I bring this because We may need to add this to Our awareness if We haven't already, and if We have, it's good to bring to Consciousness to revive Our resolve to go a substantially different direction on this planet:
From: http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/09/28/agenda-21-revealed-you-need-to-know-this/
QuoteBy putting this data out here, I might be labeled a prominent member of the lunatic fringe but I believe we have an ethical obligation to present truth, as we see it. If I'm wrong – well, I'll be embarrassed but then I'll be relieved because maybe this insanity won't happen after all.
However, there is growing evidence this rotten egg called Agenda 21 has been hatching for quite some time, under our very noses. And it stinks.
At that momentous meeting, 178 nations signed the document; President Bush signed for the U.S. Later President Clinton signed an executive order, basically demanding compliance from every state and community with the goals and plans of Agenda 21 which is fast coming about as official policy in every town, city and state
Compassionate-sounding terms like "Population Stabilization" and "Sustainable Development" are simply masks for the true purpose of this United Nations plan – a world domination of your life and liberty, basically an insidious plot to control any and all parts of existence.
According to its authors, sustainability focuses on three things: "global land use, global education and global population control and reduction". Doesn't sound too bad, does it? However, in actual practice, these concepts pan out far below their lofty rhetoric.
The true objectives of Agenda 21, revealed, include an end to national sovereignty; restructure of the family unit which means basically the state will take care of your children, with a keen eye toward indoctrinating them into state control over family allegiance; abolition of private property with citizens crammed into "stack and pack", hi-rise apartment buildings, close to railroad tracks while cars will not be allowed.
Do read the whole at the link.
Quoteabolition of private property with citizens crammed into "stack and pack", hi-rise apartment buildings, close to railroad tracks while cars will not be allowed
Humm, sounds just like where I live. i can see the train station from my stack & pack window. Even in China the family group of 3 or more generations is starting to break up. It is called modern living. Mostly farm life has the 3 gens in one house so the entire family can help with everything. Besides, I like my own independance by not living in a 3 gen home. Visit, fine. Restristions, not fine.
Deuem, oh and global population is a very big problem, come take a visit...........
Global Pop is NOT the problem... Just sayin'. Being confined to stak-n-paks is.
If We had free energy personal vehicles, esp. electrogravitic, We could comfortably live much further apart and likely will choose to once the grid and "earning a living" give way to energy freedom and contributing with One's gifts.
Right now We throw out enough food to feed ALL of Us. Global production could feed about 12 billion.
The volume of Humanity would not fill one side canyon at the Grand Canyon.
EveryOne on the planet would fit with 1/4 acre apiece into Australia with a chunk left over. Australia is 4% of landmass EXcluding Antarctica.
Every One of Us could be put in the state of Texas and have WELL over 1000 sq. ft (closer by far to 1500).
Statistically speaking, Humans don't exist on this planet.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 03:04:08 AM
Right now We throw out enough food to feed ALL of Us. Global production could feed about 12 billion.
Like this?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5387.msg73286;topicseen#new
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Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 03:04:08 AM
Every One of Us could be put in the state of Texas and have WELL over 1000 sq. ft (closer by far to 1500).
Land mass alone is not good enough... it has to be economically VIABLE land mass. Nevada has hundreds of square miles of desert... but you couldn't live on it... not even the Natives that are local here could do that
QuoteStatistically speaking, Humans don't exist on this planet.
Hu-mons are like Ants... very few have the ability to live outside the hive. You CANNOT ignore that factor (yet you do :P )
On the other side of stack an pack, 2 days ago it was pouring rain and all i had to do was take the elevator to the parking floor, walk in the dry about 500 meters and go shopping. Go the other way and I get in to the sub floor of KFC. So who needs transportation when you have an elevator?
In many building in Hong Kong, one never needs to leave the stack, some even have schools.
It does make you feel like an ant from time to time but it frees up a lot of space outside for parks and farms. Most of the land mass here that I have seen so far is un-liveable, All mountains and hard to cultivate or build on.
I say very often that if 1/2 of the locals left, one would not even notice it.......
Deuem
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 03:31:29 AM
Like this?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5387.msg73286;topicseen#new
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Yup. Happens a lot. Other food disposal is more hidden so crowds WON'T come by.
the agenda.nwo.etc.to infinity.
we know who they are.but we do nothing but talk and text.
even the msm is an enemy of the state.the sheep are fat and ready to be slaughtered.and we talk and text.
i call my congressmen and point it all out and yet they just talk .give in to the thugs.
we could all move but where?work?where?.i feel like its a giant stalemate for us and a win win for the thieves.when do i get to eat steak and shrimp every night ?when do i get to live in a brownstone and be chaufered to work?
when is enough .enough?
or do we just talk and text?
when do we have freedom?
when we are dead?
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 03:34:27 AM
Land mass alone is not good enough... it has to be economically VIABLE land mass. Nevada has hundreds of square miles of desert... but you couldn't live on it... not even the Natives that are local here could do that
Hu-mons are like Ants... very few have the ability to live outside the hive. You CANNOT ignore that factor (yet you do :P )
z, there's still plenty of places for Humans to live on this planet & We're growing HUGE amounts of food on small plots so We now COULD grow enough to feed MANY times the number that are here now.
And if Australia is only 4% and can offer 1/4 acre, and since most don't take that much room, living in families, I think We'll be fine, space-wise. And add sky dwellings, You have fantastic space for all. Spaced evenly in habitable atmosphere We would easily have ten cubic miles apiece.
Quote from: deuem on September 29, 2013, 03:43:16 AM
On the other side of stack an pack, 2 days ago it was pouring rain and all i had to do was take the elevator to the parking floor, walk in the dry about 500 meters and go shopping. Go the other way and I get in to the sub floor of KFC. So who needs transportation when you have an elevator?
In many building in Hong Kong, one never needs to leave the stack, some even have schools.
It does make you feel like an ant from time to time but it frees up a lot of space outside for parks and farms. Most of the land mass here that I have seen so far is un-liveable, All mountains and hard to cultivate or build on.
I say very often that if 1/2 of the locals left, one would not even notice it.......
Deuem
Sounds ghastly to Me. Living in a stak-n-pak.
What if You had a self-sufficient flying house and hovered in the mountains and enjoyed the views?
Quote from: robomont on September 29, 2013, 03:53:57 AM
when is enough .enough?
or do we just talk and text?
when do we have freedom?
when we are dead?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-2ThFddglk
For sure, they have most peeps where they want them.
Next logical steps, aside from closing bank accounts
and credit lines....shut off wireless, and internet...
I am all good with the cell phone shut off,
without the internet we are cut off, aside from
land lines. Quite a dilemma...
amy.i believe the only issue is fresh water.mineral water will not work for growing crops.it has to be rain water or distilled some how.without it the ph will be off and crops will be prone to disease.that is why the returning soldiers are learning hydroponics.funny how potheads are leading the industry that will end up feeding the world.hydroponics actually takes less water due to none being lost to ground absorbtion.as the fresh water continues to get more mineralised.crops will be less productive.there is only so much high purity water and rain can only supply so much.
there is actually three acres per son on this planet .i think.but as z said.its useless unless you can sustain population on cactus.
Envision Dean Kamen's water purification device run on free energy...
I'm thinking We have the water issue licked.
this video sums up my view of this entire thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547kWkkexZs
QuoteWhat if You had a self-sufficient flying house and hovered in the mountains and enjoyed the views?
It would be great if I was the only one. With my luck I would be next to 100,000 other similar craft and could not see a thing. And every one on land would complain i am blocking the view and beep at me to move.
I could see it now, the way they drive here, they would fly their homes the same way. What a mess. Everyone wants to be first and they drive anywhere they want to to do that. Even come into your on-comming lane and beep at you for being in the way.
Where I left thay had drivers ed and rules, Here they have none. new drivers put red flags on the wheels if it is a new car. That is it. Red lights are mostly for decoration like Christmas lights. What do you think they would do with a floating home?
They would float to the States.........
Deuem
Just my two cents worth: the majority of the people have lost their survival skills; they cannot live outside the hive or ant hill; they are called city dwellers for a reason...
Free energy is not a cure-all; it would make some things a lot easier for most people, would save me some $$$ if i didn' t have to pay for electricity; getting my truck to run on nothing but water would save even more...
But we all still have to have food, and it takes time and good growing conditions; look at all the rain this year in georgia; no drought, but too damn wet for crops to survive...the tomatoes and okra did well, everything else drowned...
TAP is a wonderful concept, Amy, but even if free energy was made available to us today it would be years before we saw a major effect and/or benefit for the average person...
Seeker
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 03:04:08 AM
If We had free energy personal vehicles, esp. electrogravitic, We could comfortably live much further apart and likely will choose to once the grid and "earning a living" give way to energy freedom and contributing with One's gifts.
As we say in Portugal, if my grandmother had a penis she would be my grandfather. :P
"If"s, by themselves, solve nothing, what we need is workable "what if"s.
Good point Deuem ;D
Actually, if we put a big mag field around the craft / home (if it wasn't making one already) then they would keep themselves spaced apart, and they would never crash, just bounce off each other.
Of course, every home would have grab bars & seatbelts etc :P
Amy still has a good point.
With a free energy source at hand, you could run pumps, stills etc, water purifiers, floodlights for the crops (in case those pesky flying homes make it too dark ;) )
Everything is based on energy, so everything could become free. Simple :P
I live in the most densely populated country in the world, yes more peeps per acre even than Hong Kong.
16 million in a country smaller than Scotland.
OK the land is fertile here, but even so most of our produce comes from Spain etc.
We could still do that, but then the transport between countries will be free, so everything can get shared equally amongst the peeps.
And there would be more incentive for locally made stuff anyway, since peeps will soon get bored & start tinkering.
At least, i would, LOL
But i suspect that A21 is a serious issue, one we must find alternatives for, and not the virus attack laid out in Dan Brown's latest book ::)
Quote from: deuem on September 29, 2013, 09:24:09 AM
It would be great if I was the only one. With my luck I would be next to 100,000 other similar craft and could not see a thing. And every one on land would complain i am blocking the view and beep at me to move.
LOLOL! With billions and billions of acres on this planet, I doubt People will choose to bunch up except where They choose to be together for reasons of family and common interests.
QuoteI could see it now, the way they drive here, they would fly their homes the same way. What a mess. Everyone wants to be first and they drive anywhere they want to to do that. Even come into your on-comming lane and beep at you for being in the way.
Doubtful. When all travel is confined to effectively two dimensions and narrow lanes at that, there will be congestion and rushing and all that. Add a third dimension, and no confines, seeing another vehicle closely will be rare.
QuoteWhere I left thay had drivers ed and rules, Here they have none. new drivers put red flags on the wheels if it is a new car. That is it. Red lights are mostly for decoration like Christmas lights. What do you think they would do with a floating home?
They would float to the States.........
Deuem
And in fact, I see People floating all over the planet. But with an average per Human - from newborn to just barely hanging on - of at least ten cubic miles, and with communities sharing common space, random encounters from outside will also be rare.
Quote from: the seeker on September 29, 2013, 12:35:59 PM
TAP is a wonderful concept, Amy, but even if free energy was made available to us today it would be years before we saw a major effect and/or benefit for the average person...
Seeker
I disagree. Depends on how focused We are on eliminating the need for money. If awareness hits the tipping point, and with that focus, from the time FE is released, I give it 5-10 years before everything is free and no One HAS to add Human energy into robotic jobs, with ENOUGH People interested in any given aspect to keep it running.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 29, 2013, 02:58:10 PM
As we say in Portugal, if my grandmother had a penis she would be my grandfather. :P
"If"s, by themselves, solve nothing, what we need is workable "what if"s.
ArMaP, should I have phrased that as a question?
"What if We had free energy personal vehicles, esp. electrogravitic? We could comfortably live much further apart and likely will choose to once the grid and "earning a living" give way to energy freedom and contributing with One's gifts."
Is that better? Geez.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 05:51:12 PM
ArMaP, should I have phrased that as a question?
"What if We had free energy personal vehicles, esp. electrogravitic? We could comfortably live much further apart and likely will choose to once the grid and "earning a living" give way to energy freedom and contributing with One's gifts."
Is that better? Geez.
Be careful what you wish for...Many people do not care about their environment...if we space out the populations with these sorts of people there would be far more devastation to the planet if people occupied MORE of it. I really like the idea of Free everything, but unless this includes the PEOPLE themselves there will always be someone who desires what another person haves (this could be in the form of a mate as well). How do you propose to fundamentally alter the entire population's behavior to allow TAP to happen?
I think it will take a bit longer than 10 years, but it will have to happen sooner or later. Better environment=better people, who in turn will try to better the environment around them, which will change yet more people etc etc.
Think of it as an upwards spiral, instead of a downward one (which we seem to be in at this time, LOL )
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 05:44:38 PM
I doubt People will choose to bunch up
Well you may doubt it but then you would be ignoring thousands of years of hu-mon history that proves otherwise.
I made myself a CROWN....
...explain to me why people bow to me ;)
Quote from: the seeker on September 29, 2013, 12:35:59 PM
Just my two cents worth: the majority of the people have lost their survival skills; they cannot live outside the hive or ant hill; they are called city dwellers for a reason...
This is not new...
the MAJORITY of people have NEVER had the skills to survive on their own, nor the DESIRE to learn them. (Easier to let someone else do that work) Since the first group of cavemen formed a unit this has been the case. Has nothing to do with money, but SAFETY IN NUMBERS
The weak ( the majority of people ) will ALWAYS seek out the strong for protection, whether that protection is from animals, the elements, their neighbors or the bully down the street. The majority of people are basically weak and lazy and require a shepherd. Most are... yes I will say it, USELESS EATERS :P
Free energy will not change this basic truth...
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 05:51:12 PM
ArMaP, should I have phrased that as a question?
Sorry for not being clear and for thinking too much like a programmer. ;D
What I meant was that things like "if we had ..." (or "what if we had", which, to me, it's exactly the same thing, I didn't think of that) are more wishful thinking than something like "what if we do X to see if we can get to Y?".
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 06:54:16 PM
the MAJORITY of people have NEVER had the skills to survive on their own, nor the DESIRE to learn them.
If I had to survive on my own I would have died when I was 5 years old. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 29, 2013, 06:55:24 PM
"what if we do X to see if we can get to Y?".
Yes more better :P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArPXwkwQMP4
On the same subject as Agenda 21; the above is a link to Esoteric Agenda, Ben Stewart's film regarding the Eye and the overall plan that it has, most immediately for humanity, but by extension, for carbon based life as a whole. I consider it a critically important introduction or briefing, for anyone who wishes to understand the current scenario.
This is the Enemy. This is who and what we as a species must overcome, if we wish to survive longer than the next 100 years. At stake is the Eye's attempt to initialise and establish, what might formally be known as a Fourth Density, Service to Self polarised society. If they succeed, said society will become irremovable, and we will lose this planet.
They must not be permitted to succeed.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 29, 2013, 06:57:35 PM
If I had to survive on my own I would have died when I was 5 years old. :)
Possibly ;)
When the USA was created as the New World home for the free.... only a small handful of men had the guts to start the process... When it came time to stand up and be counted only 20 percent of "We the People..." took up arms to fight for this freedom. 20 percent is actually a LARGE amount as far as most things go...the ratio is usually closer to 10 percent of doers vs followers, maybe even closer to 5 percent
Quote from: petrus4 on September 29, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
regarding the Eye and the overall plan that it has, most immediately for humanity,
Ben Franklin created THIS EYE
(http://www.dw-jotd.com/images/great_seal_obverse.png)
THIS was the first flag of the USA
(http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/us_flagprop1.jpg)
Ben Franklin and the other "Illuminati" of the time gave you AMERICA, land of the FREE home of the BRAVE
Until 1914 it was... and because of that action on Ben's (and the other founders) part, you have the FREEDOM to say what you wish, even if you are WRONG :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 07:08:13 PM
Ben Franklin created THIS EYE
(http://www.dw-jotd.com/images/great_seal_obverse.png)
THIS was the first flag of the USA
(http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/us_flagprop1.jpg)
Until 1914 it was... FREEDOM to say what you wish, even if you are WRONG :P
Allow me to correct that sir,
FREEDUMB
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 07:08:13 PM
Ben Franklin and the other "Illuminati" of the time gave you AMERICA, land of the FREE home of the BRAVE
Until 1914 it was... and because of that action on Ben's (and the other founders) part, you have the FREEDOM to say what you wish, even if you are WRONG :P
While your defensiveness is understandable, Zorgon, at this point it is unnecessary. I have begun to revise my own position recently, concerning the American public, as opposed to its' government.
This is because I have recently become aware of the fact, that the goal is to estrange the American people and the rest of the planet, on the basis of the actions of the American government. This is also why all of these wars have been engaged in by said government. The objective is for the entirety of the rest of humanity to begin to view America as an overall country as a threat, so that there will be plausibly justifiable pretext, in the United Nations, via Russia and China, attempting to invade America and turning it into a U.N. protectorate.
As a result, I have realised that mental clarity and objectivity is a necessity, where this is concerned; and more, that solidarity between the American public, and other civilian populations is important, in order to prevent a blanket condemnation of the entire country, which would then be used as a basis for said U.N. action.
The estrangement and alienation must be halted, and if possible, reversed. We must begin to realise that the real problem is our willingness, to allow ourselves to continue to be manipulated by our governments.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 29, 2013, 06:12:17 PM
Be careful what you wish for...Many people do not care about their environment...if we space out the populations with these sorts of people there would be far more devastation to the planet if people occupied MORE of it. I really like the idea of Free everything, but unless this includes the PEOPLE themselves there will always be someone who desires what another person haves (this could be in the form of a mate as well). How do you propose to fundamentally alter the entire population's behavior to allow TAP to happen?
In this world as it is now, yes. But I believe through education, and with robots to handle messes, and with a strong promotion of the Betterment Ethic We can overcome the issues of indifference to Our planet. It's not "fundamentally" changing anything, but IS a path to helping alleviate issues.
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 06:47:32 PM
Well you may doubt it but then you would be ignoring thousands of years of hu-mon history that proves otherwise.
I made myself a CROWN....
...explain to me why people bow to me ;)
Um... We bunched up because of attractors - like water, food, grids. With the grid gone, the ability to deliver food anywhere, and the ability to filter water for use anywhere, why would You use history as a map of expectations? They never had those things.
EDIT to add: I have no clue why People playing pretend past would choose to bow to someOne else. Personal insecurity, perhaps?
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 06:54:16 PM
This is not new...
the MAJORITY of people have NEVER had the skills to survive on their own, nor the DESIRE to learn them. (Easier to let someone else do that work) Since the first group of cavemen formed a unit this has been the case. Has nothing to do with money, but SAFETY IN NUMBERS
The weak ( the majority of people ) will ALWAYS seek out the strong for protection, whether that protection is from animals, the elements, their neighbors or the bully down the street. The majority of people are basically weak and lazy and require a shepherd. Most are... yes I will say it, USELESS EATERS :P
Free energy will not change this basic truth...
LOLOL! I will have robots for that.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 07:50:06 PM
Um... We bunched up because of attractors - like water, food, grids. With the grid gone, the ability to deliver food anywhere, and the ability to filter water for use anywhere, why would You use history as a map of expectations? They never had those things.
They never had those things? When this started they didn't NEED free energy to filter water... the water was clean and safe to drink :P
QuoteI have no clue why People playing pretend past would choose to bow to someOne else. Personal insecurity, perhaps?
Correct... you have no clue. When you figure it out you will see my point ;)
Quote from: petrus4 on September 29, 2013, 07:26:44 PM
We must begin to realise that the real problem is our willingness, to allow ourselves to continue to be manipulated by our governments.
THIS person :P however gets it ;)
As to your comment "People playing pretend past"
You just don't get it... it is a lifestyle with support group... the motto is living the Medieval Times as they SHOULD have been
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
LOLOL! I will have robots for that.
Ah yes... that "I" So now the truth reveals itself :P
(http://blog.silive.com/sinotebook/2009/07/large_Robocop-ED-209-robot.jpg)
Well THESE people that are living examples of Pets-R-Us's WILLINGNESS will smash your Robots :P
(http://www.vivelohoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/93497085_result.jpg)
and these ones too...
(http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2011/05/jp2-2.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 07:57:27 PM
THIS person :P however gets it ;)
I have been a leader before, Zorgon. Not for very long, necessarily; but long enough, perhaps.
Amy, to answer your question; other individuals become willing to relinquish their own sovereignty to someone, when they believe that the person to whom they delegate, will be able to meet their needs more effectively than they can themselves. The reason why people today are unwilling to give up their attachments to government, is because they have no faith in their ability to co-ordinate, or meet their own needs. They think that they need government to tell them what to do, and how to do it.
It is the burden of the
Kshatriya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshatriya), that others seem to be able to identify us instinctively. That is the main reason why I have remained largely in seclusion.
Zorgon embraces it. I have not.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
I will have robots for that.
Cue Hal:
Alas, who will build them?
You may say, robots of course will build and maintain each other.
Yet, robots are only a manifest of their human programming,
and will be flawed.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
In this world as it is now, yes. But I believe through education, and with robots to handle messes, and with a strong promotion of the Betterment Ethic We can overcome the issues of indifference to Our planet. It's not "fundamentally" changing anything, but IS a path to helping alleviate issues.
I feel it will take a particular sort of education...the kind you DON'T deviate from "or else" sort of education...oh wait that is behavioral modification programs. You want to "MAKE" humans love and respect each other and the planet. If you were to modify a virus to love and respect what would you have created? You can not take away the things that make us human and still call us as such. Even in Star-Trek utopian societies there is still the human nature issues poppping up in the most advanced of civilizations. :P
Quote from: petrus4 on September 29, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Amy, to answer your question; other individuals become willing to relinquish their own sovereignty to someone, when they believe that the person to whom they delegate, will be able to meet their needs more effectively than they can themselves.
GOLD for that one :D
QuoteThe reason why people today are unwilling to give up their attachments to government, is because they have no faith in their ability to co-ordinate, or meet their own needs. They think that they need government to tell them what to do, and how to do it.
They may or may not need "government" but many will still need a leader. Simple common sense dictates (:P) that you cannot just have billions of people running around doing whatever they want. For every person that will honor fair play, there will be at least one that will not.
QuoteZorgon embraces it. I have not.
Well fair enough... it is as Amy would say my "Bliss" to help others. Hitler used the same Willingness to create an evil empire. But he forgot one important factor... Evil, by its very nature, is destructive, so he was doomed to fail. How did he get as far as he did? Simple he made people believe that he was the best way for them to get what they want. When they discovered the truth it was almost too late... almost... because he didn't prevail
Why do they bow to me? Simply out of respect because I follow that old rule... "Build it and they will Come" I have provided what they need. The bow is nothing more than a thank you handshake... they have not pledged their lives to me ;)
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 08:17:27 PM
they have not pledged their lives to me ;)
Don't sound so dissapointed. Your just not offering the right things. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szv6IYpLbiE
Agenda 21 is a ZOMBIE sanction on all humanity. We will take care of you, just do as we say. That is till you F'up and they stomp you for gettin all uppity and such.
It's conditioning to obey rule no matter how deathly demanding cause they have control over you and your future. You wanna eat, obey, you wanna new car, obey, you wanna live like it's 1984.
Robots operate on the ladder logic principle and I believe they have sentient logic operating within synthetic devices here and now. The robot could be self healing/maintaining. The life cycle of parts could be extended by exotic metallurgy and virtual nano composite technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01hbkh4hXEk
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 08:17:27 PM
GOLD for that one :D
Sometimes I miss my guild.
It was a strange thing, how it worked. I never really sought it; in fact, that I did not want it, was what led to the group's dissolution. Yet I trained, alone, for months; for no real reason other than purely because I wanted to do so. When the guild came, it happened because I was more effective at what I did than any of them, and they repeatedly saw that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWRfWr65rlg - There were times when I told my team to follow this rule; and when they did, we won. There were also times, however, when I would go ahead of them, alone; and at such times, the Alliance were made to know that although we were a ten man group facing them, ultimately, they answered to
me.
Warsong Gulch was Capture the Flag. CTF is largely a defensive, attrition-based game, like rugby. It is only won by pushing; the team that wins is the team with the greater will. Defensive tactics are what I learned in WoW, and they are what I have used in every other game I have played since.
There is nothing better. Offense is bad, because it requires you to know the strength of the enemy, and it can also allow them to choose where and how you fight. Look at the riot police at every protest, in the media. They always have plastic shields, which are only incrementally different in shape to what Leonidas had. They know how to fight; Occupy did not. Occupy did not think that they had to fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rgJgZ6o-iw
If you defend properly, and you do not let yourself get flanked, you can defeat an enemy 10 times your own strength. Leonidas only lost when he did, because the Persians gained the means to flank him. If they had not obtained that from an informant, he probably would have held for much longer. I always assume that the target is much stronger than I am. Sometimes, even if they are able to identify what I am doing, it still will not help them.
The problem with the psychopaths, as Zorgon says, is that they deceive people. Charisma is intended to inspire people to greater ability than what they would have otherwise; psychopaths, on the other hand, use it to cause the public to falsely believe that they will advance said public's interests.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 29, 2013, 06:55:24 PM
Sorry for not being clear and for thinking too much like a programmer. ;D
What I meant was that things like "if we had ..." (or "what if we had", which, to me, it's exactly the same thing, I didn't think of that) are more wishful thinking than something like "what if we do X to see if we can get to Y?".
Gotcha. Ok.
What if We:
1. Spread awareness to the tipping point that free energy=no need for money
2. Allowed either toadies who see that They will live as richly - or more so - to release free energy tech, or private inventors to have breakthroughs as more and more work on it.
3. Spend taxes to replace or retrofit with free energy, using BEST design, not planned obsolescence, in business, industry, agriculture, transportation and homes.
4. Spend taxes to replace workers who don't WANT to do the job They have with either Those who would LOVE it or robots.
5. Spend taxes supporting Those who need it from losing jobs in the transition
6. Promote the Betterment Ethic (and who of caring heart would eschew the Betterment Ethic?)
7. Teach Our children to find Their gifts and develop Them.
?
z
there's no such thing as an useless eater! everyone has value and merit and a destiny of their own. people should not be valued by how much or how little they fit into your world view. shame on ya. ???
Quote"If"s, by themselves, solve nothing, what we need is workable "what if"s.
Yes, that's why we are working on the 'how to' part of it.
Along with free energy comes a whole new concept, even a whole new way of life.
Peeps have to adapt yes, but they are amazingly good at it ;)
Quote...explain to me why people bow to me
...I have no idea ::)
QuoteThe weak ( the majority of people ) will ALWAYS seek out the strong for protection, whether that protection is from animals, the elements, their neighbors or the bully down the street. The majority of people are basically weak and lazy and require a shepherd. Most are... yes I will say it, USELESS EATERS
Free energy will not change this basic truth...
Probably not, but let's just be a little presumtious & say that WE who are AWARE are the shepherds................
Remember, we have already changed, ouselves, since we joined Pegy, didn't we?
I know I have, i hope i'm a better person than i was 2 years ago,
before PRC existed.
Less than 2 years, and we are already starting to make a serious dent in the society around us.
Some peeps are getting p'ed of at that, but thousands more will be 'gravitating' towards us.
Our duty is to see that they are well recieved, enlightened, & they can join us in thrashing out some kind of a plan, future-wise ;)
Our path is quite clear, we each of us intuitively knows what they have to do......
QuoteThis is the Enemy. This is who and what we as a species must overcome, if we wish to survive longer than the next 100 years. At stake is the Eye's attempt to initialise and establish, what might formally be known as a Fourth Density, Service to Self polarised society. If they succeed, said society will become irremovable, and we will lose this planet.
They must not be permitted to succeed.
GOLD for that, Petrus, non pax illegitemi carborundum etc. Don't let the bar-stewards grind you down, LOL
QuoteThis is because I have recently become aware of the fact, that the goal is to estrange the American people and the rest of the planet, on the basis of the actions of the American government.
Yes we know this, i hate the US Gubmint, but should i then hate all Americans?
most of you are Americans, but i love you anyway :P
Nobody's perfect ::)
Will read on later, have 2 go, bye....
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 07:57:27 PM
They never had those things? When this started they didn't NEED free energy to filter water... the water was clean and safe to drink :P
Not the point and Ya know it. :P Point is potable water was not EVERYWHERE so a source became an attractor. Having the ability to filter sea water as You float over it or water from a muddy pool (with large onboard storage) effectively gives gives One access EVERYWHERE.
QuoteCorrect... you have no clue. When you figure it out you will see my point ;)
I figured it out. Lack of personal confidence.
QuoteTHIS person :P however gets it ;)
While I agree that "allowing" Ourselves to be led is a manifestation of Their handing of Humanity, an emergent behavior of Ours based on Their efforts, I cannot agree that is the root problem. The root problem is that We have a money system.
Again, ALL money systems promote the psychopaths to the top, and when that happens, One can expect Them to conspire, with all power They have, to beat the rest of Us into submission. And They do all They can, from legislation to media to "education" to propaganda to hidden heinousness in "geoengineering," and on and on.
QuoteAs to your comment "People playing pretend past"
You just don't get it... it is a lifestyle with support group... the motto is living the Medieval Times as they SHOULD have been
Yeah I get it. I was involved peripherally with the SCA for a fair while, but when You get down to it, You all are pretending this king thing. How long would it last if You got down to the real and collected real funds, real gold, real gems from Your vassals? Death and taxes.
Yeah, it's a great stress reliever from the real, if You're into it. Like many other forms of recreation.
Quote from: deuem on September 29, 2013, 01:59:48 AM
oh and global population is a very big problem
that problem was created artificially by mr. mao.
it's not the natural ebb and flow of society, in other words.
when the price of things began to inflate in western societies, we quit having large families, particularly so we wouldn't get thrown in jail or have our children taken away if we couldn't maintain the quality of life standards imposed on us. other reasons such as various life choices, lowered the amount as well.
no such societal, cultural or economic standard was imposed on muslim nations. in fact, their religion encourages large families and as a result, their populations are skyrocketing, necessitating that they import their excess populations to richer (or seemingly richer) countries. this is also an example of artificially created population growth, not the natural ebb and flow of society.
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2013, 08:04:43 PM
Ah yes... that "I" So now the truth reveals itself :P
(http://blog.silive.com/sinotebook/2009/07/large_Robocop-ED-209-robot.jpg)
Well THESE people that are living examples of Pets-R-Us's WILLINGNESS will smash your Robots :P
(http://www.vivelohoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/93497085_result.jpg)
and these ones too...
(http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2011/05/jp2-2.jpg)
For now, I won't visit. Meh. [shrug]
Quote from: petrus4 on September 29, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
I have been a leader before, Zorgon. Not for very long, necessarily; but long enough, perhaps.
Amy, to answer your question; other individuals become willing to relinquish their own sovereignty to someone, when they believe that the person to whom they delegate, will be able to meet their needs more effectively than they can themselves. The reason why people today are unwilling to give up their attachments to government, is because they have no faith in their ability to co-ordinate, or meet their own needs. They think that they need government to tell them what to do, and how to do it.
And *I* say that is because They have been TAUGHT, CONDITIONED to believe that.
This is such a fascinating topic and everyone has said some great stuff, to be contemplated.
I have a couple things to ad to the mix. For one thing, I believe "Agenda 21" has been around for quite sometime I think, it is just in recent times that people have read it and brought it out into the light. I have to admit, I have not read it all. But I believe we are in for a "Great Change", I for one , can only be changed just so much, I am old. But the things you speak of now, will be quite acceptable to the generations to come, as it always has been, leaps by generations, each leaving the old in the dust. That , Amaterasu is your "hope".
There may even be some good stuff in "Agenda 21". I also believe there may be another thing that would keep people in groups, I also. believe in the "hive" theory. I believe that we will eventually live under domes, as our weather continues to deteriorate, it will become necessary, for continuation of our species. I am sure that there will be those that choose not to dwell inside a dome, so a little something for everyone.
I don't believe jobs will ever, be again, like in "our" time, but one thing for sure, in our future we will need to find something to attract the attention of the humans, or there will always be trouble. I agree humans are humans, a huge mixed bag of "some not so good intentions"! Even if blessed with the "good" life.
One thing that concerns me also, some have voiced this before me. Is the fact that somehow we need to overcome the vast "corruption" that we are experiencing currently, to even have a chance at what could be a "glorious" future. :)
Quote from: Phedre on September 30, 2013, 12:58:19 AM
I don't believe jobs will ever, be again, like in "our" time, but one thing for sure, in our future we will need to find something to attract the attention of the humans, or there will always be trouble. I agree humans are humans, a huge mixed bag of "some not so good intentions"! Even if blessed with the "good" life.
We are measuring the behavior of People who are living in scarcity, remember. The reason People in scarcity "act up" has mostly to do with being bored because They can't AFFORD what They REALLY want to do.
And even in scarcity, We don't become "trouble" as a rule. Look at all the unemployed People with no money (can't afford what They REALLY want to do) that are NOT choosing poor behavior.
QuoteOne thing that concerns me also, some have voiced this before me. Is the fact that somehow we need to overcome the vast "corruption" that we are experiencing currently, to even have a chance at what could be a "glorious" future. :)
What is the motive to "corruption?" Money/power, n'est pas? If We get rid of money, the power over Others it affords also vanishes.
So... Add free energy, robots, interweb governance and there will be no "corruption."
Quote from: undo11 on September 29, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
z
there's no such thing as an useless eater! everyone has value and merit and a destiny of their own. people should not be valued by how much or how little they fit into your world view. shame on ya. ???
The state of a person depends on breading and education. Meaning in-or poor breading and no education brings a person down to the function of life and is a drain on society. In the wild the other animals would pick them off for a snack. I have been around the world and to a few 3rd world, 2nd world and 1st world nations. This collection of useless eaters is everywhere. What does a country do with them. It is amazing they can remember how to eat.
I know they have as much right to live as I do but our society is wrapped up in higher level living standards and just ignores this problem. Education is a key. Without it people are like bricks, they know nothing and are forced to live on the side lines.
I would say that everyone here has an education otherwise you would not even know what a computer or the net was. here are many people still out there that don't even know what a car is.
Either society has to waste these people or reach into the cesspool and pull them out. The only group large enough to do this in most countries is the goberment and they are too busy with their own agenda.......
This is more of an assesment than an opinion.
Quote7. Teach Our children to find Their gifts and develop Them.
Perfect in Deuems book. It is something that we did mnay years ago but have lost that idea. I try to do this with all children.
QuoteRemember, we have already changed, ouselves, since we joined Pegy, didn't we?
I know I have, i hope i'm a better person than i was 2 years ago, before PRC existed.
Dittto..
Quotethat problem was created artificially by mr. mao
Thank you Mr Mao, with 1.6 billion people playing the game, it is only a matter of time before they buy the states and we will all be working for them.
Rice anyone?
Deuem
Quote from: Phedre on September 30, 2013, 12:58:19 AM
One thing that concerns me also, some have voiced this before me. Is the fact that somehow we need to overcome the vast "corruption" that we are experiencing currently, to even have a chance at what could be a "glorious" future. :)
Ahh corruption and transhumanism...There is a videogame called DeusEx that paints a realistic vision of this sort of future...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq5KWLqUewc
All the decisions in the game awaken your character to the transhumanist agenda and your decisions influence the outcome as you get an opportunity to stop it or embrace it. Very thought provoking game.
Quote from: deuem on September 30, 2013, 01:33:36 AM
The state of a person depends on breading and education. Meaning in-or poor breading and no education brings a person down to the function of life and is a drain on society. In the wild the other animals would pick them off for a snack. I have been around the world and to a few 3rd world, 2nd world and 1st world nations. This collection of useless eaters is everywhere. What does a country do with them. It is amazing they can remember how to eat.
First... I think You mean "breeding..." "Breading" is what You might dip chicken in before frying. (Sorry - I just cracked up at the idea that the state of a person depends on breading and education. LOL!)
Second, NO Human is a "useless eater." Many (virtually ALL) cannot offer Their gifts because They were never afforded the opportunity to develop them. They could not get a good education, They couldn't afford a guitar, They had no pencils or paper, or whatever other tool Their gift worked with.
Third, what the PLANET can do is afford Them Their gifts. By adding free energy.
QuoteI know they have as much right to live as I do but our society is wrapped up in higher level living standards and just ignores this problem. Education is a key. Without it people are like bricks, they know nothing and are forced to live on the side lines.
Very true. Fortunately, the interweb is slowly covering the globe, making Self education a possibility so many have never had before. This will help. The thing is, the system is not designed to allow EVERYONE to win. In fact, it is designed to offer the least opportunity it can. This means that education or not, most will be poor.
The solution is to change it up. Do We do the money system all over again? Even though just now in history (We have, that is) We can do something different for the first time? Isn't doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results the (a) definition of insanity?
Add free energy, robots, interweb governance, the Betterment Ethic, and Humanity will shine beyond every expectation.
QuoteI would say that everyone here has an education otherwise you would not even know what a computer or the net was. here are many people still out there that don't even know what a car is.
There is some relative aspect to education, but yeah. As for Those that don't know what a car is, statistically speaking, They don't exist. Likely less than 1% of the population.
QuoteEither society has to waste these people or reach into the cesspool and pull them out. The only group large enough to do this in most countries is the goberment and they are too busy with their own agenda.......
Or, remove the requirement of exchange to survive. Then We're all on Our own and what counts is how We choose to behave.
QuoteThank you Mr Mao, with 1.6 billion people playing the game, it is only a matter of time before they buy the states and we will all be working for them.
Rice anyone?
Deuem
Unless... Well, You know. We make a different choice.
Quote from: deuem on September 30, 2013, 01:33:36 AM
The state of a person depends on breading and education. Meaning in-or poor breading and no education brings a person down to the function of life and is a drain on society. In the wild the other animals would pick them off for a snack. I have been around the world and to a few 3rd world, 2nd world and 1st world nations. This collection of useless eaters is everywhere. What does a country do with them. It is amazing they can remember how to eat.
no one is a drain on society. the society drains itself with improper laws and corruption. we are not animals, only our flesh is an animal, but we are possessed of higher functions. for one, we are autonomous beings who only willingly relinquish control, even in the case of brain washing -- we make the conscious choice to allow our free will to be dominated by a view we didn't have prior to that point. this is true, even as children. we make choices. those choices color our path. at any point along our paths, we can and do change directions, but always as a result of our own choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FToHabxSVYg
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2013, 11:12:06 PM
And *I* say that is because They have been TAUGHT, CONDITIONED to believe that.
I am not disagreeing with you, Amy. Or let me put it another way. I agree with Zorgon in the sense that, to a certain extent, according to my own observation, the caste is inherent; but where he and I disagree, is that I believe that it is undesirable, and an attempt should be made to transcend it, if it is possible.
Then again, if the scriptures are true, it is not the caste itself which is at fault; it is our corrupt, and incorrect implementation of it.
If a person is wasted from birth, to change thet is almost impossible. I don't know how free energy will take away breeding problems or most types of education. Electricity is a problem but not the number one problem. I would love free electricity. yea leave the AC on 24/7 In a way that would make me even more lazy than I am now. The real problem is what other people do with the power money, Not the power grid. When power is free then the person who sells wheat will be in control. I want my beer. Then the fridge people will be next because I like it cold.
Here they recently passed some new laws on education like the states. Every child must get one and it is free of charge through the 9th grade. They even feed them breakfast at school ( we pay for that )
I have done my share of research here on breedind and also breading ( hey it was early for Deuem ). Seems that only a few generations ago, no one kept track of who was who. What families married who? They have been doing that now with family books and tracking relatives so no more in-breeding takes place. So now the men have to leave their area to get a wife and then return while the women leave for good when married. So the gene pool is now being spread out. Having very strong family ties it is very east to find entire villages of the same family. Hundreds to thousands of relatives in the same place.
At home we just take this for granted because of all the different groups of people blended into one country. Most countries are not like the US. When I walk around here, everyone looks at me as being way out of place. All I see is Chinese. In the states I see everyone.
By the way, in the 13 years I have been here, electricity costs have stayed the same. It is a goberment company and regulated so the poor can afford it. I pay 1 rmb per Kv = to 1USD per 6kv. It has been the only constand over the years. i don't know how they do it but they do.. The minimum wage in that time has more than trippled.
Deuem
Quote from: Phedre on September 30, 2013, 12:58:19 AM
One thing that concerns me also, some have voiced this before me. Is the fact that somehow we need to overcome the vast "corruption" that we are experiencing currently, to even have a chance at what could be a "glorious" future. :)
Doing that would be relatively easy, at least in principle. Devise a working means of diagnosing the psychopaths, and make sure that every infant is checked at birth. All those found with neurological psychopathy would either be raised in isolation and incarcerated for life, or euthanised, depending on which was believed to be the more humane option.
That would be the temporary solution. The more permanent solution would be to include knowledge of the psychological vulnerabilities which Hitler documented in
Mein Kampf, as part of the education. Children or teenagers of an appropriate age would be taught about these pathological elements, and thus also how to psychologically innoculate themselves, by recognising when said tactics were being employed against them.
As a result of this, and with the gradual transition of the energetic environment to almost exclusively the Service to Others polarity, eventually Service to Self polarised individuals (the Lizard Hearted, or psychopaths) would cease incarnating here entirely, because they would have no audience that would be receptive to their power manipulation games.
An integral part of the education process would also necessarily include teaching every individual to have inherent faith in themselves and their abilities. If we ever wish to free ourselves from the need for government, self-confidence must become universal.
Quote from: deuem on September 30, 2013, 01:33:36 AM
The state of a person depends on breading and education. Meaning in-or poor breading and no education brings a person down to the function of life and is a drain on society.
The more we learn about genetics, the less important it becomes. Education and an avoidance of psychological trauma during formative age, is much more significant than the genetic profile at birth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36HquPzdxf4
Quote from: petrus4 on September 30, 2013, 02:42:28 AM
I am not disagreeing with you, Amy. Or let me put it another way. I agree with Zorgon in the sense that, to a certain extent, according to my own observation, the caste is inherent; but where he and I disagree, is that I believe that it is undesirable, and an attempt should be made to transcend it, if it is possible.
Then again, if the scriptures are true, it is not the caste itself which is at fault; it is our corrupt, and incorrect implementation of it.
I disagree that it is "inherent." In early societies, "primitive" ones, often is seen respect for all tasks performed, all Human meaningful energy expended was respected, and there was no caste. When the idea of money was corrupted by the love of it, and taken advantage of by the psychopaths which it promotes, THEY began promoting castes. It divided and helped conquer.
And if all One is taught is that system, it is a struggle to remove Oneself and ask if it is natural. It is not. What IS natural is willingness to help solve problems, and stigmergic interaction. Money systems have yoked Humanity for a very long time, with psychopaths ruling.
I cannot see any "correct" application of it, and suspect that was added in to reinforce that notion in the sheep.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 30, 2013, 03:35:11 AM
I disagree that it is "inherent." In early societies, "primitive" ones, often is seen respect for all tasks performed, all Human meaningful energy expended was respected, and there was no caste.
I know of no indigenous society that had no chief, however; irrespective of how limited the role in individual cases might have been. To that extent at least, social hierarchy exists among some types of animals, as well.
QuoteWhen the idea of money was corrupted by the love of it, and taken advantage of by the psychopaths which it promotes, THEY began promoting castes. It divided and helped conquer.
I will agree with this where stationary, agricultural societies are concerned, yes; and of course, it grew out and progressed from there.
QuoteAnd if all One is taught is that system, it is a struggle to remove Oneself and ask if it is natural. It is not. What IS natural is willingness to help solve problems, and stigmergic interaction. Money systems have yoked Humanity for a very long time, with psychopaths ruling.
Again, I can agree with this. I have observed that Capitalism's dominance has been primarily due to the willingness of its' advocates, to murder those who practiced different systems.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 30, 2013, 04:28:00 AM
I know of no indigenous society that had no chief, however; irrespective of how limited the role in individual cases might have been. To that extent at least, social hierarchy exists among some types of animals, as well.
True, but in such cases, the leader was most respected, but was not "above," per se, the rest. It was less a hierarchic structure, like a caste, as it was the stigmergic emergence of the leaders.
Quote from: undo11 on September 30, 2013, 02:29:08 AM
we are not animals, only our flesh is an animal, but we are possessed of higher functions.
Really? ???
Quotefor one, we are autonomous beings who only willingly relinquish control, even in the case of brain washing -- we make the conscious choice to allow our free will to be dominated by a view we didn't have prior to that point. this is true, even as children. we make choices. those choices color our path. at any point along our paths, we can and do change directions, but always as a result of our own choice.
All the above also applies to animals.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 30, 2013, 09:18:20 AM
Really? ???
All the above also applies to animals.
Animals don't build temples and pray to 'God'.
Quote from: Sinny on September 30, 2013, 10:39:37 AM
Animals don't build temples and pray to 'God'.
(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1383847_210361935807024_1408646354_n.jpg)
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Quote from: zorgon on September 30, 2013, 10:53:35 AM
(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1383847_210361935807024_1408646354_n.jpg)
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that pic is awesome :D
Quote from: ArMaP on September 30, 2013, 09:18:20 AM
Really? ???
All the above also applies to animals.
to be fair, i have no evidence for or against the idea that animals can knowingly, deliberately and randomly (meaning not as a result of instinct) calculate things like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6Mq352f0E
Quote from: undo11 on September 30, 2013, 11:38:43 AM
to be fair, i have no evidence for or against the idea that animals can knowingly, deliberately and randomly (meaning not as a result of instinct) calculate things like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6Mq352f0E
Hahahahahahahha.
Quote from: Sinny on September 30, 2013, 12:23:58 PM
Hahahahahahahha.
the best part is when they tested the solid particle example with a detector that didn't have the magnetic tape to record the results, turned on, and it turned back into an interference pattern. so it wasn't the detector that was solidifying tbe photons into solid matter, it was the conscious act of recording the evidence. what a trip.
Quote from: undo11 on September 30, 2013, 11:38:43 AM
to be fair, i have no evidence for or against the idea that animals can knowingly, deliberately and randomly (meaning not as a result of instinct) calculate things like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6Mq352f0E
Hahahahaha ;D (OMG - Done it AGAIN!!)
Quotegenetic profile at birth
I think that if a brother and sister produce a child then it matters a lot.
All in all it boils down to education. If you are tought that is not right then you might not do it. If your tought how to raise childred then you might not tramatize them. If you limit the amount of childred to what you can afford then they can eat well. It is all education..........Society pays for the lack of it when in reality it might be cheaper and better to make sure all are educated. At least to 8th grade. By then a child is set in his/her ways. I hope on the right/good track of life.
I see wasted flesh all the time. You guys/gals gotta get out more into the rest of the world and see what is going on out there. I am not talking or picking on poor people, I am picking on parents that waste their childs life because they have no education to assist said child and the child grows up one step less than the parents. We want our kids to be one step up from us, not down.
Deuem
Quote from: undo11 on September 30, 2013, 11:38:43 AM
to be fair, i have no evidence for or against the idea that animals can knowingly, deliberately and randomly (meaning not as a result of instinct) calculate things like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6Mq352f0E
It may be a question of education. :)
Most people would not be able to even imagine something like that.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 30, 2013, 01:30:35 PM
It may be a question of education. :)
Most people would not be able to even imagine something like that.
i'd like to see an orangutan figure that out. hehe
all joking aside, isn't it odd that it wasn't the detector but the recording of the data, that caused the photon to solidify into matter from a wave of probabilities?
Quote from: Sinny on September 30, 2013, 10:39:37 AM
Animals don't build temples and pray to 'God'.
Gold. Yup. Gold.
Quote from: Sinny on September 30, 2013, 10:39:37 AM
Animals don't build temples and pray to 'God'.
Although I can't prove this of course, I can tell you that theistic religion is not a complete scam, Sinny. Most people who are anti-theistic, will generally only have experience with Semitic monotheism; (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) and as someone who left Christianity myself, I will say that if they were all that existed, I wouldn't want anything to do with God myself...or more specifically, that was how I felt when I first left. I don't feel that way as much now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7izJtCNFxY
If you or anyone else here is willing, however, I would ask you to listen to the above piece of music, close your eyes, and really try and connect with the emotion within it. See what you think.
Quote from: Sinny on September 30, 2013, 10:39:37 AM
Animals don't build temples and pray to 'God'.
Well, I guess we have some catching up to do, then. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 01, 2013, 12:15:03 AM
Well, I guess we have some catching up to do, then. :)
i would consider that devolving, not evolving, and i'll explain why
i play wow, a mmorpg. occassionally, i've encountered zones in the game where the quest chain changes the world around it. another person may also be doing that quest chain at the same time but at a different part of the quest chain, and although we can send messages to each other, we can't actually see one another because we are at different phases of the quest chain even if we are in the same exact zone and at some points, even on the same exact "geographical" spot. this is done by programming, involving frequencies of light, interacting with the human eye. in programming parlance, this is called phasing. in biblical parlance, it's called the veil of flesh.
jesus said heaven was right here, among us, but we can't see it. this is because it is phased to us. we aren't on that part of the quest chain yet. to suggest phasing doesn't exist, is unscientific. to suggest there's no sentient beings in a different phase than us, is dismissive and requires you ignore countless texts on similar subjects from various parts of the world.
you would devolve our science to demand there is nothing phased to us. unless it can be proven there's nothing phased to us. and that doesn't seem likely......at all.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 30, 2013, 01:30:35 PM
It may be a question of education. :)
Most people would not be able to even imagine something like that.
I challenge you to educate an Otter in Quantum Physics :P
I expect a thesis off it by next year ;D
Quote from: Sinny on October 02, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
I challenge you to educate an Otter in Quantum Physics :P
I expect a thesis off it by next year ;D
I don't know Quantum Physics, I don't have a otter and I don't speak otter language. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 02, 2013, 09:07:53 PM
I don't know Quantum Physics, I don't have a otter and I don't speak otter language. :)
Excuses I tell you!! Aha.
Quote from: Sinny on October 03, 2013, 04:57:41 PM
Excuses I tell you!! Aha.
But they are good ones. ;D
Quote from: Sinny on October 02, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
I challenge you to educate an Otter in Quantum Physics :P
Simple..
Quantum Physics is Mind over Matter
In the Olde Dayes it was called MAGIC
Jesus told you we could move mountains or shrivel a fig tree with a mere thought, but you did not believe (and came up with some garbage that he meant it metaphorically)
Yoda told you that you could lift a spaceship with a mere thought, but you did not believe
Einstein told you that "Reality is merely an Illusion..." You did not understand
Secret Societies have long taught the SECRET which is merely focusing the mind to make things happen, but you attacked these secret groups and called them EVIL... and did not believe
Now today once again Science is telling you matter is influenced by thought... and though you mouth the words, you still do not believe...
Zorgon has been telling you this since he started :P
Disclaimer the 'YOU" in this post is a generic all encompasing YOU... nothing personal :P
Quote from: undo11 on September 30, 2013, 01:37:34 PM
i'd like to see an orangutan figure that out. hehe
Well look at this... wait till you get to the middle... Seems the chimp can out think the human child :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIAoJsS9Ix8
(http://www.wallsave.com/wallpapers/1024x640/lovely-evening/126685/lovely-evening-cute-cat-praying-pray-kitty-kitten-animal-little-pet-126685.jpg)
So what the BLEEP do we REALLY know?
When our last ferret passed away, one of the other ones was aware and held her, literally arms around her that last night. Quite awesome to have seen that. We have 'experts' that claim to know, but really how can they?
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WHAT..???
I challenge you to educate an Otter in Quantum Physics
you had to say otter..not ferrets or sparrows..otters !!!!! ::)
hey.. are you gettin personal here ??????
man i guess i should read all the threads, huh..bwahahahahahahahah
it's amazing that Z has to keep repeating..but i guess you can't hear when you are talking at the same time
of course critters don't worship.. they know they don't have to
shame most humans don't catch on soon enough to be happy
or recognize the power they actually have
way to go on materializing that 100 Z..
we do get what we ask for as long as it is not just a mouthing of words..that never works
i have been blessed with being able to communicate with energies other than human
and i must say it is the humans who waste their time
on dreams that have been sold to them by others
when they could have what they really wanted...
..if only they would take the time to see
and you aren't going to
educate an Otter in Quantum Physics
cause an otter has no need for it.. they are past the need of it
they have joy
(http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/13/55/53/83/otters10.jpg)
Quote from: sky otter on October 04, 2013, 12:22:08 AM
I challenge you to educate an Otter in Quantum Physics
you had to say otter..not ferrets or sparrows..otters !!!!! ::)
cause an otter has no need for it.. they are past the need of it
they have joy
(http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/13/55/53/83/otters10.jpg)
Here's a thought. What if the otters actually know a lot more about quantum physics than we do, in the first place? ;)
The Ancient mystery schools all taught the same premise: "Know Thyself."
The Tibetan monks teach thru meditation to shut out all the noise and clamor, to focus on silence and listen...
Edgar Cayce stated the way to attain the next level is to "empty self of self"...
many more thru the ages have tried to teach that our thoughts coupled with strength of will and emotion/desire/passion make things manifest...
never worry about anything, for it only draws the focus of your worries closer to you...
be careful what you wish for; King Midas wanted everything he touched to turn to gold; he didn't realize that included his wife, kids, water, and food...
we create our realty; getting past all the programming is the hard part to waking up; most of the lemmings and sheep just blindly plod along...
the information is out there if only you believe.
seeker
My wife never believes me when I do this but ask the universe.
This place had no rain for months. I told her I would take care of that. I asked for 1 inch of rain. We got it 36 hours later. One inch! Scary! Be careful what you ask for, there can be suprises hidden in requests. Everytime I had no work I would ask and the next day something would change and work flowed my way. It has not failed yet. I know this story sounds like Ripplies Believe it or not, but just try it with a small item. The universe is a balance and an unanswered question must be answered.
It never works for lotto numbers,,,,,,But it does seem to work well for life.
If you get a busy signal when asking, try again latter, the Universe is very busy.
Silly Deuem
Quote from: deuem on October 04, 2013, 03:53:50 AM
My wife never believes me when I do this but ask the universe.
Yes the Universe is listening... "Your wish is my Command!" but it cares NOT if you wish for good or for evil...
QuoteThis place had no rain for months. I told her I would take care of that. I asked for 1 inch of rain. We got it 36 hours later. One inch! Scary! Be careful what you ask for, there can be suprises hidden in requests. Everytime I had no work I would ask and the next day something would change and work flowed my way. It has not failed yet. I know this story sounds like Ripplies Believe it or not, but just try it with a small item. The universe is a balance and an unanswered question must be answered.
If people paid attention to what they asked for, believed it will manifest and then tracked what did or didn't happen, they would be amazed. It works well on small stuff... gets harder for big stuff. Yoda showed Luke that it doesn't matter the size. But there IS a factor...
TOO MANY PEOPLE
Not in the way of over population, but in the way of free minds... too much NOISE in the aether.
Before when the "SECRET" was held by only a few and taught only to those that had been trained to use it, there were many miracles and things happening. But today with the open internet and the endless BABBLE... the noise vs signal ratio is very diluted.
So say you have a town of 100 people... 50 want it to rain to water the plants... 50 want a bright sunny day so they can go to the park...
What happens? Does it rain? Does it Shine? or does it have small showers during the day?
Well in the end it will lean towards the thoughts of those with the strongest will power... the ones that have the FOCUS
See what I am getting at? I once did this weather thing in public. I didn't do it on purpose. But it was at a large Renaissance Fair and just as we were tearing down, the storms moved in. This year I had no covered trailer and heavy rain would have ruined a lot of stuff. Without thinking about it really I literally commanded the storm to hold off.
It was done without conscious thought, but after several people came to me and were shocked... I got quite a reputation that day... because what happened is while their were violent thunderstorms all around the valley. there ws a round hole of clear sky over the park. We got everything loaded and into the storage unit and then the hole closed and the rains came...
Never repeated that to that level again, but that day I just did NOT want rain :D
QuoteIt never works for lotto numbers,,,,,,But it does seem to work well for life.
There is actually a rule against that... using powers for personal gain :D thought the SECRET says that isn't true.
Like you all my life 'things happen' just when I need them to happen. I have never gotten rich, nor am I likely to, but things have always manifested in the nick of time. Its still stressful though... always being on the edge
QuoteIf you get a busy signal when asking, try again latter, the Universe is very busy.
It's not a matter of being busy... it's more a matter of did you speak up loudly enough to be heard. Did you ask firmly with the belief you will get it? Or did you whimper "Well it would nbe nice but if your busy.... ???"
::)
Jesus tried to get his followers to 'get it' but they turned it into a metafor
Yoda told Luke but Luke said "I don't believe it!"
Have you seen that movie "The Secret" yet?
::)
Quote from: the seeker on October 04, 2013, 03:06:18 AM
The Tibetan monks teach thru meditation to shut out all the noise and clamor, to focus on silence and listen...
THIS...
Lately I have been looking into why "The Secret" is not working as it could/should. I was thinking of outside forces blocking us.
Yes I knew that 'silence is golden' and that all esoteric knowledge comes once you reach inner peace
Manifestation requires belief, but only at the beginning till you get the hang of it. But to get the hang of it you need that peace and quiet to focus your thoughts. Once you have mastered the techniques, you can create a quiet zone amongst the noise. My dad knew a Hindu who would go into a trance on the subway on the way to work and that short ride he would be refreshed like he had a night's sleep
My Conclusion;
There is no outside influence blocking us... it is simply the NOISE of others around us. In the past we had relative peace and quiet. Before the internet people lived sheltered lives in small communities and the noise of the outside world rarely imposed and wasn't important... didn'tmatter to daily life.
Now today you see what social networking has done. It lets in all the noise of the entire world... and more importantly it lets in the static as well. People that are crazy get to invade your home and your mind with a keyboard. The web is filled with crap, 80% at least is bullshit, fear mongering, stress creating manure... no it's not even manure as manure has a use
It becomes impossible for MOST people, especially young ones, to sort the truth from the crap. It has gotten so bad that all the do is like mindless robots or sheep... just repeat what they hear, never once caring for reality. THIS is the NOISE... this is what is destroying our abilities...
And social networks just fee this noise. Even when you post some interesting and important information... withing a few posts the rap will infiltrate and soon the original thought is lost and buried in the noise.
Look at any topic on FB, Twitter, Youtube... look at any thread at ATS (yes even here :P ) How long does a thread stay on topic before the noise obliterates it?
I created the Mystic Star section of Pegasus...
... it was meant to become our own "Secret Society" A quiet zone to learn esoteric ideas...
3 members... Somamech and Bigfatfurrytexan and myself... following the Tibetan traditions and similar paths. BFFT one day VANISHED without a word... I hear he is now back on ATS now turned skeptic...
TOO MUCH NOISE :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pev6QXhmlk
yes to all of that
but Z.. i don't think it is just the noise blocking us..it is the mechanics that make the noise possible
so right there is a two fold interference
the towers and noise they make and the folks using the towersand that noise that they make too.
if you get into what is called a dead zone for cell phones.. you can see a difference
we were just up in the Allegheny National Forest - to visit hubby's brother and they are in a 'dead zone'.....i was amazed at how easy it was to meditate...
so i am adding that to the list of interference factors
i also think that a contributing factor to personal noise is the fear and anxiety that most folks feel anymore....totally connected to everyone else with very little or no personal space...
i luv your weather story and how easily folk were persaded you were mighty...
i've had similar happen ..
i think most folks don't want to acknowledge thier power because then they would need to take responsibility for themselves.....
much easier to blame someone or something else or to think you just need to ask for forgiveness..
sheeple..
sigh
::)
Quote from: sky otter on October 04, 2013, 05:09:52 AM
but Z.. i don't think it is just the noise blocking us..it is the mechanics that make the noise possible
so right there is a two fold interference
the towers and noise they make and the folks using the towersand that noise that they make too.
if you get into what is called a dead zone for cell phones.. you can see a difference
Agreed... cell phones, chat rooms, etc project the noise. It is a known fact that EM waves do effect us... it's direct interference.. Waves can either amplify a signal or negate a signal. Two light beams out of phase can cancel each other out and you have darkness.
Once setting up an event we needed loud sound in the center but quiet on the perimeter. The center was a dance floor the perimeter was seating to eat. There was no way to get the speakers into the center... so we had to engineer the sound pattern so it was normal level on the outer seating but would amplify in the center.... You could step across the line and the volume literally doubled
"White Noise" works the same way... with white noise you can create peace in a noisy area... a fan in the room... a Fen Shui water fall... ocean waves... these are white noise. Your mind focuses on these and tunes out the rest of the noise
Imagine what would happen if a CME took out our power grid :D
INSTANT SILENCE.... imagine the effect on most people
Quotei also think that a contributing factor to personal noise is the fear and anxiety that most folks feel anymore....totally connected to everyone else with very little or no personal space..
.
That too... but that is fed more by "we the people" than any gubment agents. The masses tend to take a small molehill of an issue and make it go viral... to the point that the message itself becomes the boogeyman and is far worse than the actual event
Quotei luv your weather story and how easily folk were persaded you were mighty...
i've had similar happen ..
The reason it was noticed so quickly was because most of the people that are there at tear down are those that are of like mind :D and notice things like that. My daughter has seen me do it and has learned that she too has the ability. One day we were outside looking for Dragons in the sky... and an odd thing happened.... my wife, a real uber skeptic about most everything :P came out to see what we are looking at and went back in to get her camera :D Seems she saw this dragon and had to take a picture :D... before we told her what we were looking at :P
Yes the dragons can be summoned. There was one gal at the Force.... I told her about it and she went out that night to summon one. Her name was Diverdown.... I am sure you remember her :D
This was what she took that night....
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Eyes/Diverdown_2ikb19y.jpg)
For those who have trouble seeing the Dragons... here is an enhanced crop...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Eyes/Diverdown_2ikb19y_02.jpg)
Quotei think most folks don't want to acknowledge thier power because then they would need to take responsibility for themselves.....
much easier to blame someone or something else or to think you just need to ask for forgiveness..
sheeple..
This is true... and for the same reason people will always flock to a good leader, at least one they perceive to be good at the moment. This will not change. What needs to change is the Shepherds. I asked in another thread why people would chose to bow to me... it is simply because I took the job and everyone else was content to come and play. I built a good Kingdom...
It is always easier to let someone else do the work... that is why people will sell their soul to the Devil :D
How people will behave when things are free :P
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QuoteThe Vision of Hermes
It chanced once on a time, while I was meditating on the things that are, my thought was raised to a great height, yet my bodily senses had been put under restraint as in sleep, though not such sleep as that of men weighed down by fullness of food or bodily weariness. Methought a Being more than vast, in size beyond all bounds, called out my name and said:
"What would you hear and see, and what have you in mind to learn and know?"
"Who are you?" said I.
"I am the Pymander, Divine Mind of the Sovereignity, the Shepherd of Men. I know what you desire, and I am with you everywhere."
"I long to learn the things that are, " I replied, "and comprehend their nature, and know God. This is what I desire to hear."
"Hold in your mind all you would know," the Shepherd answered back to me, "and I will teach you."[/color]
from Pymander: Divine Mind of the Sovereignity, the Shepherd of Men. Attributed to Hermes Trismegistus in the Corpus Hermeticum. (http://www.alchemylab.com/pymander.htm)
Good old Hermes. :)
Quote from: zorgon on October 04, 2013, 11:09:13 AM
How people will behave when things are free :P
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No. How People behave in scarcity - and the quote is unfinished:
"I'll do it later - I'm watching My stories...to take My mind off going spelunking which is what I really want to do but I don't have the money or equipment, and doing laundry is NOT what I want to do."
i have a theory that the universe you're asking for help from, is really your quantumly entangled perfected self in the future. to you, the future is later. to your perfected future self, time is irrelevant.
as you learn and grow here, your future perfected self gets better at communicating with you and you with your perfected self, so that eventually, you are sort of merged together. i believe this is your holy spirit body. you aren't the holy spirit, but your perfected future self is your comforter, as jesus called it.
the idea is to run the salvation process, clear your conscience and thus liberate your mind via forgiveness (i'm convinced that we are getting forgiveness from our future selves, because anything we did before that, was bogged down by not having the inner voice of the holy spirit to guide us). and it acts like a trigger, that opens the communication channel between you now, and the perfected you later.
does the perfected you exist before you do this step? i don't know but i don't think it does. i dunno if that made sense to anyone else lol
"I'll do it later - I'm watching My stories...to take My mind off going spelunking which is what I really want to do but I don't have the money or equipment, and doing laundry is NOT what I want to do."
Well if you are going to go spelunking, you'll sure need to do some laundry afterwards...
And you only need a boiler suit and a head torch. (And some trained cave rescuers standing by, if you want to be slightly safer...)
FB!
Quote from: undo11 on October 05, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
i have a theory that the universe you're asking for help from, is really your quantumly entangled perfected self in the future. to you, the future is later. to your perfected future self, time is irrelevant.
as you learn and grow here, your future perfected self gets better at communicating with you and you with your perfected self, so that eventually, you are sort of merged together. i believe this is your holy spirit body. you aren't the holy spirit, but your perfected future self is your comforter, as jesus called it.
the idea is to run the salvation process, clear your conscience and thus liberate your mind via forgiveness (i'm convinced that we are getting forgiveness from our future selves, because anything we did before that, was bogged down by not having the inner voice of the holy spirit to guide us). and it acts like a trigger, that opens the communication channel between you now, and the perfected you later.
does the perfected you exist before you do this step? i don't know but i don't think it does. i dunno if that made sense to anyone else lol
Well if made a lot of half sence to me. Do you think you have mastered this yet? Are you mergered or working on it? I never get an answer I just get some kind of result. The result can be squed or right on depending on the question I am asking. Must be careful on the wording.
Deuem
deuem
well not quite yet. working on it though. no matter what i'm doing, ye olde brain is always working on something.
Undo..
i got it and i like the general tone of what you are saying..
way back when i read about the group soul thing and seth i wasn't happy and it took me a long time to digest such a thing .. but then i started to work on myself thur regression for some of what i felt were my 'questions and problem areas'.. at the time the general thought was that if you could go back and see the cause of the current problem and forgive yourself or whomever
that the questions would be answerd and the phobias lessened or dismissed
so i was operating under those thoughts.. and it worked.. maybe because of those thoughts..
it didn't matter because it really helped
thru my living i have had painful things happened and learnt to forgive stuff..but was still having some issues.. i finally got it to forgive me...that wasn't the easiest but it is doable
the method of saying that you loved yourself while looking in the mirror was a real test but
that also helped me to move forward another little step
my current mantra which i have put here more than once is
"I bless and release the reason for ? ? ?" (this situation..whatever it is)..but you need to be convinced that you are blessing and releasing the cause for it to work
but
work it does
one of my other mantra's is from an old book by louise hay
and it is
we are all victims of victims and when we know better we do better
it's a great bit of verbage to seeing others in a kinder light
so ..yeah i see and agree to your point
hugs all around
;D
edit.. the ususal.. to correct speeling..sigh :(