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Airplanes in Medieval Times?

Madonna and Child (21x15 cm) by Carlo Crivelli in the Pinacoteca Civica di Ancona

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(http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Crivelli_Madonna_part.jpg)

(http://www.hwh22.it/fotoimages/02_artufo/Crivelli_Madonna_part1.jpg)

AYe, just don't bear any resemblance to ducks or geese...
I also find it interesting that a lot of those exquisite old paintings appear to have numerous saucer and cigar shaped artifacts present...


seeker

You'll recognise this One Z or similar  ....

I have a collection of UFO in old paintings on Livingmoon  but never saw this one. Its hard to find though it is featured on that Italian debunker site.

He ignores the airplanes and says the 'rockets' are towers  I buy that... but WHAT ABOUT THE AIRPLANES

LOL Skeptics have tunnel vision :P

Always like THIS one  with the little man and his dog looking UP at the UFO

(http://www.ancientx.com/nm/articlefiles/17-madonna_ufo.jpg)

I think you will find, there is less known about our past history, than what is admitted by those
responsible for writing the history books ?

I think there have been many civilisations who have been very intelligent in the past !

Perhaps it is the "Education System" which is responsible, for presenting History as they are directed !

There are Aliens mentioned in biblical History but we 1st have to understand the writings
before we can tell what's what.

primarily the writings are about the history of The Soul.

When this is understood in its Correct Context it is Easier to tell what is about the Alien Species.

Sadly much has been removed or change throughout history, by various Institutions !

Even "The Gospel of Thomas" refers to this !  Quote;

Quote39.   Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the Scribes

have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE

and HIDDEN THEM.

They themselves have NOT entered,

nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

, , , , but, WHY "air" craft?

They gots flying saucers!

Just askin,, ,  ;D

Quote from: Norval on February 11, 2014, 06:44:32 AM
, , , , but, WHY "air" craft?

They gots flying saucers!

Just askin,, ,  ;D

Very simple really one doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the pleasures
in the Experience, some of us enjoy their Toys. I enjoy such past times, as Climbing, Some Enjoy Caving,
Some enjoy kayaking, while others like tramping or just walking in the evenings !

Those on Earth desire Technologies ... while others just accept Alien Tech. as an every day experience.

Some large Alien "Transport Interfaces" have recreation areas in them, such as Bush walks,
climbing and Gaming rooms involving Sports you have never dreamed of !

Many larger Craft have like restaurants and other social areas.

Even in this Small craft about 60 Meters Long had a restaurant in its mid section and a smaller craft
mounted at the rear.

This a "Side Elevation" of just one of the "Transport Interfaces" Craft I have been on !





and a "Plan Elevation" of the same Craft ...





and the Front Section... a "Cross section View" looking Forward ...





Even this little Craft ... we crossed whole Galaxies in minutes ...   :)

A little beyond the "Technology" you have on Earth  :)...

So I might know just a little, about this Technology ....    :)


Added.....

And a "Side Cross Section View" of the Front section ...   :)

i never cared for that original pic..the wierd looking babe holding a bird on a string in one hand and whatever that is in the other..ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

just a personal point of view

Indeed, Seeker, what were they seeing, as such tech items wouldnt even be within their range of understanding?

So then why would they draw or paint an airplane, or rocket, without ever seeing or perceiving one?

We can suggest they were artifacts of past memories, ingrained in our dna from a time when aircraft filled the skies...

We can suggest, those planes might be from another time...maybe even from experiences such as we see occuring in various locations such as the Bermuda Triangle....

Or, they could be stylized birds and towers, who knows what the artist was thinking?

Personally when I see these artifacts, some authentic, some maybe not, I am reminded that history has been concealed and tucked neatly away for a chosen few in its true form, and many things are possible...but I dont feel if those are planes and rockets, they are from medieval times, but from either a dimensional rift, or visitation from some distant place, whereas the ones who did the visiting, tried to emulate what we have today flying around through the communications and signals we sent over that last couple hundred years....and the visitors, in emulating our modern aircraft, fashioned their own transports in the style of those aircraft.

They just were off by a few centuries or so in the context of time and how our world would appear when they arrived here....otherwise they wouldve not bothered with emulating airplanes, as medieval mankind wouldnt have understood what those flying things were anyways in their own times.

Or, I could be completely wrong.....

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masolini Dapanacale


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The Assumption 1490


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1330


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Woodcut 1479


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Nurnberg 1561.


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Hamburg 1697.


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Paolo Uccello 1460.


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Tanzanian Rock Art.


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Bruge 1538.


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Sahara Rock art.


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17th Century Fresco.


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Mexico dated 7000 years.


(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/ufomoses_zpsb7bfdc83.jpg)

Moses gets his freak on.

Found a great source for Saucers in artwork....place called The Living Moon....sounds interesting...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/UFOs_in_Art_01.html

Very Thought provoking Matrix !

Just how big can these Ships be ? Are they larger ones than what you describe ?

Are there any that behave similar to what we are led to see in Star Trek ?

Can they transport down to planets or be beemed up back to the ship  like in Star Trek ?

Was star trek designed on ET ship reality ?

Have Humans as far as you know managed to design and travel in similar ships ?  or will they ?

I very much look forward to your descriptions on the experiences with ETs & your travels... :)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 11, 2014, 07:38:29 AM
Very simple really one doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the pleasures
in the Experience, some of us enjoy their Toys. I enjoy such past times, as Climbing, Some Enjoy Caving,
Some enjoy kayaking, while others like tramping or just walking in the evenings !

Those on Earth desire Technologies ... while others just accept Alien Tech. as an every day experience.

Some large Alien "Transport Interfaces" have recreation areas in them, such as Bush walks,
climbing and Gaming rooms involving Sports you have never dreamed of !

Many larger Craft have like restaurants and other social areas.

Even in this Small craft about 60 Meters Long had a restaurant in its mid section and a smaller craft
mounted at the rear.

This a "Side Elevation" of just one of the "Transport Interfaces" Craft I have been on !

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Cylindrical_Craft_01.jpg)

and a "Plan Elevation" of the same Craft ...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Cylindrical_Craft_02.jpg)

and the Front Section... a "Cross section View" looking Forward ...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Cylindrical_Craft_03.jpg)

Even this little Craft ... we crossed whole Galaxies in minutes ...   :)

A little beyond the "Technology" you have on Earth  :)...

So I might know just a little, about this Technology ....    :)


Added.....

And a "Side Cross Section View" of the Front section ...   :)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Cylindrical_Craft_04.jpg)

Quote from: Norval on February 11, 2014, 06:44:32 AM
, , , , but, WHY "air" craft?
They gots flying saucers!
Just askin,, ,  ;D

Have you seen those flying saucers fly in air?  They are all over the place like drunken pilots.  They may be great with their interstellar drives but not so practical for local transport.

I hear their gravity motors tend to distort time when you get near them.

The Starship Enterprise is a huge warp drive ship, but they need smaller shuttled to maneuver on planet :D

The Ancient Vedic scriptures tell us of AIRSHIPS too and I know they had the huge battle cruisers that wiped out cities with atomics or similar

Here is one that likely has anti gravity judging by the size but has wings and tail like a bird to maneuver in the air :D

(https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1380939084/3410183.jpg)

Quote from: astr0144 on February 11, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
Have Humans as far as you know managed to design and travel in similar ships ?  or will they ?

Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA,

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

"Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed's secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions."

"We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won't take someone's lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong."

When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, "Let me ask you. How does ESP work?" The questioner responded with, "All points in time and space are connected?" Rich then said, "That's how it works!"

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on February 11, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
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Paolo Uccello 1460.

THIS ONE  is a Cardinals Hat lying on the ground :D

Quote from: zorgon on February 11, 2014, 07:06:31 PM
THIS ONE  is a Cardinals Hat lying on the ground :D

Yea but what about the guy doing pull-ups? ;D

Quote from: zorgon on February 11, 2014, 07:06:31 PM
THIS ONE  is a Cardinals Hat lying on the ground :D

Empowering the Demiurge through sympathetic elements in art.

Aww, poor cardinal, just like Hey Zeus did he bear the cross.

Perfect way to distract and confuse the laity.

Quote from: zorgon on February 11, 2014, 06:59:46 PM
Have you seen those flying saucers fly in air?  They are all over the place like drunken pilots.  They may be great with their interstellar drives but not so practical for local transport.

I hear their gravity motors tend to distort time when you get near them.

The Starship Enterprise is a huge warp drive ship, but they need smaller shuttled to maneuver on planet :D

I hear a lot of things too, not that I believe them all, , ,  :P

The ones I have seen in our air didn't need wings and were very agile. Some ETs don't do so well smoking pot either.   ;D

QuoteVery Thought provoking Matrix !

Just how big can these Ships be ? Are they larger ones than what you describe ?

Much larger ...

If I were to reveal the Largest I have been on, most on Earth would want lock me away
in a mental institution ... LOL

QuoteAre there any that behave similar to what we are led to see in Star Trek ?

NOT that I have witnessed but that doesn't say there aren't !

QuoteCan they transport down to planets or be beemed up back to the ship  like in Star Trek ?

Transporters ? YES very, very, Common place, but work in an entirely different way,
but I guess the Result is the same...

QuoteWas star trek designed on ET ship reality ?

ALL is "Inspired" by the ONE LIFE or "True Mind", Ones "LIFE" NOT "flesh" is a "Partition" of  ....

("flesh" is only the "Avatar Program")

QuoteHave Humans as far as you know managed to design and travel in similar ships ?

NOT as yet, IF you are referring to "Transport Interfaces" but humankind is desperately
trying to build other types, mainly after the designs of our Undesirable Relatives, (Alien) mentioned in,
"The Book of E'NOCH" (re. our alien Ancestors who "Cross Bred" with the seed, or tree of A'DAM) !

Quoteor will they ?

The Emphasis should NOT to be seen on the "human species" as it is but a temporary experience,
but rather should be on "The Real Self", experiencing the human species on Earth !

When completed, "The Metamorphosis of the Soul" (Processing System) you will probably never see
or experience the Earth again, as this program will have completed it purpose, and then "The Real YOU"
"A Partition of LIFE" NOT the human form or Flesh, will go on to explore other Programs !   :)

Thanks for that Interesting article "Z".


Matrix may not agree with what they describe from his knowledge...But it  really makes one wonder just how advanced that they may be..or if what they have is From some form of E.T connections...

I still question at times that some of the numerous ideas shown in Films and TV Sci Fi programs are based on reality if we are in such contact with advanced species !

QuoteHave Humans as far as you know managed to design and travel in similar ships ?  or will they ?

Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA,

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

Thank you for your further Mind Blowing descriptions Matrix !   :)

I wonder just how busy it is up above between our Earth & the Moon  or just in our Solar system alone ?

QuoteJust how big can these Ships be ? Are they larger ones than what you describe ?
Much larger ...

If I were to reveal the Largest I have been on, most on Earth would want lock me away
in a mental institution ... LOL

QuoteI wonder just how busy it is up above between our Earth & the Moon  or just in our Solar system alone ?

At times very busy ....   :)

I would like to know just what may be up their at times..

You suggest that UFOs are mainly cloaked... and you mention that there are certain times when the Earth in relation to the Sun are in better positions to be able to witness them...ie say between 2 to 4 am..from the Earths shadow....Not sure if the time of year may also effect this, maybe also ones location on Earth.

Although they may be cloaked.... is that to still suggest that they may reflect Sun Light if looking up into Space at Night between these times ?


Otherwise if they are cloaked permanently (Until they decide to uncloak)... then we would not see them or know that they are up their.

If we can see them by reflections of sunlight... then why do the Astronomers all around Earth not notice them..?

Can we see them on a clear night from most locations on Earth ?

QuoteI wonder just how busy it is up above between our Earth & the Moon  or just in our Solar system alone ?

At times very busy ....   :)

Quote from: zorgon on February 11, 2014, 07:04:38 PM
Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA,

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

"Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed's secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions."

"We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won't take someone's lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong."

When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, "Let me ask you. How does ESP work?" The questioner responded with, "All points in time and space are connected?" Rich then said, "That's how it works!"

Here you have one of the most foremost engineer/scientist in the world telling us and people ignore it.  It is too much for some people's finite minds to absorb I guess.  Just why are we kept in the dark.  That I do not understand!

QuoteYou suggest that UFOs are mainly cloaked

Sorry Astr0 you misunderstand me I never said the were cloaked !   :)


What I did say .... They usually only light up when they want to be seen...

What I meant was, when they want to be seen easily, like when approaching a larger carrier,
to enter a Hanger "Port "(Some of which are huge !) and the craft is under Manual Operation !


Otherwise they don't bother lighting up, when under Control by the "Processing System"
as the "Processing System" handles automatically the flight paths between the departure location
and the arrival location.


The larger Craft some in excess of 200 K/m in length I know of .... never approach close
to any planets, but smaller craft leave their births from inside these larger carriers to land,
in often large terminals some K/m's in size, and sometimes having many levels high.

Much, Much, larger than any of our largest airports on Earth !


While at other times occupants "Teleport" to the surface which I have experienced
a number of times myself !.

I have also witnessed a few thousand beings "teleport" to the surface of a planet at one time.

There was a "Sports" like event being held in a huge arena, with a couple of Million beings
attending as "Spectators".

The particular planet was much larger than Jupiter and many, many galaxies away from the Earth ..



With their Technology (Many of the Species I have met) they can "Teleport" you
from inside your own house or anywhere else onto their Transport, if they so desire !

Or onto another Planet or Moon !

And they can do this from any location or time within this Universe.

If they desire to .... They can observe you from any location in this universe, at any time,
and observe you at any location in your history both future and past !

With little effort they can observe All the decisions you have personally made from you
being conceived, right through to the location in time they decide to observe you in !

This would be rather boring to them, and would only be interested in you, IF you had
a burning "desire" to know the "Truth", and if you were at a stage that you would NOT
be threatening to them.

They consider the human species to be extremely threatening and dangerous !

It's NOT the Physical dangers which threaten them, but more from the Contamination
from your "Emotional" Stance !

The human Primate has NO appreciation what so ever of these sorts of threats to them ....   :(

And the human "Primate" has absolutely NO perception at all, regarding these other species in this little Universe unless they have personally both met, and have been shown
a little of WHAT is outside the Earth !

The fact this has happened to me there is NOT a single person on Earth which can change
the Past involving my experiences involving these other Species.

At my stage of Life it doesn't matter if no one believes me, because they can't change anything
I have experienced and I have NO desire whatsoever to prove anything or convince anyone
of anything !   :)

I can only tell you what has happened to myself !

If others wish to learn about this with an Honest Heart I will give them all my time if necessary !

It doesn't matter whether you are a Scientist, or just a simple person of any race.


Much of the Rubbish which is claimed by the resentence of the Earth I don't usually bother
to respond to, and just ignore it !

But if it is to do with LIFE's "Processing System" then I will respond especially if
a load of garbage has been presented by anyone, Ignorant of LIFE's "Processing System".

First of all, youve turned a new page, Matrix, and I as well as others it seems are loving it, keep the sharing up, we miss you!

And, on the emotional contamination, that is one which I am interested in hearing more about, fascinating fare!

Cheers, mate, nice to see you back on track and safe home from travels!

Hi Matrix,

Thks again for your detailed replies...

Wow...that was Very stimulating reading...and indeed very interesting..

I would be very surprised if we all did not want to know more !  :)

This is certainly something that I am curious about !..

So How far away from Earth would you say that these larger craft may be ?   If they are not close to the main Planets...would they be somewhere in between say Mars & Earth ? or well out on the other side of the Larger Planets ?

QuoteThe larger Craft some in excess of 200 K/m in length I know of .... never approach close
to any planets, but smaller craft leave their births from inside these larger carriers to land,
in often large terminals some K/m's in size, and sometimes having many levels high.

Much, Much, larger than any of our largest airports on Earth !

Much more than we envision from Star Trek then . :)

With Gigantic arenas...Wow what sort of sports was going on with these beings then ! and just what sort of size were these Aliens ?
Was it like we see in Star Wars with many different species all competing... that being they may be of similar size..maybe that of around Humans....or were some Giants ?

Was it a mix of variations !

I could not imagine say 100 ft Giant  aliens size of dinosaurs competing with Human sized ones..

QuoteI have also witnessed a few thousand beings "teleport" to the surface of a planet at one time.

There was a "Sports" like event being held in a huge arena, with a couple of Million beings
attending as "Spectators".

The particular planet was much larger than Jupiter and many, many galaxies away from the Earth ..



They consider the human species to be extremely threatening and dangerous !

     

from this description , I can only imagine that the Universe is as small as you suggest in terms of it being an outer mind program . :)

If it is in terms of what we humans imagine.. then that's another incredible thought that requires some imagination !  :o

QuoteWith their Technology (Many of the Species I have met) they can "Teleport" you
from inside your own house or anywhere else onto their Transport, if they so desire !

Or onto another Planet or Moon !

And they can do this from any location or time within this Universe.   

Now this is really thought provoking !

I cannot imagine how hysterical that they may find that !

It is certainly a disturbing thought for us Humans I am sure  :D

We better try and be very careful what we do from now on then  ;D

I assume that would be like looking through a software program to them !

But what Species can do this !... Only certain ones that highly advanced or is it common to most E.T species ?

Quote

If they desire to .... They can observe you from any location in this universe, at any time,
and observe you at any location in your history both future and past !

With little effort they can observe All the decisions you have personally made from you
being conceived, right through to the location in time they decide to observe you in !

This would be rather boring to them, and would only be interested in you, IF you had
a burning "desire" to know the "Truth", and if you were at a stage that you would NOT
be threatening to them.

I would be very surprised that they would be concerned about our emotional state other than maybe to them it just would not really effect them other than maybe trying to communicate with them and that we may not be able to handle it !  ???

QuoteIt's NOT the Physical dangers which threaten them, but more from the Contamination
from your "Emotional" Stance ! 

It is my opinion that if paper like the ones we have today existed in some form during the middle ages then it is not too hard to imagine that kids in those days might have made paper airplanes and tossed them around just as kids do today...LOL