Pegasus Research Consortium

I haven't looked into Tsarion much.  Jordan Maxwell is also a name that you will encounter fairly quickly, if you start doing research into the sovereignty movement; but again, he's not someone I pay a lot of attention to.  Bad vibes, to be honest.  These guys are the so-called Truth Movement's Outer Limits.

As far as Crowley is concerned; truthfully Uncle Al has probably been a much greater influence on me than is healthy.  I spent a fairly large part of my teens reading Blavatsky, as well; they are all familiar names.

Tsarion, however, I'm honestly not sure about.  I can tell you that he is obsessed with the Eye; probably to an even greater degree than David Icke.  I also know that Tsarion's research has taken him deep into the usual dark, slimy, generally yucky territory that is inevitably entered by anyone seriously researching the Service to Self demographic.

I would stay away, personally.  One of the things about magick, is that you need to get clear about which side you are on, as early as you can.  Blavatsky did some interesting work, particularly in the area of astrology, but she also had some fairly disturbed ideas.  Everyone from that particular circle did.

I have done some more thinking, and there are a few other points that need to be made, where the likes of Tsarion are concerned.

The first and most general, is the fact that hermeticism, in and of itself, is merely a discussion of certain mechanics, or principles.  As such, it is value neutral.  If you know about gravity, you can rely on it to let you stay in bed at night, as opposed to floating above it; or you can rely on it, to know that when you drop a bowling ball above someone, it will fall on their head.  That depends on your moral inclination.

When you really start looking into these things, however, what you very quickly start realising, is that the snakes are not even so much interested in knowing the rules, as they also are in breaking them.  I'll give you the Great Pyramid as the usual example.  Nature designs things by miniaturising at the per-node level as much as possible, and then massively replicating.  The Great Pyramid is an example of the exact opposite; maximum per-node size, and limited replication.

Just talking about this stuff, however, is making me feel heavy, so I am not going to continue to do it; but that is one point I wanted to make.  The Kybalion should be required reading for pretty much everyone, as far as I am concerned; but it is good because it only gives you mechanics.  It doesn't tell you that you should be Service to Self polarised.

I will mention one other thing; although most of you here probably already know even more about this than I do.  This, however, is very important.

One of the snakes' very favourite games to play with us, revolves around two of the sephirah from the Qabbalah; Chesed and Geburah.  The other really fun part is that in terms of the exoteric (mundane, supposedly) game they play, they've also swapped the colours on you, as compared with ritualistic use.  Geburah is supposed to be red, and Chesed is supposed to be blue; but with what they have given you, it's the opposite.  That really frags you up.

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These two sephirah correspond with the terms Mercy (Chesed) and Severity.  (Geburah)

The snakes understand how vital it is for these two sephirah, even more than the others, to be balanced within an individual's makeup, so what they have done, is to create a society in which these two are perpetually split.  You always have two opposing camps, factions, or teams; blue associated with conservatism, or Geburah, and red falsely associated with Chesed, or Mercy.

So Communism/Socialism/the Democrats/the Horde correspond with red, (Chesed/Mercy, in their swapped correspondence) and Conservatism/Capitalism/Fascism/the Republicans/the Alliance correspond with blue.  (Geburah/Severity)

To quote from the good old Hegelian dialectic, though; you have Chesed corresponding with antithesis, (entropy) Geburah corresponding with thesis, (energy) and Kether corresponding with synthesis.  (Synergy)  If you don't get those two balanced up, you don't activate Kether; and if you don't activate Kether, you stay in a relatively animalistic, disempowered, broken state, which is of course what the snakes want.

The way to get yourself straightened out on this score, is to start doing first the Qabbalistic Cross, and then eventually the Middle Pillar.  I haven't performed either of these for too long, and I should; but the few times in my life when I have been sane, have generally corresponded with me both doing puja, but also performing both of those rituals as well. 

"For thine [Kether] is the Kingdom, [Malkuth] the Power, [Geburah] and the Glory, [Chesed] forever and ever.  Amen."

When the Catholics perform the sign of the cross, they probably don't fully understand the real significance of what they are doing, but it does have genuine power.  Like most of these things, however, it is hidden in plain sight.  You have to do your homework to figure it out.

That balances both of those energy hemispheres, however, and you start feeling like a whole person again.  That is the entire reason why the snakes make those two factions, however.  The point isn't even so much to keep people divided and seperated externally, (although that certainly serves their interests as well) as much as it is to do it internally, because that is where it is primarily important.  As above, so below.

Quote from: petrus4 on October 11, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
I also know that Tsarion's research has taken him deep into the usual dark, slimy, generally yucky territory that is inevitably entered by anyone seriously researching the Service to Self demographic.

Funny you should bring this up. The general consensus in the New Age movement is that Service to Self is negative, whilst Service to Others in positive.

However within the Law of One it is stated, that to serves one's self is to serve others, if one has/is adequately serving them selves, they are no longer a  burden on others, hence if everybody chose the Service to Self, there would be no need for others to serve others.

Even The Law of One has been misunderstood in almost all instances, as people still refer to the positive/negative variation of service in different aspects.

i'm on the first video.  he's brought up some stuff that rings particularly true.  however, and i dunno if he realizes this, but he's engaging occassionally in orwellian double speak.   we should embrace our emotions, he says, our anger, our human-ness, then seems totally perplexed later in the video, as to why human civilizations currently have a penchant to be angry and territorial.  well duh hehe

i have this same issue with the information in the book of revelation. here we have jesus, this loving, long-suffering, merciful creator figure, who says to forgive, repeatedly, who suddenly goes rambo and wipes out huge swaths of people in a massive case of eye for an eye, that is so uncharacteristic of his prior teachings. 

now either that's double speak by the author of the book, double speak by the translators, or it's metaphorical for a celestial event.

tsarion accuses the ancient texts of concocting metaphors  from what was otherwise mundane astronomy in his estimation (here he quotes velikovsky's work on the subject), when in fact, the metaphors are the actual information about the mundane events and it is just the teachers of the past who didn't understand it.  in other words, he's got it backwards.  an example this might be the following:

let's say you're aware of the science of astronomy and look for signs when the sun is behaving oddly.  you see the sun with red spots on it and because of your knowledge, you realize you need to inform your fellow scientists of future problems with the sun.  you describe it in a text as an orange with red spots that is clearly about to decay so they should protect themselves by not eating it, and thus, you create a sort of metaphorical story to go with the event that your fellow scientists will recognize but will not inform the common folk of some future date in which the sun goes rambo.

fast forward. some people read it and say, it's about an orange and that we should not eat oranges with red spots, in the future.  then some guy named tsarion reads the orange story and says, doh, it's not about an orange, it's a metaphor for the sun, therefore the authors of the text have turned a real event into a metaphor - thus, you shouldn't believe them. 

hello? that's the point!  it's a metaphor because it wasn't meant for the wider reading audience to understand.   sadly, this is the case with most of the ancient texts -- metaphors are rampant to keep certain data at the level of the priest / scientist.

Quote from: Sinny on October 11, 2013, 03:00:58 PM
Funny you should bring this up. The general consensus in the New Age movement is that Service to Self is negative, whilst Service to Others in positive.

However within the Law of One it is stated, that to serves one's self is to serve others, if one has/is adequately serving them selves, they are no longer a  burden on others, hence if everybody chose the Service to Self, there would be no need for others to serve others.

Even The Law of One has been misunderstood in almost all instances, as people still refer to the positive/negative variation of service in different aspects.

yeah, jesus talked about that.  he basically said,  love starts with you.  if you don't love you, how ya gonna love someone else?  self empowerment is obviously important, because without it, everyone sinks into despair.  however, gotta remember not to hoard it.

Sinny, M Tsarion  8) my favourite.
I'm sure you have seen " Architects of control" ?
nice one for the info. Any Tsarion is always welcome

Quote from: stealthyaroura on October 11, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
Sinny, M Tsarion  8) my favourite.
I'm sure you have seen " Architects of control" ?
nice one for the info. Any Tsarion is always welcome

Architects of control - currently running on my laptop as I take notes on the 'seduction of the material world' to help me expand on the work of the Social Scientist Zygmunt Bauman in his theory that Western Consumer Society can be split into two groups, the 'seduced' and the 'repressed'.

I should have opened with this video  ::)  ;)

still on first video.  he goes into lengthy discussion on the subject of irish druidism, and suggests that judaism was originally druidic - thus the tree motifs and so forth.   he also mentions that the druids had to be pure, and their information had to be closely held to keep vital information about their astronomical and sacred information from getting into the hands of the common folk, and they did this with metaphor.     i don't think he's remembering what he already said because he has so much data in his head.  but he had prior said that the ancient texts that applied metphorical stories to scientific events, were bad.   blink blink. 

i see this alot in conspiracy videos, and to be honest, it's darn confusing. 

to be fair, i stopped watching video #1 and started watching architects of control, as you suggested you should've posted it first.  one issue i have with his information is, he seems to want to convince the listener that it's okay if the ideas he supports do the same thing as those he is criticizing, because his intentions are pure. 

an example is the idea that words are dangeorus and that you should consider them akin to spell casting as they can change your mind and manipulate you -- he then shows a clip of george bush jr, during one of infamous speeches.  now let's consider his idea for a moment -- if it's spell casting to try to change people's minds or manipulate them to believe differently than they already do, or to enlighten them in some fashion, what the heck is he doing ?  it's clearly not sign language and it's definitely designed to make some other world view look bad, while trying to make his own, look good. i seriously do not know what to make of it. 

i'm beginning to wonder if he hasn't had some significant mental trauma, and by that i don't mean that he's mentally handicapped or insane but rather, his brain is disjointed to just enough of a degree that he doesn't even realize how often he's contradicting himself.  i wonder if he has been seriously hurt in the past. an emotional trauma or shock or something

as regards the presidents and vps and all the wars,  yet saying "peace peace but there is no peace" (<--prophecy from the new testament, btw),
he makes an excellent point that they are talking out of both sides of their mouths.  perhaps everyone does that to one degree or another but the intentions behind doing so are the real issue here.  in the case of saying peace and then blowing people up,  i'm just as horrified as he seems to be about it, although i engage in fantasy video games in which the use of violence is almost constantly present, my intention is not a fantasy of blowing up real people or real anything for that matter.  can't say the same for our presidents, however.

i'd like to suggest that the reason the presidents are doing that peace bomb peace bomb thing is not what it seems on the surface.  they aren't boming muslim lands to rid themselves of muslims.  they are killing specific sects of muslims and christians, leaving mostly radicalized wahabbis.  perhaps a political and financial agreement with the saudis, i dunno.

Bump !

Interesting, will listen to these as i work :)

i'd like a response to some of my commentary, if possible.

Quote from: undo11 on October 11, 2013, 06:20:58 PM
He seems to want to convince the listener that it's okay if the ideas he supports do the same thing as those he is criticizing, because his intentions are pure. 

Just as a 'New World Order' is much needed for this planet - just a pure one  ;D

QuoteAn example is the idea that words are dangerous and that you should consider them akin to spell casting as they can change your mind and manipulate you

Valid so far.

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He then shows a clip of George bush Jr, during one of his infamous speeches. Now let's consider his idea for a moment -- if it's spell casting to try to change people's minds or manipulate them to believe differently than they already do, or to enlighten them in some fashion, what the heck is he doing ? 

Manipulate would be the operative word here. The difference between George Bush and Tsarion is that Bush is masking his true intention with fluffy, positive, or fear mongering, emotionally invoking descriptive words. (Coupled with neural linguistics).

Tsarion in, my opinion, is presenting his thoughts quite clearly and openly with no malice or manipulation.

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It's clearly not sign language and it's definitely designed to make some other world view look bad, while trying to make his own, look good. i seriously do not know what to make of it.

Where is the line drawn through my opinions and use of language on this site, drawn between openly sharing my knowledge or being manipulative?

QuoteHis brain is disjointed to just enough of a degree that he doesn't even realize how often he's contradicting himself.

Contradictory or progressively questioned? We should always be in a state of questioning, exploring and changing. There is no one divine truth when working with circumstantial evidence -  circumstances can only ever be pondered - therefore questions will always remain, and unless we have a time machine, or an all seeing eye (pun intended  ;D ) definitive answers will always elude us.

Quote from: undo11 on October 11, 2013, 06:44:59 PM
as regards the presidents and vps and all the wars,  yet saying "peace peace but there is no peace" (<--prophecy from the new testament, btw),
he makes an excellent point that they are talking out of both sides of their mouths.  perhaps everyone does that to one degree or another but the intentions behind doing so are the real issue here.  in the case of saying peace and then blowing people up,  i'm just as horrified as he seems to be about it, although i engage in fantasy video games in which the use of violence is almost constantly present, my intention is not a fantasy of blowing up real people or real anything for that matter.  can't say the same for our presidents, however.

I'd like to suggest that the reason the presidents are doing that peace bomb peace bomb thing is not what it seems on the surface.  they aren't boming muslim lands to rid themselves of muslims.  they are killing specific sects of muslims and christians, leaving mostly radicalized wahabbis.  perhaps a political and financial agreement with the saudis, i dunno.

Valid assessment - I can't add much more to that..

Except, when the world is waking up to these controlling methods (which we, collectively,are), they either have to enforce these methods in the physical, or change to more effective, subversive, methods to counter our non-compliance to their original game plan.

Well, once you 'know', you can't 'unknow' - and as we have seen, they've almost run out of subversive methods - hence the police state.

sensible responses.  i think where the manipulation comes in is suggesting that people should be angry, specifically, irish people.  and then revealing later, that he's against people being angry.  the average human mind would be completely bewildered by that, subconsciously.  it sets up cognitive dissonance, which is necessary if you want to get normally loving, caring people, to slaughter your enemy.

the issues he brings up are mostly valid.  and the information, particularly the etymology, is fascinating.  however,  using egyptian words that are currently being given to us in their greek/latinized form, is kind of disengenious. in other words, he's using latinized words as evidence egyptian words are all of irish origins.  the problem with that is, if you look at the actual egyptian words, they have a completely different format.  they contain no vowels, or very few vowels, have no resemblance to latin or greek or any other european languages, but have striking resemblance to ancient hebrew.

i commend him on his research, which is extensive, but fear he is using it specifically as a call to arms, and that just perpetuates the problems he complained about in the first place.  do you see what i mean? 

he's also wrong about the habiru, from what i can tell.  and being wrong about THAT is very suspicious.

another thought just occured to me as well.  z can probably elaborate on this.  but haven't the scots and irish historically been primarily catholic countries following the catholic invasion, who were in constant skirmishes with "protestant" england (in this case, when king henry VIII wanted a divorce and the pope wouldn't give it to him, he said, "screw that!", created his own non-catholic church, and had the new church leader, give him his divorce)?  this lead to protestanism, a word that basically means people of christian faith who protest against the catholic church.

there's some sketchy information out there that the scandinavian countries, and northern british isles contain the descendants of the tribe of dan (one of the 12 tribes of israel), as well as some references to the windsors being from the tribe of dan as well.  the information isn't very solid, so i'm skeptical in that regard, but i do find it fascinating that the stone of scone under the british throne is supposedly the stone jacob laid his head on when he had the dream of the angels ascending and descending into/out from, a heavenly gate.

in old testament times, the tribe of dan was on bad footing with the tribe of judah.  really bad footing.  this complicates the picture tsarion is trying to establish, quite a bit, as the undercurrent of his message is that israel has ripped off, whole cloth, the irish people.  how do you rip off yourself?   it would be more precise, from his particular angle, to say that the tribe of judah has ripped off and continues to rip off, the tribe of dan.  but if that were the case, why then are the windsors almost exclusively,  supporters of israel?  wouldn't they all be in the same predicament as members of the tribe of dan? 

there's something odd going on there. 

finished architects, now back to video 1, and i must say, he sure has alot of information in his head.  but i keep running into stuff he says, that my research suggests is not correct.  for example, he thinks christianity is atenism-- sun worship.  but if my theory regarding enki is correct, it would literally, predate akhenaten by 1000s of years.

i've found a trail that suggests the war of the sons of light against the sons of darkness is the sun religions vs. the moon religions.  and here's where it gets interesting:

moses' name means moon god.  not sun god.  moon god.  however, he was the son of the son of the moon god (by adoption into pharaoh ahmose's house).  ahmose' name means son of the moon god.  why he named moses, moses, is confusing, as that suggests moses was his father not his son. lol   that part stilll bugs me. 

as you may know if you have read my earlier work, En.lil was the original moon god.  christianity is not truly a religion of En.lil but of En.ki (the inclusion of the old testament which is mostly about En.lil, makes it appear to be a christian book, but it is not), yet there's nothing in particular that suggests enki was a sun god.  he was a son of Anu and Anu was a otiose god on some other or in some other, dimension, planet, whatever.    Some would argue he was the sun as a god, but even that goes against the sumerian-akkadian texts.

i just have a really hard time corrolating tsarion's data with my own, and i have perhaps did a bit more research, closer to the origins of these concepts than he has, where he has focused almost exclusively on the european - irish connection to egypt, which he has tempered thru his understanding of druidism.  if these are identical, and what he says is true, that ironically makes druids the bad guys since he thinks ancient egyptians were evil sun worshippers.  and around and around he goes.

p.s. wikipedia states that ahmose is son of Iah (will you look at that name!!!!!) and that it derives from the word moon god.   this would mean moses' name was iah.  holy mackeroli.

anyway, by then, the world had been convinced that Enlil, the moon god, was yahweh.  just look at the etymology of the name they have listed. it's the name of the moon god but using Ea's (Enki's) name.  that's because enlil was the god of this planet at the time -- meaning this planet was his real estate. the whole planet. and he didn't like humans on it. 

edit to add more exclamation points to "will you look at that name!!!!!"

I think I still need about 5 years of stuffing my face in books before I can reply and do you justice Undo :)

Your right, he does has an awful lot crammed in side that head of his lol.

I'm glad some of you have found interest in his video's, and no doubt I'll continue to comment as I explore his work that is relevant to my studies. 

Hi undo, I can't pretend to understand a lot of Tsarion's work, especially his research on early Irish culture and religions.its hard to follow but then it's not a topic I have spent any time on.
"Architects of control" I found was interesting and relatively easy to watch as you don't need to be an academic to keep up unlike some of the more specialist topics he attempts to take on and hypothesise about.(some of the links sinny posted for example)

I agree with you that a lot of his interpretations like the early religious images or Egyptian history are misinterpreted and Tsarion is not alone in spreading his own version of "truth" I come across this all the time as so many people attempt to decipher the same subject with varying contradicting views.

A good example would be a set of you tube vids titled " knowthetruth" they are very popular but they prey on people's belief system's with promise of revealing the true meaning of various subjects like the(always popular) illuminati or some other esoteric teachings.

Have you ever considered producing your own video with your interpretation of these "mystic subjects"? I for one would really enjoy seeing your research put into video form,even if some of the subject matter is a little heavy.
Or you sinny for that matter? Anyhow, great reading if a little out of my depth.

Quote from: Sinny on October 12, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
I think I still need about 5 years of stuffing my face in books before I can reply and do you justice Undo :)

Your right, he does has an awful lot crammed in side that head of his lol.

I'm glad some of you have found interest in his video's, and no doubt I'll continue to comment as I explore his work that is relevant to my studies.

notice in his oracles and origins series, he discusses mind control via things like, referring to quotes from authority figures to make one's position sound like absolute truth.  then, literally a minute later, he starts quoting authority figures to bolster his own position.   once you learn how to listen to what he's saying,  it's like a whole other language he's layering on top of what he's saying.   it's something like this:

1. first, he derides the subject he disagrees with by pointing to several of their "tactics", such as appealing to authority

2.  then he says something to generate an emotional reaction.

3. then he follows it up with doing the very thing he was deriding only a few moments prior. 

there's really only 2 possible reasons why he does this.  he either doesn't realize he is doing it (the two halves of his brain are not fully communicating with each other) or it's some kind of brain washing technique. 

anybody know anything about brain washing?  i don't.  i simply don't understand his teaching process and wonder if anyone else is picking up on it.

notice also that the underlying current in the oracles and origins series, is appealing to the catholic crowd, and even more subtly,  to the idea that anything magical or supernatural, is evil.  he literally lambasts every magical tradition and even accidentally opens up on druids as well, then backtracks a bit to cover his tracks. 

one moment, witches are evil .  the next moment tarot is good.  the next moment, magic is evil.  the next moment, druidism is good.  the next moment, druidism is bad. the next moment, druidism is good.  someone who cares about this guy and is a close friend, should find out if he's had some kind of trauma or something.

what a confusing fellow

Quote from: stealthyaroura on October 14, 2013, 02:05:45 AM

Have you ever considered producing your own video with your interpretation of these "mystic subjects"? I for one would really enjoy seeing your research put into video form,even if some of the subject matter is a little heavy.
Or you sinny for that matter? Anyhow, great reading if a little out of my depth.

i'm working on a book atm. but it doesn't delve into how these other world views are evil, but rather how most ancient traditions seem to be based, at least in part, on advanced sciences.  in other words, ancient texts are not as myth-based as they might seem on first reading.  when i read them now i notice all kinds of sciences in them.   

Quote from: undo11 on October 15, 2013, 08:04:49 AM
Referring to quotes from authority figures to make one's position sound like absolute truth....

QuoteThen, literally a minute later, he starts quoting authority figures to bolster his own position.

Sorry Undo, I've either misunderstood your initial paragraph, or you have made the same point twice in one paragraph.
That point being: he has quoted others in authority to enforce his own conclusions - which is the norm... 
   

Quoteonce you learn how to listen to what he's saying,  it's like a whole other language he's layering on top of what he's saying.

He talks in plain laymens terms in my opinion, but hey - maybe your picking up on something I'm not :)

Quote2.  then he says something to generate an emotional reaction.

Such as? There's lots of material in here, hard to say without the quote.
I'd also like to add that WE are in control of our emotions  :P

Quote3. then he follows it up with doing the very thing he was deriding only a few moments prior.

Still need specifics.

Quotethere's really only 2 possible reasons why he does this.

Possibilities are infinate  ;D

QuoteHe either doesn't realize he is doing it (the two halves of his brain are not fully communicating with each other) or it's some kind of brain washing technique.

To brainwash whom, to think what?

QuoteI simply don't understand his teaching process and wonder if anyone else is picking up on it.

At some point I will go through Origins & Oracles and see if I can find the same concerns as your self - until then.. Nope, he seems relatively sane and honest in my opinion, and my personal perspective his, he can draw his conclusions - I'll draw mine.

Quotenotice also that the underlying current in the oracles and origins series, is appealing to the catholic crowd

Well, he is exploring Irish Origins also - It's bound to 'appeal' to traditional Irish religions.

Quoteand even more subtly,  to the idea that anything magical or supernatural, is evil.  he literally lambasts every magical tradition and even accidentally opens up on druids as well, then backtracks a bit to cover his tracks.

Quoteone moment, witches are evil .  the next moment tarot is good.  the next moment, magic is evil.  the next moment, druidism is good.  the next moment, druidism is bad. the next moment, druidism is good.

From my studies (besides Tsarion) the general concensus is that Magic is 'Evil', and we are advised to not attempt using it for 'good', as it's roots lie in negativity. Magic draws from the Astral Plains *IMO* - and lots of Lower Astral beings would like us to stray off track. Having said that, not all ritual is 'bad' - therefore I don't see any issues with Tsarions opinions.

Quotesomeone who cares about this guy and is a close friend, should find out if he's had some kind of trauma or something.

I've really not seen enough evidence to suggest this guy's work is drawn from anything other than a thirst for knowledge and unending curiosity. If he started acting a little insane, that would warrant investigation.

Quotewhat a confusing fellow

I haven't studied his personal life or personal relationships, but from an acedemic point of view, he references all of his sources - I don't see whats confusing.

Looking forward to your reply - if you could grab a few quotes of his 'contradictions', we may be able to kick start a debate  :D

k, will see if i can find it again.  his videos are long, so it may take awhile to find it again.   it's in the section, i think of the first oracles and origins videos, that talks about how the status quo appeals to authority, and how this is a brain washing tool.  then, a bit later, he appeals to authority for like an hour , over and over again, to back up his own opinion.  it's like i said before, he doesn't appear to remember he just said it.  and there's some kind of emotional hook he puts in there that keeps most of his audience from noticing as well, considering you don't remember him saying that (or did you not watch the oracles videos?)

one more thing, while i'm thinking about it.  he's basically saying masons are evil, rosicrucians are evil, anybody that uses magic is evil, religion is evil, the ancient egyptians were evil, pyramids are evil, etc.  if you write down every thing he says is evil, you'll notice, he pretty much covers anything to do with caucasians, the underlying message of which is, white people are evil, EXCEPT irish catholics and irish druids, who he befriends momentarily with his paranoia about witchcraft, only to turn around a few minutes later and fawn over the use of tarot.   and he even falls off the boat on the druids, for a moment.   something's just not right.

Quote from: undo11 on October 15, 2013, 03:07:16 PM
his videos are long, so it may take awhile to find it again.

Yea, I know that feeling.   

Quotethat talks about how the status quo appeals to authority

I don't understand how status quo can appeal to authority, surely the authority appeals to the status quo? 

Quoteand how this is a brain washing tool.

The illusion of authority certainly aids within brainwashing. 

Quotehe appeals to authority for like an hour

I might understand your perception a little better if you replace the word 'appeals' with something else.

Appeal Def:

Verb - Make a serious or urgent request, typically to the public.

Noun - A serious or urgent request, typically one made to the public.

Synonyms- call - plea - attraction - request - petition - entreaty

Quote from: undo11 on October 15, 2013, 03:45:37 PM
one more thing, while i'm thinking about it.  he's basically saying masons are evil, rosicrucians are evil, anybody that uses magic is evil, religion is evil, the ancient egyptians were evil, pyramids are evil, etc. 

Ahh, groups, objects and tools can all be made evil by evil men.
Opposite applies too.

Quoteif you write down every thing he says is evil, you'll notice, he pretty much covers anything to do with caucasians, the underlying message of which is, white people are evil, EXCEPT irish catholics and irish druids, who he befriends momentarily with his paranoia about witchcraft, only to turn around a few minutes later and fawn over the use of tarot.   and he even falls off the boat on the druids, for a moment.   something's just not right.

Strong statements Undo..

well maybe i'm over-reacting, but i'm off and on relistening to that entire thing to find where it is. may even be in the 2nd one or the third lol

don't misunderstand.  i don't think he's crazy.  i don't think he's mentally handicapped.   just something doesn't seem right and perhaps it's leading him to come to those conclusions. i dunno. but if you listen, he spends quite a bit of time in architects of control, complaining about masons and rosicrucians. just to give you some idea, how i think he's not quite right about that, zorgon is a rosicrucian. 

Its been age's since I listened to the guy in question....

I recall listening to him when I dragged myself out of the pit and saw that the web happened ! 

Only problem I have is how people like him draw people into some torture of this and that in regards to "They are doing this to Us".

This world is way too complex for a simple explanation of "They throwing arrows at us"

;D

Mum a  nice warm slice of  rosicrucian,
Straight out the oven, dipped into Balsamic and Olive oil.

;D

One area of commonality which I do have with Michael Tsarion, in retrospect, is that he is fairly clearly a brother Plutonian.  Although I am a solar Aquarian natally, Pluto is my most heavily aspected planet, with a total of seven different aspects to it, from memory.

So the tendency to appear dark, and to be interested in apparently dark subject matter, goes with the territory.  I have consistently worn black clothing for most of my life, and am dark haired (although balding at this point) as is Tsarion himself.  Although it is not my intention, I at times intimidate people offline.

i'm still relistening to his videos.   i came across some info in his first one in the oracles and origins series, that i found extremely interesting, regarding various native american stories about global catastrophe.   it lead to him quoting passages from the bible, to correlate the information, which was a surprise since he seems to think the new testament of the bible is mostly misinformation. this seems to be a frequent view point from the new age community -- that the old testament is accurate, the new testament is not, which auto suggests the jews were right and the christians were wrong.  this is the moon god vs the sun god, thing, all over again.

what i found curious was that he quoted hebrew text concerning the outlawing of the fashioning of idol figurines, and called it christian.  i'm not so sure that is exactly accurate.   the old testament god is typically a lot different than the new testament jesus.  in fact, as i have elaborated on elsewhere on these forums, it seems to me that the old testament texts are mostly about the moon god, enlil, whereas the new testament, is mostly about the sun god, jesus, and by sun god, i don't mean it's mythology.  i mean it's egyptian in origin, as it is a title.

interesting corollary:  the pyramid wars as detailed by zecharia sitchin, suggest that enki was the god of the egyptians.  it doesn't seem entirely accurate, but it is extremely interesting, nonetheless.

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on October 15, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
Mum a  nice warm slice of  rosicrucian,
Straight out the oven, dipped into Balsamic and Olive oil. ;D

Elvis, gold for you, just for that quote alone, you are wHATt we in the Scientific World would call a 'scientific person", LOL,

I Love Italian cooking, & i love that last post, LOL............

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on October 19, 2013, 12:07:02 AM
Elvis, gold for you, just for that quote alone, you are wHATt we in the Scientific World would call a 'scientific person", LOL,

I Love Italian cooking, & i love that last post, LOL............

italians cook rosicrucians in olive oil and balsamic vinegar?

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on October 15, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
Mum a  nice warm slice of  rosicrucian,
Straight out the oven, dipped into Balsamic and Olive oil.

;D

Bon Appetit. ;)

Quote from: undo11 on October 19, 2013, 01:22:13 AM
italians cook rosicrucians in olive oil and balsamic vinegar?

I suspect that charcoal roasting would probably have been the preferred method of preparing Rosicrucians, Undo.  Care would have been necessary to select a very hot, densely burning log type, as well.  Expert chefs also would have been assigned from the Vatican, especially for the task. ;)

ohmygosh you have 365 gold, petrus4!  that's even more than armap! you must've been posting some cool stuff whlie i was busy elsewhere!

Quote from: undo11 on October 20, 2013, 05:33:46 AM
ohmygosh you have 365 gold, petrus4!  that's even more than armap! you must've been posting some cool stuff whlie i was busy elsewhere!

Apparently some of my recent posts have been reasonably popular, yes.

Quote from: petrus4 on October 20, 2013, 07:38:31 AM
Apparently some of my recent posts have been reasonably popular, yes.

going to read them.  :D

Well, i gave Petrus a lot of gold way back when, while reading those 'wall of text' posts, there was gold in them, but you had to read a lot of text to find it.

I think if we keep our replies shorter it moves the topic along nicely, and the added bonus of not having to load a new page after just 3 posts :P

(normally i don't care, but if your'e on an ancient cellphone like mine, it takes forever to load a page ::))

Petrus, if you get gold it means you deserve it ;)


Something funny just occured to me.

We are using Amy's TAP system here without even knowing it!

We use 'gold' points, which in themselves don't really mean a darn thing, they are what i call 'cookie points'  ;D
But they serve a very real & valid point. The poster, and everyone else, can see when gold points are added (at least it's gold per post as displayed on That Other Site, which was a cool system IMHO) but at least you can see when peeps agree with you.

You could go even further & remove gold from someone (a bit like the IRS) but then all kinds of carp would happen, as you could vote someone down just on the grounds of not liking them, despite what everyone else thinks... ::)

At least here, you can only GIVE & not TAKE. I find that to be a wonderful system.

OK so the worst that can happen is you give someone gold & then regret it 3 posts later when you argue with them :P
LMAO

This is really very much like Amy's system, and it does seem to work pretty well,don't you think?
8)

Frankly, I don't like the "gold" system here.  For one, favoritism (whether consciously or not) allows some to garner 50, 100, 200 gold for a single post.  For another, I have no clue WHICH input was appreciated.  Without that, it's difficult to choose appreciatable content.

....but the system WORKS, Amy my dear :)

You can Give, but you can't Take from Others, that was the meaning i had, sorry if we are at cross-purposes here.

..But the system works, and it is based on Merit, right?

Isn't that what you have been petitioning for all this time??
-PWM_

Z gave Hobbit 50 gold for a single post, i remember...


Believe it or not, but i thought that post was well worth it!!

Hobbit left, and we go further, but let us NOT forget our roots, or those we leave behind, for whatever reason....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyzrbV0ORrM

...and for others;

http://www.ssyoutube.com/watch?v=NyzrbV0ORrM (http://www.ssyoutube.com/watch?v=NyzrbV0ORrM)

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on October 20, 2013, 10:10:39 PM
....but the system WORKS, Amy my dear :)

"Works?"  In what way? 

QuoteYou can Give, but you can't Take from Others, that was the meaning i had, sorry if we are at cross-purposes here.

..But the system works, and it is based on Merit, right?

Again, works in what way?  What is it doing?  No, TAP is not "based on merit" per se.  It is a natural emergence of appreciation and other social currencies, NONE of which are being "kept track of."

If You are "rich" in TAP, it is because You have many People thinking highly of You.  But it's not like there is any "scorekeeping."  It just is.

QuoteIsn't that what you have been petitioning for all this time??
-PWM_

Yes and no.  The "scoring" might be in glowing reviews on One's website, or may come in the words anOther says, such as, "Thanks!" or "I so admire Your skills!  You are awesome!"  But there is no clear way to say, "I have more (X) than You do!  :P "

QuoteZ gave Hobbit 50 gold for a single post, i remember...


Believe it or not, but i thought that post was well worth it!!

That may be - but *I* have no clue what post it was.  Unless I happen upon it AND z has announced His action in the thread.

And still, having the ability to arbitrarily hand out huge amounts of gold leaves the system open to favoring Some over Others...

Also, without "Joined on" dates easily seen, looking at gold does NOT clue One in.  SomeOne could have just joined and made a single post which happens to strike a mega-gold-giver just right and They get 200 gold for it, and meanwhile another might be here a year or more and have been actively contributing, gaining single golds, but not really striking the fancy of One who can hand out more than one gold, and sit with a gross figure like 144 gold.

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 20, 2013, 08:28:50 PM
Frankly, I don't like the "gold" system here.  For one, favoritism (whether consciously or not) allows some to garner 50, 100, 200 gold for a single post.  For another, I have no clue WHICH input was appreciated.  Without that, it's difficult to choose appreciatable content.

Agreed.  This is actually the only such system I've seen, where I have been unable to tell which posts I was given gold for.  I wonder if it is possible for Zorgon to change that.

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 20, 2013, 08:28:50 PM
Frankly, I don't like the "gold" system here.  For one, favoritism (whether consciously or not) allows some to garner 50, 100, 200 gold for a single post.  For another, I have no clue WHICH input was appreciated.  Without that, it's difficult to choose appreciatable content.

Agreed.

But the members that are aware of that fact tend to let the other member know what they've been golded for :)

Quote from: Sinny on October 21, 2013, 01:18:35 PM
Agreed.

But the members that are aware of that fact tend to let the other member know what they've been golded for :)

I guess...  I have nearly 100 gold that I have NO CLUE what I did to "deserve" it.

After some deliberation.. I think I have concluded that Tsarion is playing his part is Externalising the Hierarchy. Think subject is still on going, and will return in the future to present this case.