This is a recent YouTube addition. While it is interesting, for reason, it doesn't cover a lot of detail. The person presenting does seem to be knowledgeable of his career experience. Maybe no surprises here, just another one to add to the pile! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4hycqDNnPE
Hey! I've seen those buildings and structures too! ::) ;D
Ya it's one of Greer's Sirius witness testimony interviews.
I posted one by Don Phillips on extra terrestrial technology in the UFO section. A must watch.
I mean what the hell is going on? I can't see Phillips making it up!
But there is no way he could say what he did without serious repercussions!!
Maybe there should be a thread with the full set posted.
There are quite a few!
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 04, 2013, 03:37:49 AM
Hey! I've seen those buildings and structures too! ::) ;D
That is what I meant by saying "add it to the pile" ~~~~ to the PILE of those who say they have seen!! :))
I really have looked at the Moon very little. I just cannot get away from all that is to be found on Mars. Yet, actually the Moon may hold what is immediately way more important to us, than Mars. Both are probably beyond what even we might begun think!! As the Apollo astronaut said, "The most unreal looking :real thing I've ever seen. If that makes any sense".
Sgt Karl Wolf is a buffoon and a liar :D
Quote from: zorgon on December 04, 2013, 04:31:44 AM
Sgt Karl Wolf is a buffoon and a liar :D
As ArMaP might say, do you have any high resolution photos in that regard?!! :)
First of all the Lunar Orbiter images came in on 70 TAPE not 35 MM FILM strips, from which they created 16x20 negatives then made contact prints of those.
Second of all he says he worked there a few weeks in June/July 1965 as a photo machine repair person
So how did he see Lunar Orbiter pictures when the first Lunar Orbiter wasn't launched until Nov 1966?
::)
Quote from: zorgon on December 04, 2013, 04:31:44 AM
Sgt Karl Wolf is a buffoon and a liar :D
Well, I guess he won't be linning up to be a member anytime soon.. ;D
Quote from: rdunk on December 04, 2013, 04:35:05 AM
As ArMaP might say, do you have any high resolution photos in that regard?!! :)
Yes we do....
Here are the 70 mm Lunar Orbiter tapes
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/2878302406_218461cb10_b.jpg)
We had the scoop on that release :D
The McMoon Case
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/2873888043_6cfbcfb0d7_b.jpg)
This was a thread that all the usual skeptics came into at ATS and all ran away like cock roaches. One did actually apologize publicly :D Doctor X came along and told them it was real :D
Yeah it's too much.. On one hand he says 'We took our clearances seriously'. Then there's a 'guy' that's just dying to show him stuff on a need to know basis?
We had a tech come on the weekend to due some maintenance on our Kw26's & Kg13's (crypto). He saw some stuff about Noriega then repeated what he saw. Man I can tell you, we never saw him again. (Sorry I'm rambling, on meds for the flu)!
Quote from: deuem on December 04, 2013, 04:39:08 AM
Well, I guess he won't be linning up to be a member anytime soon.. ;D
We wrote Greer an co. several times to get an answer and always were ignored. If you listen to that speech on different videos over the years it is always the same... like reading from a script
This one and Carol Rosin are two that made me realized that the Disclosure Project was just a huge disinfo campaign and when Dr Elizabeth Rauscher popped in as Greer's handler... that was the death blow
Quote from: zorgon on December 04, 2013, 04:36:11 AM
First of all the Lunar Orbiter images came in on 70 TAPE not 35 MM FILM strips, from which they created 16x20 negatives then made contact prints of those.
Second of all he says he worked there a few weeks in June/July 1965 as a photo machine repair person
So how did he see Lunar Orbiter pictures when the first Lunar Orbiter wasn't launched until Nov 1966?
::)
I take EVERYTHING out of Greer's corner with heavy doses of salt. I watched it and I kept getting the sense I was watching an actor. Also... He was wishy-washy... Like "I read Corso and I can believe Him." Not, "I read Corso and YEAH!" Pffffft.
Hey Z, Where are all those tapes now and how can we see them? Are you going to tell me they are out front? or hiding in the peggy basement waiting for someone to transfer them to video 70mm is nice film stock. Like Imax. They can use the 70 mil in 2 dirrections, horizontal or vertical. Vertical is common for movies, horizontal is common for Imax and great pictures. Which way are they? I hope horizontal like a camera. Today you can go dirrect from the film stock to a photo in the computer with the right scanner.
So are they movies or photos?
Deuem
Sarge, hope You feel better soon.
Quote from: zorgon on December 04, 2013, 04:43:13 AM
We wrote Greer an co. several times to get an answer and always were ignored. If you listen to that speech on different videos over the years it is always the same... like reading from a script
This one and Carol Rosin are two that made me realized that the Disclosure Project was just a huge disinfo campaign and when Dr Elizabeth Rauscher popped in as Greer's handler... that was the death blow
That is My biggest clue... When repeated efforts to make contact go unanswered.
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 04, 2013, 04:44:59 AM
I watched it and I kept getting the sense I was watching an actor. Also... He was wishy-washy...
yeah scripted... with enough good sounding stuff to keep the rank believer drooling.
All those people "I will testify before congress..." Well SCREW congress... they will NEVER listen much less do anything...
Tell US Show US the documents you claim to have. I am getting sick and tired of these guys stating "I have stuff to show you but only before congress." What a load of bull crap
Put up or shut up. If you really have these documents get them to the right people and they will go viral THEN congress will pay attention :D
Can I get a happy meal and a couple 70mm to go? ::)
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 04, 2013, 04:53:35 AM
Sarge, hope You feel better soon.
That is My biggest clue... When repeated efforts to make contact go unanswered.
Amy, that is not a very good clue, maybe they just don't want to talk to you. Have you ever recieved an answer from Obumma? These people could care less who you/we are. If they did they would seek you/us out. Don't feel bad, just feel Rejected...
A person like Greer must get thousands of people knocking on his door. I would look for better clues....
Deuem
Quote from: deuem on December 04, 2013, 04:52:29 AM
Hey Z, Where are all those tapes now and how can we see them?
Well that is a long story.... I know where we can get them but the ones we saw didn't get much better quality that we already had from the USGS and ASU scans.
Can we access the whole lot? Don't know We stopped following up on that a few years ago. I can contact the team... and I can bug Dr X ( the guy from JPL that had them all those years in his garage) and get him over here if he is still kicking) He was at Kwajalien the same time as Jack was
QuoteAre you going to tell me they are out front? or hiding in the peggy basement waiting for someone to transfer them to video 70mm is nice film stock. Like Imax.
Not 70MM film 70MM Ampex recording tape. See that Ampex machine in the McDonald's pirate photo? It is the ONLY one in existance that is working and they needed a lot to get it repaired.
QuoteSo are they movies or photos?
Lunar orbiters took the photo on the space craft and processed the 70MM film on board. Then scanned the strip and sent signals to Earth. The original negatives were deliberately crashed on the moon
Quote from: deuem on December 04, 2013, 05:01:33 AM
I would look for better clues....
Like easily verifiable data that shows him to be a liar?
::)
It sucks... because I was all gungho when the Disclosure Project first came out.... I even posted a page for Karl Wolf until I caught that date... You can still see my AWW CRAP moment at ATS :D
What about www.moonviews.com?
Quote from: A51Watcher on December 04, 2013, 04:59:46 AM
Can I get a happy meal and a couple 70mm to go? ::)
When all was said and done with that McMoon thread (Dennis Wingo REALLY freaked out when we tracked his actual location so fast), one of the team members wrote me and said "Look... no hard feelings, we all want the same thing here. If you let that thread die, we will make it worth your while"
Well the thread was almost done anyway as there was no new info... so we let it die.
That letter was cc'd with one other name that wasn't in previous group letters. I filed that name away, and the NASA email address that came with it... but then we never followed up on it because people lost interest and I got busy on other topics
And mostly... I didn't know what to ask.... and didn't want to waste the opportunity. Then tempis fugit and I never followed up
That name was John Phillips read his biography here CAREFULLY and then ask why was he involved in these missing lunar orbiter tapes?
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/phillips.html
Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project (LOIRP) Status 27 November 2013.
By Keith Cowing and Dennis WingoQuoteDennis WIngo: Status, end of day, December 2, 2013.
Today has been a marathon tape day. We started with M5-126 and made it al l the way through M5-150! Lots of not neededs and few frame let captures but we are now to the final day of image capture (from the ground station's perspective) and we will complete through M5-158 tomorrow, good lord willing and the creek don't rise as the old saying goes.
Will do the final listing after I finish the tapes tomorrow.
We will then go back and see what we have missed. I know of a couple of images that we mistakenly did not capture from Woomera. However, it is highly likely that by CoB Wednesday, we will have finished the Lunar Orbiter V captures. This mission had by far the most tapes and images. There are many really cool images that are NOT on the LPI website or the USGS. We look forward to providing these to the lunar science community...
http://www.moonviews.com/
Moonviews: Archiveshttp://www.moonviews.com/archives.html
So... to answer your question...
WORK IN PROGRESS
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 04, 2013, 05:05:54 AM
What about www.moonviews.com?
LOL you posted while I was typing :P Yeah Moonviews
That info is in the original McMoon Thread one of our best threads ever :D
I will write Dr X right now and see if he is still around
Problem is Wingo et al cannot be trusted to show us ALL the images especially if they do show something that shouldn't be there. And with that Navy Astronaut involved... well crap... I think that is why we stopped following it... figured there was no way we would ever see any good stuff
Though Dr X had the tapes all these years, seems he was kicked off the team
Ok, Z, you said tapes not film stock. I presume it is then something like a VCR tape with just data and needs to be processed. Ok, But why are there a hundred canisters on the floor, Copies? or is each one an original.
Standard VCR tape is 1/2 inch. Broadcast cameras start at 3/4 inch and the real good ones are 1 inch. But, 1 inch is only 25mm. So 70mm must have 3 times the info. Like HD would have compared to an 8mm film. If all the films are different then the camera must have been a video camera on a loop otherwise the craft would need to carry a lot of film and do a change over in flight. Any idea, is it 100 copies or 100 tapes?
As far as the crash. That is NASA at its best, Dumping garbage all over the universe. No wonder the Moon Aliens told them to stay off the lawn. :o
Deuem
Quote from: deuem on December 04, 2013, 05:01:33 AM
Amy, that is not a very good clue, maybe they just don't want to talk to you. Have you ever recieved an answer from Obumma? These people could care less who you/we are. If they did they would seek you/us out. Don't feel bad, just feel Rejected...
A person like Greer must get thousands of people knocking on his door. I would look for better clues....
Deuem
No, but I got a response from Karen Hudes... [shrug]
Quote from: deuem on December 04, 2013, 05:23:06 AM
Ok, Z, you said tapes not film stock. I presume it is then something like a VCR tape with just data and needs to be processed. Ok, But why are there a hundred canisters on the floor, Copies? or is each one an original.
Each one is an original There were 5 Lunar Orbiters that were shooting for weeks Mapped most of the surface in high resolution
But the old Ampex system was scrapped. They found that machine in a garage that was used as a chicken coup :D It was in rough shape. His seeking parts for it was how we tracked him to where that McD's was located :D
QuoteAny idea, is it 100 copies or 100 tapes?
Several hundred tapes.... had the exact count on that thread (which you could read :P I removed all the BS posts from ATS when we copied it here)
QuoteAs far as the crash. That is NASA at its best, Dumping garbage all over the universe. No wonder the Moon Aliens told them to stay off the lawn. :o
yes I made posts on the website NASA: Cosmic Literbugs. I figure it was there way to cover up any real debris from Aliens :D
Comparison of the old and the restored version of a famous photo from Lunar Orbiter
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Earthise.old.new.med.jpg)
One of the two Ampex FR-900 instrumentation tape drives located at the facilities of the Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project (LOIRP) at NASA Ames Research Center. This tape drive is used to recover images of the moon that were sent from the Lunar Orbiter probes, and recorded to tape using an FR-900 like the one pictured.
Date 5 August 2011
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Ampex_FR-900_at_LOIRP.jpg)
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 04, 2013, 05:35:55 AM
No, but I got a response from Karen Hudes... [shrug]
Karen the whistle blower? Ok what did she tell you? Don't bother me again or I want to be part of your team? Do you have her home telephone number? Get together for Skype chats? I don't see her here as an active member? Ok, I will stop being silly..
What I am saying is that contacting someone and really being in contact are different. With Greer it would be his post I would respond to and he respond back. Still waiting. Also waiting for Bob Lazar to show up and he has been contacted and a friend of Johns.
Good summary here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOIRP
I just wrote Dr X Seems he did try to log in here in Nov 2012... but got lost in the forum mess and was using the old forum to get in
Quote from: deuem on December 04, 2013, 05:52:09 AM
What I am saying is that contacting someone and really being in contact are different.
True that I tried to contact Jim Garvin from NASA got ignored but he did respond to ArMaP in Portugal and we got our answer
I will try Bob lazar again... let me try him on other issues than the UFO stuff
Like the radiation stuff since he sells science projects. Maybe he will pop in under the inventors group :D
I remember the mcmoon thread , awesome work.
It beggars belief that those tapes and priceless machine ended up were they did.
wtf were they doing? Just hiding stuff in the most random places! Like that.
Weird.
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 04, 2013, 05:35:55 AM
No, but I got a response from Karen Hudes... [shrug]
What was said?
Quote from: zorgon on December 04, 2013, 04:31:44 AM
Sgt Karl Wolf is a buffoon and a liar :D
Alternatively, he lied under order to make the disclosure conference look silly. Why would he make that up?
ETA: And yes, it does look like disinfo. These guys would be locked up surely if they were revealing state secrets..... They have been ordered to say this most likely. question is why.
Quote from: Sinny on December 04, 2013, 10:51:47 AM
What was said?
QuoteDear Amaterasu,
Thanks for your nutshell.
We need to transition from here to there.
Best,
Karen
I wrote back letting Her know that I cover that in the links I provided over and above the link to My vid.
Did not get a response past that.
Quote from: Pimander on December 04, 2013, 12:38:43 PM
Alternatively, he lied under order to make the disclosure conference look silly. Why would he make that up?
ETA: And yes, it does look like disinfo. These guys would be locked up surely if they were revealing state secrets..... They have been ordered to say this most likely. question is why.
The WHY of this I suspect comes in relative to a need to control disclosure. To precondition Human response in a specific direction. Personally, I would love to sit down with any who are out there and give My humble perspective for Theirs. I suggest that as a Human, what I see is just as valid as any Other of Us sentient, sapient Beings in this Universe.
I would offer no harm as a stipulation in the encounter. [smile]
Quote from: Pimander on December 04, 2013, 12:38:43 PM
Alternatively, he lied under order to make the disclosure conference look silly. Why would he make that up?
ETA: And yes, it does look like disinfo. These guys would be locked up surely if they were revealing state secrets..... They have been ordered to say this most likely. question is why.
That's my hunch to pim, why else would don Phillips with his background in serious classified projects come forward and make his claims.
" oh yeah we have a device that not only detects cancer it cures it! "
Really? prove it cos your reputation and pension could be at stake not to merino your safety.
Don't remember Phillips from the original disclosure project but the others are almost word for word repeated stories.
And as expected ZERO evidence. There's an agenda at play.