http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwKoh53xOi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwKoh53xOi4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwKoh53xOi4)
Very interesting A51Watcher! Since they had no real conscious memory of this happening, kinda makes us wonder how much or how often this has happened over a lot of years? Obviously, somehow they deal with memory at the subconscious level and blot/erase the conscious memories of the events.
i remember unsolved mysteries, A51, think i watched every episode of it and sightings, also in search of with leonard nimoy... thanks for the reminder...let us not forget travis walton and his experience...
@rdunk: john mack did a tremendous volume of work on the abduction phenomana up till his death...tisn't a new subject...
just saying
seeker
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 13, 2014, 08:34:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwKoh53xOi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwKoh53xOi4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwKoh53xOi4)
This absolutely fits the Greys' modus operandi and preferred behavioural profile. The nightmares are also consistent with what happened to me. The Tall Nosed Grey is the ranking officer aboard an abduction vessel; the smaller beings are its' servants. TNGs have extremely powerful telepathic and psionic abilities; they don't need to physically restrain you, because they can set up psionic restraints instead. That was how they held me.
The Greys prefer taking people from lightly populated areas; campsites in the woods, farmhouses, and lonely stretches of highway are all typical sites. They also generally show up during the third and fourth watches of the night; think anywhere between 1:30-4:30 AM or so. That is the coldest and darkest period of the night, when there are the fewest people around.
The thing which finally convinced me that the nightmares were real memories, and that I had actually been taken, was when I read David Jacobs' description of
Mindscan which is the initial point in the abduction, where the TNG establishes its' telepathic/psionic link with you, which allows it to control you. My strongest memory, from any of the nightmares, is having my own face less than three inches away, from the face of a Tall Nosed Grey.
http://www.ufoabduction.com/straighttalk.htm
Quote from: petrus4 on June 14, 2014, 06:05:50 AM
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The Greys prefer taking people from lightly populated areas; campsites in the woods, farmhouses, and lonely stretches of highway are all typical sites. They also generally show up during the third and fourth watches of the night; think anywhere between 1:30-4:30 AM or so. That is the coldest and darkest period of the night, when there are the fewest people around.
The thing which finally convinced me that the nightmares were real memories, and that I had actually been taken, was when I read David Jacobs' description of Mindscan which is the initial point in the abduction, where the TNG establishes its' telepathic/psionic link with you, which allows it to control you. My strongest memory, from any of the nightmares, is having my own face less than three inches away, from the face of a Tall Nosed Grey.
http://www.ufoabduction.com/straighttalk.htm
That's how it happened to me up in medway main at a secluded rest stop on interstate highway 95 one breezy October night 1988.
I did a map reference of two other well known new england states abductions and show where mine occurred. The allagash eagle lake maine incident took place north of where I had the medway maine experience and the betty and barney hill occurred southwest of my experience at north lincoln new hampshire in the white mountain national forrest.
The graphical image in ones head should show a quarter of a circle if one were to imagine a circle for any references linking the locations.
All three incidents had water involved. Betty and barney on route 3 had a river near by, my medway maine incident had a river near by and of course allagash 3 was on eagle lake.
I don't know what it means if anything, but something is going on in new england.
(http://s27.postimg.org/8jp01rjcj/abduction_lines1.jpg)
This is weird, I write about something and this happens. Never seen this before when visiting planet pegasus.
(http://s30.postimg.org/vrhq1soxd/users.jpg)
No ones logged in but 57 guest are watching
Edit to add:
Refreshed the site and now 61 guest are looking. Interesting
Quote from: Gigas on June 14, 2014, 08:50:08 PM
This is weird, I write about something and this happens. Never seen this before when visiting planet pegasus.
(http://s30.postimg.org/vrhq1soxd/users.jpg)
No ones logged in but 57 guest are watching
Edit to add:
Refreshed the site and now 61 guest are looking. Interesting
I could be wrong, but I think I have seen Z mention that he does have means to some information relative to sites that guests are from. ??
The best thing about this case is it throws all the debunkers excuses out the window.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhgumY-GQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhgumY-GQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhgumY-GQQ)
The Alagash video shows an interesting device no one discussed.
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/implant_zpsa9adfd03.png)
Perhaps they don't recall it's use.
That is the nasal tagging device.
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 15, 2014, 01:59:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhgumY-GQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhgumY-GQQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhgumY-GQQ)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/thethread/thethread.htm
I'd strongly recommend reading the book at the above link, which is by Jacobs as well. Given the limited capacity for emotional response that the Greys are known for, and the existence of the hybrid breeding program, the means by which governments are at least possibly obtaining riot police who are completely devoid of empathy and immune to appeal, is becoming clear.
Remember; most of the earliest abduction cases (the Hills etc) took place in the 1960s. That is close to two full generations ago now. Given this, I believe that it is extremely possible that we are looking at a genuine scenario where Reticulan/Human hybrids are walking around with gas masks, nightsticks, and riot gear. Their relative lack of emotion would make them potentially superb infantry; not only because maintenance of morale would no longer be an issue, but also because they would be solely concerned with tactical efficiency, and not the moral or human cost of their actions.
well i've keep my opinion to myself long enough
and i think it' will stay that way..
sorry.. i deleted it...don't feel like sharing today
sigh
:(
Too late, sky.Have read your deleted post.Thoes other
species might just be prisoners, put on this planet with
no real way to escape, many thousands of years ago.
Our 'space program' may be their 'escape attempt' Their
only hope of escape may be complete control of the
human race. (bible story of lucifer and the fallen angels)
rubicon
I don't know what to make of Dr David Jacobs after he did the Emma Woods ufo abduction case debacle.
He started out full of good intentions but later got wired up and weird with a sexual fetish telling Emma he wanted her panties from an abduction experience and then he claimed aliens were out to kill him and he came up with some really weird and bizarre story they were after him and he needed those panties and could Emma send them right away.
Emma Woods was from England I believe and Jacobs was in the states while doing this ufo investigation, slash, book deal.
Jacobs deny s any of it but Woods has proof it happened and even Jacobs good but late friend Bud Hopkins jumped in to defend Jacobs reputation and any credibility Jacobs may of had left.
I see a pattern here with these ufo guys like Lazar, Burish, Jacobs and others that seemed to be used by the powers in charge and to begin with they reveal extraordinary information and then fizzle out in some weird way.
Quote from: petrus4 on June 15, 2014, 08:24:08 AM
the Greys are known for, and the existence of the hybrid breeding program, the means by which governments are at least possibly obtaining riot police who are completely devoid of empathy and immune to appeal, is becoming clear.
Remember; most of the earliest abduction cases (the Hills etc) took place in the 1960s. That is close to two full generations ago now. Given this, I believe that it is extremely possible that we are looking at a genuine scenario where Reticulan/Human hybrids are walking around with gas masks, nightsticks, and riot gear. Their relative lack of emotion would make them potentially superb infantry; not only because maintenance of morale would no longer be an issue, but also because they would be solely concerned with tactical efficiency, and not the moral or human cost of their actions.
I notice this as well and I call them synthetics. Someone is changing mankind into ruthless creatures devoid of humanity for humans and this parasitic organism will torture and kill people without mercy.
This historically reveals a detached entity that thrill kills humanity from as early as history recalls. Just within the last 50 years have we seen behavior that makes no sense and the creature who hides that behavior till a victim becomes ensnared, makes the news and a book or two revealing itself for contemplation.
Those of us awake enough to see it at work know somethings here with us and that something works from the shadows and hides in plain sight as it takes victims.
Funny we've not heard from the anti- ET hypothesis members on this one.
I'd say this one clearly indicates aliens.
Quote from: A51Watcher on August 10, 2014, 10:52:44 PM
Funny we've not heard from the anti- ET hypothesis members on this one.
I'd say this one clearly indicates aliens.
They got abducted
Quote from: A51Watcher on August 10, 2014, 10:52:44 PM
Funny we've not heard from the anti- ET hypothesis members on this one.
I'd say this one clearly indicates aliens.
Well I'm not anti-ET I'm just anti- BS.
If anyone has watched my journey over the last two years, you will know I began this journey believeing in 'Greys', 'Nordics' and 'The Great White Brotherhood'. What a load of old tosh, I'm glad Pimander opended my eye's.
A 'saucer' sat in front of me over 4 years ago - Today I still very much want to know who operated that machine and all of it's orby little probes.
Karla Turner was convinced she was being abducted by aliens.. Before she started to realise the agenda going on was far more insidious than little space beings 'probing us'.
I had a
very life like dream about Greys the once - Scared the hell outta me for two months - do I think they've been probing my anus? Hell to the no. It's more likely who ever was controllling 'my' UFO's had also efforted to influence my thoughts and sub-concious.
I can't watch the OP Video just yet - However from its Wiki entry, there is nothing 'new' about the case thus yet.
I will return with an additional opinion.
I realise I'm bumping opinion with some members now, whom I agreed with before- It's all a learning curve aye.
Quote from: 08rubicon on June 15, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
Thoes other species might just be prisoners, put on this planet with
no real way to escape, many thousands of years ago.
Our 'space program' may be their 'escape attempt' Their
only hope of escape may be complete control of the
human race. (bible story of lucifer and the fallen angels)
rubicon
Interesting thoughts there 08 Rubicon,
I came across some of the most compelling accounts
when investigating the Hypogeum of Saflieni.
Found things I was not expecting at all, witness
accounts of beings living underground....
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6309.msg87719#msg87719
Since this is my day for questions, I notice it's a year and a half since I posted this video in the OP, and I still see no explanation for these guys abduction coming forth such as sleep paralysis, dreams, hallucinations, etc. etc.
Since those explanations obviously don't fit, what are we left with?
Keep in mind this is not the only case with multiple witnesses.
I'll check back in another year and a half.
Quote from: A51Watcher on November 22, 2015, 03:18:08 AM
I'll check back in another year and a half.
It's been a little slow around here since everyone Skyped Out :P
Quote from: zorgon on November 22, 2015, 04:13:21 AM
It's been a little slow around here since everyone Skyped Out :P
Be that as it may, what's your take on this case?
Any explanation besides the obvious?
I wonder if these 4 guys had implants placed in them. It didn't mention that,
Well 4 years now since I posted this case.
STILL no logical explanation except the obvious.
Group dreaming?
Group hallucination?
...Group abduction still seems to be the only logical answer.
@A51W - just picking up this thread now,and did a quick search on the brothers , this came up -
http://www.allagashufotwins.com/
I saw a couple of posts that indicated that Chuck Rek says it was total fabrication for financial gain ? :o
need to do more research - just going through the thread and comments.
Cheers!
Fans' 8)
fans I followed your link and did not see those comments.
any idea if those comments are for real or just slag by naysayers?
@A51, these links -
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/The_Allagash_Abductions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allagash_abductions
https://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/one-of-the-allagash-4-says-that-their-abduction-story-was-bs.17786/
I am searching for the actual 2016 interview with Raknow buddy.
Cheers,
Fans'
@A51, I cant find the original interview with Rak as stated in the articles above buddy.
::) :-\ :-\
Searching on google requires use of keywords...
So if you do the search using THESE words...
"Allagash UFO twin admit hoax"You will find right on top...
Subject of 1976 UFO incident casts doubt on 'Allagash Abductions'
Jessica Potila, SJVT / FhF Staff Writer • September 10, 2016QuoteALLAGASH WILDERNESS WATERWAY — Speaking via telephone from a motel room in Bethany, Missouri on Wednesday, August 31, 2016, Chuck Rak, one of four men who claimed aliens took them while canoeing on Big Eagle Lake in northern Maine 40 years ago, an incident which became internationally known as the "Allagash Abductions," said it did not happen.
A self-portrait oil painting of artist and famed "alien abductee" Chuck Rak. Rak was one of four men who claimed aliens abducted them while canoeing on Big Eagle Lake in the Allagash Wilderness Waterway. (Photo courtesy of Chuck Rak for the SJVT / FhF)
A self-portrait oil painting of artist and famed "alien abductee" Chuck Rak. Rak was one of four men who claimed aliens abducted them while canoeing on Big Eagle Lake in the Allagash Wilderness Waterway. (Photo courtesy of Chuck Rak for the SJVT / FhF)
"The reason I supported the story at first was because I wanted to make money," he said.
Rak, along with Charlie Foltz, and twin brothers Jack and Jim Weiner, all students at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design, embarked on a vacation canoeing the Allagash Wilderness Waterway during the summer of 1976; however, Rak's input has been notably absent in recent years from news stories and documentaries pertaining to the Allagash Abductions.
According to Rak on Wednesday, the group did witness an unidentified flying object during their canoe trip, both on the night of the alleged abductions, and two nights before on Chamberlain Lake. "Oh yes, I saw the craft," Rak said.
QuoteAccording to Rak, the men continued with their trip, and did not discuss the possibility of having been abducted by aliens until years later after Jim Weiner suffered a traumatic fall and began to experience seizures.
"After suffering this fall he started having these visions of humanoid beings levitating above his bed, poking him with needles," Rak said.
Jim Weiner eventually shared his visions with renowned UFO researcher and author Raymond Fowler, after which the group underwent hypnosis with a man named Tony Constantino.
During the regressive hypnosis sessions both the Weiners and Foltz claimed to recall small grey aliens taking them aboard a spacecraft. They said the aliens then performed what they perceived to be medical examinations on the men.
Rak now says his hypnosis experience led to no such recall on his part, although he previously claimed publicly that it did.
Fowler wrote a book about the case in 1993, "The Allagash Abductions." A storm of media attention followed, including appearances by the Allagash Four – as the public dubbed Rak, Foltz and the Weiner brothers – on "The Joan Rivers Show" and an episode of "Unsolved Mysteries."
"We were compelled to stay together, all speculating that this thing could go into the millions of dollars for each of us," Rak said. "We made very little."
Rak said he and the others eventually had a falling out, after which he began telling people that the abductions never took place.
He stopped short of describing the Allagash Abductions as an outright hoax. "I don't call it a hoax, just brilliant storytelling. It's not the truth, but I have to admire the storytelling ability of these guys," he said.
https://fiddleheadfocus.com/2016/09/10/news/community/top-stories/subject-of-1976-ufo-incident-casts-doubt-on-allagash-abductions/
Meanwhile the store is still online
Great google searching Zorgon.
All I can say is dirty rat bastard lying sons of bitches!!
Along with all the other charlatans in the UFO 'Biz'.
Thanks for making the job of truth seekers and spreaders of real information exponentially harder.
Drilling down to see if being excluded from perceived income from the lecture circuit is Chuck's prime motivation, or if hypnosis just did not work on him, is just not worth it at this point.
I have exposed my share of liars such as Adamski and Meier here on Peggy so can not be accused of believing any story that comes down the pike but fakers make my blood boil worse than most because I have invested way more time than most investigating this subject.
This is by no means the only multiple witness case of abduction, it just provides more ammo to those that claim abductees are hallucinating, dreaming, lying etc.
I do know the members of hundreds of abductee groups worldwide do not believe any such debunking rubbish at all.
Doing one's own research and study into the thousands of abductions reports with full recall with no hypnosis required, provides overwhelming evidence that this phenomenon is real and ongoing.
Interested in seeing if my opinion is correct or not? Have at it.
I will just leave it at that.
@Z, thanks for the tip on the search parameters, I will try harder next time ;D ;D
@A51, being a sceptic on the esoteric as i think MOST of us on here are, and I think that MOST of us do try and research the many many topics that are posted here with open and uncoloured minds /
Ilove this forum for the many different angles,and opinions,and thought processes that are evident, I could be wrong but in my humble opinion I believe that we are all seeking the truth on the subjects that we encounter on here and on other boards, You Tube, the Internet, Lamestream Media, Alternate Media and possibly life in general? .. as I have said before on other topics, in the UK we get feed "white bread education" from a very early age, and are stuffed into a certain reality box as decreed by the "powers that be" and I can say that 90% of my friends and family are walking around with educational / reality blindfolds on.. and I suspect that they are happy to do so ::)
We are seeking the truth, and unpicking the lies and deception one line at a time, while remaining objective, unattached and non-emoitonal for me at least is a challenge BUT since joining Peg, I have found that I have been forced to respond in a more considered fashion, and dive deeper into investigating the background of the topics on here. :)
I think that we are mostly aligned on seeking the truth A51, debunking and calling out the lies and fabrications that are out there, and we should, as a group quietly applaud each others,for the research and efforts we put into our search for the "truth" - The best analogy I can come up with is - Mulder had Sculley on the X-Files and although that was just a TV program, they were perfect foils for each other, and I do believe that as a group, that we are a perfect foil for each other buddy. 8) :)
Talking of Seeking the Truth, anyone heard from the Seeker recently ?
Peace out... 8)
Fansongecho :)