If ETs have been on earth before the early 1900s...
It still seems that most research seems to refer Alien / UFOs after WW2...or around from the 1940s..
with a large % being in the USA..
Much was suggested this was after WW2 when German Scientist from the war were either taken or decided to work in the USA.
One question I would have to ask is why or how did the ETs decide to work with German Scientists back in 1929.?
Its said that the Germans were some of the best Engineers and Scientists..
Were they just helping them with general Anti Gravity technology or also to prepare the Germans to prepare for war..
Or did the Germans just decide to take some of their technology to develop things for a war ?
If later the ETs became aware that Germany had used some of their technology towards their war..could they have also had effect to stop them
pursuing with it.
QuoteEvidence from the lectures of Wendelle Stevens and others has convinced me that aliens worked with German scientists as early as 1929 to assist humans in developing anti-gravity systems. This was done, presumably, to help us minimize the polluting aspects of fossil fuels when we started carrying passengers in airplanes.
Quote from: astr0144 on February 25, 2015, 11:58:09 PM
It still seems that most research seems to refer Alien / UFOs after WW2...or around from the 1940s..
with a large % being in the USA..
Yes not counting the critters (foo fighters) the vast majority were around WWI and in the US... only in resent years thanks to the internet has the craze spread to other countries and a lot of that is fraud :P
It is said that Tesla had ET contact but that may be only radio signals he thought were ET I never found the sources of that yet
QuoteOne question I would have to ask is why or how did the ETs decide to work with German Scientists back in 1929.?
The Thule and especially the Vril Societies had via mediums channeled messages from Alderan. This was where the saucer info supposedly came from. The Vril also had a purple black stone of power.
Oddly enough I just opened a page on that and was going to post it I have been tracking the 'stone' for some time. It is similar to Bob Lazar's E115
QuoteIts said that the Germans were some of the best Engineers and Scientists..
Still are though they tend to over engineer things
QuoteWere they just helping them with general Anti Gravity technology or also to prepare the Germans to prepare for war..
Or did the Germans just decide to take some of their technology to develop things for a war ?
Since the only know ET contact was the channeled messages from the Vril women we don't know for certain.
What we do know is those early contacts from Venus all were tall whites aryan stock and the saucers all looked like the Hanebu series :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh5pSJdHcr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh5pSJdHcr8
Quote from: zorgon on February 26, 2015, 10:56:56 AM
What we do know is those early contacts from Venus all were tall whites aryan stock and the saucers all looked like the Hanebu series :D
We also know that Adamski and co were totally full of bovine excreta. Adamski was a disinfo artist and carried a CIA passport.
Hi "Z",
Thanks for offering your feedback on my related questions..
I was not aware of some of these things that you refer to..
Do you suggest that Much of the ET contact was early 1900 to 1920s then rather than 1940 onwards from likes of 1947 Roswell..
(I cannot recall many well known dates of other known UFO stuff before Roswell) I think Billy Meier and George Adamski was after 1940.. who were names that I can relate to but had not studied in any detail as yet.
QuoteYes not counting the critters (foo fighters) the vast majority were around WWI and in the US... only in resent years thanks to the internet has the craze spread to other countries and a lot of that is fraud :P
I had not been aware of the Thule or Vril Societies..
Interesting about the Black stone of power though :P seems almost mystical...
QuoteThe Thule and especially the Vril Societies had via mediums channeled messages from Alderan. This was where the saucer info supposedly came from. The Vril also had a purple black stone of power.
Oddly enough I just opened a page on that and was going to post it I have been tracking the 'stone' for some time. It is similar to Bob Lazar's E115
Interesting Coincidence, makes one wonder at times if messages are passing between the either :P :) I noted your new thread on it...
QuoteOddly enough I just opened a page on that and was going to post it
Vril Women involved in it then ???
You make ref to Tall Whites..Very Interesting !
but I never related them to Venus in any way..
nor could imagine Venus having ET Life.. :o
Always thought too hot ..Not sure if Venus rotates and how soon or what its day maybe in time or how cold it maybe on opposite side of Sun.
Unless they survive around the edges of the planet..between the Hotter and cooler parts..
Maybe some moved to Earth when Venus got too dense an atmosphere..
Could the Aryan race be Tall White associated / connected maybe I wonder ? Is the White Race connected with Tall Whites ???
QuoteSince the only know ET contact was the channeled messages from the Vril women we don't know for certain.
What we do know is those early contacts from Venus all were tall whites aryan stock and the saucers all looked like the Hanebu series :D
Not quite sure about how long a Venus day is compared to Earth, came up with some of this on a quick search..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
Quote116d 18h 0m
Venus, Length of day
QuoteVenus takes 224.65 days to complete each orbit. This is a little less than a year on Earth. But instead of a similar rotational period to Earth's 24 hours, Venus takes 243 days to rotate once.
Quote from: astr0144 on February 26, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
Could the Aryan race be Tall White associated / connected maybe I wonder ? Is the White Race connected with Tall Whites ???
Or could the Venusians are an invention of an agency conducting mind control and social engineering experiment that created the "New Age". Do you really think the Tall Whites unverifiable story is true?
Astro, I have masses of evidence that the "New Age" mythos is a creation (or heavily influenced by) of an intelligence agency. The 60s were a time of potential revolution and the authorities decided to intervene. In fact, Linda Brown's writer Jan Lofton is one of the few people who has followed the correct leads. Interestingly, a banned member from here (Sinny) appears to have stumbled on some of the material but has not reached the same conclusions yet.
A CoIntelPro style infiltration and new mind control techniques (MKULTRA linked) along with the release of lots of cheap amphetamines (speed and crystal meth and probably Cocaine and Heroin) were used to divert the movement to pathetic hippy BS beliefs or drug addiciton.
If you want to know the truth about all this you have to be very determined or listen to what I have started to reveal in the past. The problem is that whenever I try to bring this stuff up the site gets hit by new members who try to destroy the site and my work.
There are serious criminal allegations that could be aimed squarely at the work of said agency and therefore the US and UK governments. That means discussing this stuff lands you on a watch list with intelligence. You might think I'm paranoid but I know more than you might think due to my background. ;)
Pimander,
I have read some of your posts in the earlier days when things were more active..(And I knew less then than I am aware about today).but I am not sure I recall reading your posts that you may have been indicating that you suggest that the ET /UFO is just purely myth or created by the IQ agencies..not on a main thread anyway...maybe you challenged things but I may never have been sure what you really may have been considering..
In fact at times I think you have considered some ET stuff as being possible..
Do you equally have any proof that shows there is no evidence of UFO / ETs ?
I do recall some of Sinnys posts and she later seemed to have doubts as I think I understood what she was indicating..
Im not sure if you do have a main thread that covers your thoughts on this subject, but I think it could be interesting to read..as I get more into this, its good to see more than one view..
You may save me a lot of wasted time if you can prove to me its all made up..
After seeing the lastest on Bob Lazar from A51W..
Do you still suggest that is not ET then ?
QuoteOr could the Venusians are an invention of an agency conducting mind control and social engineering experiment that created the "New Age". Do you really think the Tall Whites unverifiable story is true?
I am aware of quite a lot of the possible things that the IQ agencies may do.. Even Alex Jones & others indicates that, along with much said about possible things on PRC in the past that "Z" at least has discussed.. nothing new about that at all..
so what extra proof do you think that you can offer us that we have not seen before ?
How do we know that is not just an attempted cover up ?
I doubt we will be any wiser !
Can we trust Linda Brown ?
QuoteAstro, I have masses of evidence that the "New Age" mythos is a creation (or heavily influenced by) of an intelligence agency. The 60s were a time of potential revolution and the authorities decided to intervene. In fact, Linda Brown's writer Jan Lofton is one of the few people who has followed the correct leads. Interestingly, a banned member from here (Sinny) appears to have stumbled on some of the material but has not reached the same conclusions yet.
As I say I THINK that I have seen some of your past comments on some of this...but I may not have seen enough evidence to fully support your views...
BUT I do not doubt that a large % of things could be made up by the likes of such agencies..and use of mind control.. but that could also work on more than one way... such as make us become non believers in ETs as well..
QuoteIf you want to know the truth about all this you have to be very determined or listen to what I have started to reveal in the past. The problem is that whenever I try to bring this stuff up the site gets hit by new members who try to destroy the site and my work.
Yes I think I am well aware that they are severe criminals again just listing to A.J alone on non ET stuff paints a picture what they may be like...
It may be that all of us on PRC is on their watch list :o
I am even questioning many things that have happened to members and some of their families at the moment that may have been targeted by them..
but maybe I am just getting too paronoid..
QuoteThere are serious criminal allegations that could be aimed squarely at the work of said agency and therefore the US and UK governments. That means discussing this stuff lands you on a watch list with intelligence. You might think I'm paranoid but I know more than you might think due to my background.
Quote from: astr0144 on February 26, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
but I am not sure I recall reading your posts that you may have been indicating that you suggest that the ET /UFO is just myth or created by the IQ agencies..not on a main thread anyway...maybe you challenged things but I may never have been sure what you really may have been considering..
I never claimed the UFO phenomenon is not real.
I am saying that the "Venusians" (Adamski and co were agents or manipulated by them), "Galactic Federation", lots of so called channelled material is fairy tales from an agency manipulating hippies and New Agers. The saucer pictures are mostly fakes and have been proven to be in many cases. Some of the meetings with Venusians were set up by intel agents and many contactees were drugged.
QuoteDo you equally have any proof that shows there is no evidence of UFO / ETs ?
It is practically impossible to prove a negative. Prove I didn't brush my teeth this morning. Prove a car did not have Santa Clause driving it.
There is definitely evidence that there is a phenomena. In my opinion there is practically no physical evidence of ET that stands up to scrutiny.
QuoteI do recall some of Sinnys posts and she later seemed to have doubts as I think I understood what she was indicating..
She has found out about the creation of the CIA was linked to many people involved with mind control and social engineering and is joining the dots last I heard from her. :)
QuoteIm not sure if you do have a main thread that covers your thoughts on this subject, but I think it could be interesting to read..as I get more into this, its good to see more than one view..
There is no mega thread.
I have one on here about COINTELPRO and the new age. I have an appointment now but I'll find it for you later.
QuoteYou may save me a lot of wasted time if you can prove to me its all made up..
It is not all made up. It is a real phenomenon but it has been used for mind control and ALSO counter intelligence(throwing foreign intel off the scent basically after tech tests, breaches of airspace and military accidents or tests).
QuoteAfter seeing the lastest on Bob Lazar from A51W..
do you still suggest that is not ET ?
It may be but they have not produced proof it has anything to do with ET. Bob was probably drugged at "S4" when he was debriefed. Bob also admits his ET sighting was quite possible a set up. So even if you believe Bob's story there is still no proof of ET. Bob has been used too possibly.
It is on ET that A51 and I differ. He is convinced it is ET and I am not.
ETA: I do think life exists elsewhere in the Universe. That does not mean it is responsible for the majority of UFO material in fact it is definitely not based on the evidence.
Thanks for some of your replies,
I did amend my initial reply...adding more !
and also have to go out for an appointment..
Hope to continue later...
Interestingly, a banned member from here (Sinny) appears to have stumbled on some of the material but has not reached the same conclusions yet.
p... what how where who.. I had to go look.. Sinny isn't banned..
not enough females here now we can go loosing another one..geeeezeeeeeeee
Quote from: astr0144 on February 26, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
Hi "Z",
Thanks for offering your feedback on my related questions..
No problem but I moved these posts as they were totally off topic in that thread :D
QuoteI was not aware of some of these things that you refer to..
You need to read Pegasus more often :P Ellirium did a huge thread here on the NAZI UFO stuff and we have this
The German Connection
Nazi Saucers and Saucer Technologyhttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/index.html
Quote from: astr0144 on February 26, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
Do you suggest that Much of the ET contact was early 1900 to 1920s then rather than 1940 onwards from likes of 1947 Roswell..
No I am saying there was CHANNELED contact before... the physical contact was post war era. A51Watcher has a thread of pre Roswell sightings too. That video I posted is a pretty good summary of related events.
Quote(I cannot recall many well known dates of other known UFO stuff before Roswell)
That is simply because before Kenneth Arnold's sighting the term "Flying Saucer" was created and made main stream public and went viral (before THAT term was coined :P )
QuoteI think Billy Meier and George Adamski was after 1940.. who were names that I can relate to but had not studied in any detail as yet.
Yes Billy, George, Howard Menger, Lobsang Rampa and the 1951 movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" all said VENUS
Did they all make it up? Why? Did the visitors come from Venus? Maybe its not as hot as NASA claims Did you know that NASA colorizes images of Venus "Hot Lava Orange" based on one Russian image? This one
(http://mentallandscape.com/Venera14Camera2.jpg)
But NASA also has THIS picture of Venus... Now what or who made these chemtrails? LOL
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Venus/ammavarsmall.jpg)
Quote from: Pimander on February 26, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
We also know that Adamski and co were totally full of bovine excreta. Adamski was a disinfo artist and carried a CIA passport.
Be that as it may All the visitors from that time frame were from VENUS They may have only said Venus because it was easier for people of the day to comprehend. It may have all been a hoax because why would Aliens from Venus look like us :P (Valiant Thor et all) If its all a hoax then we can stop wasting time on it. But I have a remote viewing report that tells me different :P
Quotebut I never related them to Venus in any way..
nor could imagine Venus having ET Life.. :o
Always thought too hot ..Not sure if Venus rotates and how soon or what its day maybe in time or how cold it maybe on opposite side of Sun.
Unless they survive around the edges of the planet..between the Hotter and cooler parts..
Maybe some moved to Earth when Venus got too dense an atmosphere..
Not quite sure about how long a Venus day is compared to Earth, came up with some of this on a quick search..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
You are assuming that NASA et al is telling you the TRUTH about Venus :P
You are assuming that Aliens must be like us and could not live in a different environment
You assume that Wikipedia is an authoritative source :P
QuoteI had not been aware of the Thule or Vril Societies..
Interesting about the Black stone of power though :P seems almost mystical...
Back in the early eras any Stone of Power WOULD have been Mystical...
We have the Philosopher's Stone...
The philosopher's stone is a legendary substance, allegedly capable of turning inexpensive metals into gold. It was sometimes believed to be an elixir of life, useful for rejuvenation and possibly for achieving immortality. For a long time, it was the most sought-after goal in Western alchemy.
We have the Templar stone, The Vril stone, TH Moray's stone... and later Bob Lazar's stone (except his was orange not blue/black like the others. Then SG1 comes along and gives us Naquadah
Naquadah is a rare, super-dense mineral used by a wide number of different races. Its most basic use is as a weapon: Naquadah greatly amplifies energy, making it extremely potent if paired with explosives. Due to its unique properties, Naquadah forms the basis for many advanced technologies; the Stargates themselves are composed almost entirely of Naquadah. Naquadah is also present in the bloodstream of the Goa'uld, which allows them to control their technologies and sense the presence of other symbiotes. The Goa'uld have Naquadah mining operations on many planets; its refined form, weapons-grade Naquadah, is extremely valuable and often used as currency. Weapons-grade Naquadah is so dense that two Jaffa are required to lift a quantity the size of a couple of common housing bricks, making it at least as dense as gold. Alternate forms of Naquadah include Liquid Naquadah, used to power Goa'uld Staff weapons, and heavy Liquid Naquadah, used to power AG-3 satellites.
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/stargate/images/f/fc/Naquadah.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20061216005440)
Do you see the connections here? All the free energy and ufo tech from the past is somehow related to a mysterious stone of yet unknown origins. There are many references that I have not dug up yet
QuoteInteresting Coincidence, makes one wonder at times if messages are passing between the either :P :) I noted your new thread on it...
There is no such thing as coincidence... only causes we haven't discovered yet. Intra dimensional has been proposed by many in the UFO field that take the research seriously. Even the Air Force paper says that Whether by channelling, wormhole or other portal the THEME is common and that is what I have always done... FOLLOW THE CONNECTION
When you follow the connections, even the odd hoaxer that is trying to write themselves into the story line do not matter as long as the connections are not broken or lead to a dead end
George Adamski is a liar? well does that make Howard Menger a liar too? If George is/was CIA why does the CIA want you to accept Venus as a possibility? Is it maybe because they know that when NASA feeds you the Lava Orange you will be convinced Venus is out
But what if there really are populations on all the planets as John Lear claims? What IF these races exist out of phase with us? In a parallel dimension? We are getting more and more discoveries from main stream science that makes this most likely
Venus was the flavor of the day Dr. Frank Stranges is now dead He was around until recently still sticking to the Valiant Thor story. We cannot ask him directly anymore. As time goes on the old timers stories that once started this whole alien/ufo thing die off and new people twist the old stories to suit their agenda
Soon all you have left is useless babble with no chance of finding any truth.
QuoteCould the Aryan race be Tall White associated / connected maybe I wonder ? Is the White Race connected with Tall Whites ???
Vril Women involved in it then ???
You make ref to Tall Whites..Very Interesting !
The reference I make to tall whites is in context to the German master race ideal tall white Aryan stock. That was what it was all about :P
The Pioneer spacecraft carry this same message to the stars that Earth is populated by these master race beings :P This is Carl Sagan's Pioneer plaque
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Pioneer10-plaque.jpg)
The "Tall Whites" I don't know if they are Nordics or the more white skinned white hair Wraith looking creatures
But many of the Gods in the past were white That is what Hitler was tracing Even the Native Americans worshiped the Great white Spirit so along come the post war sightings and most all are Hanebu style saucers and the occupants are all pretty white beings with blonde hair claiming to be from Venus (except Billy Meier who introduced the Pleadian connection)
But Pleiadians are also white and blonde. This is the New Age concept of a Pleiadian Priestess
(http://www.thefaeriesandangelsmagazine.com/resources/star-%20priestess.jpg)
And this is the representation through Channeling of the Galactic Federation of Light Ashtar Command
(http://www.znakovi-vremena.net/kartinka/ashtar-semjase.jpg)
So again the THEME is the same Here is another drawing Seems the 1950's "Venusians" moved to the Pleiades. But this one is tall white blond with long hair
(https://indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/7543921_orig.jpg)
The
The Vril Girls
(https://occultthirdreich.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/vrilemblem.png)
(http://johndenugent.us/images/maria-orschitsch.jpg)
(http://www.galactic.no/rune/vrildame.jpg)
(http://www.isoladiavalon.eu/terra_cava/images/stories/traute.jpg)
(http://api.ning.com/files/2e2vaSeuOodu*gVvsBzoLtS*gtuxPpvRCMHYK9GSEynEzJ6h7Kd*wZtJuKsGyUFtS8llrdVRIOjymfLU6A3GT5KGI-cWPHCS/vrilerinnen_ufo_babes.jpg)
(http://www.causa-nostra.com/vril/cn1002/ex/Wie-waren-die-Vril-Damen-wirklich--Vril-Dame-Traute-A--e1002a01--q10.jpg)
Recent photo from Argentina...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10941126_1133624530011460_2013179020048066668_n.jpg?oh=4e4d4a7db477b55a0551a7303e5bc2f7&oe=55509C07&__gda__=1435134008_bb38d55250e50f6d34ddf2a65fd62a83)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/72/7e/7d/727e7dca2feaf9da6353738fbd612a20.jpg)
(http://www.causa-nostra.com/vril/cn911/ex/Rivalisierende-Schwestern-und-die-Vrilglocke--Vril-Ges-7--e0911a02--q3.jpg)
Some popular banners :D
(https://faustuscrow.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/goetia_girls_vril_ufo_semjase_flying_saucer_nordic_alien_girl.jpg)
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Pictures/vril6.jpg)
(http://www.mental-ray.de/mental-ray/VrilGeist/isaiscor-12.jpg)
The historical Isias the DHvSS worshipped
mental-ray.de was/is? the current website of the Vril Society but the pages are messy and keep moving around
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesw/vril_symbol.jpg)
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesc/vril77.jpg)
Vril, SS Military Technical Branch E-IV/E-V
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesc/ald88.jpg)
Vril Letter of Departure for Aldebaran, March 1945
Don't forget also the Valkyrie Women of the Norsemen (Nordics :P )
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Valkyrie_Maiden.jpg)
(http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/214/f/7/valkyrie_with_icelandic_horse_by_skworus-d4joqnm.jpg)
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesc/star.jpg)
The "Way" of the Aldebaran star
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesf/aldebaran.jpg)
Aldebaran sun,
the Bull's Eye of the Taurus Constellation
The Vril motto "Not all good comes from above" summarizes the entire history of the Vril Gesellschaft (Society) from its inception to the final days of WW2 when this occult group seemed to vanish right off the face of the earth.
The name Vril is the shortening of "VRI-IL" which means "Like God". Officially Vril was "The All German Society for Metaphysics" which merged with the Thule Gesellschaft and the obscure DHvSS (Men of the Black Stone) in the year 1919.
Each occult group had its own distinct beliefs and origins.
The DHvSS (1912) worshipped the German mountain goddess Isias and the Schwarz Stein (black stone). The Thule Gesellschaft (1917) believed in the hollow earth theory and derived its name from Ultima Thule the ancient capital of Hyperborea at the top of the world. Vril worshipped the Black Sun (the invisible inner light of the Godhead) which supposedly gave or generated incredible power and communicated with Aryan aliens living in the Aldebaran system through psychic channeling.
Aldebaran, a giant red star, is part of the Taurus Constellation and is known as the "Bull's Eye" due to its position in the heavens. As the "Star of Illumination" it is also known as the "Way" of spiritual enlightenment which the mediums of Vril desperately sought.
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesc/altd.jpg)
Vril Logo
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesc/thu10.jpg)
Thule Gesellschaft Symbolism
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/105/0/7/valkyrie_by_livinghorus-d3e38qv.jpg)
Again "Z", I appreciate you adding all that additional material..to explain a bit more about this topic.
Is it to suggest maybe the mystical could have truths of reality ? I wonder..
Hope that your message may also be considered by a few other members who may read this ? who may not have had much consideration to me in maybe believing in the Tall Whites :P or maybe suggest that I may not have any valid reason to believe in them .
Your message may offer them another thing to consider..along or in relation to their IQ services & Mind Control suggestions...and offer some other possibilities to how we may consider life maybe connected with other Planets in our Solar system...if it does exist on them..
QuoteYou are assuming that NASA et al is telling you the TRUTH about Venus :P
You are assuming that Aliens must be like us and could not live in a different environment
You assume that Wikipedia is an authoritative source :P
I agree that there is no 100% proof that any of what we have been made aware of is proven to be ET as far as I know..
But with the story of Bob Lazar and his description of the Saucers that he describes that he and others he took to see test flights with...(John Lear and Gene Huff) I think that he and they certainly did witness some sort of Saucer like craft...
Then we have A51s description of what he claims to have witnessed..and others that he has made ref to..
From his descriptions when he witnessed them, they were seen to be doing manovers that seemed impossible to any other known Human made craft.
Then looking at the latest videos that he and 1967 Saunder has produced... To me that does seem as if we are seeing something very unusual.
Bob May have been drugged even if his story was or was not true or fully accurate.
But if Bob did takes John Lear and Gene Huff to also witness the test flights...that may seem like more evidence to support his story along with some support to them videoing the event.
That to me would be the supportive evidence to Bobs claims.
On support of your suggestions...Maybe almost anything is possible, and can be faked...
Bob may have been brain washed whether he was at S4 or not.... He may be lying about seeing the Saucer...and so may John Lear and Gene Huff and George Knapp could be involved to attempt to support the story for various reasons...knowing that it may not be true...if say Bob, John and himself were all Government or CIA agents to mislead the public.
Then even A51 and 1967 Saunder could also be part of that as well...maybe even PRC..& "Z"..
All that is a possibility..I would think.
But I rather doubt that to be the case IMO.
So I suppose it may be down to ones opinion and judgement when weighing up the facts..
A51s description and story if we believe him, does certainly support Bobs story...
and 1967 Saunders and A51s video of the crafts also do...
To me what we see in those videos do look very unusual and I would be surprised if they are manmade.
There are many what Id call numerous good UFO stories with highly trained witnesses who have seen craft flying at incredible speeds and making incredible maneuvers that do not seem like any known human craft.
I also believe its possible that ETs could be here with such advanced technology that they could remain invisible to us virtually... and Matrix has said that if he is telling us any truths...
So as much as I accept Mind control does and has gone on.. I would Not think it was part of the bigger picture..
but that's only an opinion..based on my own research and thoughts so far...
But I am a newby to this compared to many on here and do not count out that one can change their views if new material or evidence may suggest different.
QuoteIt may be but they have not produced proof it has anything to do with ET. Bob was probably drugged at "S4" when he was debriefed. Bob also admits his ET sighting was quite possible a set up. So even if you believe Bob's story there is still no proof of ET. Bob has been used too possibly.
It is on ET that A51 and I differ. He is convinced it is ET and I am not.
I just want to add this note that part of this thread was in ref to Thors posts that he added in the thread...with initial ref to ETs connection with Germany...
The Environmental Protection Agency Wants to Kill Your Grandma
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7789.msg108942#msg108942
Quote from: astr0144 on February 27, 2015, 06:01:27 AM
Bob may have been brain washed whether he was at S4 or not.... He may be lying about seeing the Saucer...and so may John Lear and Gene Huff and George Knapp could be involved to attempt to support the story for various reasons...knowing that it may not be true...if say Bob, John and himself were all Government or CIA agents to mislead the public.
Then even A51 and 1967 Saunder could also be part of that as well...maybe even PRC..& "Z"..
All that is a possibility..I would think.
There is also Dan Burish and Bill Uhouse who spoke of S4 and tunnels and their storiss support what Bob said but include other details There is also Glen Campbell (not the singer) and Ron Rummel...
For all these people to be in on the plot is highly unlikely and one has to ask why they would go to so much trouble? Secrets are not kept by cluing in hundreds of people to the info
That is the whole purpose of compartmentalization Only a select few need to know it all, the rest get read in to ONLY the part they need to do their job. If they talk to each other on the inside there is hell to pay
If too many people have the facts chances are someone will talk
Well Bob, Bill and Dan all talked :P and they were not snuffed (Bill Uhouse died of old age) Dan's version has been challenged because he is involved in a lot of ufology related conspiract. Bill Uhouse on th eother hand had only one story like Bob... he stuck to it but wasn't on the circuit So few even know his story.
Near the end he did some interviews LOL One was funny because the interviewer started asking him about all sorts of stuff he had no knowledge of. He stumbled to come up with answers and the guy kept asking In the end he told him... "Well I really don't know all that, I was just telling you what you wanted to hear" {paraphrased}
Bill Uhouse was an engineer who designed a simulator for umans to fly the sport module
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXIWKQOu-k8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXIWKQOu-k8
Part 1-2-3 - Two Scientists Describe An Extraterrestrial Biological Entity Called "J-Rod"
© 2002 by Linda Moulton Howe
In 1999, Bill told me that he was talking to a mechanical engineer named Bill Uhouse who had worked on a U. S. military program to build an advanced simulator that could teach certain American pilots how to fly disc craft - either back-engineered or actual alien craft.
The technical adviser on the project was allegedly an EBEN called "J-Rod," who had been working with a secret agency of the United States government since 1953 at Los Alamos National Laboratory in northern New Mexico and in a secret underground facility called Site 4 literally inside the Papoose Mountains near Groom Lake, Area 51 and Nellis AFB.
Uhouse, now 78-years-old and knowing his non-disclosure agreement with the U. S. government expires in 2003, began speaking publicly about his experiences. Back then on June 14, 1999, I presented in Earthfiles.com with his permission, "The Strange Story of J-Rod, An EBE" © 1999 by Bill Hamilton.
Since then, Bill has had in-depth communications with a microbiologist originally named Danny Benjamin Crain who changed his name for personal family reasons, he says, to Dan Burisch. Dr. Dan Burisch (Ph.D., State University of New York, Stoneybrook), also describes an assignment to study the biological fluids and tissues of an EBEN called J-Rod inside S-4 up to 1995.
Then he was assigned to a new project called Star Flower in which he researches materials allegedly related to panspermia, the seeding of life on earth from extraterrestrial sources. Project Star Flower is ongoing.
This week, Bill Hamilton and I discussed Bill Uhouse's and Dr. Dan Burisch's alleged experiences with one or more extraterrestrial biological entities referred to as J-Rods.
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/70a10b06f5eb.jpg)
Drawing of J-Rod by mechanical engineer, Bill Uhouse, based on J-Rod's appearance dressed in a human man's shirt in 1970s or early 1980s at a conference table with physicist Edward Teller and eighteen scientists, including Uhouse. The project that linked Uhouse to J-Rod was a "flying saucer simulator" to teach certain U. S. Air Force pilots to fly back-engineered, and/or actual, extraterrestrial craft.
Scientific Meetings Lead by J-Rod and Physicist Edward Teller
THAT UHOUSE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW TECHNICALLY?
Yes. Apparently, Bill Uhouse was in attendance at a conference table with a number of scientists at Los Alamos. At one end of the table was the head of the project which by name, according to Uhouse, was Dr. Edward Teller. At the other end of the table was J-Rod. In attendance around the conference table, I guess, were 18 scientists and engineers.
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3aba103a5c7f.jpg)
In September 1996, Area 51 investigator, Glenn Campbell, interviewed Bill Uhouse who he referred to as "Jarod 2." Working with Uhouse's direction, Campbell drew the UFO simulator graphics above © 1996.
Zeta Reticulii 1 and 2 and Gliese 876-c Star Systems
DID HE HAVE ANY IMPRESSION FROM J-ROD ABOUT J-ROD'S PLANET OR THE WAY J-ROD LIVED WHEN HE WAS NOT IN THE CONFINES OF LOS ALAMOS OR AREA 51?
No. He mentioned that J-Rod was originally from the Zeta Reticulum system.
ZETA RETICULII I AND II, THE BINARY SYSTEM?
Yes.
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e349e5710d9d.jpg)
The yellow binary star system Zeta Reticulii 1 and 2 is about 37 light years from Earth.
Both suns are similar to the Earth's sun. The distance between the binary stars is estimated to be nearly 100 times the distance from Pluto to our sun. Thus, a solar system around one star is not expected to disturb another solar system around the second star.
(Editorial Note by Earthfiles Reporter and Editor Linda Moulton Howe: In September 1998, a source I interviewed at length who wishes to simply be called "Kewper" told me that he worked for both the CIA and the Army Signal Corps between 1956 and 1960. He was stationed at an Army school that taught encryption in the southeastern United States.
His supervisor asked Kewper to join a highly classified CIA group to analyze photographs, drawings, documents and other evidence from around the world related to the presence of a non-human intelligence. Kewper said in August 1958, he, his boss and five other CIA colleagues flew to Nellis AFB, Nevada for a meeting with a USAF Colonel in an area built into the Papoose Mountains near Groom Lake called S-4.
There, the group not only saw seven round craft inside a hollowed out area of the Papoose Mountains, but were taken to an office to communicate telepathically with a grey non-human being working in some capacity with the U. S. government. The drawing below is by Kewper of the being he saw in that August 1958 meeting. For more information about Kewper's story, see Earthfiles.com Radio Archives May 31, 1998 Dreamland and Coast to Coast AM about Kewper, CIA and Area-51.)
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Drawing © 1998 by "Kewper," former U. S. Army cryptographer who saw this extraterrestrial biological entity in August 1958 dressed in a human T-shirt at an underground installation inside the Papoose Mountains near Groom Lake called S-4, Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada.
www.earthfiles.com (https://www.earthfiles.com/subscription.php?accesscheck=%2Fnews.php)... X-Files
Spacevisitor:
I have the articles in worddocs, so if anyone is interested in them, let me know by U2U.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread607266/pg2
Dr Dan Burisch's Version - Microbiologist
PROJECT AQUARIUS
(Special access intelligence revealed from the "Dark Side of the Moon")
PROJECT AQUARIUS - PDF FORM (http://openminds.tv/pdf/PROJECT_AQUARIUS_DOCUMENT.pdf)
(https://rosettasister.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/burisch-scribd-clean-sphere.jpg)
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/sportsmodel-ftr.jpg)
Interview with Victor, the Grey Alien footage smuggled out of Area 51.
Full Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DV9RmaIWh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DV9RmaIWh4
Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 1 of 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw
Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 2 of 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMVdaQox308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMVdaQox308
Some interesting additions to the thread you made "Z"..
That is interesting if Bill Uhouse created a type of UFO simulator..
The footage on the video seems to support he was certainly working on some sort of mechanical looking device that looked like a UFO as well as seeing other footage of engineers building some structures for either the simulator or maybe a replica craft..question if so.. was it from an ET one..
With Ref to Glen Campbell...
Initially for many years he seemed to believe the theories in relation to UFOs and ETs at Area 51..
But Later I though I read somewhere that he later suggested that he could no longer obtain anything further as real proof and eventually decided to move away from pursuing to try to convince the public.
Last I heard of him , he had decided to become homeless..and live and travel around and often sleep in his car..living a very cheap basic existence..
Maybe taking on a few temporary Jobs along the way.
He did have a website at one time that used to show how one could live the way he was...and show where he was when travelling around the country (USA)..
That was always something that I found strange..
http://www.glenn-campbell.com/
Bump
Quote from: Pimander on February 26, 2015, 02:06:35 PM
Bob was probably drugged at "S4" when he was debriefed. Bob also admits his ET sighting was quite possible a set up. So even if you believe Bob's story there is still no proof of ET. Bob has been used too possibly.
My two cents as i read this thread, Lear did mention that Bob decided fully that he was out when he was drugged with , correct me if i am wrong, "the green liquid"
On to reading the rest.
Ps the why the Germans thing IS too specific and always kinda bugged me, but they were the ones nutty enough to try some reeeeaaallly crazy stuff necromancy and all. Crazy dudes.
Quote from: zorgon on February 27, 2015, 06:47:09 AM
Interview with Victor, the Grey Alien footage smuggled out of Area 51.
Full Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DV9RmaIWh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DV9RmaIWh4
Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 1 of 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw
Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 2 of 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMVdaQox308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMVdaQox308
Ahh... "Victor" forced "stress cough" and almost scripted "mock-laugh"
Best case scenario, the alien footage is a recreation of an event. There are tooooo many bells that ring in my head that say fake while watching , no matter how i wish it to be real..
This thread has lain dormant for almost 2 years, pushed to the side and forgotten 8)
with the digitized footage of events recorded by A51 and Bob Lazar and John Lear, it is readily apparent that some type of advanced craft are being operated at Groom Lake...
Time to dig a little deeper...
Seeker