http://youtu.be/DuIEXvTRBEc
A little something new to look at.
Try it fullscreen.
Enjoy 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuIEXvTRBEc
edited by Sgt.Rocknroll
https://youtu.be/2a7GTwfeTvs
Rock
Nice! That reflection IS quite odd, isn't it?
Quote from: Amaterasu on August 13, 2013, 01:01:53 AM
Nice! That reflection IS quite odd, isn't it?
It's odd, but is it really a reflection? :)
ok armap if it isn't a reflection, what do you think it could be? I see what appears to be legs or supports underneath it when sarge zooms in on it...
seeker
Nice work Sarge!
Definately got me scratchin my head on this one! ???
I have no idea. Just draw what I see.
Part of a crane gantry? Column/beam/diagonal brace of an interior set?
Straight lines on the curved face of the helmet would appear curved which shows what you have drawn.
Another thread for photo reference: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=455.0
Quote from: the seeker on August 13, 2013, 04:04:28 AM
ok armap if it isn't a reflection, what do you think it could be?
Part of what's on the other side of the visor. :)
We shouldn't forget that we are looking at something that, besides being reflective, was made to let light enter the helmet, so if light enters the helmet it's possible that we are seeing what's inside the helmet.
Excellent Sarge.
The lies in the visors.
Elvis.
Armap, what can you see inside the helmet that could possibly create those internal reflections? Just curious.
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/89/sfy3.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/15/nd8s.jpg)
a tatoo on Conrad's head? ala Gorbachev?.... ;)
Looks pretty strange to me............How about the possibility of a reflection from any reflective piece on the near-side (to him) of what he is holding in his hand?? :o
I do have a question this photo, and visor reflection - - is a "line of horizon" on the moon always as close as depicted in this pic. It is a bright sun shiny day, and the view seems to show the horizon not very far behind him, and the relection of the frontal horizon on his visor appears to be only a few steps away, into the darkness. I would have thought that the moon is big enough that when standing on a flat surface area, one could see for several miles (klicks) in any direction????? Seems a little "staged" to me!
Well, I did a little looking, and found a "horizon distance chart" for the moon, with relevance to hight of observation. I can't post a screenshot of the chart, but I can post a link to it. It does show that at a height of 2 metres the horizon distance is 2.6 kilometres, which would be about 1.8 miles, in any direction. Doesn't look that far to me, in the photo!!!!!
http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM5B.html
As always Sarge thats a very intersting find there mate! ;)
I did a quick search and found some testing pics in regards to the visor on the Great Lord of NASA website:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj-LEVA.html
Great stuff guys!..All I can say is, to me it's something in front of him, probably at 30 deg. (from eyesight) height (guessing from Conrad's height of 5'6")
but hell, who knows..I thought it was interesting and thats what I drew...
Its a freaking great find Sarge!
On Nasa's site they show the gold reflecting "all incoming light" which makes it all the more interesting :O
As an Aside notice the Symbol on this Helmet from the link I posted in my previous post!
Zorgon will LOVE this One :D
Jim Lovell's flown LEVA, photographed at the Adler Planetarium by Arthur de Wolf. The new version included a central eyeshade with a raisable flap. It also included what is known as the 'CDR stripe' introduced at the request of NASA Public Affairs to distinguish between the two LM crewmembers in photographs. On later missions, the stripe was solid red. Lovell obtained NASA permission to incorporate a US Navy anchor on his CDR stripe. (Click on the image for a larger version.)
(http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a13LovellVisor-sm.jpg)
Quote from: rdunk on August 13, 2013, 05:52:41 PM
Looks pretty strange to me............How about the possibility of a reflection from any reflective piece on the near-side (to him) of what he is holding in his hand?? :o
I do have a question this photo, and visor reflection - - is a "line of horizon" on the moon always as close as depicted in this pic. It is a bright sun shiny day, and the view seems to show the horizon not very far behind him, and the relection of the frontal horizon on his visor appears to be only a few steps away, into the darkness. I would have thought that the moon is big enough that when standing on a flat surface area, one could see for several miles (klicks) in any direction????? Seems a little "staged" to me!
Well, I did a little looking, and found a "horizon distance chart" for the moon, with relevance to hight of observation. I can't post a screenshot of the chart, but I can post a link to it. It does show that at a height of 2 metres the horizon distance is 2.6 kilometres, which would be about 1.8 miles, in any direction. Doesn't look that far to me, in the photo!!!!!
http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM5B.html
Exactly.
This is the quandary, most if not all shots of moon Eva's show a very close horizon.
Which brings in the eternal question,of we're they there at all?
That shot has always looked to me like the object was either floating or suspended not too far from Conrad.
So it is either an object observing the astronauts, or a part of the set hoaxing the scene.
Elvis.
On the horizon question, I think it's an obtical illusion. Gently sloping hills will give that same effect..IMHO.... :D
The Spacecraft in the Helmet Reflection...
...is a Peek-A-Boo class spacecraft that is seen in many photos observing the astronauts :D
Though the name sounds silly (no sillier than NASA "Blue Berries" on Mars named becasue the guy was eating a muffin at the time) it was coined by ValHall, Springer's wife, at ATS when she first spotted the one in Copernicus Crater in John's moon thread :D
Here it is in AS14-66-9295 (Apollo 14)
(http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS14/AS14-66-9295.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS14_66_9295/AS14-66-9295_a.jpg)
Close up... no other enhancement...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS14_66_9295/Peekaboo_6a.png)
So... it is either an alien spacecraft watching over them OR It is a light fixture or something in the studio :D
The Peek-A-Boo Class got it's name because the first one we found in Copernicus looked like it was peeking out at us :D I will post it here... These craft appear with a large central hub with various smaller parts attached by tubes....
The one in Copernicus we also found in the other image top view. It was also the spot that Childress had in his book... the book and image that first caught John's attention that started him hunting anomalies on the moon....
Spaceship on the Moon
Copernicus Crater
18-25 November, 1966 and 6-18 August, 1967
One version is a simple enlargement the second is color high lighted
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_C02a.gif)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_C02b.gif)
The Image above is from Copernicus #2 part of LO-III-162-M3, the image provide by John Lear. All the Copernicus Images original .bmp format and the Grid maps etc. can be downloaded at the end of this page. It is my firm belief that this is some form of space craft consisting of Spheres and tubes, of which some are visible on this ridge. The location is on the top of the large rubble heap on the tier below the "Box"
This image was taken 18-25 November 1966
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_C05a.gif)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_C05b.gif)
The Image above is from Copernicus #5. It is right on the top of the rubble heap. Based on careful position calculations, this is the same spot as the previous location. There are lots of artificial looking objects in the image, but for now we are going to concentrate on the green highlighted area.
This image was taken 6-18 August 1967
Look closely and you can see a large central sphere connected to smaller spheres giving the effect of a molecule model. There is a squarish reverse "c" shape connected to the group of spheres via thin "v'" shaped lines.
Though this may seem an odd shape for a spaceship, there is a very good reason that I believe this to be exactly that.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_T_5b.png)
Copernicus #5 - Enigma T
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_A_5b.png)
Copernicus #5 - Enigma A
The above two images show two more of the spacecraft again showing spheres, connecting lines and the "c" shaped object. The one on the right even shows what appears to be a shadow showing spheres and lines. Below is a .gif version of the same ships.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_T_5a.gif)
Copernicus #5 - Enigma T
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_A_5b.gif)
Copernicus #5 - Enigma T
Spaceship above the Moon
Apollo 16 Image
April 21, 1972
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_AS16.png)
Full size...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/ISIS/Ship/AS16-111-18035HR.jpg) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/ISIS/Ship/AS16-111-18035HR.jpg)
The Image above is Apollo 16 image number AS16-111-18035HR. Within the yellow box is the ship that looks identical to the one sitting in Copernicus Crater. Click on the above image and zoom in on the area marked by the yellow box...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_AS16a.png)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_AS16b.png)
Normal view on left then rotated 90 degrees
The image on the right is clipped from the picture above... the one on the left is rotated clockwise to better show the comparison to the object in Copernicus # 5.
So here again we have the spheres connected by lines and the squarish "C" shape, only this time it is in the sky ABOVE the moon... and hanging over the Apollo landing site.
This image was taken shortly after April 21, 1972
Oddly it seems the great 'pedia of knowledge doesn't have the Anchor Symbol in the rank and file listings :D
But we can see that the ol anchor Symbol does occur all the same :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_officer_rank_insignia
Spaceship on the Moon
Apollo 17 Image
December 12, 1972
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_AS17_01.png)
Apollo 17 Video Capture
Tsiolkovsky Crater - Farside
The Image above is a screen capture from an Apollo 17 video that was sent to me by one of the group here. I have not seen this around the web circuit (though it may be there are so many sites out there) It is a 4 minute clip... the astronaut talking is giving a narration... but no mention of the object is made... you can hear bits of a second conversation in the background, most likely talking on the other secured channel. Half way through the background speaker make some exclamations of surprise.
Link to the Video is Here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/03ZIPs/AS17_ship.zip)
Maybe Sarge could transfer this to a You Tube video for me :D (PM me I have an idea in mind)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_AS17_03.png)
This is a close up best quality I could create. And here you can see the squarish "c" shape, the spheres and the connecting lines... Looking at the video it is clear that the Astronauts are focusing on the white object. And if you look at the crater out of focus behind it you will see that the objects is in the sky not on the ground
This image was taken around December 12, 1972
Spaceship on the Moon
Apollo 11 Image
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Apollo/A11pan5913_sm.jpg) (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/a11pan5913-16EvM.jpg)
Apollo 11
a11pan5913-16EvM.jpg
Close up...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Apollo/A11pan5913_clip.png)
This image was sent to me by an anonymous source. The picture above is a greatly reduced version of the original and the anomaly is lost. You need to click on the image to get the original from NASA and search in the area indicated. NASA editors missed this one as it needs a little gamma adjustment to bring up the image.
But here once again we have another sample of the little anomaly that has been nicknamed "Peekaboo". Turns out the nick name is not so far off, as this object just keeps peeking out at us in many images
The original image is found on the picture link and the Source is...
NASA - Apollo Lunar Surface Journal (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/a11pan5913-16EvM.jpg)
"Peekaboo" in Earth's Atmosphere
Atlantis STS-115
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/010.png)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/004.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/009.png)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/003.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/008.png)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/005.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/006.png)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/007.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/001.png)
The series of captures is from a video from NASA archives as they film the booster falling back to Earth. About half way through the video the white object comes into view and moves through the frames, rotating as it does so. Below is a link to the original video from NASA
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/STS_115_Atlantis/002.png) (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/video/shuttle/sts-115/net56/sts115_fd01_03_56.asf)
Video from NASA Archives (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/video/shuttle/sts-115/net56/sts115_fd01_03_56.asf)
Quote from: starwarp2000 on August 13, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
Armap, what can you see inside the helmet that could possibly create those internal reflections?
I was not talking about internal reflections, I was talking about things seen through the visor, things that can be seen because the visor is not opaque or 100% reflective.
I don't have any idea of what it could be, I was just pointing to the fact that just because we are looking at a reflective surface we shouldn't forget that's also a transparent surface. :)
Here is another one maybe worthy of another look...
(http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/gallery-technology/astronauts/aldrin-apollo11_L.en.jpg)
In this picture it looks to me as if there is a shadow of a guy with a tripod taking this photo. Thought they mounted cameras on the suits?
(http://www.ssontech.com/img/apollo11.jpg)
Should the tripod not be there in some other picture? Might be nothing.
Zorgon, in your pic of the object above the surface of the moon that has several bright lights, or some type of light(s) shining off of it ------to our right and down to about 4:00 oclock position, there is another object of some sort. It is likely farther away, but it does seem to be eliptical with a darker area in its center, as we see it in a vertical plane. It is a little brighter than anything else around the area. I magified your pic several times, and made it more obvious.
No screenshots, so can't post it, but, maybe you can find it too! ;)
Quote from: zorgon on August 13, 2013, 09:30:25 PM
So... it is either an alien spacecraft watching over them OR It is a light fixture or something in the studio :D
Or something else. :)
There are some photos (I think at least 2) in which we can see those blue "lights"between the camera and the ground.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on August 14, 2013, 12:32:31 AM
Here is another one maybe worthy of another look...
(http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/gallery-technology/astronauts/aldrin-apollo11_L.en.jpg)
In this picture it looks to me as if there is a shadow of a guy with a tripod taking this photo. Thought they mounted cameras on the suits?
(http://www.ssontech.com/img/apollo11.jpg)
Should the tripod not be there in some other picture? Might be nothing.
perhaps my eyes are tired, but i am not seeing the man with the tripod...
Hey Z that is a coincidence mate.
I did that video also a couple of years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-gSpZE5SsE
I think the naration (comms) is the key.
Elvis.
Maybe it's something like this? -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnRZWQIl5I8
;) ;D
See the full movie here -
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1237.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1237.0)
I am still scratching my head on this Sarge.
Anything I think of that it looks like doesn't make sense.
- A bug squished on his visor like on your windshield during a drive
- A moth trapped inside the helmet
(that's what made me think of the above clip, could it be something inside?)
So if nothing inside makes sense, we are left with the outside, i.e. a reflection.
Then when your work is over laid it looks just like it, only clearer.
An odd spacecraft hovering?
Thats the only thing that comes to mind. As I was drawing it, I kept seeing elliptical shapes sort of angling away from the subject. Who knows?
I have to say that I haven't found anything that was supposed to be inside the helmet in that position, but I'm still looking. :)
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on August 14, 2013, 10:00:32 AM
Hey Z that is a coincidence mate.
I did that video also a couple of years ago.
I think the naration (comms) is the key.
yeah if you listen carefully you will hear that they are using TWO CHANNELS a long contested argument. I forget the name of the guy who first brought that to me at ATS I think I wrote it down somewhere but he was an insider and got the same treatment ATS gives to anyone of importance :P
I will post that video on Pegasus Channel :D
Also of importance is that this is Tsiolkovsky Crater... the same place we thing holds the buried spacecraft that towed the moon and the mining operations and moving rocks... So here we have actual live NASA video talking about ships in that crater
Amazing that this doesn't get more noise :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdMgQ5nf2no
Quote from: zorgon on August 18, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
So here we have actual live NASA video talking about ships in that crater
We do? I don't understand most of what they say. :(
Quote from: zorgon on August 18, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
yeah if you listen carefully you will hear that they are using TWO CHANNELS a long contested argument. I forget the name of the guy who first brought that to me at ATS I think I wrote it down somewhere but he was an insider and got the same treatment ATS gives to anyone of importance :P
I will post that video on Pegasus Channel :D
Also of importance is that this is Tsiolkovsky Crater... the same place we thing holds the buried spacecraft that towed the moon and the mining operations and moving rocks... So here we have actual live NASA video talking about ships in that crater
Amazing that this doesn't get more noise :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdMgQ5nf2no
Z, you got me wondering exactly what was being said in the background on this video. So I found a free video/audio editor and extracted the audio to an mp3. I've been listening through the left and right channels and both together. So far i've found an astronaut in the background clearly say very excitedly,
"Thats a full circle"! (1:52 of the video) there's a short pause and then CAPCOM comes on and says, in the background something about " the next reporting time". I'm still trying to learn this software and it's hard picking stuff out of my laptop speakers. Will report more when I find more.
1:54 of the video
BTW I don't think he was talking about a crater!...
Rock
I used your idea of listening to 1 channel at a time Sarge. It helps a lot.
I too heard the "that's a full circle" comment and he sounds pretty excited.
Just BEFORE that he says "Hey THERE... close UP!" then right after "that's a full circle!"
I also agree about him not talking about a crater.
If one of my co- pilots got all excited about a crater being a circle, I would look at him sideways and say 'yeah... so?'
It's not like circular craters are a rarity on the Moon.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 18, 2013, 11:45:37 PM
We do? I don't understand most of what they say. :(
Classic, Armap! ;D
I givey you Gold for your Humour :)
We: as in the Collective
Quote from: zorgon on August 18, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
yeah if you listen carefully you will hear that they are using TWO CHANNELS a long contested argument. I forget the name of the guy who first brought that to me at ATS I think I wrote it down somewhere but he was an insider and got the same treatment ATS gives to anyone of importance :P
Is that 2 Channels on the Radio or 2 Channels of Audio that you are talking about Zorgs?
If the later, what was the purpose of that?
Chaps if your ever picking out speech on a recording that is difficult to discern, run it through an equaliser and lift the frequencies at and around 1 kilohertz. That is the most audible vocal area.
Elvis.