Some physicists believe we're living in a giant hologram — and it's not that far-fetched
Some physicists actually believe that the universe we live in might be a hologram.
The idea isn't that the universe is some sort of fake simulation out of The Matrix, but rather that even though we appear to live in a three-dimensional universe, it might only have two dimensions. It's called the holographic principle.
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The thinking goes like this: Some distant two-dimensional surface contains all the data needed to fully describe our world — and much like in a hologram, this data is projected to appear in three dimensions. Like the characters on a TV screen, we live on a flat surface that happens to look like it has depth.
THE LAWS OF PHYSICS SEEM TO MAKE MORE SENSE WHEN WRITTEN IN TWO DIMENSIONS THAN IN THREE
It might sound absurd. But if when physicists assume it's true in their calculations, all sorts of big physics problems — such as the nature of black holes and the reconciling of gravity and quantum mechanics — become much simpler to solve. In short, the laws of physics seem to make more sense when written in two dimensions than in three.
"It's not considered some wild speculation among most theoretical physicists," says Leonard Susskind, the Stanford physicist who first formally defined the idea decades ago. "It's become a working, everyday tool to solve problems in physics."
But there's an important distinction to be made here. There's no direct evidence that our universe actually is a two-dimensional hologram. These calculations aren't the same as a mathematical proof. Rather, they're intriguing suggestions that our universe could be a hologram. And as of yet, not all physicists believe we have a good way of testing the idea experimentally.
Where did the idea that the universe might be a hologram come from?
The idea originally came out of a pair of paradoxes concerning black holes.
1) The black hole information loss problem
In 1974, Stephen Hawking famously discovered that black holes, contrary to what had long been thought, actually emit slight amounts of radiation over time. Eventually, as this energy bleeds away from the event horizon — the black hole's outer edge — the black hole should completely disappear.
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An illustration of radiation escaping from a black hole. (Communicate Science)
However, this idea prompted what's known as the black hole information loss problem. It's long been thought that physical information can't be destroyed: All particles either retain their original form or, if they change, that change impacts other particles, so the first set of particles' original state could be inferred at the end.
As an analogy, think of a stack of documents that are fed through a shredder. Even though they're cut into tiny pieces, the information present on the pieces of paper still exists. It's been cut into tiny pieces, but it hasn't disappeared, and given enough time, the documents could be reassembled so that you'd know what was written on them originally. In essence, the same thing was thought to be true with particles.
But there was a problem: If a black hole disappears, then the information present in any object that may have been sucked into it seemingly disappears, too.
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One solution, proposed by Susskind and Dutch physicist Gerard 't Hooft in the mid-'90s, was that when an object gets pulled into a black hole, it leaves behind some sort of 2D imprint encoded on the event horizon. Later, when radiation leaves the black hole, it picks up the imprint of this data. In this way, the information isn't really destroyed.
And their calculations showed that on just the 2D surface of a black hole, you could store enough information to completely describe any seemingly 3D objects inside it.
"The analogy that both of us independently were thinking about was that of a hologram — a two-dimensional piece of film which can encode all the information in a three-dimensional region of space," Susskind says.
The entropy problem: There was also the related problem of calculating the amount of entropy in a black hole — that is, the amount of disorder and randomness among its particles. In the '70s, Jacob Bekenstein had calculated that their entropy is capped, and that the cap is proportional to the 2D area of a black hole's event horizon.
"For ordinary matter systems, the entropy is proportional to the volume, not the area," says Juan Maldacena, an Argentinian physicist involved in studying the holographic principle. Eventually, he and others saw that this, too, pointed to the idea that what looked like a 3D object — a black hole — might be best understood using only two dimensions.
How did this idea go from black holes to the entire universe?
None of this was proof that black holes were holograms. But early on, Susskind says, physicists recognized that looking at the entire universe as a two-dimensional object that only looks three-dimensional might help solve some deeper problems in theoretical physics. And the math works just as well whether you're talking about a black hole, a planet, or an entire universe.
In 1998, Maldacena demonstrated that a hypothetical universe could be a hologram. His particular hypothetical universe was in what's called anti-de Sitter space (which, to simplify things, has a curved shape over huge distances, as opposed to our universe, which is believed to be flat):
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Anti-de Sitter space (left) curves in on itself. Our universe (right) is believed to be flat. (The Physics Mill)
What's more, by viewing this universe in two dimensions, he found a way to make the increasingly popular idea of string theory — a broad framework in which the basic building blocks of the universe are one-dimensional strings, rather than particles — jibe neatly with the well-established laws of particle physics.
And even more importantly, by doing so, he united two hugely important, disparate concepts in physics under one theoretical framework. "The holographic principle connected the theory of gravity to theories of particle physics," Maldacena says.
Combining these two fundamental ideas into a single coherent theory (often called quantum gravity) remains one of the holy grails of physics. So the holographic principle making it possible in this hypothetical universe was a big deal.
Of course, all of this is still quite different from saying that our actual universe — not this weird hypothetical one — is a hologram.
But could our universe actually be a hologram — or does the idea only apply to hypothetical ones?
That's still a matter of active debate. But there's been some recent theoretical work that suggests the holographic principle might work for our universe too — including a high-profile paper by Austrian and Indian physicists that came out this past May.
Like Maldacena, they also sought to use the principle to find a similarity between the disparate fields of quantum physics and gravitational theory. In our universe, these two theories typically don't align: They predict different results regarding the behavior of any given particle.
But in the new paper, the physicists calculated how these theories would predict the degree of entanglement — the bizarre quantum phenomenon in which the states of two tiny particles can become correlated so that a change to one particle can affect the other, even if they're far away. They found that by viewing one particular model of a flat universe as a hologram, they could indeed get the results of both theories to match up.
Still, even though this was a bit closer to our universe than the one Maldacena had worked with, it was just one particular type of flat space, and their calculations didn't take time into account — just the other three spatial dimensions. What's more, even if this did apply directly to our universe, it'd only show that it's possible it could be a hologram. It wouldn't be hard evidence.
How could we prove that the universe is a hologram?
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Fermilab's Holometer, used in tests that some say could find evidence for the holographic principle. (Fermilab)
The best type of proof would start with some testable prediction made by holographic theory. Experimental physicists could then gather evidence to see if it matches the prediction. For instance, the theory of the Big Bang predicted that we might find some form of remnant energy emanating throughout the universe as a result of the violent expansion 13.8 billion years ago — and in the 1960s, astronomers found exactly that, in the form of the cosmic microwave background.
At the moment, there's no universally agreed-upon test that would provide firm evidence for the idea. Still, some physicists believe that the holographic principle predicts there's a limit to how much information spacetime can contain, because our seemingly 3D spacetime is encoded by limited amounts of 2D information. As Fermilab's Craig Hogan recently put it to Motherboard, "The basic effect is that reality has a limited amount of information, like a Netflix movie when Comcast is not giving you enough bandwidth. So things are a little blurry and jittery."
Hogan and others are using an instrument called a Holomoter to look for this sort of blurriness. It relies on powerful lasers to see whether — at super-small, submicroscopic levels — there's a fundamental limit in the amount of information present in spacetime itself. If there is, they say, it could be evidence that we're living in a hologram.
Still, other physicists, including Susskind, reject the premise of this experiment and say it can't provide any evidence for the holographic principle.
Let's say we prove the universe is a hologram. What would that mean for my everyday life?
Everyday life in a holographic universe. (Shutterstock.com)
Everyday life in a holographic universe. (Shutterstock.com)
In one strict sense, it'd mean little. The same laws of physics you've been living with for your entire life would seem to remain exactly the same. Your house, dog, car, and body would keep appearing as three-dimensional objects, just like they always have.
But in a deeper sense, this discovery would revolutionize our existence on a profound level.
It doesn't matter much for your day-to-day life that the universe was formed 13.8 billion years in a sudden, violent expansion from a single point of matter. But the discovery of the Big Bang is instrumental for our current understanding of the history of the universe and our place within the cosmos.
Likewise, the bizarre principles of quantum mechanics — like entanglement, in which two distant particles somehow affect each other — don't really change your daily life either. You can't see atoms and don't notice them doing this. But these principles are another basic truth that tells us something utterly unexpected about the fundamental nature of the universe.
Proving the holographic principle would be much the same. Living our normal lives, we probably won't think much about the peculiar, counterintuitive fact that we live in a hologram. But the discovery would serve as an important step toward fully understanding the laws of physics — which dictate every action you've ever taken.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8847863/holographic-principle-universe
Is Our Universe a Fake?
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Robert Lawrence Kuhn is the creator, writer and host of "Closer to Truth," a public television and multimedia program that features the world's leading thinkers exploring humanity's deepest questions. Kuhn is co-editor, with John Leslie, of "The Mystery of Existence: Why Is There Anything at All?" (Wiley-Blackwell, 2013). This article is based on a "Closer to Truth" episode produced and directed by Peter Getzels. Kuhn contributed this article to
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I began bemused. The notion that humanity might be living in an artificial reality — a simulated universe — seemed sophomoric, at best science fiction.
But speaking with scientists and philosophers on "Closer to Truth," I realized that the notion that everything humans see and know is a gigantic computer game of sorts, the creation of supersmart hackers existing somewhere else, is not a joke. Exploring a "whole-world simulation," I discovered, is a deep probe of reality.
David Brin, sci-fi writer and space scientist, relates the Chinese parable of an emperor dreaming that he was a butterfly dreaming that he was an emperor. In contemporary versions, Brin said, it may be the year 2050 and people are living in a computer simulation of what life was like in the early 21st century — or it may be billions of years from now, and people are in a simulation of what primitive planets and people were once like.
Philosopher Nick Bostrom, director of the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University, describes a fake universe as a "richly detailed software simulation of people, including their historical predecessors, by a very technologically advanced civilization."
It's like the movie "The Matrix," Bostrom said, except that "instead of having brains in vats that are fed by sensory inputs from a simulator, the brains themselves would also be part of the simulation. It would be one big computer program simulating everything, including human brains down to neurons and synapses."
Bostrum is not saying that humanity is living in such a simulation. Rather, his "Simulation Argument" seeks to show that one of three possible scenarios must be true (assuming there are other intelligent civilizations):
All civilizations become extinct before becoming technologically mature;
All technologically mature civilizations lose interest in creating simulations;
Humanity is literally living in a computer simulation.
His point is that all cosmic civilizations either disappear (e.g., destroy themselves) before becoming technologically capable, or all decide not to generate whole-world simulations (e.g., decide such creations are not ethical, or get bored with them). The operative word is "all" — because if even one civilization anywhere in the cosmos could generate such simulations, then simulated worlds would multiply rapidly and almost certainly humanity would be in one.
As technology visionary Ray Kurzweil put it, "maybe our whole universe is a science experiment of some junior high school student in another universe." (Given how things are going, he jokes, she may not get a good grade.)
Kurzweil's worldview is based on the profound implications of what happens over time when computing power grows exponentially. To Kurzweil, a precise simulation is not meaningfully different from real reality. Corroborating the evidence that this universe runs on a computer, he says, is that "physical laws are sets of computational processes" and "information is constantly changing, being manipulated, running on some computational substrate." And that would mean, he concluded, "the universe is a computer." Kurzweil said he considers himself to be a "pattern of information."
"I'm a patternist," he said. "I think patterns, which means that information is the fundamental reality."
How could people know?
If people are in a whole-world simulation, how could they know it? Brin suggests a "back door" in the simulation program that would enable the alleged programmers to control people (much like countries accuse each other of installing "back doors" in code to conduct espionage).
"If we are living in a simulation, then everything is software, including every atom in our bodies," Brin said, "and there may be 'back doors' that the programmers left ajar."
I asked Marvin Minsky, a legendary founder of artificial intelligence, to distinguish among three kinds of simulations: (i) brains in vats, (ii) universal simulation as pure software and (iii) universal simulation as real physical stuff.
"It would be very hard to distinguish among those," Minsky said, "unless the programmer has made some slips — if you notice that some laws of physics aren't quite right, if you find rounding-off errors, you might sense some of the grain of the computer showing through."
If that were the case, he says, it would mean that the universe is easier to understand than scientists had imagined, and that they might even find ways to change it.
The thought that this level of reality might not be ultimate reality can be unsettling, but not to Minsky: "Wouldn't it be nice to know that we are part of a larger reality?" [Incredible Technology: How Future Space Missions May Hunt for Alien Planets ]
For a reality check, I visited Martin Rees, U.K. Astronomer Royal, a bold visionary and hard-nosed realist.
"Well, it's a bit flaky, but a fascinating idea," he said. "The real question is what are the limits of computing powers."
Astronomers are already doing simulations of parts of universes. "We can't do experiments on stars and galaxies," Rees explained, "but we can have a virtual universe in our computer, and calculate what happens if you crash galaxies together, evolve stars, etc. So, because we can simulate some cosmic features in a gross sense, we have to ask, 'As computers become vastly more powerful, what more could we simulate?'
"It's not crazy to believe that some time in the far future," he said, "there could be computers which could simulate a fairly large fraction of a world."
A prime assumption of all simulation theories is that consciousness — the inner sense of awareness, like the sound of Gershwin or the smell of garlic — can be simulated; in other words, that a replication of the complete physical states of the brain will yield, ipso facto, the complete mental states of the mind. (This direct correspondence usually assumes, unknowingly, the veracity of what's known in philosophy of mind as "identity theory," one among many competing theories seeking to solve the intractable "mind-body problem".) Such a brain-only mechanism to account for consciousness, required for whole-world simulations and promulgated by physicalists, is to me not obvious.
I asked Rees whether human-level consciousness and self-consciousness can be simulated.
"That may be the kind of question that would demand a superhuman intelligence to answer," which, he adds, "could be forever beyond our capacity."
Physicist Paul Davies has a different take. He uses simulation theory to tease out possible contradictions in the multiple universe (multiverse) theory, which is his countercultural challenge to today's mainstream cosmology.
"If you take seriously the theory of all possible universes, including all possible variations," Davies said, "at least some of them must have intelligent civilizations with enough computing power to simulate entire fake worlds. Simulated universes are much cheaper to make than the real thing, and so the number of fake universes would proliferate and vastly outnumber the real ones. And assuming we're just typical observers, then we're overwhelmingly likely to find ourselves in a fake universe, not a real one."
So far it's the normal argument.
Then Davies makes his move. He claims that because the theoretical existence of multiple universes is based on the laws of physics in our universe, if this universe is simulated, then its laws of physics are also simulated, which would mean that this universe's physics is a fake. Therefore, Davies reasoned, "We cannot use the argument that the physics in our universe leads to multiple universes, because it also leads to a fake universe with fake physics." That undermines the whole argument that fundamental physics generates multiple universes, because the reasoning collapses in circularity.
Davies concluded, "While multiple universes seem almost inevitable given our understanding of the Big Bang, using them to explain all existence is a dangerous, slippery slope, leading to apparently absurd conclusions."
Five premises to the simulation argument
I find five premises to the simulation argument: (i) Other intelligent civilizations exist; (ii) their technologies grow exponentially; (iii) they do not all go extinct; (iv) there is no universal ban or barrier for running simulations; and (v) consciousness can be simulated.
If these five premises are true, I agree, humanity is likely living in a simulation. The logic seems sound, which means that if you don't accept (or don't want to accept) the conclusion, then you must reject at least one of the premises.
Which to reject? Other intelligent civilizations? Exponential growth of technology?
Not all civilizations going extinct? No simulations ban or barrier? Consciousness simulated?
Whichever you choose, it must apply always, everywhere. For all time. In all universes. No exceptions.
That, to me, makes no sense.
Would the simulation argument relate to theism, the existence of God? Not necessarily.
Bostrum said, "the simulation hypothesis is not an alternative to theism or atheism. It could be a version of either — it's independent of whether God exists." While the simulation argument is "not an attempt to refute theism," he said, it would "imply a weaker form of a creation hypothesis," because the creator-simulators "would have some of the attributes we traditionally associate with God in the sense that they would have created our world."
They would be superintelligent, but they "wouldn't need unlimited or infinite minds." They could "intervene in the world, our experiential world, by manipulating the simulation. So they would have some of the capabilities of omnipotence in the sense that they could change anything they wanted about our world."
So even if this universe looks like it was created, neither scientists nor philosophers nor theologians could easily distinguish between the traditional creator God and hyper-advanced creator-simulators.
But that leads to the old regress game and the question of who created the (weaker) creator-simulators.
At some point, the chain of causation must end — although even this, some would dispute.
Personally, I do not think humanity is living in a whole-world simulation. But because the simulation argument seems to work, what it seems to do is to uncover deep discrepancies, or fundamental flaws, in how people think about deep reality — about this universe, multiple universes, consciousness, and even inferences for and against theism.
Something's amiss.
http://www.space.com/30124-is-our-universe-a-fake.html
Without a doubt, YES!
It's like a dream where anything can happen and does. The dream factory is getting sloppy though, were beginning to see it's flaws as it churns out obviously fake melodrama and destruction. Our very reality is on the cusp of creating another version of reality for our current version to play in.
Question is, which version are we currently living.
By all logic and reason our history is created to be spoon fed to our minds in order to keep us from seeing the true reality of our situation. I have come to know when someone picks up the clues and drops the puzzle piece in place the Matrix damage control kicks in and shuts the annoyance down by either ridicule, illness or death.
This place is built upon parameters keeping the pieces as a whole to seamlessly feed the mind streams that have 5 manufactured sense values that enforce the simulations synaptic capacity to make it feel real by either smell, sound, sight, taste and touch. Those are the base attributes to keep it real.
QuoteThe year is 2050 and super-intelligent robots have taken over the planet.
Except you have no idea, because you're living in a computer simulation, depicting what life was like in 2015.
Everything you see and touch right now has been created by robotic overlords who are using humanity as playthings in their virtual game.
That's the radical theory put forward by a number of scientists over the years, who claim there is a possibility that our world as we know it is fake.
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It is apparent to those who know it's fake while to those who can't imagine the symptoms of the program, will deny all possibilities of a fake realm of man where they exist as manipulated creations.
Friday, July 24, 2015, This actually happened.
My sister and I have been shopping for some furniture. I go to a place selling front room furniture 25 miles from home, find a love seat and couch there I like and text my sister who is not far from this location doing work at city hall, to drop in and see this on her way back to her office.
She, my sister, shows up and I am talking with the young guy who manages the store for his sister who adverts on TV with her whole family. I am seated on that furniture I have to have and discussing the quality and maintenance of the furniture.
I ask about saggy cushions and material wear and the guy tells me there is zippers in the couch so if any sagging occurs, they can send me more material to place in the arm rest and backing. I feel back in the bottom of the cushions and sure enough I feel the zippers and see the zippers on the arm rest. The salesmen says they have 6 sets in their warehouse and my sister was sitting there and heard this as well.
I'm liking this furniture but want to look at other stuff in a couple more stores. Now it is the following Sunday after noon and we go back to this store for this furniture after I discuss with my sister how this is the best deal with these zippers in the cushions to get at the stuffing's if it begins to sag from sitting on it.
We go back to the furniture and the guy who manages the place that we talked to the first time there, is there. Talking to him I mention how I like the zipper in the cushions. He looks at me funny and says there are no zippers in the cushions. This is the same couch and love seat from Friday that had zippers in the cushions. My sister goes, you told us it had zippers when we were there on Friday. So she was aware of the zippers in the cushions as well.
Sunday back at the store I feel back in the cushions and WTF, there are no zippers. I tell the guy we were there Friday and I was talking to him and he was sitting there telling me all about the zippers. He goes, nooo. I go ya. I say then, look, I'm not calling you a lier but we sat right here and two days ago you told me about the zippers and I stuck my hand back in the cushions and there were zippers in the cushions and I saw zippers on the arm rest.
The Matrix changed it, like it has so many times before for me. I get this alot. Anyway, we bought the couch sets and got free delivery. Can't wait to see what happens next. The guy goes, if the furniture has zippers when you get it, let me know right away. I certainly will.
Early on when I started Pegasus....
The story of the Sundial on the Mars Rover...
Ted Twietmeyer
Years ago he wrote a page at Rense titled something like "I have the PROOF"
What he was on about was the images of the Mars Rover sundial. He exclaimed that it now has a GEAR on it when before it was STRAIGHT
Now at the time we all were looking at Mars rover images daily of COURSE the thing was straight there was no gear.... so myself, John, Exuberant1 and others who knew the gear was not there looked at all our stored photos..
Well DANG the gear was in ALL OF THEM
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So I wrote Ted at the time and said I and others have had similar things happen. In fact there were several threads on Alpha Tango about such things
It was over this story that Ted signed up (still have a few of his pages on the website)
Okay I was planning to do a major post on this. collected data and then got side tracked...
I got back into it years later... I contacted Ted and he said "I have no idea what you are talking about"
Huh? So I looked at my files.... POOF all gone. I looked for the threads at ATS Poof all gone... I spoke to others that had seen it... some remembered others did not Matyas was one who did not and he had sent me relevant info. I asked if he still had a copy and he said he didn't know what I was talking about.
Now a straight bar on the Rover sundial or a gear that has no use is a minor thing to be sure but it is DIFFERENT than many remember it
So when I saw you post today I looked again....
And guess what?
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Rover Sundial
Survery Concluded
By Ted Twietmeyer
12-31-7
First, I'd like to extend my thanks on behalf of Jeff and myself to all those who responded to the survey.
So what is the purpose of the survey? It is about TIME. Specifically, a change in the past which had appeared to cause a change in the present.
About a week prior to this posting, a change in the sundial on the Rover was suddenly noticed. This design change appeared in the sundial which I've attempted to illustrate in the altered photo below:
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Original sundial as remembered by four different people. This image has been
modified in an attempt to show what several individuals remember.
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Image of the sundial as presented in the survey
The difference between these two images is the appearance of protrusions near the base of the shaft, which look something like teeth on a gear. These objects were not seen back in 2005 when the book "What NASA Isn't Telling You About Mars" was first published. Apparently, something in the past has caused a sudden change in the present. All known copies of this image, both digital and those in print, have all been changed and look like the image above.
SURVEY RESULTS
None of the nine respondents to the survey has observed this change. Though somewhat disappointing, the survey data must stand as it is. Possible reasons for this may be that three of the four people who observed this change had some extensive involvement with the creation of Mars book, and therefore had a strong memory of what it originally looked like. After seeing this, some Rense readers might also recall the change as well. Almost all respondents referred to a change in color or the lack of dust on small features of the sundial, and only one referred to the ring around the outside which anchors the sundial to the rover as being different. It may be true that this ring is also different as well.
At this point you may be wondering how this change could be possible. Consider that your mind exists outside of space-time. Your thoughts take place essentially at the quantum level, since they consist of electrical and electrochemical actions. Even if the physical world were to change you could still remember something as it originally was. For example, most likely at some point in the past you observed an eclipse of the Moon. This is something no one forgets.
Although that eclipse you remember has long passed and no longer exists, you can recall it anytime like the memory of a photograph or a loved one. If another full eclipse was forecast to take place but when it took place it only partially covered the moon instead, you would know something is very wrong. Likewise, if you saw a photograph of an actual full eclipse in a book which was captioned as a partial one, you would also know something is wrong.
This author was perhaps the first to notice the change in the sundial. It was only after presenting the image to others or discussing it with them, did they also recall that the protrusions around the base of the shaft were not there before.
Did someone go back in time and make a suggestion to Bill Nye ("the science guy") to add the protrusions to the design? He is credited with conceiving the sundial/photometric calibration target combination. Did they suggest to him that these protrusions would enhance it's operation? We may never know. And perhaps Bill Nye may not even know a subtle suggestion took place, if the suggestion was made in a subtle manner. The fact that apparently not one photograph exists anywhere without these protrusions (except the photo specially created for this report) substantiates the fact that every photograph related to this in the present has been changed. Only the memory of the sundial as it originally was designed exists, and nothing else.
At first glance, this might appear to be a very minor issue. But the impact of altering the past which instantly changes the present can be staggering. What other events may have been altered in the past, and who has the technology to time travel?
I would also like to thank Jeff Rense for being open minded on this matter, and for giving me the opportunity to field this survey.
Ted Twietmeyer
tedtw@frontiernet.net
www.data4science.net
www.bookonmars.info
IMPORTANT UPDATE on Survey Results
Thanks to an email from a rense.com reader named Edd(?) we have images of the sundial used on the first rover mission to Mars, known as Pathfinder. This one is quite different from the current rover sundials.
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Sundial on Pathfinder [1]
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Rover Sundial 2007
Sundial as remembered by several people on Spirit and Opportunity rovers (Above image altered to show it as remembered.)
Note that the Pathfinder sundial does not have the gear-like ring present on the current Spirit and Opportunity rovers. It does have different color reference markers however.
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Rover sundial 2007.jpg Actual photograph of Spirit
and Opportunity sundial as it appears today.
Ted Twietmeyer tedtw@frontiernet.net
[1] - http://mars-news.de/life/mpf-anomalies.html
http://www.rense.com/general79/sruvv.htm
This all started for me when I was looking at TIME and the SCHUMANN RESONANCE
It seems that my memory and the reality are different.
I started researching how TIME was now only 16 hours a day even though our clocks show the same 24 hours they always have.
This led me to Universities and threads on the subject showing that many serious people were studying this. I saved links, I saved threads I saved papers.
Many people I spoke to have had 'feelings' that TIME is off... many have had stories of slipping between different TIME LINES but most are told they are crazy so they stopped talking about it
Then I get side tracked with other projects until it comes up again (like your post today) and I dig up my old stuff to find it is no longer there
I tried the search terms on shrinking time and other time anomalies and always get different results than I remember. The US NAVY useed to set their clocks on the Schumann resonance it was more accurate than an atomic clock. They used to post that resonance on an observatory monitoring site. Its no longer there
I did find a Russian site tracking it but they show it fluctuates and is NOT constant
Why can we even feel the difference> Why can we remember things like the sundial and the zipper? Because part of us exists OUTSIDE of TIME ( I suppose that is sorta proof of Life after the meat suit :P )
So lets try again and find the reports. Finding the Rense paper by Ted... the follow up to the original tells me we are currently back in another time line though the sundial still has the gear :P
Back to the Future Part II covered this exact scenario where Marty returns and everything is normal Well almost but close enough :P
Like in the movie the matrix reloaded where neo goes, deja vue with the black cat and mouse, the little guy gets caught in the room where the matrix changes the windows behind the curtains into brick walls, thus, trapping him from getting out.
I notice this stuff all the time and try to write about it but most the time I'm ignored or ridiculed and attacked. That's why I go through forums like a ghost. Matrix Zombie people do not want to hear the truth. In fact, I believe most people are simply background noise to keep us, who realize the situation, distracted and if we point it out, Matrix damage control kicks in.
I have come to the conclusion some of us are aware and the system has an advantage running the program but because that program, like in the matrix, makes it up like the dream factory I report as the base reality. The thing that worries me is when, as you pointed out, the system not only changes the observation, but, changes the people who are involved in the original observation, so they have no idea what just happened because they are made up to confuse those who pay attention to the glitches.
If you watch to closely one can go crazy which makes me think it's like this; how much can you take, and how far can you take it, before going crazy.
The world we see with our eyes and mind is not what it appears to be. We see the front end where another reality exist hidden by our senses as we think, it really is. We could be alien detainees held in a synaptic dream factory program. The elemental machine could change things and no one would realize it until people who do realize and observe it, report to the less fortunate, somethings wrong.
Twilight Zone ~1985~ "A Matter Of Minutes"
This one is an old version of the Matrix LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQzL8Z_FRtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQzL8Z_FRtM
Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2015, 11:36:13 PM
It is apparent to those who know it's fake while to those who can't imagine the symptoms of the program, will deny all possibilities of a fake realm of man where they exist as manipulated creations.
What I find fascinating is every time this topic pops up and I do a search, things happen :P Perhaps I am a System Lord after all and my search requests effect the results. :P But seriously I have noticed many times in my life when I ask for something it appears.
There are sayings in the past like the Religious "Ask and Ye Shall Recieve" Prayer done right does work SOMETIMES and the Illuminati method THE SECRET, LAW OF ATTRACTION also works... SOMETIMES
So perhaps it is a simple matter of when it works, we have found the right path to the Matrix program...
IF indeed the Universe is fake and and as Quantum Entanglement is showing that we do indeed have the power of Mind over Matter to some degree... then the SECRET has to work at some level
Can we move mountains like Jeus said with a mere thought? Can we lift that spaceship out of the swamp like Yoda did? So far only a few people have managed to move objects with their mind after much effort and only small objects. Is it really simply a matter of BELIEF in the ability like Jesus says you must have faith and Yoda chides Luke for not believing which is why he fails?
Or are we missing a link to the Program?
In any case I found THIS today
Are Humans Really Part Of A Game For Robots? Scientists Claim The Universe Could Be FAKE(https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/jAXsWN4u_gos2izzV0w2aA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/homerun/newsroom.news.yahoo.com.uk/1caa05495f6312ad76ffd5f04511f439)
QuoteEverything you know may just be part of a Matrix-style simulation, according to physicists who claim that we could all be part of a giant GAME.
A new theory has suggested that our entire lives and memories may not be real, instead being part of a computer programme played by advanced robots.
The so-called 'simulation argument' has been theorised for several years, with noted academics including Oxford University philosopher Nick Bostrom, suggesting that the plot of The Matrix could be closer to real life than we think
In the sci-fi classic, humans are bred in vats that are fed with simulations that make them believe they are living an ordinary life.
Scientists say that we could all be living in the future, and our life in 2015 is nothing more than a series of numbers in a computer programme.
It may sound like science fiction but scientists believe they may actually be able to PROVE that what you know isn't what you know.
(https://s3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Vw5xfpmIWBmtZy4NitAG6g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/homerun/newsroom.news.yahoo.com.uk/e21331eb8b2b53fccdd548377784589f)
QuoteMarvin Minsky, one of the founders of artificial intelligence (AI) thinks that there may be tell-tale signs if the programmer of our mass simulation "has made some slips".
He said that some laws of physics that "aren't quite right" could be the start of being able to prove that the universe is a simulation.
Silas Beane, from the University of Bonn, suggested several years ago that if humans were to build a small-sale simulation of the universe we would be able to identify any constraints.
These constraints would include a cut-off in the spectrum of high energy particles - exactly the kind of cut off in the energy of cosmic rays.
(https://s2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/pprtLtjjsB_VInq9TPlYww--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/homerun/newsroom.news.yahoo.com.uk/3baee673131925634ed48a8dd768092a)
QuoteThis would be the start of proving that our universe is not what it seems - and that it is part of a giant construct.
These theories are not the first time that humans have debated whether we are actually real - French philosopher Rene Descartes theorised that nothing we perceive is true except our consciousness being aware of itself and its doubts - which is how the phrase 'I think, therefore I am' came about.
However, some believe that thoughts can also be part of a simulation or programme that is being controlled by robots or aliens.
So if you're having a bad day today, it could just be some advanced robot in the year 2300 having a bit of a fun with the character on his PlayStation 29.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/humans-really-part-game-advanced-115946819.html#2ZcQb6g
So... it seems more and more scientists are discovering that the Universe may indeed be FAKE
Going to hunt ATS for those old comments about changed events. Since the Ted/Rense article reappeared maybe they did too
Just an FYI this is the FORTH TIME I have tried this. Maybe if we do it enough times the memories will over ride the program :D
Theoretical Physicist James Gates finds computer code in string theory equation. Specifically; Block Linear Self Dual Error Correcting Code. WTF?
Submitted by IWB, on July 18th, 2015Quote"Relatively recently, whilst exploring the mathematics of string theory, Theoretical Physicist James Gates and his researchers discovered something rather interesting buried deep within the mathematical equations of super symmetry.
They found computer code.
And it isn't just random 1's and 0's either. Bizarrely, the code they found is code which is used in computer browser operating system software.
Specifically; Block Linear Self Dual Error Correcting Code.
So what does this code do?
Computer code is just instruction for a processor – Information.
When transmitting information from one computer to another, there are fluctuations that happen (static in the line for example), that can alter the original information sent.
Block Linear Self Dual Error Correcting Codes are vital in the exchange of digital information as they monitor code sent and measure it against what's already know, self-adjusting as required in order to accurately transmit and receive the correct information."
Ok so yeah this is from April of 2014.
But, since there are many that haven't heard of this, here is an excellent video. Watch starting at 2:10
In this video they will recap how this particular code was invented in the 1940's by a certain individual.
Now does this blow your mind or what? They are finding code invented in our past.... This is a lot more complex than the Matrix. For all we know, Earth is gone, and we are seeing a simulation utilized to preserve a long lost civilization. Or right now, we are part of a more advanced sims game with humans watching our every move. We may not actually be human!
http://investmentwatchblog.com/theoretical-physicist-james-gates-finds-computer-code-in-string-theory-equation-specifically-block-linear-self-dual-error-correcting-code-wtf/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4NkItgf0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4NkItgf0E
Quote from: Gigas on August 05, 2015, 07:13:08 PM
Friday, July 24, 2015, This actually happened.
My sister and I have been shopping for some furniture. I go to a place selling front room furniture 25 miles from home, find a love seat and couch there I like and text my sister who is not far from this location doing work at city hall, to drop in and see this on her way back to her office.
She, my sister, shows up and I am talking with the young guy who manages the store for his sister who adverts on TV with her whole family. I am seated on that furniture I have to have and discussing the quality and maintenance of the furniture.
I ask about saggy cushions and material wear and the guy tells me there is zippers in the couch so if any sagging occurs, they can send me more material to place in the arm rest and backing. I feel back in the bottom of the cushions and sure enough I feel the zippers and see the zippers on the arm rest. The salesmen says they have 6 sets in their warehouse and my sister was sitting there and heard this as well.
I'm liking this furniture but want to look at other stuff in a couple more stores. Now it is the following Sunday after noon and we go back to this store for this furniture after I discuss with my sister how this is the best deal with these zippers in the cushions to get at the stuffing's if it begins to sag from sitting on it.
We go back to the furniture and the guy who manages the place that we talked to the first time there, is there. Talking to him I mention how I like the zipper in the cushions. He looks at me funny and says there are no zippers in the cushions. This is the same couch and love seat from Friday that had zippers in the cushions. My sister goes, you told us it had zippers when we were there on Friday. So she was aware of the zippers in the cushions as well.
Sunday back at the store I feel back in the cushions and WTF, there are no zippers. I tell the guy we were there Friday and I was talking to him and he was sitting there telling me all about the zippers. He goes, nooo. I go ya. I say then, look, I'm not calling you a lier but we sat right here and two days ago you told me about the zippers and I stuck my hand back in the cushions and there were zippers in the cushions and I saw zippers on the arm rest.
The Matrix changed it, like it has so many times before for me. I get this alot. Anyway, we bought the couch sets and got free delivery. Can't wait to see what happens next. The guy goes, if the furniture has zippers when you get it, let me know right away. I certainly will.
Had the almost exact same scenario happen to me and my flat mate last year, on a number of occasions.
The most obvious one was: I was upstairs in my room, doing whatever it is that I do, and my flat mate has come into my room after just getting back from work and he demands to know where the shared phone charger is.
I inform him that I left it down stairs in it's usual plug socket, knowing that he'd need it when he comes in.
He angrily states that 'no it's not, I've just looked for it there'
I'm like, 'I swear to God, I know I just left it there, and I know I haven't forgot to leave it there, because the only other place it would be is next to my bed, and look it's not here'
So we both decend the stairs, and I walk over to the plug hole... Guess what's there, the charger, as I said it would be.
My flat mates face just dropped and looked ashen, he says 'I know your gunna think I'm crazy, but I swear to God, that charger was not there 5 minutes ago'
I told him to relax, and I that believed him.
We had a similiar issue a few days before but in role reverse, where what I was looking for wasn't there, and then after bringing him over to inspect, it was there - I looked like a forgetful idiot (which I am anyway), but this time around he could appreciate that some other force was friging with us both.
Deja Vu, and premonitions... Had them both, believe them both to be glitches in the matrix. Premonitions, the wrong word, I've seen the future before it happend.
I know system lords and system lord Z of planet Pegasus, is one.
That's what made me like you so dearly back in Alpha Tango Spookz rabble rowsing dayz. You had information brought to you and you shared some of it.
System lord Z was always out there feeding the hungry while fighting the matrix control system.
You know your on the right track when they try to shut you down.
Anyways, talking with my sister over lunch today she told me what the salesman said to us that Friday to confirm it occurred as I recalled. I didn't mention this part to her talking about this before, but she did repeat it back to me today. She said the sales guy told us if the backs fail, he would send us new material and we could put it in the cushions and if we had trouble, they would help us and give a number to call. She has no doubt the sales guy and I were talking about zippers in the cushions because she heard him telling me about the zippers.
Our TV and theater create the reality for us and most times deliver the future versions that eerily become reality. Like THEY LIVE. In that 1988 movie we are shown a large part of the population is homeless living in camps on the street. Then, the authority comes in to break up the camps like they are doing now.
Some people can see the reality of the situation and it's alien. People are getting rich if they join up with the aliens and those who don't, will be exterminated.
And now, another matrix moment.
Couple a years ago I had a car mechanic that exclusively did all my work on my car. I had bought a ford excursion and wanted him to fix some little problem. I make an appointment and drive over, check in, hand him my keys. He drives the car in, then comes out to tell me he can't work on it because his lift won't raise the car.
I know somethins up. Then it begins to get weird. I'm seated in the waiting area behind his office and can see the office window where people check in. I'm looking at him from behind and he is suddenly way taller with a bald spot on the back of his head. Now, this guy and I are both the same height. He was way taller now with a bald spot on his head which normally the guy has a full head of hair down around his ears and neck and NO bald spot.
In shock as to what I am seeing and hearing, He hands me back the keys and I ask can you get the door code number from beneath the dash and he says no. This was not the mechanic I new so well. the matrix changed that day and him. Why, I have no clue.
Is our universe FAKE?
hell no ::) we've made it as real believable as we can
all those little blips that don't fit..those taps on the shoulder are just to make you think it's fake
...
hear the laughter....?
Oh yea, in regards to time speeding up.
I feel like it's going so fast I can't keep up.
I also feel like there is an AI intelligence keeping tabs on us,just like Mckenna said.
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2015, 09:42:14 PM
Theoretical Physicist James Gates finds computer code in string theory equation. Specifically; Block Linear Self Dual Error Correcting Code. WTF?
Submitted by IWB, on July 18th, 2015
- Snip it -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
This is shocking to hear a physicist tell it like it is. Theoretical Physicist James Gates is not Quackademia bought and paid for extolling their version of reality down the throats of the rabble.
QuoteSpecifically; Block Linear Self Dual Error Correcting Code.
Computers run on 1's and 0's with instruction sets. In the instruction sets there is error code checking data streams. The matrix maybe code but executed by a Quantum projection mechanism. The enormity of the system is beyond our imagination. In that elemental machine force any explanation is plausible to it's control systems.
Quote from: Gigas on August 07, 2015, 12:05:15 AM
Computers run on 1's and 0's with instruction sets. In the instruction sets there is error code checking data streams. The matrix maybe code but executed by a Quantum projection mechanism. The enormity of the system is beyond our imagination. In that elemental machine force any explanation is plausible to it's control systems.
Here is an interesting point... the 1's and 0's are a binary system... so is light and dark, positive and negative, evil and good. and so on. Modern computers do run using the hexadecimal system (base 15 expressed as 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B.C,D,E,F ), but at the root of that is still the binary system
When man found science we learned that the Universe is made up of about 100 active elements with possibly a few more stable ones above that. EVERYTHING we understand is made up of these elements, You, food, water, rocks you name it.
But then we discovered that these elements are in turn made up of only THREE particles A Proton (positive) a Neutron (Neutral) and an Electron (Negative)
Then Quantum Physics tells us electrons behave differently depending on thought and observation... IE they can be manipulated by thought.
The we discover that Protons Electrons and Neutrons in turn are made up of even smaller particles called QUARKS and LO AND BEHOLD we are back to the Universe being a binary system of positive and negative QUARKS
Sounds like a MATRIX to me :D
Quote from: Gigas on August 06, 2015, 10:46:25 PMThis was not the mechanic I new so well. the matrix changed that day and him. Why, I have no clue.
There is one other possibility/factor
TIMELINES
It maybe that the Universe Matrix is messed up and we are randomly crossing timelines. Nothing major, just little but noticeable glitches
You are walking down an alley... (usually a bad idea :P ) and at the end of that alley you can choose to go 1) left... 2) right.... or 3) turn back the way you came.
So in TIMELINE 1) you run into some thugs who kill you. In TIMELINE 2) you find a Rolex watch and get rich and in TIMELINE 3) you go on about your business as usual.
That is a crude example but every decision we make has possible futures.
Need to search ATS for these TIMELINE topics I recall some where people remember someone passing away only to be shocked to find that person is still alive
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2015, 09:32:27 PM
...Can we move mountains like Jeus said with a mere thought? Can we lift that spaceship out of the swamp like Yoda did? So far only a few people have managed to move objects with their mind after much effort and only small objects....
You must be referring to Nina Kulagina -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkDRq8UHeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkDRq8UHeE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkDRq8UHeE)
Quote from: zorgon on August 07, 2015, 01:53:34 AM
There is one other possibility/factor
TIMELINES
It maybe that the Universe Matrix is messed up and we are randomly crossing timelines. Nothing major, just little but noticeable glitches
You are walking down an alley... (usually a bad idea :P ) and at the end of that alley you can choose to go 1) left... 2) right.... or 3) turn back the way you came.
So in TIMELINE 1) you run into some thugs who kill you. In TIMELINE 2) you find a Rolex watch and get rich and in TIMELINE 3) you go on about your business as usual.
That is a crude example but every decision we make has possible futures.
Need to search ATS for these TIMELINE topics I recall some where people remember someone passing away only to be shocked to find that person is still alive
I've a theory. I call it parallel action events. The reality of origin is criss crossed by an alternate parallel reality stream that bends the minds ability to hold the reality of origin in place. The other thing is, the matrix is destabilizing for a crash from being over extended.
Quote from: zorgon on August 07, 2015, 01:53:34 AM
There is one other possibility/factor
TIMELINES
It maybe that the Universe Matrix is messed up and we are randomly crossing timelines. Nothing major, just little but noticeable glitches
You are walking down an alley... (usually a bad idea :P ) and at the end of that alley you can choose to go 1) left... 2) right.... or 3) turn back the way you came.
So in TIMELINE 1) you run into some thugs who kill you. In TIMELINE 2) you find a Rolex watch and get rich and in TIMELINE 3) you go on about your business as usual.
That is a crude example but every decision we make has possible futures.
Need to search ATS for these TIMELINE topics I recall some where people remember someone passing away only to be shocked to find that person is still alive
Long time since I posted, picking up my online social activities again.
But what you said about the alley, wouldn't it be like this :
You are walking down an alley... you either move forward or backward. Step 3 seems redundant because eventually it all comes down to yes or no. 1 and 0.
Interesting stuff, indeed. I also had my fair shares of slips, especially regarding family. Maybe because it's more easy to pick up the slight 'off " stuff.
Quote from: Senduko on August 07, 2015, 03:08:09 PM
But what you said about the alley, wouldn't it be like this :
You are walking down an alley... you either move forward or backward. Step 3 seems redundant because eventually it all comes down to yes or no. 1 and 0.
Interesting stuff, indeed. I also had my fair shares of slips, especially regarding family. Maybe because it's more easy to pick up the slight 'off " stuff.
Yes I added step three because there will always be someone that says" But could you not just have gone back the way you came?" Right ArMaP? :P
But yes most cases the decision is binary... we choose left or right. But consider also that some people get a premonition that you should not get on that airplane today and then that airplane crashes.
So somewhere in the Matrix there is access to information we cannot all readily see.
In the case of the premonition... some will say " God saved them" But perhaps it is simply that the person is more in tune with the Matrix and picks up on the signal.
I have found over the years (and with Rosicrucian exercises) that you can train yourself to be more aware. I have never Mastered the art yet though... but I can sense things more than most
One of my searches has been to find a way to switch to other timelines at will... I am looking for the one where my legs are not messed up :P
Like that Twilight Zone episode... I would like to be able to go to sleep... and wake up in a better version of the current timeline
"But yes most cases the decision is binary... we choose left or right. But consider also that some people get a premonition that you should not get on that airplane today and then that airplane crashes."
But that's the point, even if you get a premonition, doesn't that mean you say no? Whether you know something or not, it's still a no ( as in I don't walk in the alley ) And if you turn back, doesn't that mean you create new yes and no's that weren't there before? Because you where meant to walk in the alley.... Awww god my head hurts lol.
I guess you could tune yourself in another timeline?
Quote from: zorgon on August 06, 2015, 04:20:51 AM
Twilight Zone ~1985~ "A Matter Of Minutes"
This one is an old version of the Matrix LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQzL8Z_FRtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQzL8Z_FRtM
Years ago I was sleeping and it was like 6 am when I awoke to hear sounds like someone was pulling apart two by fours in my master bathroom. Someone was working on the house I thought and it was so real, I slipped on my clothes and shoes and walked outside and around back of my house expecting to see someone working out there.
Nothing, no one, no work being done on the house, nothing touched or damaged.
I know I heard someone working on my house outside the master bathroom. I heard the noise of nails being pulled apart when two by fours are separated. It was like it was echoing in the bathroom as lumber was being thrown around.
This twilight tv story was from the early 80s and I did see it back then. I looked this up sometime after I heard the noise in the bathroom that morning. I also have been woken by something loudly tapping on my patio door glass. It sounded like a finger tapping 6 or 7 times. Again I jumped up to look but nothing there.
I got all kinds a weirdness goin on.
Quote from: A51Watcher on August 07, 2015, 05:08:01 AM
You must be referring to Nina Kulagina -
I was yes... but I forgot to add that kids can generate POLTERGEIST activity and move around some large objects...
Seems we forget that access to the Matrix as we get older and taught we are crazy
Of course some will claim that activity is Possession by evil spirits but I am not interested in the pseudo religious point of view nor Hollywood's visiting Ghosts explanation
Paranormal
Parapsychologists such as Nandor Fodor and William Roll wrote that poltergeist activity can be explained by psychokinesisIt is easy to find debunker information :P not so easy to find the case studies that explore the psychokinesis hypothesis
And yet the Movie Matrix is all about manipulating object by thought
Quote from: Senduko on August 07, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
"But yes most cases the decision is binary... we choose left or right. But consider also that some people get a premonition that you should not get on that airplane today and then that airplane crashes."
But that's the point, even if you get a premonition, doesn't that mean you say no? Whether you know something or not, it's still a no ( as in I don't walk in the alley ) And if you turn back, doesn't that mean you create new yes and no's that weren't there before? Because you where meant to walk in the alley.... Awww god my head hurts lol.
I guess you could tune yourself in another timeline?
This sounds awfully Donnie Darko..
Quote from: zorgon on August 08, 2015, 12:35:03 AM
I was yes... but I forgot to add that kids can generate POLTERGEIST activity and move around some large objects...
Seems we forget that access to the Matrix as we get older and taught we are crazy
Of course some will claim that activity is Possession by evil spirits but I am not interested in the pseudo religious point of view nor Hollywood's visiting Ghosts explanation
Paranormal
Parapsychologists such as Nandor Fodor and William Roll wrote that poltergeist activity can be explained by psychokinesis
It is easy to find debunker information :P not so easy to find the case studies that explore the psychokinesis hypothesis
And yet the Movie Matrix is all about manipulating object by thought
I've baby sat a lot of kids, but these days try to avoid that.
The once I was baby sitting my mates 4 year old (at the time), and lots of paranormal stuff went on... Spoons kept going missing (I know weird yea), and I kept hearing footsteps running up and down my friends tiled hallway.. There is no way in hell I was imagining these noises, I went to check on the kid (whilst poopting bricks), and the kid was fast asleep.
A little later that night I caught a shadow man looming over my back.
Nehh uuu, I'm not baby sitting over night everr again.
Great, now I've just made myself paranoid, thanks guys.
The state of reality as I find it.
I call it a life sentence and the Matrix system places control constraints on the individual to keep them obedient. Obey and you'll be fine, disobey and you will suffer some tragedy of sorts.
In my 63 magical mystery tours around the sun the situation became clearer as to what this is. It ain't wonderland where life is fun and your gonna be rich and famous cause to be that, you have to be in league and plenty bad for the boss. You'll have it all till you piss off the master(s) and then, you get it all taken away and you fall into another life sentence but this time your in double trouble here and there. Word play, here and there, see how it all adds up to either a 1 or zero like computer operations. Off and on, light or dark, left or right, right or wrong. Damn them.....
Myself, I've been manipulated by external forces which are people manufactured to engage me to follow a path or perform some emotional act. Most people are not people at all, they simply are conjured empty shells to get in my way, as they do for many others trying to make their way through this fake reality.
The news is fake, people are fake, quackademia is fake as is most of what we are forced to think and believe. Religion is the biggest scam alive and simply puts the victims in secure bondage where they suffer worse than non-religious escapee's. Funny the reverend Mc what's his name will say before the flock, let us PREY, and when done AAAAH MEN. That was delicious. Who are they praying to and why. The ceremony is the victims praising the predators for eating men. Sickening for sure. The human animal is so naive and yet so powerful in limited ways. Man can kill man but not the lords who run the show. You see, they remain hidden and play with their edible toys.
True power never allows itself to be seen or confronted; the faces in power we do see, are the distraction.
I recall being from darkness till dropped in to this shell that was grown just for me. Stay out of the light because it's a portal back in. Like the star trek voyager coda, they send an image of a loved one or family member to help ease your consciousness to giving up to the light. Hiding in the black void maybe useless since we are a sphere of light they can locate but it seems they can't force the conscious form of the sphere into the light.
They have tried and I contemplate if that is how I was reincarnated against my will. They tricked me into the light, from darkness. You see, I have had lucid dreams of being in the black void and though I was afraid at first, I became calmed by knowing my physical self is no longer jailed by a life sentence in the physical realm so with that I could let go the bondage and actually be free. But, in that darkness, the void, I was shown the light. Perhaps the temptation is to go there for another life sentence.
I'll post more stories on my experiences in the fake realm of man.
I used to make cups fly out the dispenser at Cinnabon. My cashiers learned to not annoy me.
Shasta
Welcome to EARTHSHIP ARK
Seems someone found these old episodes of Star Lost. Meet NOAH and the new crew of the Ark. The first episode really touches on all our theories and origins of religion
The Sumerians believed in their Cosmology that the Earth was a flat disk with a domed tin roof... The story of NOAH came from the Sumerians...
Meet Captain NOAH see the Ark in all it's GLORY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqA0S_-b_Rs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqA0S_-b_Rs
I recommend everyone watch this. It is an old Canadian series... it was a bit hokey in the acting but the story is awesome. And the beginning episode fits right into this discussion
THIS is the ARK
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Star_Lost/galaxy_ark.jpg)
THIS is REVELATION :D
Man I just don't get whats happening.
I shut cable off 3 years ago. I watch regular tv SOME TIMES. I programmed the stations in by the TV finding the stations last year. Now, i had channel 32 - 1 station, channel 26 - 2 stations and channel 2 had - 2 stations but a third station went off the air.
My tv now has 3 channel 32 stations and 3 channel 26 stations. So it goes like this order, 32 - 1, 32 - 2, 32 - 3 and 26 - 1, 26 - 2, 26 - 3. I have no freaken idea how my smart tv got 2 extra stations on channel 32 and 1 extra station on 26. I did not program the tv for any more stations. How the frick did those extra channels get programmed in.
One channel 32 - 2 is called escape tv and the other channel 32 - 3 is called grit tv. The extra channel 26 - 3 is called laff tv. Something is wrong with the matrix and I get to witness it.
Quote from: zorgon on August 14, 2015, 02:06:54 AM
Welcome to EARTHSHIP ARK
Seems someone found these old episodes of Star Lost. Meet NOAH and the new crew of the Ark. The first episode really touches on all our theories and origins of religion
The Sumerians believed in their Cosmology that the Earth was a flat disk with a domed tin roof... The story of NOAH came from the Sumerians...
Meet Captain NOAH see the Ark in all it's GLORY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqA0S_-b_Rs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqA0S_-b_Rs
I recommend everyone watch this. It is an old Canadian series... it was a bit hokey in the acting but the story is awesome. And the beginning episode fits right into this discussion
THIS is the ARK
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Star_Lost/galaxy_ark.jpg)
THIS is REVELATION :D
That almost is along the line of the 1972 silent running with bruce dern. A ship is in space with geo domes but in this ship, they raise plant life because earths plant life has all died out. This ship and all it's plant life must be destroyed by the bad guys of earth.
For a tv series that appears to be from the 70s, I don't remember it. The concept of life in the stars on a ship with people being herded by those who know the situation and will keep the secret at any cost, is what's to come in more advanced big/little screen.
It would seem movies and the TV tell us bits and pieces of reality. All we have to do is focus on the message and not the entertainment. It feels like a dream.
Quote from: Gigas on August 14, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
It would seem movies and the TV tell us bits and pieces of reality. All we have to do is focus on the message and not the entertainment. It feels like a dream.
Yes exactly...
The question is is it by intent?... or simply that the writers are tuning into the Hall of Records for inspiration?
Looking at the TV show Stargate SG1 (the show that got me into ATS and this line of research) I would say it is by INTENT
That show has FOUR government agencies involved, DoD, Air Force, US NAVY and US Space Command.
Tom Bedlam told me to pay close attention to the background on the sub used in Stargate Continuum as they showed real stuff (The sub, crew and commander used in the movie used the real people, using their real names)
I agree focus on the content not the overlaid story.
In Stargate it is best to watch it through once and get the entertainment out of the way... let your subconscious mind catch the hidden truths, then watch it again taking note on the information
There was one Canadian film about UFO's coming from a Pyramid in the Bermuda Triangle... forget the name but I will find it
QuoteSo what is the purpose of the survey? It is about TIME. Specifically, a change in the past which had appeared to cause a change in the present.
Well I don't know what or how it is done but I had a very big event take place.
In the 90's probably around 92-93 my daughter called me I lived 33 mins away, first thing that is important is that my daughter is a very unimaginative woman who has no interest in science or science fiction her reading has always been non-fiction and biography types of things she is an athlete and that is her only passion.
So this call should have stunned me, she said "MOM! DID YOU SEE THE UFO"? I replied What UFO...now oddly I did not feel excited and that is simply NOT me.
She said "IT COVERED THE WHOLE SKY! EVERYONE SAW IT, WE ALL RAN OUTSIDE! (this included my daughter, her husband his brother and her Mother and father-in laws 5 people.)
I vaguely remember her saying it blocked out the whole sun, this was a day time thing. Strangely I do not remember anything else and not asking any questions or anything. The following week I did look at the news paper expecting it there but it never appeared.
OK so I forget the whole thing, then one day just after my daughter son was born in July 2000 BANG I suddenly remember this whole episode and can't figure why I didn't ask any questions and how I could forget!
So I went to her town and took her to lunch afraid to broach the subject as she finds UFO's silly and she is not easy to talk to. Finally I just asked her, do you remember when you called me and asked if I saw the UFO? You said it covered the whole sky?
Her expression went blank, looking strange and far away, she said in a slow voice looking off in space like a sleep walker, "I remember something about a UFO." That was it no more.
She agreed to ask the others that was there that day if they remembered, she waited until she was alone with each and asked, and later told be, "it was strange, they each look strange and only said "I kind of remember something about a UFO".She could not ask the Father because of a divorce but the others all said the same.
So I went searching, this was in Chico Ca not a small town! I found this
http://www.ufosightingreports.com/year/1993/state/CA/feb-1993-ufo-sighting-chico-13000300
http://thecid.com/ufo/uf14/uf7/147119.htm
The most interesting report which I saved with these and it is no longer in my folder, was about a single male driving and at the time I read it years ago I had concluded he was in the Feather River Canyon beyond Chico, he said he had stopped when he was tired and pulled in where there was a steep valley (I had concluded this was probably Dark Canyon. He said he walked to the edge and looking down and the valley was filled with a giant ship, in description of size it had room on top for some number I believe it was like 28 semi trucks to sit on top.
Now Dark canyon is off a turn from the main highway and having been there many times we never ran across any people. There is a train track through it, it has an mystery side tunnel that is fenced off and locked that I had always wished to explore. (probably just some relic of the railroad building days) The whole place is rather creepy and dark even in the day after the sun is not high.
I am searching again for this report but so far no luck.
Found an interesting one
QuoteOccurred : 11/18/2001 03:00 (Entered as : 11/18 /01 3:00)
Reported: 11/26/2001 9:39:31 AM 09:39
Posted: 3/11/2003
Location: Chico, CA
Shape: Triangle
Duration:1 min
Huge slow flying triangular object blocking out sky during meteor shower on california's I-5 outside chico.
I stopped to watch meteor shower at a rest stop on I-5 just outside of chico california. When I went between two big trucks to block out some bothersome lights I saw out of the corner of my eye what looked at first like several meteors traveling together. When I looked in that direction I did not see any meteors. As I started to look in another direction I noticed something moving across the sky blocking out the stars. That was how I determined the shape. It was triangular, very large, moving slowly in an easterly direction. There were no lights and no noise. It was hard to judge the size of the object but I estimate that if it was flying low (as in 2 or 3 thousand feet it would have been the size of at least a football field. It disappeared behind the truck trailer and I was unable to find it again when I moved around to the other side of the truck.
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlca.html
I have thought about this topic a lot over the past year. In particular, I marvel from, day to day, about my living in an apparent "Close But Never Over The Line" World.
This relates to a list I keep watching: UFO's, ET life, Bigfoot, Free Energy, Abductions, and Politics.
UFO's dance in the skies but never so obviously that they are globally undeniable. Bigfoot leaves prints and howls across decades but never a dead body. Dr. Mack exposes abductions but gets killed by a drunk driver. Free energy types die conveniently from random murder, heart attacks or fall over dead after announcing their poisoning.
Did Roswell really happen? You read both sides and wonder if it was somehow real and not real.
And politics often looks bizarre or imaginary but the Center always holds. I read alternative news everyday and observe how we are ceaselessly teased that Big Time Change/Doom is here but it never arrives.
Quote from: Dyna on August 15, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
Well I don't know what or how it is done but I had a very big event take place.
In the 90's probably around 92-93 my daughter called me I lived 33 mins away, first thing that is important is that my daughter is a very unimaginative woman who has no interest in science or science fiction her reading has always been non-fiction and biography types of things she is an athlete and that is her only passion.
So this call should have stunned me, she said "MOM! DID YOU SEE THE UFO"? I replied What UFO...now oddly I did not feel excited and that is simply NOT me.
She said "IT COVERED THE WHOLE SKY! EVERYONE SAW IT, WE ALL RAN OUTSIDE! (this included my daughter, her husband his brother and her Mother and father-in laws 5 people.)
I vaguely remember her saying it blocked out the whole sun, this was a day time thing. Strangely I do not remember anything else and not asking any questions or anything. The following week I did look at the news paper expecting it there but it never appeared.
OK so I forget the whole thing, then one day just after my daughter son was born in July 2000 BANG I suddenly remember this whole episode and can't figure why I didn't ask any questions and how I could forget!
So I went to her town and took her to lunch afraid to broach the subject as she finds UFO's silly and she is not easy to talk to. Finally I just asked her, do you remember when you called me and asked if I saw the UFO? You said it covered the whole sky?
Her expression went blank, looking strange and far away, she said in a slow voice looking off in space like a sleep walker, "I remember something about a UFO." That was it no more.
She agreed to ask the others that was there that day if they remembered, she waited until she was alone with each and asked, and later told be, "it was strange, they each look strange and only said "I kind of remember something about a UFO".She could not ask the Father because of a divorce but the others all said the same.
So I went searching, this was in Chico Ca not a small town! I found this
http://www.ufosightingreports.com/year/1993/state/CA/feb-1993-ufo-sighting-chico-13000300
http://thecid.com/ufo/uf14/uf7/147119.htm
The most interesting report which I saved with these and it is no longer in my folder, was about a single male driving and at the time I read it years ago I had concluded he was in the Feather River Canyon beyond Chico, he said he had stopped when he was tired and pulled in where there was a steep valley (I had concluded this was probably Dark Canyon. He said he walked to the edge and looking down and the valley was filled with a giant ship, in description of size it had room on top for some number I believe it was like 28 semi trucks to sit on top.
Now Dark canyon is off a turn from the main highway and having been there many times we never ran across any people. There is a train track through it, it has an mystery side tunnel that is fenced off and locked that I had always wished to explore. (probably just some relic of the railroad building days) The whole place is rather creepy and dark even in the day after the sun is not high.
I am searching again for this report but so far no luck.
Found an interesting onehttp://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlca.html
Reminds me of the handful if sightings that ive had, only for them to be erased from my memory completely and then have been re-remembered upon a trigger.
Odd.
One thing to consider...
IF a UFO is an Alien or Manmade space craft with some sort of intensive gravity field (not Anti Gravity :P That could never power a spacecraft)
Then it would be expected to have strange effects in the local space time.
People have reported time loss and memory issues surrounding contact with these craft
It is known by our scientists that a powerful gravity field can distort time and space... in fact for a craft to achieve FTL or WARP drive this would have to be the case
So lost time and memory loss during an event to me indicate that the story is most likely worthy of my attention
Incidentally this same gravity field would also explain why no one can get a clear photo of an operating UFO..
The field or warp bubble would distort light around the craft.. and energy leakage would account for the glowing at night
(http://dq-nz.org/dqwiki/images/f/fb/Forcefield.jpg)
This same force field bubble would also eliminate inertia inside the bubble, allowing for high speed turns and accelerations
QuotePeople have reported time loss and memory issues surrounding contact with these craft
For my part the oddities include that I was reached by phone a 30 minute drive away. I behaved abnormal instantly in not asking (or cannot remember asking) a single question although I do remember looking for any indication in the following days newspaper and finding none.
So I forgot just like the 5 witnesses forgot and I was only on the phone after the object I assume, left. I forgot for YEARS something that is of intense interest to me.I really don't know how such a thing can be explained.
Once Upon a Time.....
Back in Canada... I started collecting rocks and minerals. We had a Cottage in the Bancroft region which is in what locals call God's dumping ground because the are has small pockets of just about any mineral you can think of in weird occurrences, like a pile of left overs just dumped there.
By 14 I went to my first Gem and Mineral show as a helper for a Croatian Gem Cutter (friend of a friend of the family) Just selling the few specimens I had collected I made $900.00 Not bad for a kid back then :D
Since that time I became an expert on rocks and minerals, took gemology courses and geology classes and learned lapidary..
I have shelves of books on rocks and minerals from filed guide that easily identify them and where to find them, to mineral data books to gem cutting 'bibles'
Travelling to many gem and mineral shows I talked regularly to all levels of people experts in the field...
Not ONCE in all those year, all those books or all those talks were "stones that ring like a bell' EVER mentioned...
Then this morning on Facebook I saw THIS VIDEO (https://video.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpt1/v/t42.1790-2/11867235_814581075307787_1990664359_n.mp4?efg=eyJxZSI6InZpZGVvX3ByZWZlcnJlZF90YWdzXzIwMTUwMTIxLHRoZV9sYXVuY2hlZCIsInJsciI6MTE4OCwicmxhIjo1NDl9&rl=1188&vabr=660&oh=5866005088f6934f452302e1ac967566&oe=55DCFC0A)(need to find the youtube version yet)
WTF?
Okay I know crystals can 'ring' if they are the right shape (naturally tuned) like a crystal class or certain cave crystals... But never in all my years has anyone mentioned these rocks.
Now looking at the one in the video it looks like metal edges almost looks welded... and that 'ring' sounds like the 'rock' is hollow, so I figured perhaps this is a fake (so so many comments) or a meteorite
So I did some searching and found that there are many such rocks around the world...
So right away Wikipedia pops up
Ringing Rocks - LITHOPHONES
Ringing rocks are rocks that have the property of resonating like a bell when struck, such as the Musical Stones of Skiddaw in the English Lake District as well as the stones in Ringing Rocks Park, in Upper Black Eddy, Bucks County, Pennsylvania USA, the Ringing Rocks of Kiandra, near Cooma, NSW and also the Bell Rock Range of Western Australia. Ringing rocks are also known as sonorous rocks or lithophonic rocks, as used in idiophonic musical instruments called lithophones.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/MT_RRocks_aerial.pdf/page1-657px-MT_RRocks_aerial.pdf.jpg)
1983 aerial photograph of the Ringing Rocks Pluton, Jefferson County Montana
List of sites
Ringing Rocks Park - Upper Black Eddy, Pennsylvania, United States
Ringing Rocks Park - Lower Pottsgrove Township, Pennsylvania, United States
Bell Rock Range - Western Australia, Australia
Musical Stones of Skiddaw - Cumbria, England
Ringing Rocks Point of Interest - Ringing Rocks, Montana, United States
The Hill of the Bells (Cerro de las Campanas) - Querétaro, Mexico
The Ringing Stone - Tiree, Scotland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfrLoBpsIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfrLoBpsIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzQU0PaI0mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=PzQU0PaI0mc
So.... Wiki Article appeared 2010
Wiki article also says:
Despite the broad public interest in the ringing ability of the ringing rocks there has not been any actual scientific studies to identify the source of the phenomenon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2P8utjk3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2P8utjk3A
So how did I get into THIS MATRIX CHANNEL where the rocks sing? Perhaps this is why the "Moon rang like a bell"?
I don't know if anyone else is in the same boat, but I find it extremely odd that there was never a mention of these unusual "Ringing Rocks" all those years
ahh Z.. ringing rocks state park is on my list along with hawk mt http://www.hawkmountain.org/
on the eastern part of pa.
some things for ya...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aG-e7zGq3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aG-e7zGq3Y
Stone Xylophone by Michael Tellinger
Published on Nov 2, 2013
Michael Tellinger gives a emonsttration how the stones from the ruins ring like bells, by constructing a quick and simple stone xylophone.
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http://www.skygaze.com/content/strange/RingingRocks.shtml
Strange & Unexplained - Ringing Rocks
[- Amazingly Talented Rocks -]
Southeastern Pennsylvania is dotted with sites where rocks ring when struck by a hammer. These include the Stony Garden (Haycock, Bucks County), the Devil's Race Course (Franklin County), and others in the South Mountain region and at Pottstown. By far the most famous site, and the most studied, is in Upper Black Eddy in Bucks County. It is located a mile west of the Delaware River near the New Jersey state line.
Set in a forested area, the Ringing Rocks appear in a field which has no vegetation except lichens. Ten feet thick and seven acres around, the rocks are composed of diabase, in other words part of the earth's basic crustal structure. There is nothing unusual about them except that when struck hard, they ring. In June 1890 Dr. J. J. Ott, backed by a brass band, played a few selections on the rocks for an appreciative Buckwarnpurn Historical Society gathering. Ott, in short, had learned what other investigators have since confirmed: that the rocks don't have to be in their natural location to ring. They do not even have to be intact.
Curiously, though made up of the same materials, not all of the Ringing Rocks ring --only about 30 percent of them, according to those who have experimented with them.
Though this is undoubtedly a natural phenomenon, it is an odd one for which no fully satisfactory explanation has ever been proposed. In 1965 geologist Richard Faas of Lafayette College, Easton, Pennsylvania, conducted laboratory experiments using sensitive equipment. He learned that when he struck a ringing rock, a series of subaudible frequencies were produced, and these added up to a tone that could be heard by the human ear. He could not, however, determine a specific physical cause.
Some writers have made remarkable almost occult ---claims for the ringing rocks, asserting that something about the rock field spooks animals, even insects, which make a point of keeping their distance. There is nothing especially mysterious about this, according to investigator Michael A. Frizzell, since the area is barren, open, and hotter than the surrounding forest during the summer, thus generally inhospitable to living creatures.
More interesting is a claim made by the late Ivan T. Sanderson, though since then there has been no published replication: - There are some larger rocks which, when hit appropriately, give rise to a whole scale; ... two different ringers when knocked together while suspended on wires produce (invariably, it seems) but one tone, however many different combinations are used."
Ringing rocks have been noted all over the world. Curiously, the kinds of rock possessing such talents vary. The absence of clear patterns in the creation of such odd geological phenomena continues to frustrate theorists.
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http://www.hotspotsz.com/printout12972.html
Ringing Rocks of Pennsylvania
Date: Tuesday, July 27 @ 04:39:07 CDT
Topic: Miscellaneous
In Upper Black Eddy, Pennsylvania lies a field of boulders that just won't keep quiet. Known as Ringing Rocks Park, this jumble of enigmatic stones has perplexed researches for decades because of the melodious tones the rocks produce when struck with a hammer or any solid instrument. Rocks that ring while fun and intriguing are not by themselves that anomalous. The musical qualities of certain types of stone have been recognized for thousands of years. For instance, the Egyptians used large slabs of basalt to produce a sort of giant xylophone.1 However, this particular field exhibits a number of unusual qualities that when taken together add up toa first class mystery.
Hammer in hand, I walked along the dirt path towards the mysterious rubble. All of a sudden, the forest parted and a seven-acre expanse of jumbled boulders spread out before me. The first thing even a casual visitor to the area will notice is the clear distinction between the dense forest and the expanse of rocks that is completely devoid of any meaningful foliage. In the 1960's investigator Ivan T. Sanderson spent considerable time researching the many mysteries posed by this site. Upon reaching the field of boulders Sanderson observed, "The woods stop abruptly all around it just as they do around a lake. You can have one foot on a carpet of greenery, the other on the first bare rock. It's uncanny, and it'struly eerie." The delineation between the ringing rocks and the lush forest is striking, but I didn't find it to be quite as abrupt as Sanderson claimed. The forest and its accompanying soil blend into the outer edges of the rock field over a space of several feet. Glancing down from the edge of the dirt path, I noticed several ringing and non-ringing stones, embedded in a thin layer of soil and joined by some small plants just taking root. But within the vast majority of the rock field, there is no soil to be found whatsoever. Investigators have searched unsuccessfully down through 10 feet of rocks, all the way to the bare rock table the stones lie upon, without finding any meaningful soil. The lack of dirt is truly perplexing and has. ...
left geologists scratching their heads for decades. This area of Pennsylvania is composed of a mixture of rich topsoil and variously sized diabase stones. The field of rocks has a similar composition but without a trace of soil.
A popular explanation for the lack of dirt is that the rock pile is cleansed during rainstorms and thus the soil never gets a chance to take hold. But if rains are responsible for washing the dirt away, why is soil not also washed into the field? And how to explain the fact that there is abundant loam mixed with the many boulders found amongst the trees just outside the main field?
Dr. E. T. Wherry from the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia studied the origin of the site and concluded that it was formed about 12,000 years ago when an area of exposed bedrock was shattered due to glacial climatic conditions.1 Why then in all this time has the surrounding forest not gradually encroached on the perimeter of the field and slowly reclaimed it?
Of course without dirt, it's hard to cultivate any meaningful life. About the lack of vegetation and animals, I quote Sanderson again, "This area is absolutely devoid of all life except for a few lichens that cling to the under, shaded side of some of the boulders, down near the bottom. I've spent days poking about in this weird rockfield, but I have never seen so much as a bird in or on it; and I have not been able to find so much as a single insect more than about twenty feet into it at any point."
Again, I believe Sanderson overstates the barrenness of the landscape. Climbing through the field, I noticed a bee, a moth and several different one-inch black spiders well beyond the twenty-foot boundary Sanderson prescribes. I also found examples of lichens as well as moss growing.
From 1978 to 1983 Michael Frizzell and other members of a Baltimore-based research group known as the Enigma Project conducted their own investigations at Ringing Rocks Park. In addition to the black spiders, they were able to document several instances of snakes slithering through the boulder field. However, throughout their stay, they never saw so much as one bird either within the field or above it.2 My own visit further reinforced these claims but I must admit that I saw and heard absolutely no birds both within the clearing and in the surrounding forest as well.
Invariably the most memorable aspect a visit to the area is the singing stones themselves and there are plenty of mysteries surrounding the sonic aspects of their behavior. Most startling is the fact that not all of the rocks found within the field produce a tone when struck. Frizzell and Sanderson both state that only about 25 to 30 percent of the stones found in the park actually ring. My own observations were a little less cut and dry.
By my estimation, about 10 percent of the rocks ring like a bell when struck. These rocks are easily identifiable because the top portion of each stone has been chipped away by repeated hammering from curious visitors eager to hear their harmonious tones.
A further 50 percent of the rocks do not ring at all and simply produce a more predictable sharp "chink!" when struck. The remaining 40 percent of the rocks in the field fall somewhere in between producing a dull or short-lived ring nowhere near as magnificent as the 10 percent that make up the true ringers.
The 40 percent that fall in between the ringers and non-ringers may in fact represent a transitional group of stones as the field as a whole moves towards a more homogenous state. Future generations may one day find a field entirely composed of ringing rocks, or sadly one that no longer rings at all.
As I walked through the park it became apparent that the tone emitted varied from stone to stone. In fact, so many distinct pitches can be found throughout the field that in 1890 Dr. J. J. Ott accompanied by the Pleasant Vally Band, played several songs using the ringing rocks during a meeting of the Buck Wampum Literary and Historical Association.1
Over the years a variety of experts have put forth theories as to why the rocks ring when struck. In 1919, before the Bucks County Historical Society, Dr. B. F. Fackenthal proclaimed that the observed ringing was due to the rocks' textures. However, he was unable to explain why some boulders in the field ring, while seemingly identical stones of the same composition and texture do not.
More than 40 years later Dr. Richard Faas conducted a series of laboratory experiments and found that when a ringing rock is struck it produces a series of subaudible frequencies that combine to form a tone audible to the human ear. While significant, this discovery still could not explain why only certain rocks within the field ring and most perplexing of all, why no rocks in the surrounding forest will ring even though they share the same diabase composition.2
Research continued and in 1970 scientists John Gibbons and Steven Schlossman concluded that the rocks sing due to an intense internal stress that amplifies the stones' natural frequencies causing them to ring. The cause of this stress was theorized to be a selective weathering process caused by water seeping into the porous rock through minute fissures. The liquid then reacts with pyroxenes found within the stone to form a sort of clay the takes up more volume than the mineral it replaces thereby placing an immense strain on the core of the rock.3
Gibbons and Schlossman further theorized that stones found outside of the main boulder field within the forested areas do not ring because of contact with the moist soil. This overabundance of water causes a much more rapid stressing of the ore leading to fracturing that eventually relieves the pressure and nullifies the ringing qualities of the stones.
While this all sounds perfectly reasonable, it does not explain all of the mysteries found at the park. For instance, why do at least 50 percent of the rocks within the field exhibit no signs of ringing even though they are under identical environmental conditions to ringers located literally right next to them?
Other so called statements of fact in Gibbons and Schlossman's research bare further scrutiny as well. For instance the claim is made that if a ringer is removed from the delicate environment of the field, or if it is smashed into pieces, it will cease to produce a tone. Furthermore Dr. Wherry stated that in order for a rock to ring, it must be positioned in an area so that several of its sides are unobstructed and able to vibrate freely.
All of these claims have been proven false. Both Sanderson and Frizzell removed specimens from the field for prolonged periods of study over a number of years and witnessed no degradation in their ringing qualities. Frizzell witnessed a number of ringing rocks that were broken into several pieces and yet each piece continued to produce a tone.2
Lastly, even a casual visitor to the site will notice numerous examples of rocks tightly wedged into spaces on all sides that produce brilliant sounds. Sanderson goes so far as to quotes an instance where several stones were set in concrete and yet they still continued to ring just as well as before.1 It seems that the scientific community still has a long way to go in explaining away the many mysteries found at this site.
As I stepped from boulder to boulder gingerly hammering away at various rocks, I couldn't help but wonder how this stone field really came into existence. Was there more to the mystery than just an ancient break up of the underlying bedrock as Dr. Wherry had suggested? Often times out of place rocks or erratics are attributed to glacial movement depositing stones in distant areas that they're not native to. Wherry ruled out this explanation for the Ringing Rocks because the continental glacier did not reach as far south as Bucks County.
Another theory for the origin of the field is that it is the remains of a stony meteorite that broke up in the Earth's atmosphere and came crashing into this wooded area. Superficially with their dimpled texture and mottled coating of reddish oxide, the rocks do resemble meteor fragments. But of course the chances of a meteor just happening to be composed of the identical diabase stone that the underlying bedrock is composed of seems too implausible to believe.
One last explanation bears at least some scrutiny. Is it possible that the rock field is the remains of some ancient structure that has long since decomposed into ruin? Support for this seemingly far out theory was found by Sanderson and his team in 1971 when they discovered a small cavern on the northern perimeter of the field. Within the tight space, they were able to discern stone blocks that appeared to be cut and laid in a purposeful manner and held together with mortar.1
This discovery was confirmed by the Enigma Project in 1978 and John Kopfle, a chemical engineer, reported on the existence of a cavity that extended for 15-20 feet into the back of the cave composed of "neat rows of cut stone blocks." I walked back and forth across the northern edge of the rock field, but I could discover no trace of the cavern. Based on published photos the entrance is quite small and without more exact directions, I simple couldn't track it down.2
Just beyond the northwest edge of the field, I did come across a low wall made up of small rocks heading in a straight line off to the west. I followed it to an open field where the wall made a 90 degree turn following the property of a local farm. Stone walls are not at all uncommon in this part of the country. Some appear to have very ancient origins, but most are of recent construction and are used as property boundaries. Most likely the stone wall leading away from the Ringing Rocks is the latter and not some remnant of an ancient fort.
As I walked back to the rocky clearing, it was hard to envision this jumble of boulders once being part of an ancient construction. Except for the small tunnel, none of the rocks in the field seem to exhibit any signs of having been worked by man and to my knowledge no artifacts have been found in the field that would suggest ancient inhabitants.
From the mysteries of why only certain rocks ring to the lack of meaningful indigenous life forms in the area, there is much left for science to explain at Ringing Rocks Park. Some day the mystery may be solved, but for now these singing stones will hold onto their secrets until further investigation can unravel the many enigmas at this unexplained site.
Source http://www.unexplainedearth.com/ringing.php
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http://ringrocks.yolasite.com/
Jared Fortner
NOVA Rockies 2009
WHAT ARE THE RINGING ROCKS?
The Ringing Rocks are a small portion of the region known as the Boulder Batholith. The Boulder Batholith is Cretaceous in age and composes the mountain ranges between Butte and Helena. The Ringing Rocks themselves are an exposed igneous pluton which has been exposed at the surface due to a downdrop of the land surrounding it. The pluton has since curmbled apon itself giving its appearance today as a strange pile of boulders. The way the pluton fell to pieces is unique. The ringing rocks are all boulders. You can find no gravel or smaller sized particles in the pile. The Rocks are mafic and coarse-grained, and we interpret them to be gabbro. The boulders are very angular in shape making them unique from the surrounding granitic plutons. The rocks themselves weather a rust red on the surface due to iron oxide and are pitch black on fresh surfaces. The truly remarkable thing about these rocks, is that when they are struck with a hammer or rock, they create banging or ringing noises of various volumes and pitches.
WHERE ARE THE ROCKS THAT RING?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scVD4J-K67k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scVD4J-K67k
The Theories behind the ring.
The truth is nobody actually knows exactly why the rocks that compose this pluton create this spectacular ringing noise. Many people have drawn theories to why and how they ring and the basis of my study is to speculate a theory as well.
The rocks make a ringing noise similiar to a bell. Some believe that there is metallic material inside of the rocks creating the noise. Another theory is that it has to do with the way the rocks are positioned on the pile, this theory is supported by the observation that the rock no longer seems to ring once it is taken off of the pile.
The theory that I support is that the ringing is a combonation of the position of the rock, the rocks composition and the effect of resonance within the rock, and surrounding rocks
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubAMNVXugY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubAMNVXugY
Uploaded on Nov 22, 2011
Deborah Peters, a graphic designer at Pennsylvania College of Technology and a '97 graphic design graduate, explores the amazing sounds of Ringing Rocks Park in Bucks County, Pa. Ringing Rocks was one of the favorite spots for a beloved Penn College student: http://bit.ly/t5sDap
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An article about a visit to Ringing Rocks Park, entitled Song of the Stones printed in Dignity Magazine.
http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/dignity/song-of-stones.html
The following article appeared in the July 2001 issue of Dignity, a publication of the Pocono Record.
Song of the Stones
Using a stone the size of a baseball, the Catbird judiciously tapped a boulder the size of an office safe and was stunned to hear it chime like Big Ben.
"It's hollow!" she cried.
"No," I responded with the smug assurance of one who already has checked things out on the internet. "It's not hollow; it's just full of iron and other hard minerals."
"I won't go into what you're full of," she responded, sweetly, "but I still say it's hollow. It rings like a bell!"
In the vast field of boulders that give Ringing Rocks Park in Bucks County its name, they all ring like bells, with tones ranging from high ping to sonorous bong. If one could assemble an orchestra of percussionists, each placed at a boulder tuned to a note on the diatonic scale, one might stage a very literal rock concert. Whatever the score, "heavy metal" would lie at its heart, because despite the Catbird's opinion to the contrary, it really is the iron content that makes them ring.
If any geomorphologist knows where all those great stones came from, I haven't found him or her. There is no mountain nearby down which they might have rolled. No remnant of a primordial volcanic furnace in which their igneous bodies might have been forged when the world was young is evident to the layman's eye. They simply lie there, as though cast like eldrich runes from the hand of a giant, in the heart of a 65-acre park owned by Bucks County just 9 miles south of Easton.
The area they occupy might have been a lake bed at some point in time. It covers roughly two acres, surrounded by the forested terrain typical of the rest of Pennsylvania, but for all that one can detect of their origin, they might have come from outer space. We're told another identical phenomenon is located just outside Pottstown. In all our travels, we've never encountered anything quite like it.
Ringing Rocks Park, however, is not easy to find -- especially if you're approaching it from the north, where no signs announce its presence.
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http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/ringingrocks/
Ringing Rocks
Ringing Rocks Park is a 128 acre park nestled in the woods in Upper Black Eddy. Located within the park is a field of boulders, about 7-8 acres in size, that have an unusual property. When the rocks are struck with a hammer or another rock, they sound as if they are metal and hollow and ring with a sound similar to a metal pipe being struck. The park also has Bucks County's largest waterfall.
Besides the strange ringing properties of the stones, there are other mysteries surrounding this park. One odd thing about the park is that most boulder fields are the result of an avalanche from a mountainside collapsing. This boulder field, however, is towards the top of the hill, not the bottom. That means it didn't result from a rock slide. There is also no evidence to suggest that these were dropped here by a glacier as glaciers were not thought to have come this far south. How did this boulder field get to be like this?
The boulders are made of a substance called diabase which is basically volcanic basalt. This is one of the largest diabase boulder fields in the Eastern United States. The boulders have a high content of iron and aluminum and were thought to have broken apart during the Pleistocene Epoch probably about 12,000 years ago. The boulders were created through many years of freeze-thaw cycles that broke up the diabase into individual pieces, a process known as "frost wedging". The rocks may then have accumulated in this one area as the water saturated soil provided lubrication for the stones to "creep" downhill to their present location, a process known as "solifluction". This could have happened during the prior ice ages when overlying moist soil literally slid over the frozen permafrost below, carrying the boulders with it.
Others have more fanciful explanations such as radioactivity, meteorites, comets, or strange magnetic fields. Even supernatural possibilities have been suggested, and the area has been studied by those with an inclincation for the paranormal.
In June, 1890 Dr. J. J. Ott collected enough rocks with different pitches to play some tunes accompanied by the Pleasent Valley Band. This event took place at Stony Garden during the Buckwampun meeting and was, perhaps, the first ever rock concert.
(http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/ringingrocks/photos/ringing_rocks_2006_04.jpg)
This is a wide view of the boulder field in Ringing Rocks park. It almost appears as if it is a dry river bed, but it's not.
(http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/ringingrocks/photos/DSCN2754_800px.jpg)
(http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/ringingrocks/photos/ringing_rocks_2006_01.jpg)
(http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/ringingrocks/photos/ringing_rocks_2006_03.jpg)
It is odd that this one area seems to be so devoid of life, both flaura and fauna. While the surrounding area is thickly wooded one has to look hard to even see a weed growing in the crevices. The boulder field itself is supposedly 10 feet thick and devoid almost completely of soil--the boulders are said to sit on top of bedrock. It is odd if true, since one would expect the entire field to be quickly buried in leaf litter after just a few years considering the amount of trees surrounding it. That there isn't much wildlife around is not surprising since most animals are probably scared away from an area constantly overrun by people loudly banging rocks with hammers.
(http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/ringingrocks/photos/ringing_rocks_2006_02.jpg)
A close-up view of one of the boulders, showing its weathering pattern. Some have thought that this pattern could suggest evidence for a meteorite of extraterrestrial origin, although that is not likely.
(http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/ringingrocks/photos/ringing_rocks_2006_09.jpg)
This rock was found cracked open. If nothing else it does show that the stones are solid.
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http://www.buckscounty.org/government/parksandrecreation/parks/RingingRocks
Parks and Recreation
Ringing Rocks Park (128 acres)
Some times the matrix has to propagate these things for a long time as to not make it obvious this stuff comes out of nowhere into the human consciousness. The rocks sound like tapping on pots and pans only the sound is from what looks to be rock being tapped on. The observable reality can be false with peculiarities not matching the what the observer expects. Nothing is as it appears in this reality.
The fact you were a rock collector at 14 means you weren't told of this and that means you could not know of it. Kinda like neo saying to the architect, either no one told me, or know one knows. But now it's known and you finally found out.
I had a car that had trouble with the wipers not moving across my windsheild. I looked under the hood for that wiper motor and never found it. I took it to the mechanic and he pointed it out, now I saw it. This is the same thing that was told by indians who stood on the shores of the new world as the arrivals from the old world rowed up to the shore in boats. The indians saw them but didn't see the ships that brought them.
The rule of reality seems it has to be subjective, before being objective.
Quote from: space otter on August 26, 2015, 12:58:20 AM
ahh Z.. ringing rocks state park is on my list along with hawk mt http://www.hawkmountain.org/
on the eastern part of pa.
some things for ya...
But the QUESTION of the day is...
Why did I never hear of these before now? from anyone from any book :DThey were NOT in my timeline before yesterday :P
I think these guys are messing with our heads while we sleep
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wellllllllllllllllllll now you know what that old line really means
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING..!
I really luv where I live and that state park has been on my list a long time..but I am always picking up new stuff about other things...you just don't know - what you don't know..
bwahahahahahahahah
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oh yeah ps..when you know EVERYTHING you go poof... ;D
hey Z..maybe a rock section, huh?
I did get to crawl all over this one but ran out of time to get to the ringing rocks on that trip..
I had read this was also n eruption of the earths mantle and was hoping for some psychic insight but too many humans before me had climbed all over it.. still interesting
the youie is ok after about the first minute
there is also I place I have been looking for that I rode thur once on a competition (you just wanted to stop and sty there) and then years later saw a tv thing about it being the oldest piece of rocks from gaia and had been id'd by some penn state group..you'd think that would be easy to track down..sigh
I have found it on a walking trails map but it has been closed down to traffic.
http://enchantedmountains.com/place/rock-city-park
Rock City Park
Rock City Park is a majestic geological spectacle of enormous rock formations and is sometimes called one of the Eighth Wonders of the World. This prehistoric ocean floor is the World's largest exposure of quartz conglomerate (also called ocean spar or puddingstone) and attracts thousands of visitors yearly.
Located on top of Rock City Hill, on route 16, south of Olean, New York. Its altitude is 2,300 feet above sea level. Walk among natures creations and marvel at the rock formations!
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http://visitanf.com/rock-city-park/
An Adventure Worth Repeating
Rock City Park - Olean, NYDescending crevice staircases lead to levels strewn with great monolithic rocks of dramatic sizes and shapes. Once a "fortress" for Indians, the city of rocks is an adventure you'll want to repeat.
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skip to :55 to see the rocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_tAxpnvA84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_tAxpnvA84
Quote from: space otter on August 26, 2015, 02:22:16 PM
hey Z..maybe a rock section, huh?
I started one actually just never got back to it
I will fix that because I wanted to tie in my rocks for sale
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=49.msg617#msg617
well the link is to Crystal and Mineral Reference Guide
maybe a sub thread on just plain old rocks