Ok check this one out.
Sanders/A51Watcher/Deuem what you think? (will have to upload to you Deuem).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjJMhyZElSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjJMhyZElSM
It's probably just an aeroplane, the speed is not natural, as it says it was captured on time lapse (at least I suppose "timelpase" means "time lapse").
WTF, ArMap? An AIRPLANE??? I have NEVER seen any plane behave like THAT. Not even close. Never seen one make a turn like that in 2.7 seconds. Slowed down, it is quite clear it is not an airplane. No blinking lights at all, for one thing.
The object appears to be initially moving upwards to the left as we look at it...and then seems to makes a sharpish turn to the right.
If you look closely though , it is curving gradually left to right before the sharp turn. This is more noticeable in the initial part of the film ... from about 22 seconds into the video..rather than the later slowed down version...
It can be quite deceiving when watching aircraft making a turn when looking up in the sky as to what angle and inclination that it is relative to the observer..
If the true speed was as shown in the initial part of the film, then I do not think that I have ever seen a aircraft turn so sharply...
if the true speed is slower... then that may be a different opinion.
It does refer to a speed of 2.7 secs...but I am not sure specifically what that means..
BUT I do not think this is a direct 90 degree turn...
it appears that the craft what ever it is is actually arcing around...
when it seems to peak and appears to turn sharp...
that may or may not give a impression that the turn is sharper than it is..
IF at that peak the aircraft had already tilted its wings to be half way from horizontal to vertical position...or diagonal... then that may explain the appearance of a sharper turn..
Special video analysis may well show details to confirm one way or the other...
At the faster speed it certainly looks almost like a 90 degree turn..and as if it may be a UFO...if I am wrong about the object gradually arcing...
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 08, 2014, 09:36:59 AM
WTF, ArMap? An AIRPLANE??? I have NEVER seen any plane behave like THAT. Not even close. Never seen one make a turn like that in 2.7 seconds. Slowed down, it is quite clear it is not an airplane. No blinking lights at all, for one thing.
Which part of "time lapse" didn't you understand? :)
While that is a hard tun in time lapse, you can see the curve of the turn starting before that sudden turn. We're probably getting an unusual angle that make it look more accentuated than it actually is. UFA. Unidentified flying airplane.
I can see peoples points of views but I really think we just need some one to analyse the footage to confirm what it is. Can't just let it go like that :)
What if the object was coming 'at' the camera? We're dealing with a 3d world. The tendencies of the eye is to see objects in a flat plane. Then the turn would be either going away or coming at you?
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on May 08, 2014, 10:27:17 PM
What if the object was coming 'at' the camera? We're dealing with a 3d world. The tendencies of the eye is to see objects in a flat plane. Then the turn would be either going away or coming at you?
That's what I've thought it was doing from the start coming towards the camera. It appears to get larger from the start position to the point of where it changes direction then stay at the same size from there.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 08, 2014, 01:56:11 PM
Which part of "time lapse" didn't you understand? :)
Which part of "real time" and 2.7 seconds did You miss?
all timelpases's aside, the turn itself is clearly very sharp and unusual for a typical aircraft....
also, note the pulsing, and at one point some sort of exhaust artifact extends behind the craft....whoever is in it, alien or not, is having a fun time out there.
Just wondering if it is a plane then what type of plane is able to do a manoeuvre like that? I gather an aerobatic plane can pull it off or advance military craft in under a second?
I would think you would see one wing pointing upwards and one downwards (banking)?
Flux,
If it is not a UFO, I think that's the same sort of thing that I was subconsciously wondering about...
and I wonder if the aerobatic planes may be the only ones that could do that type of maneuver...
If I recall from seeing them at airshows..(Mainly on TV) they do ascend to a high point and then make relatively sharp turns.
Depending where one is looking in relation to the angle of the aircraft..
maybe like Sarge suggests...does it appear visually as in 2 dimension Flat plane) or 3 dimension (3 d)..
with it being at night...I have not seen aerobatics in the dark before..but this may also make it appear differently...
That's the only other explanation that I can think off at the moment !
I would like John Lear's Opinion on it with him being a top Pilot...
Wish John would come back to posting !
and yes as L.E says... there appears some sort of exhaust fumes behind the craft...much harder to see at night !
This may give some idea of the types of maneuvers that they can do..
A reminder what sort of moves that they can perform !
see about 2 mins 10 secs to 2 min 30 secs.. where the aircraft ascends, pivots , rotates or twists and turns..and how the wings changes from a horizontal to a vertical position...although this is relative to the position of the aircraft as we may visualize it in a normal on the ground X.Y axix...but in this case, if the aircraft is ascending...it maybe that the Horizontal axis is now appearing vertically...and when it turns..what seems a change to looking vertical is now horizontal but the wings are now showing to us as being vertical..ie one wing higher and direct above the other...if you can understand what I am trying to say ! ??? :)
Depending upon how we may view it or visualize it and from what direction , as to how we could see the maneuver..where you could have numerous views of it all different if you were to be looking at the same manuver but from various points of the compass...if you were able to observe it in differing locations of observation...
so if say we had 8 or more people all spread equally around the pivot point when the craft peaks..if we were all filming from the North, East , south, west and inbetween's...NE, SE..SW NW etc..we would all see the maneuver from differing directions and what we would see would all vary in terms of how we may determine our observations of the turn...
To some of us we would see a sharper turn than others..
And that is why I think it is so difficult to decipher what we are seeing !
http://vimeo.com/14476792
Diagrams of some of the maneuvers..
http://www.peregrineaerospace.com/ps/aerobatic.html
Maybe even Helicopters as well....
http://helidaily.com/f3n-%E2%80%93-the-new-fai-official-format-for-3d-helicopter-competition/
QuoteI gather an aerobatic plane can pull it off or advance military craft in under a second?
I would think you would see one wing pointing upwards and one downwards (banking)?
Quote from: Flux on May 08, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
Ok check this one out.
Sanders/A51Watcher/Deuem what you think? (will have to upload to you Deuem).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjJMhyZElSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjJMhyZElSM
I will have a go at it.
Cheers,
Sander
Le -
The 'exhaust artifact extends behind the craft' we see may be the typical 'trailing' of light we commonly see in night vision footage.
If the photographer were to move the camera on it's tripod from side to side a bit, you would see all the stars leaving trails from side to side also. (if he were filming in real time.)
NV footage looks and works a lot like the old radar displays, with phosphorus slow decay of image look. (Persistence Of Vision)
The poorly spelled label of 'time lapse' is on the footage, I think that is the key and explains a lot.
Take a look at some other time lapse footage for comparison of the effect here -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6gO8sVk84g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6gO8sVk84g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6gO8sVk84g)
We can see many objects streaking through the sky at what appear to be amazing speeds, but actually they are not. Notice the people on the ground moving at amazing speeds also, but actually they are not.
So without time lapse this footage would be much slower, and not nearly as impressive.
When the video refers to original speed and slowed down speed, it means of the original time lapse.
So... would not a helicopter flying along and then making a sudden turn, filmed at slow speed (time lapse) and then played back at normal speed not give the same impression?
It would appear to be streaking through the sky and doing a sharp turn, but in reality no.
Or perhaps lifting off up into the air then heading off in some direction.
Or heading towards you then turning, as others have mentioned.
Also I see no trademark illumination effects of gravity propulsion craft, so all in all so far I find nothing really compelling.
Fortunately we have a crack team of processors at Peggy, so I'll leave it to them to uncover anything compelling.
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 09, 2014, 02:29:33 AM
Which part of "real time" and 2.7 seconds did You miss?
I see that you, once more, avoid answering my questions with a clear answer. :)
And no, I didn't miss any thing, I interpreted all that appears on the screen in the order they appear:
1 - "Captured during timelpase Lens a bit fogged up"; Interpreted as meaning that the footage that follows was captured while the camera was in timelapse (I suppose that's what the "timelpase" means) mode
2 - "Realtime"; interpreted as the resulting footage (recorded in timelapse) playing at the speed the video was suppose to be (15, 24, 25, etc. frames per second)
3 - "Again"; a useless waste of time, repeating what was already shown
4 - "Next slowed right down Remember original speed 2.7 seconds"; interpreted as meaning that this is a slowmotion version of the video recorded in timelapse.
I think the biggest factor that shows this is NOT an airplane is that when it makes the turn...it stays EXACTLY the same brightness. An airplane would possibly be bright coming towards One but upon turning, the light level would diminish radically.
preliminary report based on the flv file:
Very pixelated at the moment but not an airplane for sure. Single sourced light and an unusual turn to say the least. I reminded me of a slide turn they do on dirt bikes. Where they arc into a 90 degree turn slam on the brakes so the rear wheel goes out in front and at the last moment you take off in another direction. It is a very hard turn and if done wrong you crack up.
If you notice the speed also changed a lot after the turn, It seemed to go to a crawl or snails pace after the blast in speed. It also seems to have appeared from nowhere.
Single sourced light with many over lapping ring sets.
Calling MATRIX;
This video seems to be over Deuems pay grade. I do not think it is a UFO per say but something on a much higher plane. I need Matrix to think this one over. If you watch the replay, the ball seems to start out of the bottom of a rather large glowing ball. Sort of spit it out the bottom. I have worked on objects like this before. Ok , here is the Ripley believe it or not part that I need Matrix's help with.
It seems to me it is a magnification of thought. It is 100% pure energy being controlled by the larger craft. Sort of a sneak and peek around. Rather any life forms are inside it or not, I don't know.
The large ball does not process like a star while others in the print do. So I think we might be missing the real UFO while looking at the teaser. At this time I can't find any CGI in the vid and everything looks good so far. I do have the better version thanks to Flux. But I think what we are seeing here is over my head. I have done a lot of plasma before but this one gives me the creeps a bit. It is unlike any UFO I've done yet. Because of the plasma colors, it produces many rings, up in the Deuem UFO range. For what ever that is worth now a day.
I'm also sure that when something like this is captured on film that many people will resort to say airplane or fake. When I process, the program has no idea what is going in or what comes out. It does not talk to me. (yet) so it is still just a stupid program that does something. But looking at its results shows me nothing that reminds me of how a plane should look, It is just pure energy. And showing that same constant energy pre turn and after turn!
Maybe Mama UFO sent out a probe to figure out what the guy filming was doing. Like it was taking photos of him taking photos? There is probably some alien Deuem right now processing the work sent back on Alien U-Tube trying his best to figure out what was on the ground and rather that equipment was a weapon or rock.
Oh and try and find out if they could see it with the naked eye. I say it should have been Red in color. Thats my best guess. Thanks for the try,
Over my Pay Grade, Deuem
1st I noticed the Wording in the OP Video...
1. Captured during time lapse
and then,
2. "Real Time".
This implies Contrary to ArMaps interpretation, that what has been picked up in the video,
is from filming a time lapse sequence, where there has been "Bursts" of Real Time capture periodically.
I think ArMap was interpreting that there were long periods between each fame ?
Correct me if I am wrong ArMap.
But the second explanation on screen in the Video says; Quote; "Real Time"
So this leads me to interpret that the Original recording consisted of Bursts of filming
having a non recording period, between each "Burst" ?
So this is why the stars appear to be stationary.
I think we have to understand there are many different UFO's. including what Z calls Critters.
Some Alien .... Some NOT.
For what it is worth, I don't care whether others believe me or not....
I am NOT here to convince anyone of anything, but merely share with you what I do Know !
It is sheer stupidity, to even imagine humans are the only residents in this little Universe !
Some "Species" are Billions of years ahead of the human Primate ..... :)
Various species have different types of transport and any methods (Technology) imagined through
the human Primate is strictly in the Imaginations of the human Species .... :)
What is believed to be Craft like your technology i.e. Spacecraft, can be no further from the truth.
To understand the nature of this Alien Technology, they do NOT use "Energy Based Propulsion Systems"
at all like you would expect ..... contrary to what some may believe.
Because ALL is presented through a "Processing System/s" which we experience
the end result, many different Alien Species have access to the "Processing Systems"
(All is presented through including an integral "Pseudo Processor", More Correctly,
a component of which is an Encoder/Decoding device, namely of the brain.)
and use an "Addressing System" in the Processing System to relocate what you believe
to be a craft.
Often these apparitions or Images are merely an I/O Port accessing a given location in your experience.
As I keep reminding others that WHAT you are experiencing is in fact, Similar to
a "Multiplayer 1st Person Video or Computer Game".
When we come to accept this, then we can start to understand and appreciate WHAT
we are seeing and experiencing.
Different "Technologies" are used in different situations unlike the primitive technology used
by the human species !
A craft like device, often appears within a given "Address" of your Environmental Program, you are jointly
partaking in at the time.
While at other times what is in that location is merely a Video type Interface Port. (used by an Alien observer)
There is NO WAY in hell, you can cross Galaxies in minutes using "Energy Based Propulsion Systems" !
This can ONLY be achieved through Manipulating a Program your experience is generated by or through.
So often WHAT is caught on camera or seen by anyone is NOT as physical as you might believe.
While using the Alien Technology I am referring to such occupants or more correctly Observers
are NOT influenced by the Kinetics involved in the behaviour of your Environment.
So to understand HOW all this works in "Alien Technology" you 1st need to realise WHAT we experience
is very much like a highly sophisticated "Multiplayer 1st Person Computer like Game" !
WHAT we believe to be "Energy" about these so called Craft, is more a transfer of Data
and in other cases an Illumination System, used when appearing in a craft like form, often used
when in proximity to other Transport or structures when such a device is under "manual control"
rather than Programming control.
Ok so it was worth hanging in there 8)
Something is there but not as we know it.
Thanks ;)
Quote from: Flux on May 10, 2014, 05:29:57 AM
Ok so it was worth hanging in there 8)
Something is there but not as we know it.
Thanks ;)
The Confusion comes in where the human species tries to understand what is there...
with very, very limited knowledge.
We can't keep looking for "Energy Based Systems" simply because we know no better !
The "Holographic Universe" being considered at present, in "Quantum Theory" is pointing in the direction
I am trying to present in simple terms, that others may come to understand.
In reality there is nothing really Physical at all, involving anything, but simply a manifestation
presented and controlled through "Software" involving a
Conceptual based "Processing System"
whose origin in actually in/of a Non Dimensional Environment.
We actually experience from this same Non Dimensional Environment via a
Conceptual "
Processing System"
involving an involved but simple Geometric based Language.
So this is why we sometimes experience what appears to be the impossible, almost magical, or supernatural.
But this is only because of our lack of knowledge regarding;
1. This Little Universe is really all about.
2. WHERE this Little Universe actually is.
3. WHAT is actually experiencing it (The Human species or is it Consciousness like Awareness)
and
4. WHYThis may sound like the statements of a mad man, but in reality most on Earth, flee from these thoughts in fear ....
If we can't know or understand the above
4 statements,
HOW the hell are we going to interpret anything Correctly ?
Methinks anyone pondering these issues here regarding flying ufos making hard turns could do well to remember one very important word used by Matrix....
RELOCATE
Cheers!
Just so we have direct ref to LEs statement of Matrix's ref of his word
relocate !
QuoteBecause ALL is presented through a "Processing System/s" which we experience
the end result, many different Alien Species have access to the "Processing Systems"
(All is presented through including an integral "Pseudo Processor", More Correctly,
a component of which is an Encoder/Decoding device, namely of the brain.)
and use an "Addressing System" in the Processing System to relocate what you believe
to be a craft.
Quote from: Littleenki on May 10, 2014, 12:06:30 PM
Methinks anyone pondering these issues here regarding flying ufos making hard turns could do well to remember one very important word used by Matrix....
RELOCATE
Cheers!
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 10, 2014, 05:01:48 AM
I think ArMap was interpreting that there were long periods between each fame ?
Periods longer than the normal frame rate, impossible to know how long, but never really long, maybe one frame per second, as more than that would look "jumpy".
Quote from: ArMaP on May 10, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
Periods longer than the normal frame rate, impossible to know how long, but never really long, maybe one frame per second, as more than that would look "jumpy".
From what I interpret from the Messaging on the Video, is that this clip is from Quote;
QuoteCaptured during time lapse
But in understanding this, IMHO was meant, The filming was "Groups" or "Clusters" of frames,
(taken in/as "Real Time" footage) having a period of time between each "Cluster", where
NO filming took place ! :)
At least for my self it does not matter if it was time lapse or real time. ArMaP, this discussion of time is just distracting to the meaning of the event. If you stop worring about the exact time and study the frames you will ask? where did it come from. It just appeared! So that in my mind is the real question. Did it come from Mom, just sitting there. I caught one frame where it is spitting it out of the bottom. So I consider this event 2 events and no one is noticing the real picture except Crazy Ole me.
Flux, can you ask the film maker if he noticed this? And if he had film where Mom might have moved into position be he did not catch it because it moved slow or just was there on one frame all of a sudden. IMO that is the real stoy here, not the time.
Moma processed real nice. Better than the child. I'm sure ArMaP can process it for you Flux since I'm on vacation.
I've left a message for him in the comments to see if has any other footage and said he's well come to visit the Livingmoon.com to see how the people on here are going about studying the footage.
Great, I would like to see what that object ment to him or if it was there when he set up. Keeping the finger crossed.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 11, 2014, 04:31:35 AM
But in understanding this, IMHO was meant, The filming was "Groups" or "Clusters" of frames,
(taken in/as "Real Time" footage) having a period of time between each "Cluster", where NO filming took place ! :)
I understood what you meant, but I never heard of "time lapse" used in that way.
I sent a YouTube message to Horsefarmer1000 yesterday asking him about it, but still no answer.
(I sent him a message because I cannot post comments on YouTube, as I refuse to create a Google+ account that will be connected to my YouTube account)
Quote from: deuem on May 11, 2014, 08:25:20 AM
At least for my self it does not matter if it was time lapse or real time. ArMaP, this discussion of time is just distracting to the meaning of the event.
Well, the title of the video and thread is "UFO Hard turning high speed craft", so the time is relevant to the speed and I thought that speed was the meaning of the event.
QuoteIf you stop worring about the exact time and study the frames you will ask? where did it come from. It just appeared! So that in my mind is the real question. Did it come from Mom, just sitting there. I caught one frame where it is spitting it out of the bottom. So I consider this event 2 events and no one is noticing the real picture except Crazy Ole me.
The problem is that the video was edited and we don't know how it was edited. While we see the text over the video we can see that the "UFO" was there.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_1.jpg)
Then the text fades and we get (at 00:23.541) this frame.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_2.jpg)
Then, on the next frame, we see the "UFO" starting to move.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_3.jpg)
QuoteMoma processed real nice. Better than the child. I'm sure ArMaP can process it for you Flux since I'm on vacation.
OK, I will do my poor man's version of the three frames above. :)
I belive if you look harder you will find where it spits it out. 36 second mark. The other sections he started a few frames into the event and missed the birth/seperation
Quote from: deuem on May 11, 2014, 01:22:29 PM
I belive if you look harder you will find where it spits it out. 36 second mark. The other sections he started a few frames into the event and missed the birth/seperation
I see it now, thanks.
It looks like his editing of the video is worse than I thought, as the "slow motion" part starts some frames before the "realtime" part.
Any way, here's my PMV processing of the second frame I posted (no need to process the first, as it's the same as the third)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_4.jpg)
And the processing of the third image I posted.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_5.jpg)
Now, can you go in on the spillout/birth frame and do a nice close up and put them side by side. The original crop you start with next to your finished work. say each side 300 pixels.
Question: rather it is fake or real, would you say that it is coming from the large orb or from behind it or ?
Doing a full frame on night vision gets very busy. I also take the green down to 50% before processing. It helps. You can run a sample both ways if you wish. I have done hundreds of them and this seems to help the most to rebalance the colors. But either change the green or not the end result wil be very similar just more green. It will not change the patterns. You should start to see a red/pink craft.
Quote from: deuem on May 11, 2014, 05:05:17 PM
Now, can you go in on the spillout/birth frame and do a nice close up and put them side by side. The original crop you start with next to your finished work. say each side 300 pixels.
I can try. :)
QuoteQuestion: rather it is fake or real, would you say that it is coming from the large orb or from behind it or ?
The problem with something like this is that we cannot know if it's coming from behind, from inside or in front of the larger "orb". As far as we know it could even be a firefly that was not shown as coming from somewhere else first, as the video was edited.
QuoteDoing a full frame on night vision gets very busy.
Yes, I noticed that. :D
I can wait for your try.
Flux is working on getting in touch with him. They are both from New Zealand.
Here's my attempt. :)
The image I used, where the "UFO" has just appeared.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_6.jpg)
The processed image
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_6a.jpg)
I decided to also use another image, just some frames after.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_7.jpg)
The processed image.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Horsefarmer1000_7a.jpg)
The process I used was to split the image in the 3 components and then adjust the levels for the blue and green channels, as neither was using the whole 255 values available. Then the images for each channels was processed (gradient map on Gimp) five times and joined back to create the final image.
Ok, The frame i had looked at was a couple before what you did. Right at the bottom. So the question is after you did this what conclusion did you come to? Is it starting at mom? Is it CGI or real? Can you find anything that is out of place, like a CGI mistake? Any copy and paste lines, any bluring swirls? Stuff like that.
Next attempt to almost fill the frame with Mom and alter the process a bit so that the center of mom is not black. Maybe when you get in tighter it will change for you. I can get a clearer center, not a black one. Don't move the white so black. The only white to leave alone is the 255 or just touch it a bit.
You mentioned something about not having all of the 255 colors. That is correct and the tighter you get in on it the less you might get. So the master levels don't have to juggle so many colors around. Might get down to less that 100 or go right to all 255. depending on the print. But the tighter the crop the better the final master color selection is. The money shot or kill shot as they say.
I would say to keep an eye on the center point, it is the hotest and if you alter it too much it will blur out to black like you show. So try not to flip the white in this photo to dark, keep it on this side of white and not the black side. This is also why I have 4 programs. Sometimes I want to flip it to black as in a white only photo. But I don't like to flip 255 or 0 if I don't have too. So the boundries stay the same overall. I try to work from 1 to 254. If I can. 3 out of 4 programs do this. If I can't then I might slide the entire photo down a step or 2 to get it away from very high or very low. Program Balloons changes every single pixel. I sometimes use that one for spotting.
So I suggest to try again. ArMaP, the original program took 3 months non stop and then years of tweaking and adding programs to get where i am today. As you can see with your system, the concept once you understand it is rather simple, to take it to canvas was very difficult. That is where I say art comes in. What colors to use. Maybe your sister can help up. What is the right color choice. You need to program something to tell it what colors go to what colors. Tweak that with the artist touch! Have you ever seen any of my videos, they all have a color wheel in the begining. It was there for a reason. get one and study which way to go. This was a key left in every video I made. It is not the wheel(s) I used but it is the concept.
Next zero in on one of the stars up in the sky and see the difference to mother. See how mom rings out in gradients and compare her rings to a star. No matter what you currently think the objects are you should be able by now to start comparing them. How many gradients, what shapes and what is the feel of power in them. Stars seem to ring out almost perfect. Very consistant rings and many times only 3 to 5. In your mom/birth photo there is a lot of red wake on the right side. What caused this? Lack of light, no clouds, her? In the original none of this can be seen but with your new magic you can now enter my world.
Quote from: deuem on May 12, 2014, 03:30:06 AM
Ok, The frame i had looked at was a couple before what you did. Right at the bottom.
It would be a great coincidence if I had chosen the same frame as you, I had to choose one at random. :)
QuoteSo the question is after you did this what conclusion did you come to? Is it starting at mom? Is it CGI or real? Can you find anything that is out of place, like a CGI mistake? Any copy and paste lines, any bluring swirls? Stuff like that.
The only thing I can see is that the smaller spot appears from the same place as the bigger one, it's impossible to know if it came from inside, behind or in front of it.
I didn't see any signs of CGI either, but it's easy to hide CGI in something like a night vision camera, as the quality of the images is much lower than that of a normal camera.
As for making more attempts, the method I use doesn't allow for the precise control your method uses, although it's possible, but it would be too time consuming and I don't have the time even for the things I had already started (like my image search engine and a program to show and convert images from the IMG format used by NASA and other space agencies) and that I have not worked in for some months. :(
Quote from: ArMaP on May 12, 2014, 02:07:20 PM
The only thing I can see is that the smaller spot appears from the same place as the bigger one, it's impossible to know if it came from inside, behind or in front of it.
I didn't see any signs of CGI either, but it's easy to hide CGI in something like a night vision camera, as the quality of the images is much lower than that of a normal camera.
And this is where it gets interesting. You, and I have not found any CGI yet, we both know it is possible to hide better in Night vision so we agree. Since you did step into the ring and processed the photo I will release the Mother/Child print below. Just for you. It is a few frames back from yours, when it first started to pop out.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/MomchildBirth.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/MomchildBirth.jpg.html)
From here in it gets like reading tea leaves. reading a slide like the one above is not east to do at first. It must be studied carefully or just going WoW! is OK also.