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Hillary Clinton Says She Will Investigate UFOs and Area 51 to "Get to the Bottom of It"

Is this just another of Hilary's tactics to get all those voters wanting to know about UFOs and Area 51.. :)

or

Maybe the USA members should consider voting for Hilary this election... :P

Or maybe she should look into it first before the Election !

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While campaigning in New Hampshire last week, presidential hopeful and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was reminded by Daymond Steer from the Conway Daily Sun of a comment her husband had said last year regarding UFOs, alien invaders and the Freedom of Information Act, the Conway Daily Sun reported. Clinton responded by saying that aliens could already be here and that she will use the top-secret resources like the governmental desert site Area 51 to find out, thanks to a push by campaign chairman John Podesta, the Huffington Post reported.

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"He has made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out," Clinton answered, referring to Podesta, according to the Huffington Post. "One way or another. Maybe we could have, like, a task force to go to Area 51."

"I'm going to get to the bottom of it," she told Steer.

For many people, Area 51 conjures up images of top-secret military warehouses in the Nevada desert and has spawned countless conspiracy theories involving aliens and government secrecy. Located near Las Vegas, the site's reputation long-lived as a governmental attempt at covering up the existence of aliens and UFOs, such as 1947's Roswell UFO crash, according to CNN. But in 2013, the CIA released game-changing documents that officially acknowledged the military site as a testing site for surveillance programs during the Cold War.

In 2014, Bill Clinton appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live! and admitted to already exploring Area 51 during his second term à la the well-known sci-fi flick Independence Day. Instead, Area 51 is where top-secret technology is worked on, he said. Although he denied the existence of any aliens there, he added that they still probably exist.



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Podesta, who was White House chief of staff during one of Bill Clinton's terms, is a fan of alien belief, according to the Huffington Post. He's previously advocated for the release of governmental UFO documents and in 2002, he said that "it's time to find out what the truth really is that's out there."

But to those who think alien believers are Clinton's new demographic, the journalist Steer told the Huffington Post that he thinks it was just a "light-hearted conversation." Aliens are not officially on the Democratic frontrunner's platform — yet.

http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-says-she-investigate-220453292.html?nf=1



Hillary Clinton Pledges Area 51, UFO Disclosure, Says "We May Have Been" Visited By Aliens Already.

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Speaking with The Conway Daily Sun, a New Hampshire newspaper, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton promised to use her presidential powers to uncover the truth behind Area 51 and UFOs should she be elected President of the United States.

Hillary Clinton acknowledged the role of her campaign chairman John Podesta in pushing her toward a pro-disclosure position, saying that Podesta "has made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out" on aliens and Area 51.

In 2002 he said, " It is time for the government to declassify records that are more than 25 years old and to provide scientists with data that will assist in determining the real nature of this phenomenon."

Hillary Clinton also told reporters that she was open to the possibility that aliens have already visited Earth. When asked about alien visitation, Hillary Clinton said, "I think we may have been. We don't know for sure."

Can Hillary Clinton Succeed Where Bill Clinton Whiffed?
However, much like Bill Clinton, Hillary's stance on extraterrestrials is mostly tongue-in-cheek, largely used to deflect attention away from questions about what the government actually gets up to at Groom Lake, the site of the United States Air Force facility known as Area 51. Bill Clinton has previously denied any alien presence at the base, instead stating that historic secrecy has been for the purpose of stealth technologies research.



Still, Hillary Clinton's promise to disclose Area 51 information goes further than previous administrations, including the possibility of "a task force to go to Area 51."

Reporter Daymond Steer of the Daily Sun previously grilled Hillary Clinton about UFOs during her primary campaign for the 2008 Democratic candidacy. "Yes, I'm going to get to the bottom of it," Clinton promised, acknowledging that FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) filings related to UFOs, Area 51, and government intelligence on extraterrestrial life were the most frequent requests made of Bill Clinton's presidential library archives.

UFO enthusiasts are skeptical of Hillary Clinton's pledge, with the top-voted sentiment expressed on r/UFOs reading: " The last thing you want is someone who was involved in all this and the systematic slamming the breaks on human progress to be in the god damn white house. frig you Hillary. "




http://www.idigitaltimes.com/hillary-clinton-pledges-area-51-ufo-disclosure-says-we-may-have-been-visited-aliens-500769

Damn! you beat me to it!

I see this as a significant event.  Since Hillary is widely known to be untrustworthy, I have no particular hope that she will actually do anything, if elected.  The important thing is that the subject has been brought up in the Presidential campaign openly.

I Initially thought I must have just been viewing the article more or less as it had been posted online... but later I see a related article also posted had been online a while....so I was surprised no one else had posted about it . :)

But Yes It certainly does seem very interesting that she has actually brought this up...as maybe part of her campaign..

But Bill had previously mentioned about it..in one of his interviews..so maybe its part of their ploy.. who knows..

But what ever she tells us ...if anything.... I suspect it will be very questionable or comes across as being that their is nothing going on.. or just some made up story that continues to keep us interested and guessing..

With the recent things like Bob Lazar coming back on the scene... even if what he says was a Hoax... is this another part to it..

or is there maybe something going to happen that shes or who ever is involved with her is slowly leading towards something..

There was a lot suggesting we would get Disclousure last year...  This seems rather a coincidence she has indicated this early 2016..

Quote from: Eighthman on January 05, 2016, 03:00:07 AM
Damn! you beat me to it!

I see this as a significant event.  Since Hillary is widely known to be untrustworthy, I have no particular hope that she will actually do anything, if elected.  The important thing is that the subject has been brought up in the Presidential campaign openly.

Shows how desperate she is :P

She is a pathological LIAR

Pure Bullsh!t That person wouldn't know truth if it slapped her in the face. Even her husband when President did not have high enough clearance to know that. Just google Clinton's speech on UFO's Anyone who buys this deserves her as president :P

Even Omama was denied access to Area 51...

Presidents are short term politicians Most of them do NOT have a 'need to know"

Reagan and Bush Sr did :P

Here is the interview with Bill  He promised too and didn't even ask till his second term :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3F3CXspsuo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3F3CXspsuo

Hillary Hopes You've Forgotten - Have You? (http://www.rense.com/general80/hopes.htm)

Viral image claims Clintons stole $200k in furniture, china and artwork from White House (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/)

Clintons Return White House Furniture - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121856)

Clintons Began Taking White House Property a Year Ago
February 10, 2001|From the Washington Post (http://articles.latimes.com/2001/feb/10/news/mn-23723)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHO1vo762c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHO1vo762c

You educated me on some of the things on Hilary's or / the Clinton's past...Was not aware of some of those things...and some I have not as yet understood or am unsure what it refers to at the moment..

some of them may be from some time back before I started taking an Interest in such things..when I was much more naive..under educated

As much as I could accept that they are Puppets that talk to the Masses..

I recall Bill Clinton's Interview After he was President. doesn't seem that long ago....but not during his campaigns..so that surprised me he has attempted a similar approach..Interesting and a good job we have someone who recalls and tells those who don't know / recall about such things..

I have said before , I really don't know the truth as to what goes on in the Political arena..

The way I see it they seem to be Criminals ran by or working on behalf of a Secret Unknown Criminal leadership..

When they say or refer to such things as referring to UFOs, Area 51... Is it as they believe or make out to be suggesting it to the Public to gain more credibility or Followers..

or is there another agenda to it !

Yes from what we may envision..or think we believe. that they don't know the truth...

Are they aware of at least SOME of the real Truth ?

If they are aware that they are not supposed to know the truth..then why mention it !

Is it their own suggestions or Ideas to try to get the public Interest in their campaigns....

or is it staged...if so WHY ?

Is this going to Lead to something...and is it related to some of the recent UFO stuff that has resurfaced recently ! ???

Is the Election already decided ? so what does it matter why she mentions it ???

Lots of Questions and considerations as to what really maybe going on here...IMO..and I am not sure its that obvious ! other than a ploy suggested to them to make it appear to help them get votes..
if she persuades the masses to vote for her based on that agenda..

I await Donald Trumps reply to her coming up with that !

and as I have suggested although I suspect he will appear to either demean her for it or suggest that he can offer the same..

is that just one big act being put on show to the World !

As I say I have NO idea WHO or what to trust or what to believe with such persons anymore... :-\ ???

but it maybe seen as entertaining  :)

What was it with the Furnature and exposing them for it I wonder !

Was it legit or part of an act to make them appear almost on the level of the poorer people...who may have considered doing such a thing given the chance..

Surely they were wealthy beyond most people and could afford to buy such stuff with ease...or would Know better than to take it knowing it would be noticed... :D

Why was she broke when she left the White House ?

QuoteShows how desperate she is :P

She is a pathological LIAR

Pure Bullsh!t That person wouldn't know truth if it slapped her in the face. Even her husband when President did not have high enough clearance to know that. Just google Clinton's speech on UFO's Anyone who buys this deserves her as president :P

Even Omama was denied access to Area 51...

Presidents are short term politicians Most of them do NOT have a 'need to know"

Reagan and Bush Sr did :P

Here is the interview with Bill  He promised too and didn't even ask till his second term :P

Hillary is obviously not up on current events.

This guy already took care of that job -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n74G0pis3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n74G0pis3s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n74G0pis3s)


See? He's already 'been out there' and there is nothing like that going on there.

Case closed.

Jimmy Carter  tried to find info on ufo's; George Herman Walker Bush was head of the CIA at the time and informed POTUS Carter he didn't have a high enough clearance to be allowed the info...

Remember "Independence Day"? Pres was told by the sec of defense he wasn't told about A51 for plausible denialibility...

Hillary swallows... 8)

seeker

Quote from: astr0144 on January 05, 2016, 05:50:27 AM
You educated me on some of the things on Hilary's or / the Clinton's past...Was not aware of some of those things...and some I have not as yet understood or am unsure what it refers to at the moment..

some of them may be from some time back before I started taking an Interest in such things..when I was much more naive..under educated

As much as I could accept that they are Puppets that talk to the Masses..

I recall Bill Clinton's Interview After he was President. doesn't seem that long ago....but not during his campaigns..so that surprised me he has attempted a similar approach..Interesting and a good job we have someone who recalls and tells those who don't know / recall about such things..

I have said before , I really don't know the truth as to what goes on in the Political arena..

The way I see it they seem to be Criminals ran by or working on behalf of a Secret Unknown Criminal leadership..

Not really unknown...just not really publicized - Skull & Bones Society 322:

QuoteSince Bill Clinton is a member of the secret society, Rhodes Society, he feels also that his supreme allegiance is to that Order, not to the United States of America.  His oath of allegiance to the Presidency also means nothing to him.  Now you know why he can do some of the truly heinous things he has done since he took office in 1993

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1314.cfm (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1314.cfm)

QuoteWhen they say or refer to such things as referring to UFOs, Area 51... Is it as they believe or make out to be suggesting it to the Public to gain more credibility or Followers..

or is there another agenda to it !

Yes from what we may envision..or think we believe. that they don't know the truth...

Are they aware of at least SOME of the real Truth ?

If they are aware that they are not supposed to know the truth..then why mention it !

Is it their own suggestions or Ideas to try to get the public Interest in their campaigns....

or is it staged...if so WHY ?

Even if they knew the truth they wouldn't say. They WILL tell you they will find out to sway votes in their favor but it is strictly for that. Even when and if the truth comes out...who is going to believe it or care anymore other than us rather small amount with interest in it. Even if they said in big bold print on every newspaper "ALIENS EXIST: HERE IS THE PROOF" your day tomorrow will be the same as before you knew the information other than an additional piece of knowledge.

QuoteIs this going to Lead to something...and is it related to some of the recent UFO stuff that has resurfaced recently ! ???

Is the Election already decided ? so what does it matter why she mentions it ???

Because it looks a lot better if you can sway at least a small percentage of the voters to make the "flip" in the Diebold voting machines seem more legitimate. If she only has 10% of the votes and she is their chosen one it is much harder to doctor up a win and make it look legit.

QuoteLots of Questions and considerations as to what really maybe going on here...IMO..and I am not sure its that obvious ! other than a ploy suggested to them to make it appear to help them get votes..
if she persuades the masses to vote for her based on that agenda..

They want another brain-dead person to rubber stamp their signature on anything thrown in front of them. With her all they will have to do is offer up some small perk and she'll bend over any which way they want.

QuoteI await Donald Trumps reply to her coming up with that !
and as I have suggested although I suspect he will appear to either demean her for it or suggest that he can offer the same..

is that just one big act being put on show to the World !

Don't hold your breath...I doubt he will go there at all knowing it is just another ploy to get votes. He is concentrating on what he knows will work for him and not taking shots in the dark. He has his un-politically correct attitude and he is running with that as it seems to be working out for him.

QuoteAs I say I have NO idea WHO or what to trust or what to believe with such persons anymore... :-\ ???

but it maybe seen as entertaining  :)

Ancient Chinese curse... "May you live in interesting times" it seems we are indeed.

QuoteWhat was it with the Furnature and exposing them for it I wonder !

Was it legit or part of an act to make them appear almost on the level of the poorer people...who may have considered doing such a thing given the chance..

Surely they were wealthy beyond most people and could afford to buy such stuff with ease...or would Know better than to take it knowing it would be noticed... :D

Perhaps the sense of entitlement from a position of authority prevented them from seeing that theft was a bad thing.

QuoteWhy was she broke when she left the White House ?

Probably to pay off all the lawyers from Billy's sloppy and highly publicized blowjob extravaganza. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm3d43HLyTI

  Astro

you have to fight your way thur a lot of this..most is Hillary hate and a lot is truth..but not all
you know how the internet works
I've also been hearing a lot of trump hate lately
and I think that if either is actually up for election we should be paying closer attention to who  the running mate is

it's a total embarrassment that this country gets a choice of one of these two.. :(

Just an initial quick reply..

May ponder on a few things for a while..

I appreciate the comments and feedback...and continued education.

Not as yet sure if Hilary Sucks or Swallows  :) or if she may have a positive side or not..

I am not sure as yet if things are just being run by something like  Skull and Bones or maybe some other Bond like Villain like organisation.

Space Otter...

I get the impression you suggest maybe there could be some good points with ref to Hilary..

For a Female President ..I do think she looks the part..and if I was not aware of things I now Know... I may not question her...

We had a Female Prime minister here in the UK in the late 1970s/to 1980s with Margaret Thatcher who was Conservative...who overall most working Class despised ...

but maybe most would not understand some of the things she had to deal with...and in some ways she may have taken on some bold decisions. and opposed some tyranny.. or was it just part of a show...That I am still unsure about...but maybe am starting to think that way..

As regards to Donald Trump... Initially I thought that he was maybe some type of honest to good Maverick who's decided to stand up against tyranny or  the corrupt system..

Although D.T was an astute Businessman and extremely Rich and a VERY strong minded person...I recall some time ago when he tried to oppose Obama... and seeming to be put down by him..
and not really responding back too well against him..as Obama's use of language seemed superior to him..D.T didn't seem too good at replying back to oppose Obama's comments..

I then just thought that D.T is mainly just a good tycoon and businessman...not a good Orator...

But since he has decided to put himself forward for campaign.. D.T now seems a completely different opponent.. and has a much stronger side to him verbally as to what he had previously shown..IMO..based upon what I had seen of him..since having some interest in such things..

With him being mainly a highly successful  businessman..Has he done that thru sheer hard work and talent or thru some forms of deceit or dishonesty ?

My overall beliefs was he was quite legit..and not greatly corrupt..

But if hes now part of the Election campaign process..

How does he seem to appear Now !

Is he legit or part of the act ?

That I have had or am having some issues trying to decide..

He has had some past friendly dealings with the Clinton's on the past...maybe attended some events with them..(Weddings or something)

So that suggests to me he may appear to be opposing Hilary...but he may also be a close Fried to the Clinton's in reality..

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Quote from: astr0144 on January 06, 2016, 12:47:43 AM
Not as yet sure if Hilary Sucks or Swallows  :) or if she may have a positive side or not..

Bill was sure That is why he got Monika :P

As to her digging in to UFO's  what makes ANYONE think she would be told anything?

Well CNN says this

Hillary Clinton (jokingly) pledges UFO probe
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/politics/hillary-clinton-area-51-aliens/

So as I said  All BS :P

Quote from: astr0144 on January 06, 2016, 12:47:43 AM
How does he seem to appear Now !
Is he legit or part of the act ?

Try THIS

This is possibly the BEST speech I have ever heard about anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YclHsO6IprM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YclHsO6IprM

QuoteThat I have had or am having some issues trying to decide..
He has had some past friendly dealings with the Clinton's on the past...maybe attended some events with them..(Weddings or something)

I have photos of me at events where I pose with people I don't support. Why would Trump not socialize with the people in Washington? Socializing does not mean support  LOL  My group did charity work at the home of a rich person that I neither know nor like... but the event was merely hosted at that house and we supported the event

Otter your point is taken and noted. But in my opinion if she makes statements about women reporting sexual abuse should be believed, then what does that say about ALL the women that have reported the same against her husband? And her absolute derision of his accusers?

Looking at that Video, It does make  strong points with regards to the Cred and abilities of Donald Trump.

All I can say is if hes legit and gets elected. and there is really a fair system and its not able to be manipulated by who ever maybe in control.I hope that he can change things for the better ...

I may question what may his opposing sides may try to do to stop his campaign.

With regards to that Photo... I am led to believe that it was the Clinton's who had attended his Wedding..... Not D.T attending the Clinton's or some other connected association between them...

But out of Courtesy even if he did not have any agendas with them..He may have allowed it for publicity or other reasons.

QuoteI have photos of me at events where I pose with people I don't support. Why would Trump not socialize with the people in Washington? Socializing does not mean support  LOL

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Quote from: zorgon on January 06, 2016, 01:13:27 AM
Try THIS

This is possibly the BEST speech I have ever heard about anyone

He is just another liar, telling people what they want to ear.  ::)

Quote from: space otter on January 06, 2016, 02:17:05 AM
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That's why some people have said for some time that the US would elect a black president before electing a woman, and we can see that was true.

QuoteTry THIS

This is possibly the BEST speech I have ever heard about anyone

Everything he said it true yet it is also true that if Trump decides he hates a group of people or he doesn't think women should wear pants...he feels he has the right to speak for everyone. What Trump wants he gets regardless of who he has to trample to get it.

He clearly has a cruel streak and he seems racist, he also speaks anything on his mind. Fine for a Man of business maybe but this can start wars when you lead a Nation. He has no fear of starting wars he is eager to show his power and his ego and his greed, his need to top everyone, could lead the nation to disaster. A stay sentence uttered with his usual lack of respect or thought could end friendships hard won.

I wonder, what if aliens are running things on planet earth and letting the governments continue as a facade.

Do we want to know? If we find out that there is no control by any human anywhere and we are just like cattle in a feed lot do we want to know? I can think of a few reasons why it may be a bad idea to tell us in some situations, the truth.

Think how people respond when the power goes out. What people do when they are afraid. Most people on sites like this would respond differently but we are not a majority, it would be chaos.

George Knapp just posted this  I am having serious doubts about George these days :P

Hillary Clinton knows where the extraterrestrials are being hidden, and it's not Area 51

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QuoteHillary Clinton doesn't want to build a wall to keep out aliens. It wouldn't work. A dome over the whole planet would be necessary.

Besides, they're probably already here.

Last week the Democratic presidential front-runner said she wants to send a "task force" to Area 51, the famous and officially secret military base in Nevada that conspiracy theorists believe houses space aliens.

"Yes, I'm going to get to the bottom of it," Clinton said when asked if, as president, she'll find out what the U.S. government really knows about aliens visiting Earth.

She didn't just say it, reported the Conway Daily Sun, she said it "with enthusiasm."

Clinton said she'd personally like to look around Area 51, the New Hampshire paper wrote. "At first, she called it Area 54 and then corrected herself," it added.

Corrected herself? More like accidentally let the cat out of the bag. It could be that Area 51 has been a ruse, a diversion, all along. Maybe the previously unknown-to-the-public Area 54 is where the federal government is really hiding the aliens who crash-landed in the New Mexico desert in 1947.

Hillary's husband Bill, who of course spent most of the 1990s as president of the United States, has already publicly said there are "no aliens there," referring to Area 51. He carefully avoided mentioning Area 54.

-- Douglas Perry

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/01/hillary_clinton_just_might_kno.html

SERIOUSLY? Area 54!!!???  From the CARTOONS

This is making me sick  literally  and that wink creeps me out

If any UFO believer votes for her :P I will erase them from my list :P

::)

That is Bold of you "Z" to post that and refer to your doubts about George Knapp, especially if you may had been quite a believer in him in the past as I am sure may of the Bob Lazar story followers had been...

but I have to agree this may appear to raises further doubts..

Talk about wanting to keep the UFO / E.T / Area 51 Subject secret or away from publicity...

This could not bring it to the attention of the World any more on such a scale I wouldn't have thought so ..other than E.T landing to say Hello ! we are here  :)..

As I have mentioned recently and a few times...I have wondered if the whole thing may have been a long drawn out hoax....(IF it is untrue)...

and maybe the recent return of Bob Lazar...is part of a longer term ploy...

Basing on what this seems to be showing... That maybe does seem possible..

I suspected that George Knapp on CIA and it there is something going on..with his past connections to the Bob Lazar story.

Whether or not Bob is part of it is still a tough one for his followers to accept...

and so far its only A51 watchers story that keeps me still unsure..

Taking his word /story and the videos that he has created that still makes me wanting to believe the Bob Lazar story..

This really does upset the situation...

But knowing how CIA and who ever may work... there could be more to this than is obvious to both the believers and sceptics..

Maybe there is some truth in it all and hes telling the truth...and they have moved things elsewhere or somewhere as is suggested.. even if it is to Dugway in reality.. they may suggest its somewhere else...but it maybe half the truth...

that of course to try to help her get votes from those wanting the truth about Area 51..

It will be interesting to see what she does if she does get elected..

Could she really get to the truth or will she be denied access  :)
Is she below investigation level ?

That we would suspect unless there is something happening in reality...that they were to expose E.T to the World..(Maybe if the E.Ts are asking to become known to all  :D)

but the likes of us question the recent goings on !  :-\ ???

At the end of the day it still will prove nothing either way..be it truth or deceit...

You said George Knapp just posted it...was this on a website of his ?

I could not see any ref to him..It was wrote by someone Called Doug Perry.

someone posted this about the Clintons on that webpage comments

QuoteGood diversion for these

·THE MANY CLINTON BODY BAGS
lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" and associates of Bill and Hillary Clinton -
1- James McDougal - Convicted Whitewater partner of the Clintons who
died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997
at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown (Washington, D. C.). The
murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of
sexual harassment by Clinton in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House Councilor, and colleague of
Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law Firm. Died of a gunshot
wound to the head, ruled a suicide. (He was about to testify against
Hillary related to the records she refused to turn over to congress.)
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported
to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the
investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's
skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was
being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal
with prosecutors.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund
raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director
found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock on September 1992. Described
by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in
the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed
Willey died on the same day His wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill
Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in
Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection
outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a
dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this
information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his
house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he
had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential
people who visited Prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging
suicide. He was reported to have ties to the Clintons' Whitewater
deals.
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was
found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head.
It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases,
as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along
with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones Lawsuit, and Kathy Ferguson was a
possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fianc?e of Kathy
Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fianc?e, he was found
dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave
site of his fiancée.

AND THE LIST GOES ON - TOO MANY TO LIST ON THIS SITE

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George Knapp just posted this  I am having serious doubts about George these days :P

SERIOUSLY? Area 54!!!???  From the CARTOONS

This is making me sick  literally  and that wink creeps me out

If any UFO believer votes for her :P I will erase them from my list :P

::)

Where does the "area 51" come from? I mean was there an area 50? What does it mean?
Ok looked it up funny I never looked before ::)

QuoteA cryptonym is a secret name or code word that usually relates to a classified military operation. Most notably, the Central Intelligence Agency, or CIA, has used code names to reference people, operations and other agencies since it was established in 1947. Hoping to attract workers to the base to begin testing on the new U-2 Spy Plane, Area 51 was originally named Paradise Ranch. However, this blissful alias soon gave way to its more famous, cryptic code name.

The number 51 refers to the grid, or parcel of land, that the secret military base sits on. Maps dating back to the 1950s mark the area of land surrounding Groom Lake, approximately 6 miles north-to-south by 10 miles east-to-west, as Area 51. A small nuclear testing site located just to the north is called Area 13 – also named for the stretch of land it occupies. So the numeral does not designate the 51st flying saucer found in Nevada, nor anything else related to extraterrestrials.

http://blog.dictionary.com/area-51/

Quote from: astr0144 on January 07, 2016, 03:21:08 PM
That is Bold of you "Z" to post that and refer to your doubts about George Knapp, especially if you may had been quite a believer in him in the past as I am sure may of the Bob Lazar story followers had been...

George is a career news reporter  He gets a very nice paycheck :P

In the current age of propagandization I guess he too needs to stir the pot and put out what his audience wants to see...

In my opinion however promoting Hillarys JOKE about UFO's is dangerous  because the large majority of UFO believers just blindly jump at everything  and the last thing we need is votes going to the wrong person for the wrong reason

There is NO WAY Hillary would EVER be 'in the know'   Why any UFO believer would even consider that an option is beyond me...

Listen to Bill Clinton's interview on that matter... he didn't get into the loop either, besides CNN said she was JOKING

Frankly I am getting sick of this stuff :P  The harder you work to show some reality, the more crap gets piled on you to bury it

Is this part of a cover up plan? Maybe but I doubt it. It seems more the money grabbers agenda to scam believers out of their dollars

On the other front the politicians currently running the West seem to all have lost their marbles. The refugee situation is going to over run Europe... MSM is avoiding the problems for the most part but videos coming out of Europe are showing Muslim rape gangs all over Europe.  Germans Swiss Austrians   all buying guns at a phenomanal rate. American gun sales 6 months straight at record highs

But if you point this out  your a racist or a terrorist.

I think UFO's are going to be low on our priorty list in the near future.

Quote from: Dyna on January 07, 2016, 08:39:37 PM
Where does the "area 51" come from? I mean was there an area 50? What does it mean?

It is always interesting when some blogger decides his version is correct :P

No there is no Area 50 though Tonopah has been unofficially dubbed Area 52

Here is a map of some of the other Areas   Area 1 is just NE of Nellis AFB in las Vegas  You can see the buildings from the road that passes by the end of the runway

(http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/NTS_detonations.png)

Here is where Area 51 is located

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Wfm_area51_map_en.png)

The actual origin of the name is classified :P But the blog info is copied from here

Nevada Warbird Survivors 2002: A Handbook on Where to Find Them (https://books.google.com/books?id=iitZJFlrU9MC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=area+51+name+origin&source=bl&ots=hBDqEvhclI&sig=EmAeF5DFN4kbe7bROAXkRwx4xIA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWtb7d05jKAhVW_WMKHQbnD1QQ6AEIZDAL#v=onepage&q=area%2051%20name%20origin&f=false)

But Burntheships and I did a lot of work on tracking that number :P

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Patches/007.gif)

This is the secret mission patch of EWAH
This patch is worn by people working for a unit descended from the 413th Flight Test Squadron. Elements of the former 413th FLTS became a part of the EW Directorate known by its organization code EWAH. Located at North Base at Edwards, EWAH has its own commanding officer who reports directly to the EW Directorate.

The collection of 5+1 stars recalls the nickname Area 51, the Air Force's classified "operating location" at Groom Lake.

AF Fact Sheet
http://www.afhra.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10738 (this has the regular histroy of the unit)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Patches/007a.gif)

This is a  inside the cockpit of the formerly top secret TACIT BLUE "stealth" demonstrator"  The configuration of the star here is different but basically 5 smaller stars and one bigger one. These stars can be found on many top secret mission patches  (see Burntheships extensive work :P )

These stars also show up HERE

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Patches/Subaru_logo2.jpg)

This is the Subaru emblem  Subaru in Japanese means Pleiades 

Pleiades...imagine that...

Best known for its Subaru automobiles, FHI also manufactures commercial and military aircraft and aircraft parts, engines and machinery, buses and rolling stock.
FHI has four divisions that support each other in technological research and advancement:
-  Aerospace: This division is a major contractor of aircraft, helicopters, target drones and related parts and services to the Defense Agency of Japan. Sales of the Aerospace Division are both commercial and defense-related. These products are marketed domestically to the Defense Agency as well as United States markets.
SOURCE: Subaru_History.aspx

Perhaps after this you will understand their ARE NO COINCIDENCES and its all part of the bigger picture...

I haven't as yet decided if I think Hilary was joking or was just making a statement to get publicity .or if its a deliberate planned ploy by whoever...As Maybe News / media  headlines may vary on that ..

I do think if there was some conspiracy, that it could be made out that Hilary could seem to look into Area 51 . She / (they whoever)  may somehow be able to stage something to make out that she would be doing so...and then to tell the World what she claims to have discovered..

whether that is she found nothing or something !  :)

If she or who ever wanted to get her to say she found nothing..maybe that would be further fodder that would be passed on for the World to ponder on..

Or if for some reason she or they wanted to create some other theory or story... they could come up with many possible options..

To me if there is a general system in place between the US Gov / CIA and what ever corporations maybe involved in Secret research.. I see no reason WHY they could not make out that Hilary gets Clearance...to then offer her some further media attention..

The Idea that there are those higher up than the likes of the President.. is that really reality..if they are all connected in say the Elites being in Charge and control..She or whoever is just part of that set..

As to whats going on Worldwide with all the upset and Uncertainty that seems to be going on..as a Priority to be more concerned about Verses UFOs / ET...

Then there's no doubt when threats , war or economic hardship occur.. UFOs and ET are not on ones concerned list...

If all that is going on is some sort of distraction towards that ...It still seems doubtful..as there are numerous possibilities as to why things seem like they are other than that..

But there's no doubt it makes peoples lives less secure or contented...

and if and when all that seems to be happening does get so out of control... it maybe none of us will have time or inclination to think of UFOs..

eg if we see an Economic collapse, Famine or out of control weather or we have a Nuke Terror attack /  War or some sort of Mass Imigration complete take over..

The way the World weather seems at the moment..does no doubt seem a concern...

In the UK.. its been extremely mild and strong winds but we have had many large areas of severe flooding...

I do Question is this being Manipulated..

and is there a combination of events and happenings that are all being put in place leading to something..

Maybe with regards to the US election as an Eg..

ie there are SO MANY issue and problems all ocurring..

Maybe some of the election candidates can use these to offer their ploy to help solve such issues..

although I don't suppose they need so many bad things that are going on just for that reason..

QuoteGeorge is a career news reporter  He gets a very nice paycheck :P

In the current age of propagandization I guess he too needs to stir the pot and put out what his audience wants to see...

In my opinion however promoting Hillarys JOKE about UFO's is dangerous  because the large majority of UFO believers just blindly jump at everything  and the last thing we need is votes going to the wrong person for the wrong reason

There is NO WAY Hillary would EVER be 'in the know'   Why any UFO believer would even consider that an option is beyond me...

Listen to Bill Clinton's interview on that matter... he didn't get into the loop either, besides CNN said she was JOKING

QuoteI think UFO's are going to be low on our priorty list in the near future.

Astro - either you are reading too much into Z's post or not reading closely enough.

There is no evidence that George is involved in anything nefarious. I asked Z for specifics on George knowing anything about Corbell's activities.

He confirmed to me that there is ZERO evidence to support this claim made by Sarge, which is no surprise since Sarge has demonstrated his ignorance about the case on more than one occasion,  which also surprised Z.

But this has never stopped him from running his mouth on the case. Sarge obviously consider John to be a liar about going out to see the saucers with Bob.

I invited him to ask John about the case and his response was 'he doesn't believe everything John says'.

So in the end there is ZERO evidence to discredit Bob OR George, despite what ignoramuses would have you believe.

I have responded in pm to this POS!

Quote from: astr0144 on January 07, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
I haven't as yet decided if I think Hilary was joking or was just making a statement to get publicity .or if its a deliberate planned ploy by whoever...As Maybe News / media  headlines may vary on that ..

The "Whoever" that is driving this is John Podesta   I suggest you google him

Grant Cameron of Dark Thirty Radio is pushing Hillary's UFO bid to all the UFO believers he reaches

QuoteI do think if there was some conspiracy, that it could be made out that Hilary could seem to look into Area 51 . She / (they whoever)  may somehow be able to stage something to make out that she would be doing so...and then to tell the World what she claims to have discovered..

Oh come on now  No other president has EVER gotten close save a couple and they will never talk.  A friend of mine had access to Cheyenne Mt same time as a Senator was on an inspection tour  The senator was PISSED and made a scene because he was only allowed access to certain levels  My friend was going 5 levels lower :P

QuoteTo me if there is a general system in place between the US Gov / CIA and what ever corporations maybe involved in Secret research.. I see no reason WHY they could not make out that Hilary gets Clearance...to then offer her some further media attention..

yeah just like Bill said  "I had my guys check out Area 51  there are no aliens just some secret airplanes"

QuoteThe Idea that there are those higher up than the likes of the President.. is that really reality..if they are all connected in say the Elites being in Charge and control..She or whoever is just part of that set..

Look use common sense  (or watch the TV show Westwing :P )  A president gets 4 years maybe 8 years... but for the government to run efficiently for the long term there has to be a staff that runs things  THIS IS WHY presidents are 'read in' to office. The reading in is where they are told how things work  and what they can and cannot do  When a new president is put in office its like "Oh damn here we go again... need to break in the new guy"

QuoteAs to whats going on Worldwide with all the upset and Uncertainty that seems to be going on..as a Priority to be more concerned about Verses UFOs / ET...

UFO's and Aliens are heading more into woo woo land than ever before With the ease of making fake images videos and even UFO making phone apps its just becoming a mess  Guy like Jamie Muassan proven hoaxer yet MUFON still pays him to speak  WTF?

And hope of real info is almost impossible  A51 has a cool video  It's great for us that know... but the fickle public wants to see the good stuff (which is all fake :P )

QuoteIn the UK.. its been extremely mild and strong winds but we have had many large areas of severe flooding...

You ain't seen nothing yet Have you seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow?  I recommend it

QuoteI do Question is this being Manipulated..

By whom? Not Hillary or Obama :P they don't have the power

QuoteMaybe some of the election candidates can use these to offer their ploy to help solve such issues..

The only ploy is to get your vote. Which politician has EVER kept their pre election promise? When will the people realise it will NEVER happen? Yawl keep falling for it over and over again expecting different results  That is the definition of insanity

Quote from: A51Watcher on January 08, 2016, 03:00:50 AM
There is no evidence that George is involved in anything nefarious. I asked Z for specifics on George knowing anything about Corbell's activities.

I thought this thread was about Hillary?  I merely pointed out I don't agree with George for promoting this Witch to the UFO community He is listened to  If people think he supports this crap from Hillary they will be swayed 

As far as Corbell goes that was a private message. What I confirmed was that I had no evidence to support what I know because the conversation about that was already gone at facebook and I did not have a copy of it That is why I did it via PRIVATE message and not in a thread.  Since Corbell was blocked from using Johns account at FB and was blocked on John's computer we have no more access to him directly

Sure I should have saved all the files from the posts  but we didn't  That is why I didn't make a post about it> I told you also that Dan was involved in that convo with George  in fact Dan was the one who spent the most time on that  But again I wasn't going to put it out in the thread

I will also remove these posts shortly as they have nothing to do with Hillary and this UFO vote bid farce

QuoteHe confirmed to me that there is ZERO evidence to support this claim made by Sarge, which is no surprise since Sarge has demonstrated his ignorance about the case on more than one occasion,  which also surprised Z.

Sgt was there with me at Johns house when the whole Corbell affair started Sgt myself and Dan fought this out on FB until Corbell blocked us and we had his access to John Lears FB account cut off

So in this case I have no idea why you are stirring this pot as nothing was posted in any thread  Seems no one around here understand the purpose of private messages

Perhaps I should shut close the place down and go back to the website only

QuoteI invited him to ask John about the case and his response was 'he doesn't believe everything John says'.

I also don't believe everything John says  but I have known him long enough to know when he is in fact mode and when he is in story telling mode. Even John doesn't believe everything he says... and has changed his position on many things like that soul catcher on the moon

QuoteSo in the end there is ZERO evidence to discredit Bob OR George, despite what ignoramuses would have you believe.

NO one even mentioned Bob and no one is discrediting George  I just do not agree with his motive in the Hillary deal and the Corbell deal is still out with the jury which is why I only mentioned it in PM

When it comes to who is who in the hierarchy in either the USA or World power...be it a secret society.. Skull and Bones or what ever..

I do not know the details...I suspect few really do..

As an eg ..Is it like the Masons with various levels...or is that just what we are led to believe ?

I wonder what would a 33rd degree Mason Know over their associates ? that would be that much of a greater issue if say all Masons were aware that ETs existed or had their connections with us and Earth..   

I say that as overall they would ALL know generally what the situations would be... It would not be any great secret...and any higher level issues would just be to do with certain decision making..

but generally ALL know whats going on..  This is the eg that I am referring or comparing to with those who are in Power..or control on our Planet now..

there doesn't need to be any secret that Hilary or who ever is a Electoral candidate as to if they no about Area 51 / ETs etc.

But All I was suggesting was if these persons are all in or connected to it ... they could stage many a situation..

When I say ALL.. I just mean those selected in say a
Fraction of those we may envision at the Top.. that maybe 1000 to 100,000 or a Million persons world wide...I don't know what that number maybe.. just taking a guess...
..

The way I see it is the Clinton's are a big part and maybe do the play roll on their behalf.. We have no idea what they may really know.. or whether they could really get to know the highest level of knowledge on say Area 51.. or ET stuff...Bill could decide to say anything !  ???

They don't have to tell us the truth.. they can play roll it to the masses in any way they like..

It may not be just a few  people at the top.. it maybe a Organisation that gels together and each who play the part are aware in reality of what goes on..

They maybe sworn to secrecy and know what the consequences would be if they spilled the beans..

Having said that, I am sure that there maybe certain things that really do have to be kept secret to a select few and that could not be risked to be given to too many persons...  that being that the less people know about it the less chance of it being exposed..

BUT the chances are ALL those in power will / would be aware if there really are ETs and UFOs involved in the control or connection of this world..

I don't see that as being that big an issue to them... not once you have the sort of knowledge that we now discuss on this forum.

The Votes mean little if its already part of a act...as its already determined in advance who's going to be elected next after Obama...or they don't really care..

They just change the situation as it arises..

Hilary , Donald Trump etc  may just be putting on the outer show..

What if ETs are in control...with the likes of Area 51 and even the so called secret Elite...But overall want to remain elusive and out of sight..

Chances are, we already have weapons and technology that is so powerful , it wont matter who has what.. be it the USA or Russia / China...and that maybe on Human Technology terms..

IF its ETs technology.. then its who the ETs are who maybe the issue...which of those may have the most power... Not that it may make much difference to us Humans as I am sure they could destroy anything if they wanted to...

It does seem however.. that No Matter what weapon power we have.... the Controllers want to control us more and more...maybe leading to no matter how Slight...if they do aim to chip everyone and can monitor every function we do or thought we have..

(Could that really happen ?)   How may we envision such possibilities  ? Would we seem alive with any free will or never knowing when we get controlled...(Would or could we do anything about it ? ) if once such a thing was put in place..

It maybe we would not know until it occurred and they later decide to switch their system on as such.. if thats a SCI FI idea that may become potential reality..

and that does seem a real threat for us the average People..

Hitlers ideals being taken to the next stage.. and just how bloody far is it going to go ???   :o >:(  Human or ET control ?

Maybe going a bit too deep on that suggestion..! :) but if they are here... I wouldn't count it out..

Id prefer to hope if they are here its just as a stop of point.. like the theory behind the Tall Whites and that they are not here for any sort of power or control of our World or Races..

With ALL the Issues of ET and UFO stuff now easily available to all thru the Internet..(at least in the 1st World).and being given so much about them in the media and on the movies and TV..

The World now only has to get over what would happen if we were told ETs are here in reality...

It maybe a Shock and Have some huge initial impacts... depending HOW they went about exposing it...(.they could drip feed it in various ways..) but Maybe NOT as much a shock as we may envision now that the world is partially aware of what sort of things we may come to expect...ie we have been partially mind controlled to it already IMO...on quite a big scale..

If it was 100 years ago.. with non of the Modern Electronic technology..the situation would be completely different...They would hardly have ANY idea what it would be about..and it would be quite a shock..and maybe little way to get the religious to accept it..

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Quote from: astr0144 on January 08, 2016, 09:41:50 AM
As an eg ..Is it like the Masons with various levels...or is that just what we are led to believe ?

Most of what you hear about Masons is what the internet thinks about Masons :P  Most masons are simply a club of businessmen that help each other out in jobs and business and get together at the lodge for some rituals that they don't even know the origins of.

QuoteI wonder what would a 33rd degree Mason Know over their associates ? that would be that much of a greater issue if say all Masons were aware that ETs existed or had their connections with us and Earth.. 

An Ancient Egyptian Spirit once told us on a forum (yes he was real :P )  His name was Aken Nan Yah  At first it was a little difficult understaning him as he wrote in a very weird dialect of ancinet Egyptian :P But Matt gott through and he picked up english later

aken_nan_yah wrote:
Rahubaat ila ent
Ent atha fi aum_mir_re_ka
atha ent tamarean shil har
aneya tamarean
aneya wabaat shil asaru
tawuhaat,
ba temb ta mean universal soular illumination my english is not good me and my friends were trying on forum intersting, you know i am ancient egiptian

That was his first attempt It was in reply to something we were looking at at the time :D  Nevermind if you believe it or not... but later on he said this

aken_nan_yah wrote:
what they did to the masons (MY sons) was not write out of 360 degrees of knowledge they only gave them 33 degrees


Do you understand the implication? :D

The item we were discussing was this

(https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/composite/19,35/celtic-cross-vector-101935.jpg)

QuoteI say that as overall they would ALL know generally what the situations would be... It would not be any great secret...and any higher level issues would just be to do with certain decision making..

Only at the higher levels do you get the knowledge The lower levels you only get the basics The same way compartmentalization works in the Military  Need to know basis only

Quotebut generally ALL know whats going on..  This is the eg that I am referring or comparing to with those who are in Power..or control on our Planet now..

ALL only THINK they know what is going on and will stick to that belief until someone smacks them on the head with reality :D

Quotethere doesn't need to be any secret that Hilary or who ever is a Electoral candidate as to if they no about Area 51 / ETs etc.

Why do you think ANY politician needs to know what is going on at Area 51?  Do they talk about it? Do they need to know to do what ever it is they do?  or is it only certain groups in the Military that need to know?

If YOU were president  and were told we have anti gravity flying saucers with beam weapons... would you not want to use them and finish up that war in a flash?

QuoteBut All I was suggesting was if these persons are all in or connected to it ... they could stage many a situation..

Secrets are impossible to keep if every one knows them :P  The fewer that know, the easier it is to keep hidden If what you say is the case  we would alreadt have disclosure That is just common sense

QuoteWhen I say ALL.. I just mean those selected in say a
Fraction of those we may envision at the Top.. that maybe 1000 to 100,000 or a Million persons world wide...I don't know what that number maybe.. just taking a guess...

Probably closer to 20 that know everything :P

QuoteThe way I see it is the Clinton's are a big part and maybe do the play roll on their behalf.. We have no idea what they may really know.. or whether they could really get to know the highest level of knowledge on say Area 51.. or ET stuff...Bill could decide to say anything !  ???

The Clintons are puppets that have no need to know. Very few presidents have ever been on that list Eisenhower was one Bush Senoir and Reagan... I am unsure if there are any others  Nothing I have seen in 40 years brings up any other name  Jimmy Carter says they wouldn't tell him and he asked directly and even reported one that he saw himself.

Carter had approached Bush and stated, "I want to have the information that we have on UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence. I want to know about this as President."

George Bush, according to Smith said, "no...that he wasn't going to give this to him...that this was information that existed on a need to know basis only. Simple curiosity on the part of the President wasn't adequate."

This Carter-Bush UFO question, referred to by Smith, was probably asked during the first 45 minutes of a multi hour briefing on November 19, 1976. This is the only time that Bush and Carter met while Carter was President-elect. Bush was replaced as DCI, once Carter became President, so there was never a meeting between the two after Carter entered the White House.

The 45 minute segment of the briefing given to the President-elect, was described by the CIA as a briefing on certain "exotic weapons and very closely held items relating to sources and methods."

QuoteBUT the chances are ALL those in power will / would be aware if there really are ETs and UFOs involved in the control or connection of this world..

Unless the truth is that there are no ET's visiting on a regular basis and that the 50's was the hay day :P So when current people in office say "We are not aware of ANY connections with ETS and our staff" they may just be telling the truth

Area 51 is run by the NAVY   HAARP is run by the NAVY   The secret space program is run by the NAVY  The Challenger disaster enquiry was run by the NAVY  The presidents honor guard is MARINES  The top gun pilots are NAVY   Clementine Sateliite that took the best moon photos was a NAVY ship

So why would ETs be messing with ordinary politicians?  Stop looking to the government for disclosure  They don't know anything :P  Eisenhower warned us  Reagan gave the Alien speech and was responsible for Star Wars  Clementine was a Star Wars mission  The NAZI rocket scientists worked for the ARMY SMDC (Space and Missile Defence Command) who have been on Kwajalien Atoll since 1954  BEFORE NASA and are still there and its called Ronals Reagan Test Site  Reagan is dead.  Bush Senoir won't be here long  Maybe we can get a death bed confession from him :P


Now regarding those 33 Degrees and the Celtic Cross  THIS is what Aken Nan Yah said was "ba temb ta" meaning Universal solar illumination

(http://thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Celtic_Cross/crichton4.jpg)

There is another way to symbolize that cross

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Rose_Cross_Lamen.svg/2000px-Rose_Cross_Lamen.svg.png)

aken_nan_yah wrote:
The rosycrusions use the celestial cross for protection via invisibility and to leed them into soul illumination thus conferming ba Temb Ta

Now you have been shown a few keys :D  A circle is 360 degrees Full knowledge - universal solar illumination - ra the sun god - enlihghtenment

Masons only get 33 Degrees :D

I'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.

As for the structure of secrecy throughout government, it's pretty simple. If you go too far, they kill your dog, your mom, your wife or.....you. In addition, there is the time honored "making your bones" principle - you commit a heinous crime as observed by your fellow conspirators.  I believe that molesting and murdering children plays a big part in gluing together the elite in Britain. Once you're in, you can never leave.

Throw in some blackmail from NSA spying and we can understand why EU leaders are servile vassals of the US. More encryption and more public acceptance of being gay may help to break down this coercion.

QuoteI'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.

of course magic works
it's only considered 'magic' because you/anyone  don't know or understand how it works or what is really happening

many have tried but very few have been able to wield their own power..we just don't hold onto this body form long enough anymore to be really good at it

Lots of interesting feedback / comments..and info to ponder on further..that may take a while to respond to for now..

But this one... I have to ask about !  :)

why do you suggest hes a Egyptian Spirit ? and not just someone on the forum with set knowledge of the subject ?

Was this on the prior open mind forum ?

Not sure who Matt is !

QuoteAn Ancient Egyptian Spirit once told us on a forum (yes he was real :P )  His name was Aken Nan Yah  At first it was a little difficult understaning him as he wrote in a very weird dialect of ancinet Egyptian :P But Matt gott through and he picked up english later

Is this the same as the  Rosicrucianism

is it also some sort of Occult Society ? with Egyptian connection..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism

Quoteaken_nan_yah wrote:
The rosycrusions use the celestial cross for protection via invisibility and to leed them into soul illumination thus conferming ba Temb Ta

This maybe an eg of the secret 20...as similar to that from the "X Files"...

where the Elders or Shadow Govt Syndicate hold their secret meetings  :D

William Davis and John Neville & Don Wiliams played such characters and really looked the part IMO..

This tells what some of the Characters in the Syndicate were..
and who played the higher levels. For what its worth if one is
interested in such things ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_X-Files_characters#Well-Manicured_Man

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I thought that John Neville really looked like the type of Character one would expect in the Shadow Govt...Sadly he passed away in 2011.. :(

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William Davis the Smoking man..also played a great part and had the right look about his Character..

Chris Carter or who ever seemed to select Great Characters for the X Files series..All Great Actors..

or visit the "X Files" Storage area down long corridor's    :P

Would that be at the Pentagon ?
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The Secret Meeting Offices in London U.K..

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Interesting that Hollywood has come out with popular films or TV shows that pull some of the veil away.  You have the Avengers/Marvel talking about a civil war in the US and you have Blacklist which regularly fights against "The Cabal" connected with an evil CIA.

As to magic and its reality, I would like something better than 'it works but I can't demonstrate it".  If the TM experiments with mass meditation are valid, we might be more powerful than we think.  The father-son team that tried to study prayer objectively years ago got pounded with hate mail and both committed suicide. Very spooky. Is there someone above us that blocks exposure?

Hope "Z" or someone can give you an answer to your Magic Question..

Some things I really do wonder about like Black Magic and Voodo or Curses...As well is some magic reality..even what we see on TV...

Much has been exposed , and we get shown how its done... but somethings seem to defy explanation...

My only experience was believing that I once was under a curse..After taking an Occult book from a place that used to meet at a old Church that I occasionally visited...At time I did not know what it was.... but after some bad luck incidents over some weeks..Much more than normal...Was it a Coincidence , I don't know...I investigated further to find it was connected to the Occult.. and it was something to do with the Rosicrucianism and had some things within the book to do with Egypt...

QuoteI'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.

Yes there has been a fair amount suggested about many disturbing things within the Govt or certain select groups...

Are some rituals that have been continued from some of the past where they would do such acts...

QuoteAs for the structure of secrecy throughout government, it's pretty simple. If you go too far, they kill your dog, your mom, your wife or.....you. In addition, there is the time honored "making your bones" principle - you commit a heinous crime as observed by your fellow conspirators.  I believe that molesting and murdering children plays a big part in gluing together the elite in Britain. Once you're in, you can never leave.

That may well be truth...and is no doubt terrifying as to what could be happening or occur and i suspect similar things could happen to anyone if your unlucky to get caught in such positions or within certain groups or you are targeted...

Its hard to believe what Power some of these groups could have over anyone...

QuoteThrow in some blackmail from NSA spying and we can understand why EU leaders are servile vassals of the US. More encryption and more public acceptance of being gay may help to break down this coercion.

With the likes of the "X Files" ..and if E.T is here... It may make One  wonder is it been done to show somethings that maybe connected to it...

or what we see in other Sci Fi Movies etc may have something based upon reality..

QuoteInteresting that Hollywood has come out with popular films or TV shows that pull some of the veil away.  You have the Avengers/Marvel talking about a civil war in the US and you have Blacklist which regularly fights against "The Cabal" connected with an evil CIA.

Interesting thoughts..

I think that's a very good possibility.. that we may have a lot more to us than we are presently conscious about..

Or if we have been created thru the likes of E.Ts.. that we have hidden powers....but then again... why are we not fully aware of them or taught them....

Most may seem uncertain..

or maybe the system does not want to inform us of our real potential..

QuoteAs to magic and its reality, I would like something better than 'it works but I can't demonstrate it".  If the TM experiments with mass meditation are valid, we might be more powerful than we think.  The father-son team that tried to study prayer objectively years ago got pounded with hate mail and both committed suicide.

Very spooky. Is there someone above us that blocks exposure?

I find the story of John Dee interesting and others who were clearly genius and looked beyond what we now consider the only norms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee

Quote from: Eighthman on January 08, 2016, 01:24:43 PM
I'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.

"Magic" is a word usually used by those that do not understand a science :D Arthur C Clarke wrote THREE LAWS

Clarke's First Law:
"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

Clarke's Second Law:
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."

Clarke's Third Law:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Einstein Said:

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

and

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."


Matthew 17:20 Jesus says quite clearly:

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. "

Religion says "He meant that figuratively to mean you must have faith"
But NO he didn't because

Matthew 21:
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     When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry.
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    Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again." And immediately the fig tree withered.
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    When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, "How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?"
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    17 Jesus said to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.

So he meant it LITERALLY :P

Yoda Says:

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Luke:

"I can't believe it."

Yoda:

"That is why you fail."


So you can call it "Magic"  or "Secret Knowledge"  or "Mind over Matter" (quantum physics)  We have mostly lost the art... even Tibetan Masters are saying they only know half of what their ancestors knew

Why? Because religious and politican persecution has KILLED of the old masters  out of fear of their "Magic"

Quote from: Eighthman on January 08, 2016, 01:24:43 PM
As for the structure of secrecy throughout government, it's pretty simple. If you go too far, they kill your dog, your mom, your wife or.....you.

Very true. It was quite common in the early days of UFO research CIA agents infiltrated EVERY UFO group and as far as I know are still there today. For insiders spilling the beans they usually left you alive after killing your dog your wife your kids so you will know the error of your ways.  Sudden death by cancer was a favorite  hard to trace  a needle injected between the toes hard to spot...

Wernher von Braun and Ben Rich (Skunkworks) both died of cancer 3 months after retirement

Car accidents are another good one.  How do you have a fatal crash on a dirt road with no one around? :P

QuoteIn addition, there is the time honored "making your bones" principle - you commit a heinous crime as observed by your fellow conspirators.  I believe that molesting and murdering children plays a big part in gluing together the elite in Britain. Once you're in, you can never leave.

The CIA is know as "The Company"  You never retire. Hollywood has shown us this concept many many times in spy movies. There is only one way to quit :D  They do have retirement resorts for old Spooks...  Noriega was held at one... who knows Osama bin Laden may be there too

QuoteThrow in some blackmail from NSA spying and we can understand why EU leaders are servile vassals of the US. More encryption and more public acceptance of being gay may help to break down this coercion.

One of the things that really got me with the Obama birth certificate mess... the CIA etc can create an entire history with documents good enough to pass any inspection in any country. All spys have multiple identities stored in safe boxes in case they need to make a hasty exit...

So WHY did the CIA not just make Obama a birth certificate and add it to the records? They do it for undercover cops. WHY did we have such a hard time getting that document?

Death were easier in the old days of spying  then they went to the discrediting and ruining you so no one would believe you. Seems they may be returning to that death option again these days

Quote from: space otter on January 08, 2016, 02:12:43 PM
of course magic works
it's only considered 'magic' because you/anyone  don't know or understand how it works or what is really happening

Clarke's Third Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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Quotemany have tried but very few have been able to wield their own power..we just don't hold onto this body form long enough anymore to be really good at it

"Do or do not! There is no try" ~ Yoda

The problem today is a shortage of Masters that can teach and the internet has so much information from the old Mystery Schools available that anyone can look up

The problem with having all that knowledge available is people will try things and then get into trouble. Lets compare it to brain surgery. You can find all kinds of medical texts on brain surgery... but does that mean you should say "Ah I get it!!" and start operating? 

Same way with the esoteric sciences. You need basic training from a teacher.  You cannot just pick up a book and start You have no idea what you are doing. Trial and error does work to a point but if you don't learn how to protect yourself you can get in trouble very quickly and there is no one to help you back

Take chemistry for example. Sure go read a book mix up some stuff and blow up your garage :P  Wouldn't it be smarter to at least have some basic training in chemistry so you know what to expect?

People are pissed of at Secret Societies for withholding knowledge  People are pissed of at Governments witholding Secrets  So should the government then hand out the knowledge to make atomic bombs to everyone?

It is true that such knowledge IS in fact available.. both the atomic stuff and the esoteric stuff. Fortunately most people are not smart enough to figure it out. :P

But I knew a fellow that gazed too long into a crystal ball and lost his mind  literally. He 'fell in' as it were and did not get instruction on how to pull out before hand  There is an old saying "Only fools rush in where Angels fear to tread"

Is there a Dark Side? You bet  Aliester Crowley was a Rosicrucian that went to the dark side.  The Wiccan Rede reads;

"An it harm none do what ye will"

This means you are free to do what you want SO LONG AS IT HARMS NO ONE ELSE   Crowley changed it to read;

"Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"


Now when it comes to Secret Societies there are those on the side of Light and those that work for the Dark Side. The very term "Illuminati" means Illuminated One or enlightened. Yet today that word has been vilified to mean Evil  Lucifer was the Bringer of Light... the Christian made him into Satan

Prometheus brought FIRE to mankind to keep warm and cook his food. For that the "gods" punnished him for eternity

The Serpent (Reptilian :P ) in tthat Garden gave mankind KNOWLEDGE The 'gods' were pissed and tossed man out of the garden

Genesis 3:22
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

Too bad Eve didn't take that other fruit first :P

So which side is the REAL Dark Side?  Look at the world today  The Christian Jews and Muslims are amping up their 2000 year old hatreds.. yet all three worship the same god. More deaths have happend in the name of god and by god then can be attributed to the devil

But you can't say that are you will be called a racist and a satan worshipper. A woman in Afghanistan was just killed by an angry mob for burning a copy of the Qur'an Turns out she didn't but they pronounced he innocent TWO DAYS after her death...

So the Secret Socities that work for the Dark Side are in control, like they were when they put Hitler into power. But Hitler was removed in time and after that we had many decades of peace an prosperty  Even in Iran women wore bikinis.

Then the Pendulum swung back

Luke asked Yoda "Is the Dark Side stronger"
Yoda: "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive."
Luke: "But how am I to know the good side from the bad?"
Yoda: You will know...

The Dark Side does NOT have absolute control If they did we would not be talking about it on the internet.

However there is a danger. The internet is a powerful tool for bending minds

You have heard me talk about THE SECRET  The Law of Attraction. Basically this is the power of mind over matter "Believe and ye shall receive"  The Christians say it "Ask[prayer] and Ye Shall Receive"  Jesus said it: "Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive."

Now consider this..

IF this is indeed true  that you can manifest reality by mere thought... what happens if you can sway 1000 people to believe what you WANT them to?

This is very easy to do... look at cults, look at religion, look at politics. People, the vast majority, need a leader... they cannot think forthemselves. It is thuse easy to control them and direct them to think for YOU  So all that energy is directed in a way YOU choose

This is how the Evil Cabal rule... and the internet is a tool that can mold peoples minds It is easier to make people share evil dark thoughts than to have them focus on good

Sure you have the New Age Light Workers  but most of those are really in Lalaland and are not very effective. But the vast majority of those posting on FB etc are sharing the EVIL those giving it LIFE and POWER

Ignoring it doesn't make it go away :P Promoting the Light does help. Make the Pendulum swing back

Quote from: astr0144 on January 08, 2016, 02:38:50 PM
But this one... I have to ask about !  :)
why do you suggest hes a Egyptian Spirit ? and not just someone on the forum with set knowledge of the subject ?

Yoda: You will know...

QuoteWas this on the prior open mind forum ?

On the 1Annunaki forum :D  The film that was suppressed and never allowed to make it to the theater

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2iSd9b9UsE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2iSd9b9UsE

QuoteNot sure who Matt is !

Co-founder of Pegasus :P

QuoteIs this the same as the  Rosicrucianism
is it also some sort of Occult Society ? with Egyptian connection..

"some sort of occult society" 

Probably  yes :P

::)

Quote from: Eighthman on January 08, 2016, 05:40:31 PM
Interesting that Hollywood has come out with popular films or TV shows that pull some of the veil away.  You have the Avengers/Marvel talking about a civil war in the US and you have Blacklist which regularly fights against "The Cabal" connected with an evil CIA.

Hollywood is a very good source of information A LOT is hidden in plain site. This does not mean you should take everything as fact. You still need to follow up on real leads

A good example is James Bond films. Remeber that scene where James stole a rocket pack to get away? THAT was still on the secret list at the time

Stargate SG1 TV series... we have endless pages about the reality of that show here and at ATS  The "Stargates are Real" thread at ATS is still the #1 top thread in the UFO section (well it was last time I checked) That TV show has FOUR government agencies supporting it. The Dept of Defence, the Air Force, the NAVY and US Space Command. The patch worn on the Prometheus is the REAL Space Command patch. In Stargate Continuum they used the real nuclear sub with the real commander and officers. Tom Bedlam told us to pay attention to the background as you can spot soem real secrets on that sub :D

The CIA and FBI get some really good exposure  both good and bad but there are over 150 intelligence agencies in the USA alone. Most people have no clue about them (you can read about them on our website)

One TV show worth watching for reality is NCIS(Naval Criminal Investigative Service)  It is funny and informative. Showing the active connection between the NAVY and the Mossad... AND they show who really runs things as SECNAV(Secretary of the Navy) always has top priority over FBI CIA and even Secret Servive :D

It is the top rated TV series and has run for 13 seasons

There was one show that mentioned AUTEC  It was interesting because the episode really had nothing to do with AUTEC (A.U.T.E.C The Naval Area 51) only the name mentions as a possible involvement. What was interesting is that Abbey  the Goth gal forensic specialist... made a MODEL of AUTEC and in bits throughout the episode she was working the mysterious conspiracy angle about AUTEC ... a real in your face hint :D

AUTEC- Atlantic Undersea Testing & Evaluations Center.

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QuoteAs to magic and its reality, I would like something better than 'it works but I can't demonstrate it".  If the TM experiments with mass meditation are valid, we might be more powerful than we think.  The father-son team that tried to study prayer objectively years ago got pounded with hate mail and both committed suicide. Very spooky. Is there someone above us that blocks exposure?

It appears so that someone or something is blocking us. Ingo Swann the best remote viewer we had writes about this blockage in his book "Penetration"

In the stories of the past sorcerers, witched, magicians were able to do all sorts of 'magic' Then came the Dark Ages.  Back in the 50's both Russian and the USA started researching psychis powers with some success but we could never get near moving spaceships like Yoda did or mountains like Jesus told us

So seeking that blockade has been the life search of most modern seekers and "Illuminati"

Is it possible that the "dark side" has gained so much power only they can do it? Maybe BUT if they were THAt powerful we would be in really deep sh!t right now

So in my opinion the blockade is from outside (which is what Ingo says as well)  Beth(Undo) told us of a time during her illness that she had an OBE and went out into space above the Earth where she had an encounter that scares her back to earth though did her no actual harm

Ingo's story "Penertation" is also a scary read

Few years back when one of our admin Old Dude had a team of 5 amateur (women) RVers go on a trip to the moon, all but one was scared so bad they returned right away. One hung out and hid in a cave, manages to sketch a plant at the mouth of that cave then she too feared for her life and ran. All 5 quit RV after that

In another case I ran into a chap at ATS. I spoke about certain persons who were involved in the CIA Stargate RV program and mentioned that one person, Ron Blackburn had created Psitech to take Stargate into the public sector after congress found out about it and ordered it shut down (the files vanished :P )

This fellow said "Bullshit"   The next day he came back and said "Errrr what you said yesterday... I'll get back to you"  the third day he came back and said "You were right... but it's a tabboo subject at work"  Apparently he asked his boss :P Seems he worked at Psitech  Almost got fired for asking but was told "We don't disguss that here" in a very firm way. He since formed his own RV company  He then said 'I owe you one... where would you like to see?"

So I requested a look at Venus... I have the report  will post it soon...  The team did not understand the results and they were so scared that they asked the report not be released.

So yes we are being blocked by someone/something for some unknown reason

It MAY be because we are really still at Kindergarten level but playing with matches called Nukes :P

The 1951 movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was based on a real story

A lot more thought provoking content that you posted to this thread "Z"..A Lot to try to take in and absorb... and some of it seems rather disturbing..and concerning.

One may have to question looking so deep into such things for the sake of ones own life / family / connected associates.

Its a wonder we are still here  ???  but I know there have been some who have lost connections...and maybe some may wonder as to why, or natural causes.

Is / was this CIA ploy to the Main players within the field or even the  conspiracist or researchers..

QuoteVery true. It was quite common in the early days of UFO research CIA agents infiltrated EVERY UFO group and as far as I know are still there today. For insiders spilling the beans they usually left you alive after killing your dog your wife your kids so you will know the error of your ways.  Sudden death by cancer was a favorite  hard to tr

It takes some time to take some of it in or to be able to easily respond to in one attempted reply or session...

Will have to try and come back to some of it..

Some of those things just seem in another life outside and beyond what most folk can to try to comprehend..

This reply may take someone like ArMaP to question what you mean if I cannot work this reply out..

QuoteQuote from: astr0144 on Today at 07:38:50 AM
But this one... I have to ask about !  :)
why do you suggest hes a Egyptian Spirit ? and not just someone on the forum with set knowledge of the subject ?

This was about "Planet X" and the Annunaki..
They did do a movie later that was similar to this...

QuoteOn the 1Annunaki forum :D  The film that was suppressed and never allowed to make it to the theater

Was he from other forums that you were on prior to PRC..ATS or Openminds..

How many Co founders were they other than you and him ?
(Are the others the main mods that still remain and are active or even with John)

or was it just the two of you ?

I dont recall seeing him posting...What happened to him ?

QuoteQuote
Not sure who Matt is !

Co-founder of Pegasus :P

Hope that being connected to it in someway does not place Egyptian  curses or black  magic on anyone who may upset or get on the wrong side of them !  ???

Quote"some sort of occult society" 

Probably  yes :P

If anyone doubts that psychic/magic stuff really exists, try a personal experiment. If you do it sincerely, with intensity, you will have your proof, in your own experience. What is this experiment?

Curse someone.  Find someone appropriately evil you feel strong negative emotions about. Now, meditate everyday in intense periods of personal emotion about what should happen to them. Like them getting hit by a car.

After a month of this daily routine, watch what bizarre and nasty things happen to your own life. You may feel terror that you cannot stop this and its 'blowback' into your life. The goofy Wicca folks who dance in the moonlight apparently have it right ( stuff comes back 3 X ).

Impressive as this is, it leaves you frustrated (and scared) as to looking for Positive effects, not synchronistic personal injury.  I did think that maybe it would work if you intensely wished for a Politician (insert Hillary, Trump, Cruz, Sanders as is your choice) To Be Equal To You : broke and unknown. Take that, you screwed-up Universe!

Is the Phychic / Magic a topic that you have a main interest in or experience in what you have indicated ?

QuoteIf anyone doubts that psychic/magic stuff really exists, try a personal experiment. If you do it sincerely, with intensity, you will have your proof, in your own experience. What is this experiment?

Is this something that you believe or had experience in  yourself ?

QuoteCurse someone.  Find someone appropriately evil you feel strong negative emotions about. Now, meditate everyday in intense periods of personal emotion about what should happen to them. Like them getting hit by a car.

Is that to suggest that the negative type mediation thoughts on someone else may come back to effect ones own self in a negative way ?

Not been aware of the 3 X come back..Other than maybe a myth.

QuoteAfter a month of this daily routine, watch what bizarre and nasty things happen to your own life. You may feel terror that you cannot stop this and its 'blowback' into your life. The goofy Wicca folks who dance in the moonlight apparently have it right ( stuff comes back 3 X ).

It would be concerning if any of us could do this and we are all been cursed for our past Sins..

but who knows ... that maybe the case..with Karma !

If possible Id prefer to avoid having others target or having to consider such things to get ones own back..

I know they say in the Bible Eye for an Eye...

Should we always take revenge ?  Are we weak if we dont ?

Some situations will in most cases appear beyond what some of us are capable of dealing with... that's the way I see things the older i get.. but in my teens I may have had little fears of such thoughts and believed that I could have delt with most things.

but How nieve / misled I must have been..

Fear certainly has a major controlling factor in every ones lives at some point...

and one try's to avoid such situations..and sadly for many .. they lead lesser quality lives..

Sometimes Paranoia can take over even when things are not really an issue... other times....we mess up and don't act in the right way to avoid issues.

QuoteImpressive as this is, it leaves you frustrated (and scared) as to looking for Positive effects, not synchronistic personal injury.  I did think that maybe it would work if you intensely wished for a Politician (insert Hillary, Trump, Cruz, Sanders as is your choice) To Be Equal To You : broke and unknown. Take that, you screwed-up Universe!

The things that I experienced in this 'curse' experiment were so improbable and strange and damaging to me that I would never do it again. I prayed and meditated to end it immediately.

There is another experiment I did that might be related, some years later.  I tried to 'manifest' my car as invisible to police. This was only intended as temporary because of a registration/salvage title situation. It seemed to work and I got my temporary inspection and registration sticker in my beat up Toyota window. I was happy I was 'home free'............until....

Within the ten day temp period, I was unexpectedly pulled over by a police officer who asked me a bunch of questions and offered no particular reason why I was being stopped. No probable cause at all, no ticket, just blind fishing. It was weird, as if my "invisibility" suddenly "flipped over" or reversed itself into the opposite! Never happened before or since.

So, yes, I'm interested in what the 'unwritten rules' of psychic effects are - and how I can use them effectively and safely!  As my experiments and the experiences from "A Journey Into Prayer" suggest, this stuff can get dangerous even if think you are 'in the right'. 

oh eigthman

you need to start an entirely different thread on that...I know there are a few on here from back a bit
so a question on an older thread  or new would be good.

but I must tell you that if you are looking for shortcuts to riches or such.. they do tend to go in ways you don't expect

and as Z kinda mentioned..your first lessons should be in protection before projection

Thanks for your explanation/s on your Curse Experiment and other experiences.

The Occult is something that I know little about and maybe had been wary to consider looking into...be it Fear..past uncertainty to believe in it., ridicule..etc..

But my own thoughts about my own past experiences when I wondered if I became cursed..has always made me wonder...
as well as seeing stories about Egyptian Curses, Voodoos and some things of the Dark Side..

If one tries to ignore such things... does that help one..or are the ways to possibly counter the concerns of such things that can protect one or their loved ones.

It maybe that their is something in how the  power of our thoughts can determine things for us.

But as I have got / or we all get older , the more things that we become aware about and some we may think that we can illiminate as threats..

It maybe sometimes that we can also bring things on our selves by thinking about such stuff  that also may be a factor to be aware about...OR it all Maybe Pure Mysticism and not what we may have imagined.. Overall that was the stance I may have decided to try to take...but at times one still has situations occur that one questions...

I never used to believe in Ghosts until I had an experience with one...and had some other persons have such ones shortly after in a place I was worked,, and I did not see any of them being connected or as being possible hoaxs...

It may or may not be a topics worth investigating...

or a topic to compare or learn about others views and and experiences.. if one can find the time between other areas of interest...

There is a Mystic section if we needed to start a separate thread or maybe Sky Otter has an existing one she wants to refer to..


There also could be connections to all this within the Quantum World...and I recall there was some stuff posted about this by Cosmo somewhere....that looked very interesting but maybe also quite a hard topic to try to understand...

QuoteThe things that I experienced in this 'curse' experiment were so improbable and strange and damaging to me that I would never do it again. I prayed and meditated to end it immediately.

I did try to manifest stock symbols to make $ , pre-2008.  I got it to work twice but that was it.

I once met Russell Targ at a weekend seminar and he showed us a tape on using RV to predict silver futures. The BBC did it and it later ran on PBS but you won't find any record whatsoever of it.  He said they kept trying (for charity) but couldn't repeat the initial $100K success.  He wrote the incident off to the "trickster" element in PSI research.

As to claimed Illuminati-style rituals practiced in the modern day, I wonder if any of it is serious - and does it "work". OTOH, maybe this stuff would 'work' across ages if lots of people keep it alive thru symbols.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/284214/ghosts-more-likely-to-be-male-claims-study

As with the above, emotion may strangely play a big part in this topic.  ESP could be a survival mechanism triggered by intense fear, etc.  - which may help to explain why dull repeated prayers (such as for the British Royal Family) don't accomplish much.  As to ghosts, I think the above study might comport quite well with Buddhist ideas about karma and the importance of 'being chill' in the death process.

just for you guys... ;D  sorry don't know how to make it larger....enjoy






http://www.dispatch.com/content/sections/opinion/beeler-cartoons/index.html

Quote from: zorgon on January 08, 2016, 07:41:30 AM

You ain't seen nothing yet Have you seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow?  I recommend it

Oh, a new alien invasion movie is currently being promoted in the UK. Target of invasion, London.

Quote from: zorgon on January 08, 2016, 10:30:37 PM

The 1951 movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was based on a real story

Have never heard anything about that before what gives you this impression?
One of my favorite movies!

Quote from: Dyna on January 09, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Have never heard anything about that before what gives you this impression?
One of my favorite movies!

'Venusians'   ???

I know we drifted off topic a bit...I wonder if Hillary is looking for leverage. Maybe she makes these public UFO comments as a veiled threat -"back off your email investigations or else I'll disclose". Desperate but what ammo does she have left?

In addition, accounts are surfacing that she may have severe head problems - weakness, headaches, maybe even the beginnings of dementia.  This may set up her future defense for multiple felonies as diminished capacity.

Quote from: Sinny on January 09, 2016, 06:23:05 PM
Oh, a new alien invasion movie is currently being promoted in the UK. Target of invasion, London.

How nice :P But does it explain global warming?

::)

Quote from: Eighthman on January 10, 2016, 12:51:39 AM
In addition, accounts are surfacing that she may have severe head problems - weakness, headaches, maybe even the beginnings of dementia.  This may set up her future defense for multiple felonies as diminished capacity.

An insanity defense would work...

One only needs to look through her photos to see that there is something wrong in the head

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Quote from: Dyna on January 09, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Have never heard anything about that before what gives you this impression?
One of my favorite movies!

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=103.0

Quote from: Sinny on January 09, 2016, 10:30:53 PM
'Venusians'   ???

During the 50's flap it was all Venusians (except Billy Meires Pleiadian)

The saucers looked like the typical Hannebu type associated with the NAZI. 

The "Venusuians" looked white :P and like us  Were they from Venus? or did they just say that to be more believable at the time frame?

A civilization on Venus would also be easier to accept than aliens from anothe star system :D

Quote from: space otter on January 09, 2016, 04:34:01 PM
just for you guys... ;D  sorry don't know how to make it larger....enjoy

(http://www.dispatch.com/content/graphics/2016/01/06/160106beelertoon_c.jpg?)

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sections/opinion/beeler-cartoons/index.html

This is pretty much the nucleus with Hillary, at the center is her
"INT" intel she used to enrich herself through her foundation,
and complete deeds for those at Wall Street as they prepaid.

She would say anything to maintain her bank balance,
and her bulging eyes are most likely a symptom of her
thryroid imbalance.

I've really enjoyed this thread. Learned quite a few things, thank you Z. :)

Quote from: zorgon on January 10, 2016, 03:36:18 AM
During the 50's flap it was all Venusians (except Billy Meires Pleiadian)

The saucers looked like the typical Hannebu type associated with the NAZI. 

The "Venusuians" looked white :P and like us  Were they from Venus? or did they just say that to be more believable at the time frame?

A civilization on Venus would also be easier to accept than aliens from anothe star system :D

Yea, I think Nazi's.

Some of the concepts presented in the Meier material had only ever been uttered by Nazi's prior - coincidence?

Anyone have thoughts on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aguEFSBbIi8

I usally end up discounting footage like this - But I actually find this very freaky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z_GYnXbPxw

 

this is  in regards to reply #33 by Z...
I ask where I could read more and here are some links..if anyone else is interested


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/01archives/Celtic_Cross.htm

http://thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/02files/Aken_Nan_Yah.html
http://thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/02files/Aken_Nan_Yah_02.html




and I am sorry but I have no references for this story about venus
  but I have a memory of reading it way back - probably early 70's
that  the entire population of the  planet  venus  "evolved" to a higher level all at the same instant
and a mixed up reckoning about them either starting as trees or turning into trees to be at peace...
sorry  I am not in the mood to go thru my old books..not even sure if I have them anymore as I have done several purges for space on shelves thur the years
so does anyone have a clue ?



hey Z this is really a mucked up thread... ;D  8)

Thank you Space Otter for showing me where to look.  :)

smiling tree
being a life long tree hugger I do luv that name
you are welcome..there is so much on here I sometimes think Z should be at least 200 yrs old
bwhahahahahahahahah

really go to this listing and be prepared to stay awhile

*   The Living Moon Website 
it takes you to here    http://www.thelivingmoon.com/       

Space Otter, thank you! I have been to that site many times since Z invited me over about a year or so ago. I have trouble retaining everything I learn.... (Age)  :P.

But mainly, in the beginning I would read things and just take them in. The more I have learned and now know,  these things are more relevant and make more sense to me now.  Whereas before, it was just something I was reading.  :)

I'm not one to really go back and re-read things but I'm learning how to. I've never read a book twice nor seen a movie after the first time. I don't get into the 'oldies but goodies' music nor watch old re-runs of classics. I like the new stuff....music, movies, TV shows. I kind of think, been there, done that!! But with all this stuff, after researching for about 3 years now, I've found that I have to go back in order to understand what I read the first time.  ::)

I've also been thru all of these old threads but its nice to have so many things that have been said by Z to be put TOGETHER in one place at one time. I think he should write a book. Why does everyone else get to make the money and not him when many times he knows so much more than they do?!? Just a thought Zorgon.  ;)

Quote from: space otter on January 10, 2016, 09:11:50 PM
you are welcome..there is so much on here I sometimes think Z should be at least 200 yrs old
bwhahahahahahahahah

This IS my 8th incarnation :P

Quote from: Smilingtree on January 10, 2016, 11:35:11 PM
I've also been thru all of these old threads but its nice to have so many things that have been said by Z to be put TOGETHER in one place at one time. I think he should write a book. Why does everyone else get to make the money and not him when many times he knows so much more than they do?!? Just a thought Zorgon.  ;)

Considering the book route  but the problem is too much information and I find it hard to put it into a simple condensed format
Maybe a ghost writer would work :D

As for the money... the charlatans get the big bucks because they know how to sell the people what they want to hear...  I can't do that  It would mess up my karma something awful :P

Take gemstones for example    Jewelers will sell you a "Smokey Topaz" for big bucks but there is no such thing as smokey topaz  What they sell is smokey quartz which is very cheap even cut as big stones

Another one that is all over Ebay is Turquoise that is actually dyed Howlite  a white stone with black viens  It is easy to recognize.

Then the new agers manufacture names for manmade or treated crystals like Aqua Aura or Angel Aura Quartz.  I could be rich :P I have seen 25 cent tumbled stones sold as "Healing Crystals" in felt bags for $9.99  No a tumbled stone is neither healling nor a crystal :P Any energy it might have would be jumbled and scattered. That is why they use PURE manmade Corundom crystals (Ruby, Sapphire) for LASERS   

Same in the UFO field   They spin stories that sound like they might be true but are not and seel the books... I suppose they don't care if they are remembered as frauds. Look at Jamie Muassan one fraud after another yet MUFON still pays him to speak...

Michael Kavanaugh on FB   Posts a picture and says "What does this represent to you"  There will be a hundred answers. He cherry picks them and says "yes" to some. Instant groupies fawning over him because he enforced what they want to believe

Its all smoke and mirrors  and I am not a stage magician :D

Well I was going to suggest a series of books so as not to condense but then I kept reading. I understand. You do have morals and for that I say "thank you"!  :)

I appreciate your knowledge and you for sharing it.

Thank

Once I get the website reshuffled I maybe can find someone good at writing :D

Will take a few month yet 

8)

At least I am getting a few ads  That helps

Going to try to increase that this year now that our numbers of viewers are up

Quote from: zorgon on January 10, 2016, 03:32:54 AM
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=103.0

Well I guess we failed that test! Idle threat I guess.

Well No UFO disclosure from Hillary

Hillary Clinton Drops Out of the 2016 Presidential Race
http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-drops-2016-presidential-race-103050046.html

odd though  It says 2012

::)

:P

That is weird...as the article is dated 7th May 2012..

Doing a search on the search engines for Hilary...

I cannot see any other articles that refer to it..
Nothing on Yahoo or Alex Jones..

I wasn't aware about this thou..

Hillary Clinton Had Bill's Mixed Race Son Banished

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm6wcj38d4E


Other info on Alex Jones on the "X Files" and on UFOs
with Ref to Drebs Thread..

"The X Files reboot and where Hollywood gets their Ideas from "

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9001.msg121074;topicseen#new


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0noOer_99w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQ_4A3_PG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDlJRX-YKKc

QuoteHillary Clinton Drops Out of the 2016 Presidential Race

That is great news!

I was just watching a Trump rally in Florida for the first time.

;D

Quote from: zorgon on January 14, 2016, 12:16:17 AM
odd though  It says 2012

That's not odd, it's from 2012.

Quote from: ArMaP on January 14, 2016, 08:56:51 AM
That's not odd, it's from 2012.

QuoteClinton — who will be 69 years old in November 2016 — seemed to be shutting down any more rumors about her future political prospects

An odd title really but I guess she decided to drop back in :-\

Quote from: ArMaP on January 14, 2016, 08:56:51 AM
That's not odd, it's from 2012.

LOL   ::) usually indicates sarcasm I know that doesn't translate to Portuguese :P

Perhave the blogger was trying to use THE SECRET to make it manifest in 2016

We can hope :P

Quote from: zorgon on January 14, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
LOL   ::) usually indicates sarcasm I know that doesn't translate to Portuguese :P

Maybe it doesn't, but I understood it. I decided to post because it looked like other people would not.

Quote from: ArMaP on January 14, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
Maybe it doesn't, but I understood it. I decided to post because it looked like other people would not.

To Post or Not to Post :P  Resist the urge :P

Meanwhile during the State of the Union Address from the Pussy Puppet   seems the Chiefs of Staffs are not to thrilled with this Joker we call President

If LOOKS could KILL...

Not sure why they haven't 'taken him out' yet

(http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/snaps-about-pbs-newshour-state-of-the-union-on-pbs-newshour_9t-1.gif)

Quote from: zorgon on January 14, 2016, 09:47:08 PM

If LOOKS could KILL...

(http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/snaps-about-pbs-newshour-state-of-the-union-on-pbs-newshour_9t-1.gif)

Great find Z.

I think the Navy wandering into Iranian waters ...such
a fail of a story. What we really dont know on that one...

Quote from: burntheships on January 15, 2016, 01:24:51 AM
Great find Z.

I think the Navy wandering into Iranian waters ...such
a fail of a story. What we really dont know on that one...

That clip was from Obama's last State of the Union address where he said we are safe now so we can cut back the military

::)

BTW Nice to see you back :D

Extraterrestrial Lobbyist Explains Hillary Clinton's Controversial UFO Statements.

(https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/etl.png?w=770&h=512)

Hillary Clinton with Laurance Rockefeller at the JY Ranch, Jackson Hole, WY, August 21, 1995. Clinton is carrying the book Are We Alone: Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life by Paul Davies. (Photo: National Archives)

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton recently made unusual comments regarding the existence of extraterrestrials during an editorial board meeting with New Hampshire's the Conway Daily Sun. "Yes, I'm going to get to the bottom of it" said Clinton when questioned on the subject by reporter Daymond Steer."I think we may have been visited already. We don't know for sure."

Clinton also indicated that her campaign chairman John Podesta had great interest in the UFO phenomenon. "He has made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out," said Clinton. "One way or another. Maybe we could have, like, a task force to go to Area 51."

Podesta, who served as Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton and advisor to President Barack Obama, has a spoken publicly about the issue in the past. "It's time to open the books on questions that have remained in the dark, on the question of government investigations of UFOs. It's time to find out what the truth really is that's out there," said Podesta during a news conference at the National Press Club in 2002. "We ought to do it, really, because it's right, because the American people, quite frankly, can handle the truth, and we ought to do it because it's the law."

To get a sense of the history behind Clinton's statements, the Observer spoke to DC-based extraterrestrial lobbyist and head of the Paradigm Research Group (PRG), Stephen Bassett, who we interviewed last September and who was recently profiled in the Washington Post.

What was your initial reaction to Hillary Clinton's remarks to the Conway Daily Sun?

Throughout 2007, PRG worked to bring the Rockefeller Initiative and the extraterrestrial presence issue into the presidential campaign. This effort failed to draw out Senator Clinton, but may have helped to generate questions asked at the October 30 Democratic primary debate in Philadelphia of Congressman Kucinich, Senator Obama, and Governor Richardson.

Eight years later, Secretary Clinton's remarks in New Hampshire represent a breakthrough moment in American political history. Twenty-three years after her husband's administration was engaged by Laurance Rockefeller to release all UFO documents in government files and grant amnesty to government witnesses, Secretary Clinton has finally spoken to the extraterrestrial presence issue.

Daymond Steer's questions marked an important milestone, but it is only the beginning of the questions that need to be asked and will be asked of Secretary Clinton and all the presidential candidates.

Is there a chance these comments were meant as a joke?

The nature of the now-institutionalized truth embargo on the extraterrestrial presence issue is such, that however serious you might be, you must smile when you speak to the subject.

Anyone with an ounce of political sense would understand that no chairman of the leading candidate (John Podesta) and no former president and spouse of that candidate (President Clinton), during a campaign that will ultimately spend as much as $2 billion dollars of donated money, is going to publicly speak to the UFO/extraterrestrial phenomena issue—that is, unless they have to. If they smile and dance a bit in the process, that is to be expected.

Were you pleased with how the media picked up the story?

The media response to the Daily Sun story has been extensive. A review of various Google search listings indicates coverage by as many as 250 foreign language venues, 200 local U.S. radio/television stations and over 100 English language venues. It is notable, however, the New York Times, Washington Post and Los Angeles Times didn't cover this story, and the Drudge Report did not link to it. PRG found this to be both remarkable and disappointing.

What is your ideal scenario for the media's approach to the truth embargo and disclosure?

Simple. More reporters, including some from top tier political media, ask Secretary Clinton direct questions about the Rockefeller Initiative and her involvement therein. She provides serious answers, hopefully without smile or smirk. This triggers more questions to President Clinton, John Podesta, Governor Bill Richardson, Secretary Leon Panetta, Mack McLarty and Webster Hubbell. These gentlemen give truthful and serious responses. This triggers another round of questions directed to the Pentagon, CIA and the U.S. Air Force along with questions to the private principals to the Rockefeller Initiative.

What about responses from other Presidential candidates?

There has been no response, which raises a most interesting question. Since 1993, the Republican Party and many conservative media venues have been well aware of the Clinton team's connection to the UFO/ET issue. Despite intense partisan hatred for the Clintons, the Republican candidates and conservative media have never used that connection to gain political advantage.

If the extraterrestrial presence issue was completely without merit, it is inconceivable this would be the case. This would lead one to conclude the very truth of the matter prevents such partisan attacks.

Do you think Hillary Clinton's history regarding the Rockefeller Initiative factored into her statement?

Of course it did. It is the primary reason she is commenting at all. The same goes for John Podesta and President Clinton.

How does Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta tie into all this?

It is PRG's view, John Podesta is the central figure in the unfolding events leading to a Disclosure event under a Democratic president. He is the only Rockefeller Initiative principal who has served President Clinton (advisor, Chief of Staff), President Obama (transition chairman, advisor) and Secretary Clinton (advisor, campaign chairman).

In 2002 and 2003 Mr. Podesta called for the release of UFO documents in government files. In 2010 he reiterated this theme in a foreword to the book UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean. He was featured in the 2011 documentary Secret Access: UFOs on the Record. In 2015 Mr. Podesta also issued provocative twitter messages well covered by national and international media.

jpetl Extraterrestrial Lobbyist Explains Hillary Clintons Controversial UFO Statements
Are there any other figures from the Clinton administration or Hillary Clinton's campaign that were involved with the Rockefeller Initiative?

PRG possesses documents confirming President Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, Webster Hubbell, the late Dr. John Gibbons and the late Congressman Steven Schiff were directly involved. PRG is also quite certain Chiefs of Staff Leon Panetta and Mack McLarty, Secretary Bill Richardson and Vice President Al Gore were aware of the Rockefeller Initiative. In addition, there were 16 private citizens involved, 12 of which are still living. 

Why has it taken so long for this issue to be brought into an election?

The government imposed truth embargo conceived between 1947 and 1953 that remains in effect to this day, although much weakened, has been very successful. The only president to have brought the issue up during his campaign was Jimmy Carter in 1976. I was the first balloted congressional candidate to speak to the issue in 2002. Dr. Joseph Buchman was the second balloted congressional candidate to do so in 2008.

There is good analogy for this. For 51 years the U.S. Government imposed an embargo on the nation of Cuba. Most Americans knew there was an island south of the Florida keys called Cuba; they just couldn't go there. Now they can. All of which is to say President Obama has one more embargo to end before he leaves office.

Would you say Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to ensure the full disclosure of extraterrestrial activity on Earth?

Yes, due to the historical connection to the issue.

In a previous interview with the Observer, you said "Barack Obama will be the Disclosure President." Do you still believe that?

Yes. The American people should not have to wait one more day for the truth embargo to end. No one knows who will be the next president or what they will do when they enter the White House. Therefore, PRG seeks the embargoes end now, meaning Barack Obama will be the Disclosure president.

What are you and your organization doing now to continue this fight for disclosure?

Not a fight—an advocacy process. One should not pick fights with nuclear powers. PRG will continue to inform the political media and the U.S Congress regarding the Rockefeller Initiative, the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure and the need for new, comprehensive congressional hearings. PRG will put particular emphasis on Secretary Clinton and the other presidential candidates. PRG is also seeking opportunities to address the subject on any and all network and cable news talk shows.


http://observer.com/2016/01/extraterrestrial-lobbyist-explains-hillary-clintons-controversial-ufo-statements/

THIS GUY  is the one behind the Hillary UFO thing

QuotePodesta, who served as Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton and advisor to President Barack Obama, has a spoken publicly about the issue in the past. "It's time to open the books on questions that have remained in the dark, on the question of government investigations of UFOs. It's time to find out what the truth really is that's out there," said Podesta during a news conference at the National Press Club in 2002. "We ought to do it, really, because it's right, because the American people, quite frankly, can handle the truth, and we ought to do it because it's the law."

National Press Clu bis a reant a hall for anyone who wants to run an event The Disclosure Group uses it a lot :P

http://www.press.org/

Clinton campaign chair: 'The American people can handle the truth' on UFOs.

There has long been an air of conspiracy surrounding theories of alien life, and the head of Hillary Clinton's campaign said Thursday it's time to do away with the secrecy.

CNN's Jake Tapper pulled aside Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, who was a guest on "The Lead," to talk aliens.
"The U.S. government could do a much better job in answering the quite legitimate questions that people have about what's going on with unidentified aerial phenomena," Podesta said.
Podesta has made his interest in the possibility of alien life and conspiratorial leanings toward Area 51 well known. During his time serving in the Obama administration, Podesta tweeted, "Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files. #thetruthisstilloutthere cc: @NYTimesDowd."

Clinton herself pledged in January to "get to the bottom" of whether rumors of U.S. contact with extraterrestrial life were true.
In regard to Area 51, Podesta echoed Clinton's call, saying, "What I've talked to the secretary about, and what she's said now in public, is that if she's elected president, when she gets into office, she'll ask for as many records as the United States federal government has to be declassified, and I think that's a commitment that she intends to keep and that I intend to hold her to."
How Nevada's UFO hunters view the 2016 race

How Nevada's UFO hunters view the 2016 race 03:18
Podesta, a former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, said the 42nd president once "asked for some information about some of these things, and in particular, some information about what was going on at Area 51."
Asked if there is evidence of alien life, Podesta said, "That's for the public to judge once they've seen all the evidence that the U.S. government has."
When it came to his own beliefs about beings from outer space, Podesta said, "There are a lot of planets out there."
And he made clear: "The American people can handle the truth."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/07/politics/john-podesta-hillary-clinton-ufo

BOOK REVIEW / SCIENCE : In Search of . . . Interplanetary Life : ARE WE ALONE? Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life, by Paul Davies

"What, exactly, would it mean for human beings to discover that they are not the only sentient beings in the universe?"

That is, suppose we beat the odds, discover other beings somewhere in the cosmos and actually exchange messages with them. "Would we be exhilarated or dismayed?" Davies asks. "Thrilled or scared? Inspired or demoralized?"

But before he gets to addressing those questions, Davies does have a fair amount to say about the underlying, threshold question--namely, what is the likelihood that such beings exist?

Davies thinks that it's quite likely, and not for the standard, statistical reason usually given in support of that view.

He has argued elsewhere--and he repeats the argument here--that life, once started, does not evolve by blind chance, as traditional Darwinism asserts.

No, he argues, the laws of physics, as applied to biology, contain a fundamental organizing principle that leads from simple to complex. It is no accident that life on Earth evolved from single-celled organisms to you and me.

"The party line for biologists is that consciousness is just an insignificant accident," he writes, "an incidental outcome of random mutational processes." If so, then "any search for conscious extraterrestrial life is almost certain to prove fruitless."

But for Davies, consciousness is an "emergent property" that is built into the laws of the universe, no less than the law of gravitation or the second law of thermodynamics. "The general trend from simple to complex, from microbes to mind, seems to me to be built into the laws of nature in a basic way," he writes.

If you grant him that much (and it's a lot to grant), then, "If consciousness is a basic phenomenon that is part of the natural outworking of the laws of the universe, then we can expect it to have emerged elsewhere."
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-07-31/news/ls-29785_1_extraterrestrial-life

maybe she knows where the missing 1300 sheep are :D I just imagined this crook with a jaw strip :D

can I render her here ?

funbox

Quote from: funbox on April 08, 2016, 10:48:31 PM
maybe she knows where the missing 1300 sheep are :D

What's the story about the 1300 sheep you keep talking about?  ???

Quote from: funbox on April 08, 2016, 10:48:31 PM
maybe she knows where the missing 1300 sheep are :D I just imagined this crook with a jaw strip :D

can I render her here ?

funbox

The sheep are dead Fun all dead :-\
;D

Quote from: ArMaP on April 08, 2016, 11:35:22 PM
What's the story about the 1300 sheep you keep talking about?  ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZscLSJifvPk

5 mins in

strangely whilst I was looking for a link I found this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZscLSJifvPk

QuoteThe frantic circling of her sheep gave Tammy Basel the first hint that something was amiss on the central Meade County ranch she operates with her husband, Dallis.

The flock was in a pasture about one-quarter mile from the ranch house that sits about three miles from the nearest road access.

Without her flock's signals, which she noticed in late August, Basel might not have discovered until it was time to gather the lambs for market a month from now that 264 of her sheep — 87 ewes and 177 lambs — had disappeared.

The remaining sheep "ran here and they ran there. Something really bad had upset them," recalled Basel, who is devoted to her flock. The ewes and lambs were so stressed that they refused to settle down no matter how hard she tried to bunch them.

"They were telling me something was wrong," Basel said Tuesday.

funbox

Quote from: Dyna on April 08, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
The sheep are dead Fun all dead :-\
;D

I fear you maybe right , I hope you are that is

funbox

Quote from: funbox on April 09, 2016, 12:06:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZscLSJifvPk

5 mins in

Thanks for that. :)

ewe watching a video ? :D
(http://i.imgur.com/isBrlWj.jpg)

maybe they've decided to hybridise the sheep instead of the human being, I suppose it makes sense, such a placid animal :D

funbox

Quote from: funbox on April 09, 2016, 12:35:56 AM
ewe watching a video ? :D

You said 5 minutes, so I jumped to the 5 minutes mark, saw a title on a newspaper site, stopped the video and searched for the text.

I only watched some 15 seconds. ;D

Quote from: ArMaP on April 09, 2016, 12:50:03 AM
You said 5 minutes, so I jumped to the 5 minutes mark, saw a title on a newspaper site, stopped the video and searched for the text.

I only watched some 15 seconds. ;D

and I guess that was from behind the Sofa, I wouldn't blame you , the mutilation phenomena leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth

it makes me sick that they've moved onto horses , beasts with such presence.. shame on them


funbox

familiar ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZtjsuawBG8

funbox

Quote from: funbox on April 09, 2016, 12:56:50 AM
and I guess that was from behind the Sofa,

No, on my chair, as usual.

QuoteI wouldn't blame you , the mutilation phenomena leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth

I don't know, I never tasted it.  :P

Quote from: funbox on April 09, 2016, 05:57:54 AM
familiar ?

funbox

Like I said dead :(
That last one almost looks like they didn't finish usually those haved areas would have holes and missing glands.
I would think it was a delicacy like coffee bean poop from a civet, Sheep eyes to bedouins and cow tongue to Mexicans, but the left side of the face only being taken in many cases is not explainable in that line of thinking.

Quote from: ArMaP on April 09, 2016, 03:28:02 PM
No, on my chair, as usual.
I don't know, I never tasted it.  :P

yes , that would be the dry of the mouth , the inability to swallow that lays unpalatable on the tongue, the poor production of corrosive enzymes reducing thorax muscle movement , make's those cold surgical slices of info hard to digest, an action that seriously reduces stomach experience, leaving one in a position of ignorance

how ironic, go remove your strapline from the pen and redo ++ from start :D

funbox

Quote from: Dyna on April 09, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
Like I said dead :(
That last one almost looks like they didn't finish usually those haved areas would have holes and missing glands.
I would think it was a delicacy like coffee bean poop from a civet, Sheep eyes to bedouins and cow tongue to Mexicans, but the left side of the face only being taken in many cases is not explainable in that line of thinking.

I doubt the kid with stick new about the left side preference stripping, im betting you would not have been so shy with that stick matey ;D

funbox

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-kean/is-there-a-ufo-coverup-a-_b_9865184.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news

THE BLOG
Is There a UFO Cover-up? A Government Insider Speaks Out
05/09/2016 06:09 pm ET | Updated May 10, 2016
Leslie Kean
Author, New York Times bestseller, 'UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record'


About six months ago, our board at UFODATA was privileged to welcome Christopher Mellon as the newest member of our team. Chris spent nearly 20 years in the federal government serving in various national security positions. For the first time, he has agreed to speak publicly about his experiences within government as they relate to UFOs

Photo courtesy Chris Mellon

It is unusual for a man of Chris's stature to speak openly about UFOs, which gives his statements great weight. His positions during the Clinton and Bush administrations involved high clearances; in fact, there are few people who have enjoyed such deep and wide-ranging access to compartmented programs in both the Defense Department (DoD) and the intelligence community. Chris is the recipient of numerous awards, including the National Reconnaissance Office Gold Medal and the Defense Intelligence Agency Director's Medal.

At DoD, Chris served on a small committee that provided oversight of all DoD special access programs, in order to eliminate potential waste and duplication. The oversight included visits to Area 51 and other sensitive facilities. He also spent over a decade on the Senate Intelligence Committee, involved in oversight of NRO, CIA, NSA and other intelligence organizations. He became the first Congressional official to review all of the NSA's compartmented programs.

I wanted to know what Chris had to say about Hillary Clinton's implications that the government may be withholding classified UFO documents. Backed by John Podesta, chairman of her campaign, Clinton has been speaking about the need to "get to the bottom of the UFO mystery." Her comments are unprecedented within a presidential campaign.

Here is my recent conversation with Chris Mellon, mainly conducted via email, edited only for clarity.

Q: When did you first become interested in UFOs?

A: I was about seven years old when I saw an old-fashioned amateur movie taken by a friend of our school principal. It showed a huge, golden disc-shaped object serenely moving through sunny, blue skies, passing through cumulous clouds in a manner that would be very hard to fake. I have no idea what became of the movie, but it filled me with wonder and awe. I read everything I could get my hands on afterwards and eventually did a research project on UFOs in college for a physics professor. I remain deeply intrigued.

Q: Did your colleagues in government know you were interested in UFOs? Were you afraid of being ridiculed?

A: It was something I didn't reveal to colleagues unless I got to know them well and we became personal friends.  Even then of course I wasn't a nut about it and I certainly was not obsessed; it was simply a subject of great curiosity. It did not come up often. I was focused like a laser on my duties 99.9 percent of the time.

Q: Hillary Clinton has been asked about UFOs during her campaign. As the former Secretary of State, would she be likely to know if there were any classified government programs involving UFOs?

A: No, I don't think so. I recall instances when White House officials sought briefings on highly compartmented DoD programs and were flatly refused.  Access to such programs is on a need to know basis. In general, nobody outside DoD, including the Secretary of State, is deemed to have a need to know. Officials like John Podesta and Secretary Clinton can easily serve for years in senior positions and be avid consumers of classified intelligence analysis but never obtain access to DoD's compartmented programs, which mostly relate to new weapons systems. Information about such programs rarely leaks because it doesn't circulate, unlike the constant stream of leaked information regarding classified intelligence activities. 


Chris (right) with former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen in 1995. Note the inscription: "The Other Man who kept all the secrets." Chris drafted the bill for Cohen that established the US Special Operations Command.

photo © Chris Mellon

Q: Do you think that if Clinton is elected we can expect to learn new information about UFOs?

A: I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD's black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.

Q: Clinton and John Podesta have been focusing on the need for de-classifying government documents. What do you think about that?

A: While a few new, previously overlooked documents might turn up (the bureaucracy is never perfect), I do not believe they would resolve the UFO issue or provide significant new insights. I can think of one lengthy UFO report that is classified only due to concerns over sources and methods. In fact, it identified a convincing conventional explanation for the pilot sightings in this particular case. There are lots of classified documents related to activities at Area 51, where high security is needed. But this is all legitimate stuff the American people would support. They have nothing to do with UFOs, to the best of my knowledge.

Q: Do you recall any incidents involving UFOs while you were in government?

A: Yes, there were a handful of incidents.  Knowing of my interest in UFOs, a breathless naval aviator called me one day to report that he was present minutes earlier when a Navy jet landed after being circled by a UFO in broad daylight. The Navy did not pursue the issue as far as I could tell. I also recall the Maui Optical Tracking Facility, which tracks satellites, recording a flight of four or five fiery UFOs traversing the night sky.  Nobody knew what to make of it. But no government official expressed the slightest interest even after the tape was featured on ABC's Nightline.  I found the utter lack of scientific curiosity due to political correctness highly frustrating.

Q: How do you think the press and public will react if Clinton is elected, makes the inquiries she promised, but comes up empty-handed?

A: I think the conspiracy theorists will be angry and unconvinced, while the general public may conclude UFOs are not a worthwhile topic. If Clinton really wants to get to the bottom of the UFO issue, I think she should officially task NORAD with collection and analysis responsibility. Simultaneously, she should assign the Office of Science and Technology Policy the job of reviewing available evidence, coordinating with other countries and providing scientific assessments and recommendations.

Q: The taboo against taking UFOs seriously is a huge problem. How can we get more government officials to change this ingrained attitude?

A: I think we have to ask ourselves a key question, and then bring it forward. "Are there UFO cases that are sufficiently well-documented to warrant a scientific investigation of the phenomenon?" In my view, the answer is yes.

The patterns in the data are too strong; the reports from credible witnesses separated widely by time and place too similar; the evidence from videos and trained military and law enforcement observers too extensive; and the independent radar data in select cases correlates too highly with visual observations to safely ignore. Finally, when someone you trust and respect, like a naval aviator, looks you in the eye and tells you he saw something truly extraordinary at close range, it's hard not to take his testimony seriously. It is arrogant, unreasonable and unwise to dismiss such reports. We should simply and impartially follow the trail wherever it leads.

Q: Which credible UFO incidents have you found particularly impressive and convincing?

A: A few stand out in my mind. In November 1989, 13 police officers and hundreds of other witnesses saw two silent triangular craft gliding over Belgium. This was the beginning of a wave of sightings there lasting well over a year. Ground and air radar data were acquired as well. The Belgian Air Force investigated the events in cooperation with a team of scientists and consulted with the U.S. and NATO countries, but could not find a conventional explanation.

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462727551-4429314-DB29NovoriginalA-thumb.jpeg)
An artist's rendition of the Belgium UFO that made repeated visits in 1989-90


(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462727932-8377390-INSERTpressConf11Jul1990-thumb.jpeg)
Colonel Wilfried De Brouwer, who later became a general, presents anomalous radar readings at a 1990 press conference during the Belgian wave

On the night of March 30, 1993, over a hundred witnesses in England, including police officers and military personnel, saw a triangular-shaped craft able to rapidly accelerate in seconds from a hovering position. The British Ministry of Defense stated that "none of the usual explanations put forward to explain UFO sightings seem applicable" and concluded that the evidence showed that "an unidentified object (or objects) of unknown origin was operating over the UK."

Similarly, multiple police officers in Southern Illinois saw an object in January 2000 that looked and behaved very similarly to the Belgian and British UFOs. In fact, the Illinois police officers' drawings of the craft are uncannily similar to the depictions of triangular craft produced by Belgian law enforcement officers a decade earlier, as well as many others since.

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462739196-8484924-004-thumb.jpeg)
A Belgian Air Force weather forecaster drew his sighting in 1990

© SOBEP archives

In 2006, pilots and airport personnel witnessed a disc-shaped object hovering over O'Hare airport for over five minutes, yet no government investigation was undertaken.

And, while most sightings have conventional explanations, I think it is stunning how many reports come in regularly to groups like MUFON, with impressive detail, including photos or videos.  I often hear from skeptics, "If UFOs are out there how come nobody ever gets a video with all the smartphones around?"  That is ignorant, it happens all the time!

Q: Some people believe the more recent sightings in cases such as those you mentioned may simply be US government tests of experimental aircraft. Is that possible?

A: I can understand why this may seem the most plausible explanation. But I can assure you, those objects did not belong to US Department of Defense. Just before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, I was contacted by the DoD Office of Congressional Affairs. They were in a tizzy because Robert Byrd, the powerful Chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, was challenging them over reports appearing in magazines such as Aviation Week and Space Technology describing an alleged super-secret US aircraft program dubbed "Aurora."

Senator Byrd would use his budget power to punish the department severely if we lied to him or withheld information. We pursued all possible options, double-checking with the appropriate officials while reminding them of the imperative of providing an accurate response. We quickly confirmed what we already knew - that while there are always things on the drawing board, there was nothing remotely resembling such aircraft being operated by the department. We had nothing with the capacity to hover and then silently accelerate at massive speeds.

Also, it is totally uncharacteristic of the US military to conduct experimental tests of new vehicles over populated areas where security would be compromised and innocent civilians placed in harms way. That's completely contrary to military DNA. Alien visitation is actually easier to believe than that level of stupidity being exhibited by the brilliant people developing new aircraft technologies for DoD.

Q: Are you certain there is no government cover-up?

A: It's impossible to prove the negative, so all I can say is that I never saw any evidence of official interest in UFOs. I'd love to believe we have a crashed saucer somewhere, but I've never seen anything remotely supportive of such incredible claims. In my experience, on those rare occasions when UFO incidents involving the government occur, they are highly inconvenient, awkward and embarrassing for the afflicted government officials who want nothing more than to put the issue behind them as quickly as possible! The military seems generally unwilling to investigate even when UFO reports come from our own military pilots or officials in high office such as Fife Symington, the former governor of Arizona.  Senior officials are so fearful of being ridiculed that they conceal any expression of interest or curiosity.

Q: Some inside sources have proposed that retrieved hardware from a UFO may exist within a private aerospace company which has become independent from the DoD.  In this way, it would be exempt from government oversight and known only to a few people. Do you think this is possible?

A: I find it hard to imagine something as explosive as recovered alien technology remaining under wraps for decades. So while I have no reason to believe there is any recovered alien technology, I will say this: If it were me, and I were trying to bury it deep, I'd take it outside government oversight entirely and place it in a compartment as a new entity within an existing defense company and manage it as what we call an "IRAD" or "Independent Research and Development Activity."

Q: So where does this all leave us, and what is to be done?

A: In my view, calling for the end to an alleged government UFO cover-up is almost certainly a dead end, and does not help inspire anyone in government to become more open to the topic. The UFO mystery is a scientific problem. A true scientist seeks and follows the data no matter how politically incorrect the facts may be. The greatest scientific breakthroughs occur when we verify information that challenges conventional wisdom. That's why I joined the board of UFODATA.

Q: I'm so glad you did. What kinds of new data are you hoping we will collect?

A: Our team of scientists and engineers are designing and will build a large network of automated surveillance stations with sophisticated sensors to capture a wide range of data. The stations will house cameras to record both an image and spectra, a magnetometer, instrumentation to detect radiation, a gravimeter, and more. They will be mobile so that we can readily deploy them to areas that become hotspots of UFO activity. We can then make the data available to the scientific community for analysis.

2016-05-08-1462732220-3487299-Hessdalen.png

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462732220-3487299-Hessdalen-thumb.png)

Q: Do you think UFOs could be visitors from civilizations elsewhere?

A: I'm certainly intrigued by the possibility. But I don't think we will find out without a deeper scientific inquiry. I would like to invite the public to participate and support this lean but potentially groundbreaking effort, staffed by volunteers. UFODATA's findings, one way or another, can help us to resolve this perennial mystery and perhaps even help us to better understand the universe and mankind's place within it.

Quote from: space otter on May 21, 2016, 04:14:34 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-kean/is-there-a-ufo-coverup-a-_b_9865184.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news

THE BLOG
Is There a UFO Cover-up? A Government Insider Speaks Out
05/09/2016 06:09 pm ET | Updated May 10, 2016
Leslie Kean
Author, New York Times bestseller, 'UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record'


About six months ago, our board at UFODATA was privileged to welcome Christopher Mellon as the newest member of our team. Chris spent nearly 20 years in the federal government serving in various national security positions. For the first time, he has agreed to speak publicly about his experiences within government as they relate to UFOs

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462727039-5361826-CKMPhoto-thumb.jpeg)

Photo courtesy Chris Mellon

It is unusual for a man of Chris's stature to speak openly about UFOs, which gives his statements great weight. His positions during the Clinton and Bush administrations involved high clearances; in fact, there are few people who have enjoyed such deep and wide-ranging access to compartmented programs in both the Defense Department (DoD) and the intelligence community. Chris is the recipient of numerous awards, including the National Reconnaissance Office Gold Medal and the Defense Intelligence Agency Director's Medal.

At DoD, Chris served on a small committee that provided oversight of all DoD special access programs, in order to eliminate potential waste and duplication. The oversight included visits to Area 51 and other sensitive facilities. He also spent over a decade on the Senate Intelligence Committee, involved in oversight of NRO, CIA, NSA and other intelligence organizations. He became the first Congressional official to review all of the NSA's compartmented programs.

I wanted to know what Chris had to say about Hillary Clinton's implications that the government may be withholding classified UFO documents. Backed by John Podesta, chairman of her campaign, Clinton has been speaking about the need to "get to the bottom of the UFO mystery." Her comments are unprecedented within a presidential campaign.

Here is my recent conversation with Chris Mellon, mainly conducted via email, edited only for clarity.

Q: When did you first become interested in UFOs?

A: I was about seven years old when I saw an old-fashioned amateur movie taken by a friend of our school principal. It showed a huge, golden disc-shaped object serenely moving through sunny, blue skies, passing through cumulous clouds in a manner that would be very hard to fake. I have no idea what became of the movie, but it filled me with wonder and awe. I read everything I could get my hands on afterwards and eventually did a research project on UFOs in college for a physics professor. I remain deeply intrigued.

Q: Did your colleagues in government know you were interested in UFOs? Were you afraid of being ridiculed?

A: It was something I didn't reveal to colleagues unless I got to know them well and we became personal friends.  Even then of course I wasn't a nut about it and I certainly was not obsessed; it was simply a subject of great curiosity. It did not come up often. I was focused like a laser on my duties 99.9 percent of the time.

Q: Hillary Clinton has been asked about UFOs during her campaign. As the former Secretary of State, would she be likely to know if there were any classified government programs involving UFOs?

A: No, I don't think so. I recall instances when White House officials sought briefings on highly compartmented DoD programs and were flatly refused.  Access to such programs is on a need to know basis. In general, nobody outside DoD, including the Secretary of State, is deemed to have a need to know. Officials like John Podesta and Secretary Clinton can easily serve for years in senior positions and be avid consumers of classified intelligence analysis but never obtain access to DoD's compartmented programs, which mostly relate to new weapons systems. Information about such programs rarely leaks because it doesn't circulate, unlike the constant stream of leaked information regarding classified intelligence activities. 

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462729057-2025640-ChrisandBill5-thumb.jpeg)

Chris (right) with former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen in 1995. Note the inscription: "The Other Man who kept all the secrets." Chris drafted the bill for Cohen that established the US Special Operations Command.

photo © Chris Mellon

Q: Do you think that if Clinton is elected we can expect to learn new information about UFOs?

A: I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD's black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.

Q: Clinton and John Podesta have been focusing on the need for de-classifying government documents. What do you think about that?

A: While a few new, previously overlooked documents might turn up (the bureaucracy is never perfect), I do not believe they would resolve the UFO issue or provide significant new insights. I can think of one lengthy UFO report that is classified only due to concerns over sources and methods. In fact, it identified a convincing conventional explanation for the pilot sightings in this particular case. There are lots of classified documents related to activities at Area 51, where high security is needed. But this is all legitimate stuff the American people would support. They have nothing to do with UFOs, to the best of my knowledge.

Q: Do you recall any incidents involving UFOs while you were in government?

A: Yes, there were a handful of incidents.  Knowing of my interest in UFOs, a breathless naval aviator called me one day to report that he was present minutes earlier when a Navy jet landed after being circled by a UFO in broad daylight. The Navy did not pursue the issue as far as I could tell. I also recall the Maui Optical Tracking Facility, which tracks satellites, recording a flight of four or five fiery UFOs traversing the night sky.  Nobody knew what to make of it. But no government official expressed the slightest interest even after the tape was featured on ABC's Nightline.  I found the utter lack of scientific curiosity due to political correctness highly frustrating.

Q: How do you think the press and public will react if Clinton is elected, makes the inquiries she promised, but comes up empty-handed?

A: I think the conspiracy theorists will be angry and unconvinced, while the general public may conclude UFOs are not a worthwhile topic. If Clinton really wants to get to the bottom of the UFO issue, I think she should officially task NORAD with collection and analysis responsibility. Simultaneously, she should assign the Office of Science and Technology Policy the job of reviewing available evidence, coordinating with other countries and providing scientific assessments and recommendations.

Q: The taboo against taking UFOs seriously is a huge problem. How can we get more government officials to change this ingrained attitude?

A: I think we have to ask ourselves a key question, and then bring it forward. "Are there UFO cases that are sufficiently well-documented to warrant a scientific investigation of the phenomenon?" In my view, the answer is yes.

The patterns in the data are too strong; the reports from credible witnesses separated widely by time and place too similar; the evidence from videos and trained military and law enforcement observers too extensive; and the independent radar data in select cases correlates too highly with visual observations to safely ignore. Finally, when someone you trust and respect, like a naval aviator, looks you in the eye and tells you he saw something truly extraordinary at close range, it's hard not to take his testimony seriously. It is arrogant, unreasonable and unwise to dismiss such reports. We should simply and impartially follow the trail wherever it leads.

Q: Which credible UFO incidents have you found particularly impressive and convincing?

A: A few stand out in my mind. In November 1989, 13 police officers and hundreds of other witnesses saw two silent triangular craft gliding over Belgium. This was the beginning of a wave of sightings there lasting well over a year. Ground and air radar data were acquired as well. The Belgian Air Force investigated the events in cooperation with a team of scientists and consulted with the U.S. and NATO countries, but could not find a conventional explanation.

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462727551-4429314-DB29NovoriginalA-thumb.jpeg)
An artist's rendition of the Belgium UFO that made repeated visits in 1989-90


(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462727932-8377390-INSERTpressConf11Jul1990-thumb.jpeg)
Colonel Wilfried De Brouwer, who later became a general, presents anomalous radar readings at a 1990 press conference during the Belgian wave

On the night of March 30, 1993, over a hundred witnesses in England, including police officers and military personnel, saw a triangular-shaped craft able to rapidly accelerate in seconds from a hovering position. The British Ministry of Defense stated that "none of the usual explanations put forward to explain UFO sightings seem applicable" and concluded that the evidence showed that "an unidentified object (or objects) of unknown origin was operating over the UK."

Similarly, multiple police officers in Southern Illinois saw an object in January 2000 that looked and behaved very similarly to the Belgian and British UFOs. In fact, the Illinois police officers' drawings of the craft are uncannily similar to the depictions of triangular craft produced by Belgian law enforcement officers a decade earlier, as well as many others since.

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462739196-8484924-004-thumb.jpeg)
A Belgian Air Force weather forecaster drew his sighting in 1990

© SOBEP archives

In 2006, pilots and airport personnel witnessed a disc-shaped object hovering over O'Hare airport for over five minutes, yet no government investigation was undertaken.

And, while most sightings have conventional explanations, I think it is stunning how many reports come in regularly to groups like MUFON, with impressive detail, including photos or videos.  I often hear from skeptics, "If UFOs are out there how come nobody ever gets a video with all the smartphones around?"  That is ignorant, it happens all the time!

Q: Some people believe the more recent sightings in cases such as those you mentioned may simply be US government tests of experimental aircraft. Is that possible?

A: I can understand why this may seem the most plausible explanation. But I can assure you, those objects did not belong to US Department of Defense. Just before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, I was contacted by the DoD Office of Congressional Affairs. They were in a tizzy because Robert Byrd, the powerful Chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, was challenging them over reports appearing in magazines such as Aviation Week and Space Technology describing an alleged super-secret US aircraft program dubbed "Aurora."

Senator Byrd would use his budget power to punish the department severely if we lied to him or withheld information. We pursued all possible options, double-checking with the appropriate officials while reminding them of the imperative of providing an accurate response. We quickly confirmed what we already knew - that while there are always things on the drawing board, there was nothing remotely resembling such aircraft being operated by the department. We had nothing with the capacity to hover and then silently accelerate at massive speeds.

Also, it is totally uncharacteristic of the US military to conduct experimental tests of new vehicles over populated areas where security would be compromised and innocent civilians placed in harms way. That's completely contrary to military DNA. Alien visitation is actually easier to believe than that level of stupidity being exhibited by the brilliant people developing new aircraft technologies for DoD.

Q: Are you certain there is no government cover-up?

A: It's impossible to prove the negative, so all I can say is that I never saw any evidence of official interest in UFOs. I'd love to believe we have a crashed saucer somewhere, but I've never seen anything remotely supportive of such incredible claims. In my experience, on those rare occasions when UFO incidents involving the government occur, they are highly inconvenient, awkward and embarrassing for the afflicted government officials who want nothing more than to put the issue behind them as quickly as possible! The military seems generally unwilling to investigate even when UFO reports come from our own military pilots or officials in high office such as Fife Symington, the former governor of Arizona.  Senior officials are so fearful of being ridiculed that they conceal any expression of interest or curiosity.

Q: Some inside sources have proposed that retrieved hardware from a UFO may exist within a private aerospace company which has become independent from the DoD.  In this way, it would be exempt from government oversight and known only to a few people. Do you think this is possible?

A: I find it hard to imagine something as explosive as recovered alien technology remaining under wraps for decades. So while I have no reason to believe there is any recovered alien technology, I will say this: If it were me, and I were trying to bury it deep, I'd take it outside government oversight entirely and place it in a compartment as a new entity within an existing defense company and manage it as what we call an "IRAD" or "Independent Research and Development Activity."

Q: So where does this all leave us, and what is to be done?

A: In my view, calling for the end to an alleged government UFO cover-up is almost certainly a dead end, and does not help inspire anyone in government to become more open to the topic. The UFO mystery is a scientific problem. A true scientist seeks and follows the data no matter how politically incorrect the facts may be. The greatest scientific breakthroughs occur when we verify information that challenges conventional wisdom. That's why I joined the board of UFODATA.

Q: I'm so glad you did. What kinds of new data are you hoping we will collect?

A: Our team of scientists and engineers are designing and will build a large network of automated surveillance stations with sophisticated sensors to capture a wide range of data. The stations will house cameras to record both an image and spectra, a magnetometer, instrumentation to detect radiation, a gravimeter, and more. They will be mobile so that we can readily deploy them to areas that become hotspots of UFO activity. We can then make the data available to the scientific community for analysis.

2016-05-08-1462732220-3487299-Hessdalen.png

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-08-1462732220-3487299-Hessdalen-thumb.png)

Q: Do you think UFOs could be visitors from civilizations elsewhere?

A: I'm certainly intrigued by the possibility. But I don't think we will find out without a deeper scientific inquiry. I would like to invite the public to participate and support this lean but potentially groundbreaking effort, staffed by volunteers. UFODATA's findings, one way or another, can help us to resolve this perennial mystery and perhaps even help us to better understand the universe and mankind's place within it.

another otter cut and paste jobbie, with no opinion. and you say I lack substance ... yawn :D

o yeah you canee see what im saying , so sorry about that

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