UFO Hard turning high speed craft

[Flux]

Ok check this one out.
Sanders/A51Watcher/Deuem what you think? (will have to upload to you Deuem).

[ArMaP]

It's probably just an aeroplane, the speed is not natural, as it says it was captured on time lapse (at least I suppose "timelpase" means "time lapse").

[Amaterasu]

WTF, ArMap?  An AIRPLANE???  I have NEVER seen any plane behave like THAT.  Not even close.  Never seen one make a turn like that in 2.7 seconds.  Slowed down, it is quite clear it is not an airplane.  No blinking lights at all, for one thing.

[astr0144]

The object appears to be initially moving upwards to the left as we look at it...and then seems to makes a sharpish turn to the right.

If you look closely though , it is curving gradually left to right before the sharp turn.  This is more noticeable in the initial part of the film ... from about 22 seconds into the video..rather than the later slowed down version...

It can be quite deceiving when watching aircraft making a turn when looking up in the sky as to what angle and inclination that it is relative to the observer..

If the true speed was as shown in the initial part of the film, then I do not think that I have ever seen a aircraft turn so sharply...

if the true speed is slower... then that may be a different opinion.

It does refer to a speed of 2.7 secs...but I am not sure specifically what that means..

BUT I do not think this is a direct 90 degree turn...

it appears that the craft what ever it is is actually arcing around...

when it seems to peak and appears to turn sharp...

that may or may not give a impression that the turn is sharper than it is..

IF at that peak the aircraft had already tilted its wings to be half way from horizontal to vertical position...or diagonal... then that may explain the appearance of a sharper turn..

Special video analysis may well show details to confirm one way or the other...

At the faster speed it certainly looks almost like a 90 degree turn..and as if it may be a UFO...if I am wrong about the object gradually arcing...

[ArMaP]

WTF, ArMap?  An AIRPLANE???  I have NEVER seen any plane behave like THAT.  Not even close.  Never seen one make a turn like that in 2.7 seconds.  Slowed down, it is quite clear it is not an airplane.  No blinking lights at all, for one thing.

Which part of "time lapse" didn't you understand?

[WarToad]

While that is a hard tun in time lapse, you can see the curve of the turn starting before that sudden turn.  We're probably getting an unusual angle that make it look more accentuated than it actually is.   UFA.   Unidentified flying airplane.

[Flux]

I can see peoples points of views but I really think we just need some one to analyse the footage to confirm what it is. Can't just let it go like that

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

What if the object was coming 'at' the camera? We're dealing with a 3d world. The tendencies of the eye is to see objects in a flat plane. Then the turn would be either going away or coming at you?

[Flux]

What if the object was coming 'at' the camera? We're dealing with a 3d world. The tendencies of the eye is to see objects in a flat plane. Then the turn would be either going away or coming at you?

That's what I've thought it was doing from the start coming towards the camera. It appears to get larger from the start position to the point of where it changes direction then stay at the same size from there.

[Amaterasu]

Which part of "time lapse" didn't you understand?

Which part of "real time" and 2.7 seconds did You miss?

[Littleenki]

all timelpases's aside, the turn itself is clearly very sharp and unusual for a typical aircraft....

also, note the pulsing, and at one point some sort of exhaust artifact extends behind the craft....whoever is in it, alien or not, is having a fun time out there.

[Flux]

Just wondering if it is a plane then what type of plane is able to do a manoeuvre like that? I gather an aerobatic plane can pull it off or advance military craft in under a second?

I would think you would see one wing pointing upwards and one downwards (banking)?

[astr0144]

Flux,

If it is not a UFO, I think that's the same sort of thing that I was subconsciously wondering about...

and I wonder if the aerobatic planes may be the only ones that could do that type of maneuver...

If I recall from seeing them at airshows..(Mainly on TV) they do ascend to a high point and then make relatively sharp turns.

Depending where one is looking in relation to the angle of the aircraft..
maybe like Sarge suggests...does it appear visually as in  2 dimension Flat plane)  or 3 dimension (3 d)..

with it being at night...I have not seen aerobatics in the dark before..but this may also make it appear differently...

That's the only other explanation that I can think off at the moment !

I would like John Lear's Opinion on it with him being a top Pilot...
Wish John would come back to posting !

and yes as L.E says... there appears some sort of exhaust fumes behind the craft...much harder to see at night !

This may give some idea of the types of maneuvers that they can do..


A reminder what sort of moves that they can perform !

see about 2 mins 10 secs to 2 min 30 secs.. where the aircraft ascends, pivots , rotates or twists and turns..and how the wings changes from a horizontal to a vertical position...although this is relative to the position of the aircraft as we may visualize it in a normal on the ground  X.Y axix...but in this case, if the aircraft is ascending...it maybe that the Horizontal axis is now appearing vertically...and when it turns..what seems a change to looking vertical is now horizontal but the wings are now showing to us as being vertical..ie one wing higher and direct above the other...if you can understand what I am trying to say !   

Depending upon how we may view it or visualize it and from what direction , as to how we could see the maneuver..where you could have numerous views of it all different if you were to be looking at the same manuver but from various points of the compass...if you were able to observe it in differing locations of observation...

so if say we had 8 or more  people all spread equally around the pivot point when the craft peaks..if we were all filming from the North, East , south, west and inbetween's...NE, SE..SW NW etc..we would all see the maneuver from differing directions and what we would see would all vary in terms of how we  may determine our observations of the turn...
To some of us we would see a sharper turn than others..

And that is why I think it is so difficult to decipher what we are seeing !



Diagrams of some of  the maneuvers..

http://www.peregrineaerospace.com/ps/aerobatic.html

Maybe even Helicopters as well....

http://helidaily.com/f3n-%E2%80%93-the-new-fai-official-format-for-3d-helicopter-competition/

I gather an aerobatic plane can pull it off or advance military craft in under a second?

I would think you would see one wing pointing upwards and one downwards (banking)?

[1967sander]

Ok check this one out.
Sanders/A51Watcher/Deuem what you think? (will have to upload to you Deuem).

I will have a go at it.

Cheers,

Sander

[A51Watcher]

Le -

The 'exhaust artifact extends behind the craft' we see may be the typical 'trailing' of light we commonly see in night vision footage.

If the photographer were to move the camera on it's tripod from side to side a bit, you would see all the stars leaving trails from side to side also. (if he were filming in real time.)


NV footage looks and works a lot like the old radar displays, with phosphorus slow decay of image look. (Persistence Of Vision)


The poorly spelled label of 'time lapse' is on the footage, I think that is the key and explains a lot.


Take a look at some other time lapse footage for comparison of the effect here -







We can see many objects streaking through the sky at what appear to be amazing speeds, but actually they are not. Notice the people on the ground moving at amazing speeds also, but actually they are not.

So without time lapse this footage would be much slower, and not nearly as impressive.

When the video refers to original speed and slowed down speed, it means of the original time lapse.


So... would not a helicopter flying along and then making a sudden turn, filmed at slow speed (time lapse) and then played back at normal speed not give the same impression?

It would appear to be streaking through the sky and doing a sharp turn, but in reality no.

Or perhaps lifting off up into the air then heading off in some direction.

Or heading towards you then turning, as others have mentioned.


Also I see no trademark illumination effects of gravity propulsion craft, so all in all so far I find nothing really compelling.

Fortunately we have a crack team of processors at Peggy, so I'll leave it to them to uncover anything compelling.