I was asked in another thread about the link between Scientology and the esoteric society The Golden Dawn. There is a lot more but I just thought I'd post some pretty solid links.
QuoteThe possibility that Hubbard was borrowing from Crowley's symbolism
for his early Scientology teachings might seem a bit tangential at first glance,
but it is supported by several other facts. The first is that Hubbard first began
to promote his new Church of Scientology as a "religious" organization in
1954 through a newsletter titled The Golden Dawn, probably named for the
well-known British occult group. As Stephen Kent notes:
QuoteLate in the summer of 1954, Hubbard mailed an advertisement news-
letter called The Golden Dawn (most likely named after England's
famous occult group of which Aleister Crowley had been a member)
to about 500 Phoenix, Arizona, homes and initiated a door-to door
recruitment in the city.91
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153581109/Bogdan-Starr-Aleister-Crowley-Western-Esotericism#download {page 352}
I will publish the details of the newsletter in the next post for anyone not convinced.
QuoteA second, even more obvious, borrowing from Crowley and from the
Golden Dawn, however, was Hubbard's choice of an eight-pointed cross as
the key symbol for his new church. As many observers have pointed out,
Hubbard's cross seems to be closely modeled on the Golden Dawn cross,
which also adorned the back of every card in Crowley's famous tarot deck—
the "Thoth" deck—one of the most influential and widely used tarot decks
to this day (see Figure 14.2).92 Even though Hubbard's theological explana-
tion of the image was of course very different,93 there seems to be little
doubt that the image of the eight-pointed Scientology cross—still today the
central symbol of the church—is taken from the Golden Dawn/Crowley
Rosy Cross.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153581109/Bogdan-Starr-Aleister-Crowley-Western-Esotericism#download {page 352}
(http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/DEMONS/Aleister%20Crowleyt.jpg)
REVERSE OF THOTH TAROT. SOURCE: http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/DEMONS/AleisterCrowley.php
(http://www.carolineletkeman.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/invitation-page1.jpg)
QuoteThe Golden Dawn
Official Publication of the Church of Scientology
A non-profit corporation incorporated in Arizona, New Jersey and California.
Copyright, 1954 by the Church of Scientology
Price 10 ¢ per copy
Issued by the authority of the Board of Trustees.
Editorial office 806 North Third Street, Phoenix, Arizona.
The use of materials and techniques of Scientology, the name Scientology, and the right to use the publications of Scientology by the Church of Scientology are by express and explicit permission of the trademark and copyright owner and may not otherwise be quoted, used or employed. The right to quote or use these may be procured only through the Church of Scientology from the trademark and copyright owner.1
More details can be found here: http://www.carolineletkeman.org/archives/233
Great post.
I took notes on this subject from somewhere just recently, i'll try and locate and add my source.
Good stuff Pimander...I got some reading ahead.
In reading Peter Moon's work, One discovers that:
Jack Parsons and LRon were close. So were Parsons and Crowley. I think We can presume that LRon and Crowley ran in the same circles.
Crowley initiated him
Ah,
Of important note that Hubbard was collaberting
with A. L. Kitselman too.
QuoteJohn W. Campbell Jnr:
dianetics and the engram theory did not explain or handle certain
aspects of aberration .. the ultimate understanding of the human being must include and explain all of the observed results.
dianetics must be included, both Hubbardian, Kitselman's work, Altman's, everybody's.
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/leak-many-newsletters-and-mags-from-the-50s.97268/
Kitselman....rings a bell where have I heard that name recently?
;)
Beau chance!
My dad was in with Kitselman to some degree. I just know I met the man.
@ Amy, very interesting.
I dont recall you mentioning your Dad before.
:)
Beware the Mikado effect.
Quote
Tracking down A. L. Kitselman
Postby Mikado14 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:12 am
This thread topic will be used to present information in regard to A. L. (Beau) Kitselman. There appears to be a dearth of information in regard to his mathematics background as well as other information. Most information that turns up is in regards to "E-Therapy" and L. R. Hubbard. His several books turn up on Amazon.com but none appear to be available for purchase.
If anyone has any information in regard to Mr. Kitselman, please present it along with the source.
More to come.
Mikado
http://www.ttownsendbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1033
Suffice to say there was no more.
Quote from: burntheships on October 13, 2013, 12:57:36 AM
@ Amy, very interesting.
I dont recall you mentioning your Dad before.
:)
Linda and I discussed Him at some length. He worked at Convair in the 50's as an electrical engineer. I remember meeting Beau and thinking it was a weird name and My mom teaching Me My first French word.
I am also sure I met TT Brown. Some guy from work came over several times and I was freaked out by the missing finger.
Here's an interview where I discuss My dad talking about electrogravitics.
http://www.ucy.tv/streams/64k/2013731-20-64k.mp3
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ewEmPdiqOgw/T80IVsK4ZXI/AAAAAAAADdk/WfgMh5s6-Og/s640/Aleister+Crowley-Helena+Blavatsky+-olimpiadas2012-bandera+falsa-illuminati-NWO-NOM-numerologia-nuclear-terrorismo-alqaeda-CIA-MI6-MOSSAD-orden+de+malta-sacrificio-ritual-muertes-inocentesb-ilderberg15.jpg)
The Holy Thelemic Church
There is a letter authored by H.P. Blavatsky (the prophet's official forerunner) on the night Crowley was born, when she was staying at a house in Ithaca, New York, stating the following:
"I pray thee, Brother mine, to take necessary steps to adjourn the meeting until Saturday [Oct 16] which will be. Sister [Blavatsky] has a labour to perform. Be friendly to the English seer, Emma [Emma Hardinge Britten, author of Art Magic, at whose house the October 16th Theosophical Society meeting, originally scheduled for October 12th – the Prophet's birthday – was held], for she is a noble woman and her soul hath many gems hidden within it. Begin not without our Sister [Blavatsky] -- Unto the regions of Light I send for thee my prayer. Serapis". Then sentence in
Latin that closes with three words in Greek. The Latin sentence translates as: "Under the pretext of justice, a strict application of law is often the gravest injury, Brother. Be gentle in manner though resolute in execution. Can such Wrath towards divine souls befit one fully Adept?" And three words in Greek: "In Nomine, ABLANATHALBA SEMES EILAM"
Needless to say, the strange phrase "a great labour to perform" -- along with the fact that this was the very week of the Prophet's birth – suggests a work of magical conception along the lines of what Crowley himself postulated in the case of Frater Achad. At any rate, the message purports to come from Serapis, a discarnate agent of the Beast, who insists on postponement of the forthcoming meeting owing to Blavatsky's mysterious preoccupation. She had, this supposed Master insisted, "a great labour to perform". It is extraordinary, of course, that this was the week of Crowley's nativity. The meeting postponed was rescheduled and actually held, per Serapis'
instruction, the following Saturday, which was October 16th, 1875. - form the Paidi Tou Prophete's book " The AngloQabalistic Key"
Quote from: Pimander on October 13, 2013, 01:25:14 AM
Suffice to say there was no more.
Wow, great find Pim! I looked high and low for that
post, knew it was here all along. Funny the John
and Nancy show ushered in by Soloma initially was
all about Kitselman; well suffice it to say the opening
scene was Hello Stupid was one of those unexpected
gifts. I think of it as the second act of The Mikado...
I bet they were not counting on us having
the lights on.
Someone trying to revive a long forgotten work,
that just happened to be making a debut on Amazon
shortly after it landed at Peggy. We just reverse engineered
the thing, and ....well is there anything new they have
in the works?
;D
More curious....this old clipping
QuoteA late January visitor to The ABERREE office was Charley Bartleson of San Antonio, who was in Enid to check on whether the students at Vance Air Base had worn the soles off their shoes from dragging their feet while test-flying the two-engined planes. Whether he sold the Air Base any shoes or not, we don't know, but he did sell us on how badly he needed Infinite Card No. 39... And another Infinite, A.L. Kitselman of Reno, Nev., was sent Card No 41 just a day or two after his 41st birthday. Of course, he didn't ask for No. 41, and we didn't know it was his 41st birthday -- but "infinity" is a pretty potent piece of "space"...
(http://www.aberree.com/scans/v01/v01no10/page0013.png)
Infinite? This is new to me....
This paper is also of significance.
Cosmic Awareness
Bob Dobbs Interviews David E. Worcester:
The DEW-Line for Xenochrony
Quote
Cosmic Awareness... a quality or state of being;
thought, thinking;
neurological reaction, or neurolinguistic reaction;
conditioned thought;
modified behavior;
attention to reaction and source of trigger;
mind control;
power of suggestion - the most powerful force on
Earth and possibly beyond;
the control-that-controls control;
first motion - only one move;
[A. L. "Beau"] Kitselman [1/24/14 - 9/28/80, Aumakua
Therapy] - original thinkers;
http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/bob/Miscellaneous/Bob%20Dobbs%20Interviews%20David%20E.%20Worcester.pdf
There are one or two members who I expected to contribute to this thread who remain conspicuous by their absence. Do I have to name names? You know who you are.... ::)
I would suggest PM them and see if they respond... if not send an email
We need a few people to test the access
That may explain why we have seen little new posts from new members
I know many come just to lurk and read, but if you don't at least say HI and get past the first two posts with Capcha we don't know if you are actually getting access
oh goodie a thread worth reading..
gotta go start at the beginning and collect some thoughts
for readin this stuff years ago...
The Kitselman story, as it relates to Hubbard, Crowley, Max Freedom Long, and Krishnamurti:
Daughter Suzette says that Alva LaSalle (Beau) Kitselman threw Hubbard out of his house when Hubbard told him he was turning Dianetic therapy into a for-profit religion. The 1955 newsletter snip above seems to confirm that he had begun to turn his back on Hubbard, offering 'the secret' for a flat fee, vs. a continued Scientological milking under the guise of tithing. (I guess, however, that the membership card sender didn't get the memo.)
Kitselman spent a great deal of time in Hawaii after the war, which is probably where he first met Hubbard. Beau always had an interest in psychology, psi, and eastern religions and was known to be fluent in ancient Sanskrit. By 1956 Kitselman had been introduced to Max Freedom Long, who thought that Kitselman's e-therapy complimented his Huna system of human development. Long's journals seem to indicate that he and Kitselman were both faintly repelled by Hubbard's show.
(Disclaimer: i am not promoting e-therapy. I know nothing about 'e-therapy' other than it is similar to something that is today known as 'polarity therapy)
Kitselman was a fascinating, well-educated man, with curiosity and affluence enough to have been part of the early Esalen scene. He certainly would have known of Crowley's teachings, and perhaps, given his intelligence connections, known him through Crowleys work for British Intelligence. I don't get the impression, however, that Kitselman was ever really much of a follower of anybody, not even Krishnamurti, though he was known to call him "the world's only living Ten" (presumably on a spiritual/ethical scale).
Interesting man, on many accounts.
rose
Rose
Have you come across anything that might have happened to him working with radar and/or radio that perhaps got Kitselman interested in Psi. Or is it coincidental?
Pimader, Kitselman wrote that he became interested while doing the coin flip experiment for a stats class. If I recall correctly, he began predicting the outcomes as a means of entertaining himself and found that his success rate appeared to be greater than chance. I suspect that he was probably the instigator of the mushroom-influenced psi-tests Z (I think) reported in another thread.
I'm fairly certain that he worked on some esp related communications projects, and if and when someone takes on the writing of his biography, I hope they will be able to prove this. Right now it's just a supposition developed from backtracking a clue given in his resume.
rose
Quote from: rose on October 14, 2013, 12:34:58 AM
Pimader, Kitselman wrote that he became interested while doing the coin flip experiment for a stats class. If I recall correctly, he began predicting the outcomes as a means of entertaining himself and found that his success rate appeared to be greater than chance. I suspect that he was probably the instigator of the mushroom-influenced psi-tests Z (I think) reported in another thread.
I'm fairly certain that he worked on some esp related communications projects, and if and when someone takes on the writing of his biography, I hope they will be able to prove this. Right now it's just a supposition developed from backtracking a clue given in his resume.
rose
Well there is a guy who worked for SRI called Dean Radin, http://noetic.org/directory/person/dean-radin/ he effectively took the coin tossing to a new level and did something called meta-analysis on the good psi tests throughout the literature and demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that psi is real (yes we already knew but to mainstream science). Science has omitted that part from the text books thus far. ::)
The Radin-SRI link brings us back to Remote Viewing. I don't know why but we keep ending up there don't we. ;D
Interestingly, I think a lot of early remote viewers spent time in Hawaii. Even Colonel John Alexander paid a visit I believe. Was there already something happening in Hawaii I have completely overlooked? If I missed something really obvious I will be a bit irritated with myself.
Obviously, the whole "esp related communications projects" is a massive interest of mine. Is there a link in your blog to his resume? Go on, give me a clue....
I hold a space in my head for the Hawaii backstory to develop. I know some irrelevant fragments, but I think there is something more there, but haven't enough evidence yet, to make even a speculative conjecture.
Here are the statements from the resume that got my attention, but truthfully, I have no idea what the first means.
QuoteBy 1961 had developed a statistical method whereby "continuum transmission" may be added to the repertory of predictive methods; verified this in 1961-1963.
,,,,In 1961 prepared a report on para-prediction which led to Air Force Cambridge Research Laboratory
Project 4610, which appeared. in May of 1963.
The second however, is the only line in the whole vita which mentions as specific month of a specific year. As I recall from my search experience, the first results were not the relevant ones, however the Google situation may have changed by now.
rose
Thanks Rose. This topic has been drifting so I'll PM you further thoughts. I feel like we are having a private chat in public :o :)
While it is true that there are links for Jack and L. Ron to Crowley, they are more links to the O.T.O. Both Jack and L Ron were members, Crowley was "fearless leader" at the time.
There is an old story in Occult circles that the whole thing was a bet between Parsons and Hubbard. Basically; that L Ron could "make up" a religion and "sell it" to the masses...he won.
Scientology is basically "Thelema" wrapped up for the O.T.O., watered down and repackaged again for public consumption. It was actually rather clever.
In SciFi fandom the tidbit was floating around that LRon was at a convention with John W. Campbell Jr. and said to Him, "If I wanted to get rich, I'd start a religion."
The sources for that were reasonably credible...
Quote from: Anthra on October 14, 2013, 05:11:57 AM
While it is true that there are links for Jack and L. Ron to Crowley, they are more links to the O.T.O. Both Jack and L Ron were members, Crowley was "fearless leader" at the time.
Your right the OTO is link is well known. I posted this because I was asked about the golden Dawn and it is less well known that Hubbard's first newsletter was called "The Golden Dawn" or that his cross was a copy of the Golden Dawn one. Also a lot of OTO symbolism is borrowed from GD.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 14, 2013, 07:38:35 AM
"If I wanted to get rich, I'd start a religion."
Well there ya go!!! That is the way we get rich :D
We shall create a Pegasus religion... :o
We'll get some of those cool Ori staffs and have PWM's inventors group fit them with some awesome disruptor weapon
:D
"Katie asks him, "But didn't L. Ron Hubbard say that Zorgon came from a planet 10000 years ago and planted humans on Earth?"
http://bitchesonboats.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html
::)
Quote from: Pimander on October 14, 2013, 10:13:08 AM
Your right the OTO is link is well known. I posted this because I was asked about the golden Dawn and it is less well known that Hubbard's first newsletter was called "The Golden Dawn" or that his cross was a copy of the Golden Dawn one. Also a lot of OTO symbolism is borrowed from GD.
I think a lot of the secret societies were intertwined with each other on some level or other. Some members belonged to multilple secret societies at the same time.
QuoteMembers of the Vril Society are said to have included Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Göring, and Hitler's personal physician, Dr. Theodor Morell. These were original members of the Thule Society which supposedly joined Vril in 1919. The NSDAP (NationalSozialistische Deutsche ArbeiterPartei) was created by Thule in 1920, one year later. Dr. Krohn, who helped to create the Nazi flag, was also a Thulist.
With Hitler in power in 1933, both Thule and Vril Gesellschafts allegedly received official state backing for continued disc development programs aimed at both spaceflight and possibly a war machine.
After 1941 Hitler forbade secret societies, so both Thule and Vril were documented under the SS E-IV unit.
The claim of an ability to travel in some inter-dimensional mode is similar to Vril claims of channeled flight with the Jenseitsflugmaschine (Other World Flight Machine) and the Vril Flugscheiben (Flight Discs).
This secret society has it's roots and inspirtion from a science fiction book!
Vril: The Power of the Coming Race (original title), also known as The Coming Race is a novel published in 1870 by Edward Bulwer-Lytton. Edward Bulwer-Lytton was a member of British Royalty. He was involved in politics and became the Secretary of State for the Colonies. He was a poet, playwright and novelist who authored many books, the most popular being, "The Last Days of Pompeii". He also wrote Zanoni and the Coming Race. He was a member of the Hermatic order of the Golden Dawn. Most people associated with secret societies and occult lodges never took his work, The Coming Race as mere fiction. but truth veiled in a fictional story The novel is an early example of science fiction, sometimes cited as the first of this genre. The elements believed as truth was that a superior subterranean master race with the energy-form called Vril , and their claim to rise and conquer the surface race someday,was accurate, to the extent that some wealty and influential members Bulwer-Lytton who were theosophists accepted the book as truth and began to act upon their beliefs.
http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Musium13%20vril_society.htm (http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Musium13%20vril_society.htm)