wouldn't let anyone examine... the one that was from Khufu, where he states that the Spinx was ancient when he came upon it and he only had crews repair it
QuoteThe Sphinx, Egypt.
The 'Inventory stella' - Found at Ghiza by Auguste Mariette in the 1850's, in the ruins of the Temple of Isis clearly states that Khufu restored the Sphinx. This stone provides some of the strongest evidence that the Sphinx was constructed before Khufu and not by him. It says:
Long live The King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khufu, given life
He found the house of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid, by the side of the hollow of Hwran (The Sphinx)
and he built his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess and he built a pyramid for the King's daughter Henutsen beside this temple.
The place of Hwran Horemakhet is on the South side of the House of Isis, Mistress of the pyramid
He restored the statue, all covered in painting, of the guardian of the atmosphere, who guides the winds with his gaze.
He replaced the back part of the Nemes head-dress, which was missing with gilded stone
The figure of this god, cut in stone, is solid and will last to eternity, keeping its face looking always to the East '(10).
...Which implies that the Sphinx (and a temple to Isis), were extant before Khufu...
While it is believed by traditional Egyptologists that this stella was carved in the 26th dynasty (664-524 BC), the reason why the statement that Khufu restored it is ignored by modern Egyptologists is a mystery, as the other information on it is regarded by the same people as historical fact.
The reason is obvious to me
Selective research accept ONLY the parts that suppprt your version, ignore the rest as fiction
Quote from: undo11 on June 24, 2013, 01:39:37 AM
actually, if i'm not mistaken, z thinks the stones were lifted with sound
Yeah its called Acoustic Levitation :P The Tibetans are good at it (or were) :D
Maybe they used sound to cut slabs and drill holes too... :D
We did a thread on all that both at ATS and here
PROJECT ISIS (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=38.0)
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2013, 04:55:48 AM
Yeah its called Acoustic Levitation :P The Tibetans are good at it (or were) :D
Maybe they used sound to cut slabs and drill holes too... :D
We did a thread on all that both at ATS and here
PROJECT ISIS (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=38.0)
Remember it well! :)
I did a complete analysis of the Drums, and small and large trumpets they used to levitate stones. The secret ingredient to make it all work, that I have never seen anybody else on the Internet (Or elsewhere) publish, well I'm keeping that to myself. ;D
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2013, 02:47:47 AM
But you fall into the same format used by all skeptics You explain only ONE point with a possible solution and do not look at the overall logistic
I look at one point at a time. If I can get a result for each point then I try to connect them, if I do not then I try to find new solutions for each, testing each new solution to see if, connected with the others, they appear to show a full solution.
That's the problem solving methodology I have used all my life, and it has worked most of the time. :)
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2013, 02:59:33 AM
So what you are saying is that BEFORE they started the 20 year building project, some stone cutters had ALREADY prepared all the material anticipating that some Pharaoh would come along and want to build a huge pyramid
No.
Was the great pyramid the only thing built at that time? They didn't build anything just before it? If they had a culture of making stone statues and buildings, why would they prepare the stones only at the moment they need them? Isn't it possible that they already had some of the stones needed for the building process to start?
Thinking about that, what were the first stones to be put on the pyramid? The larger ones?
QuoteAnd you are also saying that the logistics existed to transport these huge stones in a timely manner to the job site so they could just place 12 stones per hour, 24 hours a day for 20 years
No.
QuoteThat is a strawman argument... but yes in the case of the GP since according to archaeologists we have the date it was supposedly COMMISSIONED and the date it was supposedly COMPLETED... in this case you would have to include the cutting and transport time in the logistics of building it within the 20 year time frame
What do you mean by "commissioned"? (and please don't shout, I have a headache :P)
QuoteNow they have calculated the number of stones laid per hour.
And you accept the calculation. :)
QuoteI wonder if ANYONE has calculated the needed manpower considering that humans have limited strength and endurance, need to stop to sleep, eat and take a dump. T work at that pace for 24 hours a day for 20 years would require an immense labor force and that would require more logistics to feed them and provide housing
I think I saw those calculations somewhere, some months ago. I will look for them.
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2013, 03:12:31 AM
When they flooded the Aswan Dam they had to move two huge statues. Those statues were made of ONE piece of stone... They used sky crane helicopters with steel cable... the cables snapped. They had to cut the statues into three sections in order to move it with modern equipment
Are you talking about the Abu Simbel temples?
If you are, the bigger temple has four huge statues that were carved in the rock, so moving them without cutting them was impossible.
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2013, 03:19:39 AM
Here is a drawing of what one such barge would look like to move a giant stone
(http://www.catchpenny.org/images/move0.gif)
That barge could only move one stone?
Quote from: robomont on June 24, 2013, 04:31:53 AM
there was a pbs special on round stones as bearings.thats where i got the idea.
That's the method they used to move the Thunder Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Horseman#Thunder_Stone), although they used bronze spheres and rails to make it easier, although far from easy. :)
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2013, 04:55:48 AM
Yeah its called Acoustic Levitation :P The Tibetans are good at it (or were) :D
Is that a proved method or is it as proved as the dwarfs with lasers? ;)
Are they Lady Dwarfs?
If so, What are they wearing? ;D
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on June 24, 2013, 02:05:58 PM
Are they Lady Dwarfs?
If so, What are they wearing? ;D
They are dressed as chicken. :)
Sharks with laser beams..where have I heard that........? :D :D
Ah, some great banter here folks, I knew I could count on y'all to provide some interesting viewpoints regarding the movement of heavy stone and cutting of same from quarries of their origin.
I chose Baalbek, and the trilithon in specific due to the fact that the quarry here is less than 1 kilometer from the site itself...2600 feet to be exact, and it is slightly downhill from it to the final resting place of the Trilithon stones.
As for cutting the stones to such perfection..the sheer accuracy of the cuts shows us we cannot attribute this act to anyone within our current era, and it had to be done by lost technology...not to mention the age of them and they still appear to be very straight and smooth even after millenia of wear and erosion.
I have a few ideas how they did it...and it mustve been impressive!
I do know that huge wetsaws were used, due to the end cuts, and various places where saw blades jammed, or broke, pieces off of the structures we see around the world from Peru to Egypt.
And, just think, if they used wetsaws, the place the stones laid next to the saw would have had to allow them to be slid along the blade, and that technology alone could account for how they moved them everywhere they did.
On the Sphinx...Robert Schoch was right when he said it is much older than the mainstreamers say...he has proven that through concise engineering in his work for years..no question in my mind that it wasnt built by the Egyptians, at least the Dynastic ones.
Stephen Mehler has a few books on the ancient Khemites and offers that Khem may have been a part of building the pyramids, but I think the GP and several of the oldest are even older than Khem itself as a civilization.
My personal opinion aligns with Zorgon and Seeker, in that there is enough LACK of evidence the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid and the other oldest ones, while newer versions decreased in workmanship as various cataclysms and world events took their tolls on the peoples of the times, to verify that the reason there is no artwork depicting the greatest achievement known to engineering mankind is because the Egyptians did not do it the same as the ancients before them.
The sheer number, size, and distance to quarry of the blocks used in the GP also shows us that the Egyptians adopted the effort into their history, rather than making it themselves..there is no way that many boats were built, and that many stones were cut, dressed and delivered in the way the existing artwork shows in the time ascribed to the whole affair.
Definitely not Aliens though..LOL! Giorgio has got some work to do regarding the past of human history and how humans have been way more intelligent and physically different in previous civilizations before the current era. We came from space, of course, but how long ago noone will probably ever know until we are ready to join the space travelling peoples who inspired our DNA here on Earth...and even then we need to be wiped out a few more times for the human genome to become able to adapt to the possibilities which are available for us in this wide ranging universe. For now, the insanity and ritualistic madness of a backwards moving society rules the day.
As a race and species, humanity is definitely moving in reverse, and our continued degradation and loss of connection with our natural world and our planet in specific has led to the place we are today..a woefully hateful society who has absolutely zero penchant for using common sense in our daily business, and will soon reach a point where we will go over the cliff we are approaching so rapidly.
Oh well, I have a refrigerator to move now.... :P
Cheers!
Le
Well put sir.
have some space gold.
I have this mad notion, That back god knows when, This precious earth was designated as a prison colony.
like Australia was in the 1800s. Some where to ditch all the dellinquents and vagabonds.
I mean look at us :o We have no natural affinity with the place. we destroy everything we come across.
we slaughter each other on a daily basis.
We dont belong here.
elvis
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on June 24, 2013, 04:47:50 PM
Well put sir.
have some space gold.
I have this mad notion, That back god knows when, This precious earth was designated as a prison colony.
like Australia was in the 1800s. Some where to ditch all the dellinquents and vagabonds.
I mean look at us :o We have no natural affinity with the place. we destroy everything we come across.
we slaughter each other on a daily basis.
We dont belong here.
elvis
Elvis, you are as likely to be right as anyone with a theory, and your's does seem to hold water in many ways!
Something about us will show the world we are a fluke of some sort...Id bet on that before Darwinism or Creationism ever rears their head in my mind.
Perhaps the British were thinking along the lines of these ideas when they established Australia as a colony of prisoners. Perhaps it was in their repressed genetics to do so....perhaps the British are a fractal of our fine space visitors from long ago! Oh boy, that would mean our fine UK members have Annunaki tendencies then! :o
At any rate, were here for now..doing as we do..destroying, killing and decimating the most beautiful of the universes treasures...how long til the end...we shall see.
Cheers, and thanks for the space gold..it's so much better than the earthbound stuff! ;)
Le
Starwarp do you care to spill the beans ? ;D
My thought's along the acoustic lev also add in a bit something else happening along the line's of Yoda as "One" possibility ? :D
"Perhaps the British were thinking along the lines of these ideas when they established Australia as a colony of prisoners. Perhaps it was in their repressed genetics to do so....perhaps the British are a fractal of our fine space visitors from long ago! Oh boy, that would mean our fine UK members have Annunaki tendencies then! :o"
I bet that's the first time you ever thought that . :)
You know what though, that's quite an idea.
And the fact that you dropped "Fractal" in there is good enough for me.
It could be why Asian's are so good at Documenting Qi-Gong and Martial Art's... Their eye's are so Slanted that they need to USE the Force to Feel ;D
Hi, I think I can jump in here.
On the 2.3 million stones. A while back I actually started in CAD to layout the stones used all the way up and try to back calculate how many. Level by level an nice solid job. The number came out real close to the advertized one. Then I started to look into details. The amount of stones might be closed to 10 million but the size is much smaller. We call it rubble. While it is true that all the stones we can see look great, it is the ones ou can't see that are the trouble. Look at some photos where the outside is blown away. What do you see, Rubble as fill. Even the experts here use rubble for fill while doing this. It is not a problem as long as it is the same stuff.
Something like 90% of the work is in the first 30% of height. Where they needed nice cut blocks they put them there, everywhere else, Rubble or fill. So to get the interior blocks in place was a lot easier than I expected. Just because of the count, not the work. The hardest thing to do in my book would be the final casing. To get 8 sides perfect and razor blade close is well over my head of even thinking about how it was done.
So less big blocks, Maybe only a third of them were fine cut. The rest were rejects, broken ones or scrap.
As far as walking large stones, they proved it could be done last year at Easter Island. Walking a large stone like in the picture above would be a masters job. One slight mistake and your crew is fly food.
Keys are leverage and water for moving. Time and good luck on cutting. Still a mystery for perfect cutting and placing up high.
Quote from: Somamech on June 24, 2013, 08:25:14 PM
It could be why Asian's are so good at Documenting Qi-Gong and Martial Art's... Their eye's are so Slanted that they need to USE the Force to Feel ;D
Something tells me there wont be any hot dinner for you tonight, Soma!LOL!
Quote from: deuem on June 25, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
Hi, I think I can jump in here.
On the 2.3 million stones. A while back I actually started in CAD to layout the stones used all the way up and try to back calculate how many. Level by level an nice solid job. The number came out real close to the advertized one. Then I started to look into details. The amount of stones might be closed to 10 million but the size is much smaller. We call it rubble. While it is true that all the stones we can see look great, it is the ones ou can't see that are the trouble. Look at some photos where the outside is blown away. What do you see, Rubble as fill. Even the experts here use rubble for fill while doing this. It is not a problem as long as it is the same stuff.
Something like 90% of the work is in the first 30% of height. Where they needed nice cut blocks they put them there, everywhere else, Rubble or fill. So to get the interior blocks in place was a lot easier than I expected. Just because of the count, not the work. The hardest thing to do in my book would be the final casing. To get 8 sides perfect and razor blade close is well over my head of even thinking about how it was done.
So less big blocks, Maybe only a third of them were fine cut. The rest were rejects, broken ones or scrap.
As far as walking large stones, they proved it could be done last year at Easter Island. Walking a large stone like in the picture above would be a masters job. One slight mistake and your crew is fly food.
Keys are leverage and water for moving. Time and good luck on cutting. Still a mystery for perfect cutting and placing up high.
Indeed, D, the simple basics are where to start, and most folks start with the most far fetched explanations..ie..aliens, cymatics, magic, flying spaghetti monsters etc....
The trilithon is the smoking gun still, as those three stones are the most massive of the site, and everything else there was just added over the millenia and destroyed by invading factions.
Plus, the fit and finish of the site supports the fact that as engineers mankind has been going backwards for those many millenia, and is now just starting to catch up with the technology of the ancients.
Still so many mysteries..thank goodness we have the actual site itself..wonder when the catholic church of satan, or the insane religidiots of the middle east will wait before they sense it is an obstacle to their control, and destroy it.
Something a wise man said to me as a boy still stands here..K.I.S.S....keep it simple stupid, and that's gold in the bank for me to begin my search with.
Of course, the aliens still visit after all these millions of years, and one day they might contact us and tell us what we are doing wrong, although any observant person can see that clear as a bell.
Cheers, D!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on June 25, 2013, 06:11:26 PM
Something tells me there wont be any hot dinner for you tonight, Soma!LOL!
LOL ;D
Actually I do say something similar to my wife... and forgot to add that in my post ::) ;D
Actually it's pretty hard to find people who can read Characters that state otherwise, along with the metronomic study. If i could use prism i am sure i have been called an aussie pig LOL
Yep me and the wife for the most part take the piss out of each other :D ( dont upset a taiwan though.. they get really pissed)
Just found this LOL Timely
Brien Foerster Deep Inside The Great Pyramid In Egypt
The lighting is bad but pay attention to how close the seems are in the rocks on the inside and listen to the resonance when the guide makes sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC4U-2ntAGA
Who in their right mind place's rocks slightly off center ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on June 24, 2013, 12:24:10 PM
Is that a proved method or is it as proved as the dwarfs with lasers? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KzmB2bI7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGuPoh4qqj8
Quote from: Somamech on June 25, 2013, 09:36:04 PM
Who in their right mind place's rocks slightly off center ;D
An Engineer that understands load bearing :P
Quote from: Littleenki on June 24, 2013, 03:17:52 PM
Sharks with laser beams..where have I heard that........? :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw
Quote from: zorgon on June 25, 2013, 10:22:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KzmB2bI7s
Does it work outside a closed chamber?
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGuPoh4qqj8
What's the relevance of this video? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on June 25, 2013, 11:37:46 PM
Does it work outside a closed chamber?
Yes it does
QuoteWhat's the relevance of this video? ???
Dwarves and lasers :P