Aldebaran Mystery 2 - Nazi Ufo Secrets Discussion

[astr0144]

If ETs have been on earth before the early 1900s...

It still seems that most research seems to refer Alien / UFOs after WW2...or around from the 1940s..
with a large % being in the USA..

Much was suggested this was after WW2 when German Scientist from the war were either taken or decided to work in the USA.

One question I would have to ask is why or how did the ETs decide to work with German Scientists back in 1929.?

Its said that the Germans were some of the best Engineers and Scientists..

Were they just helping them with general Anti Gravity technology or also to prepare the Germans to prepare for war..

Or did the Germans just decide to take some of their technology to develop things for a war ?

If later the ETs became aware that Germany had used some of their technology towards their war..could they have also had effect to stop them
pursuing with it.

Evidence from the lectures of Wendelle Stevens and others has convinced me that aliens worked with German scientists as early as 1929 to assist humans in developing anti-gravity systems.  This was done, presumably, to help us minimize the polluting aspects of fossil fuels when we started carrying passengers in airplanes.

[zorgon]

It still seems that most research seems to refer Alien / UFOs after WW2...or around from the 1940s..
with a large % being in the USA..

Yes not counting the critters (foo fighters) the vast majority were around WWI and in the US... only in resent years thanks to the internet has the craze spread to other countries and a lot of that is fraud

It is said that Tesla had ET contact but that may be only radio signals he thought were ET  I never found the sources of that yet

One question I would have to ask is why or how did the ETs decide to work with German Scientists back in 1929.?

The Thule and especially the Vril Societies had via mediums channeled messages from Alderan. This was where the saucer info supposedly came from. The Vril also had a purple black stone of power.

Oddly enough I just opened a page on that and was going to post it  I have been tracking the 'stone' for some time. It is similar to Bob Lazar's E115

Its said that the Germans were some of the best Engineers and Scientists..

Still are though they tend to over engineer things

Were they just helping them with general Anti Gravity technology or also to prepare the Germans to prepare for war..

Or did the Germans just decide to take some of their technology to develop things for a war ?

Since the only know ET contact was the channeled messages from the Vril women  we don't know for certain.   

What we do know is those early contacts from Venus   all were tall whites aryan stock and the saucers all looked like the Hanebu series

[Pimander]

What we do know is those early contacts from Venus   all were tall whites aryan stock and the saucers all looked like the Hanebu series

We also know that Adamski and co were totally full of bovine excreta.  Adamski was a disinfo artist and carried a CIA passport.

[astr0144]

Hi "Z",

Thanks for offering your feedback on my related questions..

I was not aware of some of these things that you refer to..

Do you suggest that Much of the ET contact was early 1900 to 1920s then  rather than 1940 onwards from  likes of 1947  Roswell..

(I cannot recall many well known dates of other known UFO stuff before Roswell) I think Billy Meier and George Adamski was after 1940.. who were names that I can relate to but had not studied in any detail as yet.

Yes not counting the critters (foo fighters) the vast majority were around WWI and in the US... only in resent years thanks to the internet has the craze spread to other countries and a lot of that is fraud

I had not been aware of the Thule or Vril Societies..
Interesting about the Black stone of power though    seems almost mystical...

The Thule and especially the Vril Societies had via mediums channeled messages from Alderan. This was where the saucer info supposedly came from. The Vril also had a purple black stone of power.

Oddly enough I just opened a page on that and was going to post it  I have been tracking the 'stone' for some time. It is similar to Bob Lazar's E115

Interesting Coincidence, makes one wonder at times if messages are passing between the either      I noted your new thread on it...

Oddly enough I just opened a page on that and was going to post it

Vril Women  involved in it then

You make ref to Tall Whites..Very Interesting !

but I never related them to Venus in any way..
nor could imagine Venus having ET Life..

Always thought too hot ..Not sure if Venus rotates and how soon or what its day maybe in time or how cold it maybe on opposite side of Sun.

Unless they survive around the edges of the planet..between the Hotter and cooler parts..
Maybe some moved to Earth when Venus got too dense an atmosphere..

Could the Aryan race be Tall White associated / connected maybe  I wonder ? Is the White Race connected with Tall Whites

Since the only know ET contact was the channeled messages from the Vril women  we don't know for certain.   

What we do know is those early contacts from Venus   all were tall whites aryan stock and the saucers all looked like the Hanebu series

Not quite sure about how long a Venus day is compared to Earth, came up with some of this on a quick search..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus

116d 18h 0m
Venus, Length of day

Venus takes 224.65 days to complete each orbit. This is a little less than a year on Earth. But instead of a similar rotational period to Earth's 24 hours, Venus takes 243 days to rotate once.

[Pimander]

Could the Aryan race be Tall White associated / connected maybe  I wonder ? Is the White Race connected with Tall Whites

Or could the Venusians are an invention of an agency conducting mind control and social engineering experiment that created the "New Age".  Do you really think the Tall Whites unverifiable story is true?

Astro, I have masses of evidence that the "New Age" mythos is a creation (or heavily influenced by) of an intelligence agency.  The 60s were a time of potential revolution and the authorities decided to intervene.  In fact, Linda Brown's writer Jan Lofton  is one of the few people who has followed the correct leads.  Interestingly, a banned member from here (Sinny) appears to have stumbled on some of the material but has not reached the same conclusions yet.

A CoIntelPro style infiltration and new mind control techniques (MKULTRA linked) along with the release of lots of cheap amphetamines (speed and crystal meth and probably Cocaine and Heroin) were used to divert the movement to pathetic hippy BS beliefs or drug addiciton.

If you want to know the truth about all this you have to be very determined or listen to what I have started to reveal in the past.  The problem is that whenever I try to bring this stuff up the site gets hit by new members who try to destroy the site and my work.

There are serious criminal allegations that could be aimed squarely at the work of said agency and therefore the US and UK governments.  That means discussing this stuff lands you on a watch list with intelligence.  You might think I'm paranoid but I know more than you might think due to my background.

[astr0144]

Pimander,

I have read some of your posts in the earlier days when things were more active..(And I knew less then than I am aware about today).but I am not sure I recall reading your posts that you may have been indicating that you suggest that the ET /UFO is just purely  myth or created by the IQ agencies..not on a main thread anyway...maybe you challenged things but I may never have been sure what you really may have been considering..

In fact at times I think you have considered some ET stuff as being possible..

Do you equally have any proof that shows there is no evidence of UFO / ETs ?

I do recall some of Sinnys posts and she later seemed to have doubts as I think I understood what she was indicating..

Im not sure if you do have a main thread that covers your thoughts on this subject, but I think it could be interesting to read..as I get more into this, its good to see more than one view..

You may save me a lot of wasted time if you can prove to me its all made up..

After seeing the lastest on Bob Lazar from A51W..

Do you still suggest that is not ET then ?

Or could the Venusians are an invention of an agency conducting mind control and social engineering experiment that created the "New Age".  Do you really think the Tall Whites unverifiable story is true?

I am aware of quite a lot of the possible things that the IQ agencies may do.. Even Alex Jones & others  indicates that, along with much said about possible things on PRC in the past that "Z" at least has discussed.. nothing new about that at all..


so what extra proof do you think that you can offer us that we have not seen before ?

How do we know that is not just an attempted cover up ?

I doubt we will be any wiser !

Can we trust Linda Brown ?

Astro, I have masses of evidence that the "New Age" mythos is a creation (or heavily influenced by) of an intelligence agency.  The 60s were a time of potential revolution and the authorities decided to intervene.  In fact, Linda Brown's writer Jan Lofton  is one of the few people who has followed the correct leads.  Interestingly, a banned member from here (Sinny) appears to have stumbled on some of the material but has not reached the same conclusions yet.

As I say I THINK that I have seen some of your past comments on some of this...but I may not have seen enough evidence to fully support your views...

BUT I do not doubt that a large % of things could be made up by the likes of such agencies..and use of mind control.. but that could also work on more than one way... such as make us become non believers in ETs as well..

If you want to know the truth about all this you have to be very determined or listen to what I have started to reveal in the past.  The problem is that whenever I try to bring this stuff up the site gets hit by new members who try to destroy the site and my work.

Yes I think I am well aware that they are severe criminals again just listing to A.J alone on non ET stuff paints a picture what they may be like...

It may be that all of us on PRC is on their watch list 

I am even questioning many things that have happened to members and some of their families at the moment that may have been targeted by them..

but maybe I am just getting too paronoid..

There are serious criminal allegations that could be aimed squarely at the work of said agency and therefore the US and UK governments.  That means discussing this stuff lands you on a watch list with intelligence.  You might think I'm paranoid but I know more than you might think due to my background.

[Pimander]

but I am not sure I recall reading your posts that you may have been indicating that you suggest that the ET /UFO is just myth or created by the IQ agencies..not on a main thread anyway...maybe you challenged things but I may never have been sure what you really may have been considering..

I never claimed the UFO phenomenon is not real.

I am saying that the "Venusians" (Adamski and co were agents or manipulated by them), "Galactic Federation", lots of so called channelled material is fairy tales from an agency manipulating hippies and New Agers.  The saucer pictures are mostly fakes and have been proven to be in many cases.  Some of the meetings with Venusians were set up by intel agents and many contactees were drugged.

Do you equally have any proof that shows there is no evidence of UFO / ETs ?

It is practically impossible to prove a negative.  Prove I didn't brush my teeth this morning.  Prove a car did not have Santa Clause driving it.

There is definitely evidence that there is a phenomena.  In my opinion there is practically no physical evidence of ET that stands up to scrutiny.

I do recall some of Sinnys posts and she later seemed to have doubts as I think I understood what she was indicating..

She has found out about the creation of the CIA was linked to many people involved with mind control and social engineering and is joining the dots last I heard from her.

Im not sure if you do have a main thread that covers your thoughts on this subject, but I think it could be interesting to read..as I get more into this, its good to see more than one view..

There is no mega thread.

I have one on here about COINTELPRO and the new age.  I have an appointment now but I'll find it for you later.

You may save me a lot of wasted time if you can prove to me its all made up..

It is not all made up.  It is a real phenomenon but it has been used for mind control and ALSO counter intelligence(throwing foreign intel off the scent basically after tech tests, breaches of airspace and military accidents or tests).

After seeing the lastest on Bob Lazar from A51W..

do you still suggest that is not ET ?

It may be but they have not produced proof it has anything to do with ET.  Bob was probably drugged at "S4" when he was debriefed.  Bob also admits his ET sighting was quite possible a set up.  So even if you believe Bob's story there is still no proof of ET.  Bob has been used too possibly.

It is on ET that A51 and I differ.  He is convinced it is ET and I am not.


ETA:  I do think life exists elsewhere in the Universe.  That does not mean it is responsible for the majority of UFO material in fact it is definitely not based on the evidence.

[astr0144]

Thanks for some of your replies,

I did amend my initial reply...adding more !

and also have to go out for an appointment..

Hope to continue later...

[space otter]

Interestingly, a banned member from here (Sinny) appears to have stumbled on some of the material but has not reached the same conclusions yet.


p... what how where who.. I had to go look.. Sinny isn't banned..
not enough females here now we can go loosing another one..geeeezeeeeeeee

[zorgon]

Hi "Z",
Thanks for offering your feedback on my related questions..

No problem but I moved these posts as they were totally off topic in that thread

I was not aware of some of these things that you refer to..

You need to read Pegasus more often   Ellirium did a huge thread here on the NAZI UFO stuff and we have this

The German Connection
Nazi Saucers and Saucer Technology
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/index.html

[zorgon]

Do you suggest that Much of the ET contact was early 1900 to 1920s then  rather than 1940 onwards from  likes of 1947  Roswell..

No I am saying there was CHANNELED contact before... the physical contact was post war era. A51Watcher has a thread of pre Roswell sightings too. That video I posted is a pretty good summary of related events. 

(I cannot recall many well known dates of other known UFO stuff before Roswell)

That is simply because before Kenneth Arnold's sighting the term "Flying Saucer" was created and made main stream public  and went viral (before THAT term was coined   )

I think Billy Meier and George Adamski was after 1940.. who were names that I can relate to but had not studied in any detail as yet.

Yes Billy, George, Howard Menger, Lobsang Rampa and the 1951 movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" all said VENUS   

Did they all make it up? Why?  Did the visitors come from Venus? Maybe its not as hot as NASA claims  Did you know that NASA colorizes images of Venus "Hot Lava Orange" based on one Russian image? This one



But NASA also has THIS picture of Venus...  Now what or who made these chemtrails? LOL

We also know that Adamski and co were totally full of bovine excreta.  Adamski was a disinfo artist and carried a CIA passport.

Be that as it may  All the visitors from that time frame were from VENUS  They may have only said Venus because it was easier for people of the day to comprehend. It may have all been a hoax  because why would Aliens from Venus look like us (Valiant Thor et all)  If its all a hoax then we can stop wasting time on it. But I have a remote viewing report that tells me different

but I never related them to Venus in any way..
nor could imagine Venus having ET Life..
Always thought too hot ..Not sure if Venus rotates and how soon or what its day maybe in time or how cold it maybe on opposite side of Sun.
Unless they survive around the edges of the planet..between the Hotter and cooler parts..
Maybe some moved to Earth when Venus got too dense an atmosphere..
Not quite sure about how long a Venus day is compared to Earth, came up with some of this on a quick search..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus

You are assuming that NASA et al is telling you the TRUTH about Venus 
You are assuming that Aliens must be like us and could not live in a different environment
You assume that Wikipedia is an authoritative source

[zorgon]

I had not been aware of the Thule or Vril Societies..
Interesting about the Black stone of power though    seems almost mystical...

Back in the early eras any Stone of Power WOULD have been Mystical... 

We have the Philosopher's Stone...

The philosopher's stone is a legendary substance, allegedly capable of turning inexpensive metals into gold. It was sometimes believed to be an elixir of life, useful for rejuvenation and possibly for achieving immortality. For a long time, it was the most sought-after goal in Western alchemy.

We have the Templar stone, The Vril stone, TH Moray's stone... and later Bob Lazar's stone (except his was orange not blue/black like the others. Then SG1 comes along and gives us Naquadah

Naquadah is a rare, super-dense mineral used by a wide number of different races. Its most basic use is as a weapon: Naquadah greatly amplifies energy, making it extremely potent if paired with explosives. Due to its unique properties, Naquadah forms the basis for many advanced technologies; the Stargates themselves are composed almost entirely of Naquadah. Naquadah is also present in the bloodstream of the Goa'uld, which allows them to control their technologies and sense the presence of other symbiotes. The Goa'uld have Naquadah mining operations on many planets; its refined form, weapons-grade Naquadah, is extremely valuable and often used as currency. Weapons-grade Naquadah is so dense that two Jaffa are required to lift a quantity the size of a couple of common housing bricks, making it at least as dense as gold. Alternate forms of Naquadah include Liquid Naquadah, used to power Goa'uld Staff weapons, and heavy Liquid Naquadah, used to power AG-3 satellites.



Do you see the connections here?  All the free energy and ufo tech from the past is somehow related to a mysterious stone of yet unknown origins. There are many references that I have not dug up yet

Interesting Coincidence, makes one wonder at times if messages are passing between the either      I noted your new thread on it...

There is no such thing as coincidence... only causes we haven't discovered yet.  Intra dimensional has been proposed by many in the UFO field that take the research seriously. Even the Air Force paper says that  Whether by channelling, wormhole or other portal  the THEME is common and that is what I have always done... FOLLOW THE CONNECTION

When you follow the connections, even the odd hoaxer that is trying to write themselves into the story line do not matter  as long as the connections are not broken or lead to a dead end

George Adamski is a liar? well does that make Howard Menger a liar too? If George is/was CIA  why does the CIA want you to accept Venus as a possibility? Is it maybe because they know that when NASA feeds you the Lava Orange you will be convinced Venus is out

But what if there really are populations on all the planets as John Lear claims? What IF these races exist out of phase with us? In a parallel dimension?  We are getting more and more discoveries from main stream science that makes this most likely

Venus was the flavor of the day  Dr. Frank Stranges is now dead  He was around until recently still sticking to the Valiant Thor story. We cannot ask him directly anymore.  As time goes on the old timers stories that once started this whole alien/ufo thing die off and new people twist the old stories to suit their agenda

Soon all you have left is useless babble with no chance of finding any truth.

Could the Aryan race be Tall White associated / connected maybe  I wonder ? Is the White Race connected with Tall Whites
Vril Women  involved in it then
You make ref to Tall Whites..Very Interesting !

The reference I make to tall whites is in context to the German master race ideal  tall white Aryan stock. That was what it was all about  

The Pioneer spacecraft carry this same message to the stars  that Earth is populated by these master race beings This is Carl Sagan's Pioneer plaque



The "Tall Whites"  I don't know if they are Nordics or the more white skinned white hair Wraith looking creatures

But many of the Gods in the past were white  That is what Hitler was tracing  Even the Native Americans worshiped the Great white Spirit   so  along come the post war sightings and most all are Hanebu style saucers and the occupants are all pretty white beings with blonde hair claiming to be from Venus (except Billy Meier who introduced the Pleadian connection)

But Pleiadians are also white and blonde. This is the New Age concept of a Pleiadian Priestess



And this is the representation through Channeling of the Galactic Federation of Light Ashtar Command



So again the THEME is the same  Here is another drawing  Seems the 1950's "Venusians" moved to the Pleiades. But this one is tall white blond with long hair



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[zorgon]

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The historical Isias the DHvSS worshipped

mental-ray.de was/is? the current website of the Vril Society but the pages are messy and keep moving around




Vril, SS Military Technical Branch E-IV/E-V


Vril Letter of Departure for Aldebaran, March 1945

Don't forget also the Valkyrie Women of the Norsemen (Nordics )






The "Way" of the Aldebaran star

[zorgon]

Aldebaran sun,
the Bull's Eye of the Taurus Constellation

The Vril motto "Not all good comes from above" summarizes the entire history of the Vril Gesellschaft (Society) from its inception to the final days of WW2 when this occult group seemed to vanish right off the face of the earth.

The name Vril is the shortening of "VRI-IL" which means "Like God". Officially Vril was "The All German Society for Metaphysics" which merged with the Thule Gesellschaft and the obscure DHvSS (Men of the Black Stone) in the year 1919.

Each occult group had its own distinct beliefs and origins.

The DHvSS (1912) worshipped the German mountain goddess Isias and the Schwarz Stein (black stone). The Thule Gesellschaft (1917) believed in the hollow earth theory and derived its name from Ultima Thule the ancient capital of Hyperborea at the top of the world. Vril worshipped the Black Sun (the invisible inner light of the Godhead) which supposedly gave or generated incredible power and communicated with Aryan aliens living in the Aldebaran system through psychic channeling.

Aldebaran, a giant red star, is part of the Taurus Constellation and is known as the "Bull's Eye" due to its position in the heavens. As the "Star of Illumination" it is also known as the "Way" of spiritual enlightenment which the mediums of Vril desperately sought.


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