I posted this to YouTube today. Enjoy! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QppycPjHzXk
WoW !!!! I posted that document all over the place for him. Unreal man.
My Army documents were on Microfiche and my original copies given me are in bad shape but still readable. My Air Force Documents are few but original. It's a shame we can't get a set of his records from USAF to see if anything was added or taken away in this particular document. I don't know how to use photoshop so basically I have to take your word as an expert with Photoshop. Is there another way to verify what you are saying is true?
Quote from: spacemaverick on June 22, 2014, 01:00:24 AM
My Army documents were on Microfiche and my original copies given me are in bad shape but still readable. My Air Force Documents are few but original. It's a shame we can't get a set of his records from USAF to see if anything was added or taken away in this particular document. I don't know how to use photoshop so basically I have to take your word as an expert with Photoshop. Is there another way to verify what you are saying is true?
You can maybe get a copy of it from filing a FOIA for it specifically. Maybe. That would be the absolute final word. I still have an outstanding FOIA request for Ed's records with the Air Force and the National Archives. Maybe they will include this page. I hope they do.
Quote from: David Hilton on June 22, 2014, 01:21:47 AM
You can maybe get a copy of it from filing a FOIA for it specifically. Maybe. That would be the absolute final word. I still have an outstanding FOIA request for Ed's records with the Air Force and the National Archives. Maybe they will include this page. I hope they do.
It would put a lot of things to rest and verify one way or the other.
To my knowledge, Ed has never been a member of this forum, and based upon Zorgon's specific comments these past several years about Ed, I believe Z probably doesn't need to have other accusations posted (true or otherwise) about Ed, as he already knows what he knows. (Of course, Z can speak for himself! :) )
Because of seeing this stuff long-time ongoing elsewhere too, to me it is a continuing meaningless attempt to prove your side of the argument, to at least some of the which here who have absolutely no interest. For myself on this, I could "not" care less....................!! (which is what I pretty much said in a prior of your posts)
Sorry but to me this is all disinformation.
Fact: Faking any (official) documents of or impersonating to be someone who is serving the government (in a uniform), pretending to be miltary or police is a fellony. So basically if a person would claim to be working for a government agency and he or she is not, he or she will land in prison. Sicne this has not happened there must be something true in the story. Right?
Case closed!
Quote from: rdunk on June 22, 2014, 06:57:36 AM
To my knowledge, Ed has never been a member of this forum, and based upon Zorgon's specific comments these past several years about Ed, I believe Z probably doesn't need to have other accusations posted (true or otherwise) about Ed, as he already knows what he knows. (Of course, Z can speak for himself! :) )
Because of seeing this stuff long-time ongoing elsewhere too, to me it is a continuing meaningless attempt to prove your side of the argument, to at least some of the which here who have absolutely no interest. For myself on this, I could "not" care less....................!! (which is what I pretty much said in a prior of your posts)
I had mentioned to staff that I had a problem with the original post but then withdrew my complaint. I'll leave it at that. If any of us are going to debunk someone I would have a debunker thread. The only problem I would see with that type of thread is that it becomes a war between people and nothing is accomplished. From this point forward I will stay out of this thread. No matter what he is, Ed is my friend.
Is that document in the video available to anyone?
If yes, where can I get it?
You make a fair Comment Sanders, and your probably right that he would be taking a huge risk if he had faked it..
But I recall seeing a similar Alex Jones Video where he claimed and showed a video by similar experts who did a similar thing to looking at Obama's birth certificate...where they claim its faked and showed something similar to what Dave has shown in his video...where they can see how various things had been altered and added in...
If its correct, I do not know How Obama has got away with it so far other than he will probably be looked after by those at the top !
QuoteFact: Faking any (official) documents of or impersonating to be someone who is serving the government (in a uniform), pretending to be miltary or police is a fellony. So basically if a person would claim to be working for a government agency and he or she is not, he or she will land in prison. Sicne this has not happened there must be something true in the story. Right?
Not that I want to get in the thick of it here, but as a Photoshop expert, I have to say that somewhere along the line, at MINIMUM, the word "cryptological" was altered or messed with. Period.
What I can't say is when and where and by whom.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 23, 2014, 02:08:36 AM
Not that I want to get in the thick of it here, but as a Photoshop expert, I have to say that somewhere along the line, at MINIMUM, the word "cryptological" was altered or messed with. Period.
What I can't say is when and where and by whom.
And yes amy, that is "perzactly" the point is all of this - the where and by whom! Only the shadow knows! If Ed actually did this, what for - just to make money selling books and speaking engagements? He sure went to a lot of trouble, if he actually did everything he is accused of!! One man doing all of this on his own??
On the other hand, if he did know "some things", and openly talked about them, there are not enough fingers and toes amongst all of us, for counting the number of people that would be being brought to bear to destroy Ed's credibility, and or destroy him. Most of us have seen over the years that is the way things work. People step out "too far", and they are in effect destroyed.
Is that the case here? I am not a part of the case, so I won't even address that!!
FWIW, I do not believe this is anywhere close to the Obama birth certificate photo shop controversy. That investigation was handled very differently, by folks who knew what they were doing, and were doing it openly and under control. No pigs in that barrel!!
The obama photoshop thing had layers that were found to still be active instead of the forger merge all layers so no one would be able to see what had been going on.
This document with ed shows tampering and manipulation. I wonder if the document had been scanned or imaged from a camera. Also the paper used when creating the document.
One other thing, in many ufo photos the perp creates the image in a graphics program and screen prints the image to fool the eye of a ufo in a real back ground.
Ed could have created the document and screen printed that as well to hide artifacts but that part with the erasure tool leaving details in the image are troubling for ed as is the out of place cryptological word.
Hilton has some serious observation of the document
Quote from: rdunk on June 23, 2014, 02:54:47 AM
And yes amy, that is "perzactly" the point is all of this - the where and by whom! Only the shadow knows! If Ed actually did this, what for - just to make money selling books and speaking engagements? He sure went to a lot of trouble, if he actually did everything he is accused of!! One man doing all of this on his own??
On the other hand, if he did know "some things", and openly talked about them, there are not enough fingers and toes amongst all of us, for counting the number of people that would be being brought to bear to destroy Ed's credibility, and or destroy him. Most of us have seen over the years that is the way things work. People step out "too far", and they are in effect destroyed.
Is that the case here? I am not a part of the case, so I won't even address that!!
FWIW, I do not believe this is anywhere close to the Obama birth certificate photo shop controversy. That investigation was handled very differently, by folks who knew what they were doing, and were doing it openly and under control. No pigs in that barrel!!
What if this Ed guy is part of a directed disinfo effort that extends well behind His singular appearance in the "limelight?" Just sayin' that if it seems like an awful lot of effort for one Human...it has a good possibility of having more (Humans, ET, whatever - Beings, at any rate) involved.
But yeah. The BC debacle is much bigger in scale.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 23, 2014, 02:08:36 AM
Not that I want to get in the thick of it here, but as a Photoshop expert, I have to say that somewhere along the line, at MINIMUM, the word "cryptological" was altered or messed with. Period.
After a quick look it looked to me like the spacing between the letters is not even the same as used by the other letters.
So, yes, it does look altered, but without the original image we cannot know who did it, as anyone can do that with any image he/she gets.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 22, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
Is that document in the video available to anyone?
If yes, where can I get it?
Richard Hall and Andrew Johnson want me to take the video down, and remove their clip. I'm going to have to re-edit it and re-post it. Its two days of work, but its ok even though it really ticks me off. I've since found new info that points to fakery which I will include in the second version. After I post my second version of the video I will provide links so that everyone can get a copy of the document to check for yourselves.
OK, I will wait. :)
LMAO surprised you never found a line there that stated it was property of "Fouche Media Associates".
So why does a guy of his supposed stature need a part time job as a bartender?
QuoteLater, while back at the base, my routine went on as normal, as
did my part time job that summer at the Silver Dollar Salon. My
NSA friend, Jerald, who investigated and "watched" those with
highly classified jobs at the Nevada Test Site and the Nellis
Range, happened to show up. He was checking up on a guy who had
a drinking problem, who worked at the Nevada Test Site, where
they set off underground atomic explosions.
http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/1998/sep/m08-007.shtml (http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/1998/sep/m08-007.shtml)
I guess with all his expertise and knowledge of black projects made him a prime candidate for slinging drinks. ::)
The new version of my video with new information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZa4CKz7z_w
edited by Sgt.Rocknroll
https://youtu.be/xS6Shta5ysM
Documents used in this video:
Version 1: http://www.david-hilton.net/fouche-docs/faked-docs/Special Assignment.jpg (http://www.david-hilton.net/fouche-docs/faked-docs/Special%20Assignment.jpg)
Version 2: http://www.david-hilton.net/fouche-docs/faked-docs/Special Assignment Version 2.jpg (http://www.david-hilton.net/fouche-docs/faked-docs/Special%20Assignment%20Version%202.jpg)
Version 3: http://www.david-hilton.net/fouche-docs/faked-docs/Special Assignment Version 3.jpg (http://www.david-hilton.net/fouche-docs/faked-docs/Special%20Assignment%20Version%203.jpg)
Thanks for the images, but, apparently, these are your version of the images, so they prove nothing.
Are the originals available any where? If they are not, where did you get these images?
Thanks in advance. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 27, 2014, 01:43:33 PM
Thanks for the images, but, apparently, these are your version of the images, so they prove nothing.
Are the originals available any where? If they are not, where did you get these images?
Thanks in advance. :)
I obtained my copies from AlienScientist. He has them posted here:
http://alienscientist.com/fouche411.html
If you want, I can forward you the emails seen in the video with the attachments from Edgar Fouche himself. Email me at: david (AT) david-hilton.net
Andrew Johnson has Version 3 here:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/articles/edgar%20fouche%20documents.htm
Version 1 and Version 2 will be hard to find "in the wild" because they were only out a few days on AlienScientist.com back in February of 2011. These were quickly replaced by Fouche as seen in the emails in the end of my newest video. I suspect you will only get them from myself, AlienScientist, or Edgar Fouche. However, I will bet you Fouche is only going to give you Version 3 unless you ask specifically for Version 1 or Version 2.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 27, 2014, 01:43:33 PM
Thanks for the images, but, apparently, these are your version of the images, so they prove nothing.
Are the originals available any where? If they are not, where did you get these images?
Thanks in advance. :)
Armap,
Some of my old originals are kind of funky also. I have saved all my military records by scanning them to preserve them because they are quite old (like me). They were done by older typewriters (IBM selectrics) and the only way to preserve them and send them electronically was to scan them. I have both Air Force and Army forms I could scan...place them in Photoshop and do what I want with them. If someone is going to verify then you need an original or at least a copy from the records section of the Air Force to prove beyond a doubt either way. I was going to stay out of this but it least needs to be fair. I do not agree with everyone whose programs, videos and writings are out there but if they are going to be debunked and uncovered then their work or word or even their documentation when placed in the realm of public should be looked at in a fair and balanced way. This has been transpiring since the other forum went down and quite frankly has me confused. Being a vet myself I didn't find issues with paperwork Ed presented but I am by no means an expert in documents.
All that being said...we need an original or one from USAF archives that shows what was put on that form for proof positive rather than relying on one persons interpretation. I am not picking on Mr. Hilton but a single person with Photoshop and his or her interpretation is not proof positive. Hope this has not offended anyone to include Mr. Hilton but I have offered my opinion.
Quote from: spacemaverick on June 27, 2014, 11:57:45 PM
All that being said...we need an original or one from USAF archives that shows what was put on that form for proof positive rather than relying on one persons interpretation. I am not picking on Mr. Hilton but a single person with Photoshop and his or her interpretation is not proof positive. Hope this has not offended anyone to include Mr. Hilton but I have offered my opinion.
Not offended at all. I encourage just that. I am trying to get a copy of it from the National Archives where Fouche's records are stored. They are no longer stored at the Air Force Personnel Center. The problem is just as you guys point out. Its me getting them...
Someone else needs to file a records request for Edgar Fouche's records and specifically request his AF Form 77a dated Aug 20 1979.
Link to National Archives: http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/
I can provide his SSN if anyone wants to do it. Its no big secret since its already available online.
This is my FOIA that was denied by the Air Force because of proceedural reasons. They require my to file directly with the National Archives.
QuoteI would like to see the service record of Edgar Albert Fouche. SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx (edited by me)
He was enlisted into the Air Force in 1967 and retired in approximately 1988.
I want access to these records for historical research. These records are stored at the National Archives. They are non-archival and stored under the Federal Records Center program. Currently they are considered to be property of the US Air Force. Therefore I am requesting that the Air Force Personnel Center fulfill this FOIA request for records by forwarding this request to the National Archives, and authorize the release of the documents I have requested.
If anyone does file, please please confirm the SSN with me. There are two fake SSN's for Fouche floating around, and I'd hate for you to waste your effort on a fake SSN.
Quote from: David Hilton on June 27, 2014, 11:53:02 PM
If you want, I can forward you the emails seen in the video with the attachments from Edgar Fouche himself. Email me at: david (AT) david-hilton.net
Email sent. :)
Now that I am looking into this I might as well look as much as I can. ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on June 28, 2014, 03:02:41 PM
Email sent. :)
Now that I am looking into this I might as well look as much as I can. ;D
Response sent. All three Fouche emails forwarded to you as well.
Thanks. :)
It's funny reading about this because the guy who acused Edgar Fouche of faking the documents is the one who made the changes to the document ;D LOL
I know this for a fact. Jeremy Alienscientist Rys also took a video made with myself David Hilton and Edgar Fouche in the video and edited and twisted what Ed had said.
And he made it sound like Ed was calling himself a liar and a fraud which was a joke and I have the entire 2 hour video to prove it.
Jeremy Alienscientist Rys has admitted to lying about Ed and now kisses Edgar Fouches but. It's a bit late because Ed died in May of 2017. Two days later the infamous fake TR-3B patent came out. I lived the Edgar Fouche story his USAF Military Career is real his FOIA is real .
To keep a long story short there was an effort to make Ed look like a liar for a specific reason.
Unlike some whistleblowers Ed has the background and was at Nellis and Edwards AFB for a long time. I know guys Ed was in The USAF with and also listened to Ed talk to a number of people that blew me away one was an SR-71 pilot another was a very high commissioned officer from Groom Lake Detachment-3.
I can't say that the TR-3B is real. I did however speak to numerous freinds of Ed's from The Air Force who were extremely paranoid to talk I never seen paranoia on this level before.
People all across the world are seeing extremely large triangles that seem to have really started in the 1980s. I was told not to talk about Ed a number of times I'm not telling anything that's not already out there.
BP, I had my triangle sighting during the winter of '77 here in Georgia; but unlike most sightings, this was not an equilateral triangle as the TR3B is depicted; it looked more like a superstar destroyer from Star Wars, but I hadn't seen or heard of Star Wars when this occurred...
We estimated the overall length to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 feet, abeam at the widest point of a 100', at an estimated altitude of 1,000', dark in color, no lights, no sound...
The three of us watched it for at least 2 minutes as it glided from west to east, then did a 90 degree turn to the vertical, went poof!!! and was gone...
That was the point of no return for me...
8)
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on July 28, 2019, 02:32:34 AM
BP, I had my triangle sighting during the winter of '77 here in Georgia; but unlike most sightings, this was not an equilateral triangle as the TR3B is depicted; it looked more like a superstar destroyer from Star Wars, but I hadn't seen or heard of Star Wars when this occurred...
We estimated the overall length to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 feet, abeam at the widest point of a 100', at an estimated altitude of 1,000', dark in color, no lights, no sound...
The three of us watched it for at least 2 minutes as it glided from west to east, then did a 90 degree turn to the vertical, went poof!!! and was gone...
That was the point of no return for me...
8)
Seeker
Wow interesting I have a friend in South Carolina and his best friend and a group of 5 people in South Carolina in the 1980s saw what they said was identical to Eds TR-3B the equilateral triangle. He stated it was 300 feet per side Ed always stated the operation version he has witnessed was 250 feet per side which is incredible. This guy began talking to me after doing research for his friends he was in college with.
Sounds like you had seen the isosceles Triangular craft which was spotted in a famous incident off the coast of Scotland when Chris Gibbons a Scottish oil-exploration engineer and, at the time, a member of the British Royal Observer Corps (ROC), was working on the oil rig Galveston Key in the North Sea when he noticed an aircraft in the shape of a pure isosceles triangle refuelling from a KC-135 Stratotanker alongside two F-111s.
They Had said it was The New Aurora but as far as I knew Aurora was a budget for black programs and not a craft and I was told that a number of people I would definitely think that knew it wasnt a craftbutthebudget to pay for.
Seeker imagine the amount of craft that we will never know of that were buried in the desert when another craft came along that surpassed these craft. A number of friend of mine have the same idea Ido on what's going on with TR-3B style craft they are nuclear powered which is a violation of aaaaaan international treaty signed by govts that are friend and foe.. There is zero doubt in mind that these triangular craft are ours. Would love to see one rolled out in the next couple years and say here it is !! That Would be fantastic. The amount of sightings is shocking and they're out there filming one is very difficult I have what I believe is a picture of one I will postpone days it's in the air and its good.
Seeker I really enjoy the eyewitness accounts and I thank You So much for sharing this has been a big part of my life for sure. I think the police officers from Illinois, who chased one of these in the year 2000 called UFOs over Illinois is one of the best cases which took place in the middle of the night you have 5 police officers who testify and a truck driver. What Blew my mind was the drawings these guys made of the crafttheyvaried . A number of them are exactly like Eds drawings exactly they said the craft was massive at least the size of a foot ball field in length 300 feet each side.
I tired to upload the photos the officers drew but PhotoBucket doesn't seem to work anymore I need to start using the uploader from Peggy On here. I Will figure it out tomorrow ran out of time my friend.