Hillary Clinton Pledges Area 51, , Says “We May Have Been” Visited by ET already

Started by astr0144, January 05, 2016, 01:26:54 AM

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zorgon

Quote from: astr0144 on January 07, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
I haven't as yet decided if I think Hilary was joking or was just making a statement to get publicity .or if its a deliberate planned ploy by whoever...As Maybe News / media  headlines may vary on that ..

The "Whoever" that is driving this is John Podesta   I suggest you google him

Grant Cameron of Dark Thirty Radio is pushing Hillary's UFO bid to all the UFO believers he reaches

QuoteI do think if there was some conspiracy, that it could be made out that Hilary could seem to look into Area 51 . She / (they whoever)  may somehow be able to stage something to make out that she would be doing so...and then to tell the World what she claims to have discovered..

Oh come on now  No other president has EVER gotten close save a couple and they will never talk.  A friend of mine had access to Cheyenne Mt same time as a Senator was on an inspection tour  The senator was PISSED and made a scene because he was only allowed access to certain levels  My friend was going 5 levels lower :P

QuoteTo me if there is a general system in place between the US Gov / CIA and what ever corporations maybe involved in Secret research.. I see no reason WHY they could not make out that Hilary gets Clearance...to then offer her some further media attention..

yeah just like Bill said  "I had my guys check out Area 51  there are no aliens just some secret airplanes"

QuoteThe Idea that there are those higher up than the likes of the President.. is that really reality..if they are all connected in say the Elites being in Charge and control..She or whoever is just part of that set..

Look use common sense  (or watch the TV show Westwing :P )  A president gets 4 years maybe 8 years... but for the government to run efficiently for the long term there has to be a staff that runs things  THIS IS WHY presidents are 'read in' to office. The reading in is where they are told how things work  and what they can and cannot do  When a new president is put in office its like "Oh damn here we go again... need to break in the new guy"

QuoteAs to whats going on Worldwide with all the upset and Uncertainty that seems to be going on..as a Priority to be more concerned about Verses UFOs / ET...

UFO's and Aliens are heading more into woo woo land than ever before With the ease of making fake images videos and even UFO making phone apps its just becoming a mess  Guy like Jamie Muassan proven hoaxer yet MUFON still pays him to speak  WTF?

And hope of real info is almost impossible  A51 has a cool video  It's great for us that know... but the fickle public wants to see the good stuff (which is all fake :P )


QuoteIn the UK.. its been extremely mild and strong winds but we have had many large areas of severe flooding...

You ain't seen nothing yet Have you seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow?  I recommend it

QuoteI do Question is this being Manipulated..

By whom? Not Hillary or Obama :P they don't have the power


QuoteMaybe some of the election candidates can use these to offer their ploy to help solve such issues..

The only ploy is to get your vote. Which politician has EVER kept their pre election promise? When will the people realise it will NEVER happen? Yawl keep falling for it over and over again expecting different results  That is the definition of insanity

zorgon

Quote from: A51Watcher on January 08, 2016, 03:00:50 AM
There is no evidence that George is involved in anything nefarious. I asked Z for specifics on George knowing anything about Corbell's activities.

I thought this thread was about Hillary?  I merely pointed out I don't agree with George for promoting this Witch to the UFO community He is listened to  If people think he supports this crap from Hillary they will be swayed 

As far as Corbell goes that was a private message. What I confirmed was that I had no evidence to support what I know because the conversation about that was already gone at facebook and I did not have a copy of it That is why I did it via PRIVATE message and not in a thread.  Since Corbell was blocked from using Johns account at FB and was blocked on John's computer we have no more access to him directly

Sure I should have saved all the files from the posts  but we didn't  That is why I didn't make a post about it> I told you also that Dan was involved in that convo with George  in fact Dan was the one who spent the most time on that  But again I wasn't going to put it out in the thread

I will also remove these posts shortly as they have nothing to do with Hillary and this UFO vote bid farce

QuoteHe confirmed to me that there is ZERO evidence to support this claim made by Sarge, which is no surprise since Sarge has demonstrated his ignorance about the case on more than one occasion,  which also surprised Z.

Sgt was there with me at Johns house when the whole Corbell affair started Sgt myself and Dan fought this out on FB until Corbell blocked us and we had his access to John Lears FB account cut off

So in this case I have no idea why you are stirring this pot as nothing was posted in any thread  Seems no one around here understand the purpose of private messages

Perhaps I should shut close the place down and go back to the website only

QuoteI invited him to ask John about the case and his response was 'he doesn't believe everything John says'.

I also don't believe everything John says  but I have known him long enough to know when he is in fact mode and when he is in story telling mode. Even John doesn't believe everything he says... and has changed his position on many things like that soul catcher on the moon

QuoteSo in the end there is ZERO evidence to discredit Bob OR George, despite what ignoramuses would have you believe.

NO one even mentioned Bob and no one is discrediting George  I just do not agree with his motive in the Hillary deal and the Corbell deal is still out with the jury which is why I only mentioned it in PM

astr0144

When it comes to who is who in the hierarchy in either the USA or World power...be it a secret society.. Skull and Bones or what ever..

I do not know the details...I suspect few really do..

As an eg ..Is it like the Masons with various levels...or is that just what we are led to believe ?

I wonder what would a 33rd degree Mason Know over their associates ? that would be that much of a greater issue if say all Masons were aware that ETs existed or had their connections with us and Earth..   

I say that as overall they would ALL know generally what the situations would be... It would not be any great secret...and any higher level issues would just be to do with certain decision making..

but generally ALL know whats going on..  This is the eg that I am referring or comparing to with those who are in Power..or control on our Planet now..

there doesn't need to be any secret that Hilary or who ever is a Electoral candidate as to if they no about Area 51 / ETs etc.

But All I was suggesting was if these persons are all in or connected to it ... they could stage many a situation..

When I say ALL.. I just mean those selected in say a
Fraction of those we may envision at the Top.. that maybe 1000 to 100,000 or a Million persons world wide...I don't know what that number maybe.. just taking a guess...
..

The way I see it is the Clinton's are a big part and maybe do the play roll on their behalf.. We have no idea what they may really know.. or whether they could really get to know the highest level of knowledge on say Area 51.. or ET stuff...Bill could decide to say anything !  ???

They don't have to tell us the truth.. they can play roll it to the masses in any way they like..

It may not be just a few  people at the top.. it maybe a Organisation that gels together and each who play the part are aware in reality of what goes on..

They maybe sworn to secrecy and know what the consequences would be if they spilled the beans..

Having said that, I am sure that there maybe certain things that really do have to be kept secret to a select few and that could not be risked to be given to too many persons...  that being that the less people know about it the less chance of it being exposed..

BUT the chances are ALL those in power will / would be aware if there really are ETs and UFOs involved in the control or connection of this world..

I don't see that as being that big an issue to them... not once you have the sort of knowledge that we now discuss on this forum.

The Votes mean little if its already part of a act...as its already determined in advance who's going to be elected next after Obama...or they don't really care..

They just change the situation as it arises..

Hilary , Donald Trump etc  may just be putting on the outer show..

What if ETs are in control...with the likes of Area 51 and even the so called secret Elite...But overall want to remain elusive and out of sight..

Chances are, we already have weapons and technology that is so powerful , it wont matter who has what.. be it the USA or Russia / China...and that maybe on Human Technology terms..

IF its ETs technology.. then its who the ETs are who maybe the issue...which of those may have the most power... Not that it may make much difference to us Humans as I am sure they could destroy anything if they wanted to...

It does seem however.. that No Matter what weapon power we have.... the Controllers want to control us more and more...maybe leading to no matter how Slight...if they do aim to chip everyone and can monitor every function we do or thought we have..

(Could that really happen ?)   How may we envision such possibilities  ? Would we seem alive with any free will or never knowing when we get controlled...(Would or could we do anything about it ? ) if once such a thing was put in place..

It maybe we would not know until it occurred and they later decide to switch their system on as such.. if thats a SCI FI idea that may become potential reality..

and that does seem a real threat for us the average People..

Hitlers ideals being taken to the next stage.. and just how bloody far is it going to go ???   :o >:(  Human or ET control ?

Maybe going a bit too deep on that suggestion..! :) but if they are here... I wouldn't count it out..

Id prefer to hope if they are here its just as a stop of point.. like the theory behind the Tall Whites and that they are not here for any sort of power or control of our World or Races..

With ALL the Issues of ET and UFO stuff now easily available to all thru the Internet..(at least in the 1st World).and being given so much about them in the media and on the movies and TV..

The World now only has to get over what would happen if we were told ETs are here in reality...

It maybe a Shock and Have some huge initial impacts... depending HOW they went about exposing it...(.they could drip feed it in various ways..) but Maybe NOT as much a shock as we may envision now that the world is partially aware of what sort of things we may come to expect...ie we have been partially mind controlled to it already IMO...on quite a big scale..

If it was 100 years ago.. with non of the Modern Electronic technology..the situation would be completely different...They would hardly have ANY idea what it would be about..and it would be quite a shock..and maybe little way to get the religious to accept it..


zorgon

Quote from: astr0144 on January 08, 2016, 09:41:50 AM
As an eg ..Is it like the Masons with various levels...or is that just what we are led to believe ?

Most of what you hear about Masons is what the internet thinks about Masons :P  Most masons are simply a club of businessmen that help each other out in jobs and business and get together at the lodge for some rituals that they don't even know the origins of.

QuoteI wonder what would a 33rd degree Mason Know over their associates ? that would be that much of a greater issue if say all Masons were aware that ETs existed or had their connections with us and Earth.. 

An Ancient Egyptian Spirit once told us on a forum (yes he was real :P )  His name was Aken Nan Yah  At first it was a little difficult understaning him as he wrote in a very weird dialect of ancinet Egyptian :P But Matt gott through and he picked up english later

aken_nan_yah wrote:
Rahubaat ila ent
Ent atha fi aum_mir_re_ka
atha ent tamarean shil har
aneya tamarean
aneya wabaat shil asaru
tawuhaat,
ba temb ta mean universal soular illumination my english is not good me and my friends were trying on forum intersting, you know i am ancient egiptian


That was his first attempt It was in reply to something we were looking at at the time :D  Nevermind if you believe it or not... but later on he said this

aken_nan_yah wrote:
what they did to the masons (MY sons) was not write out of 360 degrees of knowledge they only gave them 33 degrees



Do you understand the implication? :D

The item we were discussing was this



QuoteI say that as overall they would ALL know generally what the situations would be... It would not be any great secret...and any higher level issues would just be to do with certain decision making..

Only at the higher levels do you get the knowledge The lower levels you only get the basics The same way compartmentalization works in the Military  Need to know basis only

Quotebut generally ALL know whats going on..  This is the eg that I am referring or comparing to with those who are in Power..or control on our Planet now..

ALL only THINK they know what is going on and will stick to that belief until someone smacks them on the head with reality :D

Quotethere doesn't need to be any secret that Hilary or who ever is a Electoral candidate as to if they no about Area 51 / ETs etc.

Why do you think ANY politician needs to know what is going on at Area 51?  Do they talk about it? Do they need to know to do what ever it is they do?  or is it only certain groups in the Military that need to know?

If YOU were president  and were told we have anti gravity flying saucers with beam weapons... would you not want to use them and finish up that war in a flash?

QuoteBut All I was suggesting was if these persons are all in or connected to it ... they could stage many a situation..

Secrets are impossible to keep if every one knows them :P  The fewer that know, the easier it is to keep hidden If what you say is the case  we would alreadt have disclosure That is just common sense

QuoteWhen I say ALL.. I just mean those selected in say a
Fraction of those we may envision at the Top.. that maybe 1000 to 100,000 or a Million persons world wide...I don't know what that number maybe.. just taking a guess...

Probably closer to 20 that know everything :P

QuoteThe way I see it is the Clinton's are a big part and maybe do the play roll on their behalf.. We have no idea what they may really know.. or whether they could really get to know the highest level of knowledge on say Area 51.. or ET stuff...Bill could decide to say anything !  ???

The Clintons are puppets that have no need to know. Very few presidents have ever been on that list Eisenhower was one Bush Senoir and Reagan... I am unsure if there are any others  Nothing I have seen in 40 years brings up any other name  Jimmy Carter says they wouldn't tell him and he asked directly and even reported one that he saw himself.

Carter had approached Bush and stated, "I want to have the information that we have on UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence. I want to know about this as President."

George Bush, according to Smith said, "no...that he wasn't going to give this to him...that this was information that existed on a need to know basis only. Simple curiosity on the part of the President wasn't adequate."

This Carter-Bush UFO question, referred to by Smith, was probably asked during the first 45 minutes of a multi hour briefing on November 19, 1976. This is the only time that Bush and Carter met while Carter was President-elect. Bush was replaced as DCI, once Carter became President, so there was never a meeting between the two after Carter entered the White House.

The 45 minute segment of the briefing given to the President-elect, was described by the CIA as a briefing on certain "exotic weapons and very closely held items relating to sources and methods."


QuoteBUT the chances are ALL those in power will / would be aware if there really are ETs and UFOs involved in the control or connection of this world..

Unless the truth is that there are no ET's visiting on a regular basis and that the 50's was the hay day :P So when current people in office say "We are not aware of ANY connections with ETS and our staff" they may just be telling the truth

Area 51 is run by the NAVY   HAARP is run by the NAVY   The secret space program is run by the NAVY  The Challenger disaster enquiry was run by the NAVY  The presidents honor guard is MARINES  The top gun pilots are NAVY   Clementine Sateliite that took the best moon photos was a NAVY ship

So why would ETs be messing with ordinary politicians?  Stop looking to the government for disclosure  They don't know anything :P  Eisenhower warned us  Reagan gave the Alien speech and was responsible for Star Wars  Clementine was a Star Wars mission  The NAZI rocket scientists worked for the ARMY SMDC (Space and Missile Defence Command) who have been on Kwajalien Atoll since 1954  BEFORE NASA and are still there and its called Ronals Reagan Test Site  Reagan is dead.  Bush Senoir won't be here long  Maybe we can get a death bed confession from him :P


Now regarding those 33 Degrees and the Celtic Cross  THIS is what Aken Nan Yah said was "ba temb ta" meaning Universal solar illumination



There is another way to symbolize that cross



aken_nan_yah wrote:
The rosycrusions use the celestial cross for protection via invisibility and to leed them into soul illumination thus conferming ba Temb Ta


Now you have been shown a few keys :D  A circle is 360 degrees Full knowledge - universal solar illumination - ra the sun god - enlihghtenment

Masons only get 33 Degrees :D

Eighthman

I'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.

As for the structure of secrecy throughout government, it's pretty simple. If you go too far, they kill your dog, your mom, your wife or.....you. In addition, there is the time honored "making your bones" principle - you commit a heinous crime as observed by your fellow conspirators.  I believe that molesting and murdering children plays a big part in gluing together the elite in Britain. Once you're in, you can never leave.

Throw in some blackmail from NSA spying and we can understand why EU leaders are servile vassals of the US. More encryption and more public acceptance of being gay may help to break down this coercion.

space otter


QuoteI'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.


of course magic works
it's only considered 'magic' because you/anyone  don't know or understand how it works or what is really happening

many have tried but very few have been able to wield their own power..we just don't hold onto this body form long enough anymore to be really good at it


astr0144

Lots of interesting feedback / comments..and info to ponder on further..that may take a while to respond to for now..

But this one... I have to ask about !  :)

why do you suggest hes a Egyptian Spirit ? and not just someone on the forum with set knowledge of the subject ?

Was this on the prior open mind forum ?

Not sure who Matt is !




QuoteAn Ancient Egyptian Spirit once told us on a forum (yes he was real :P )  His name was Aken Nan Yah  At first it was a little difficult understaning him as he wrote in a very weird dialect of ancinet Egyptian :P But Matt gott through and he picked up english later

Is this the same as the  Rosicrucianism

is it also some sort of Occult Society ? with Egyptian connection..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism

Quoteaken_nan_yah wrote:
The rosycrusions use the celestial cross for protection via invisibility and to leed them into soul illumination thus conferming ba Temb Ta

astr0144

This maybe an eg of the secret 20...as similar to that from the "X Files"...

where the Elders or Shadow Govt Syndicate hold their secret meetings  :D

William Davis and John Neville & Don Wiliams played such characters and really looked the part IMO..

This tells what some of the Characters in the Syndicate were..
and who played the higher levels. For what its worth if one is
interested in such things ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_X-Files_characters#Well-Manicured_Man



QuoteMysterious men comprising a shadow element within the U.S. government, known as "The Syndicate", are the major villains in the series; late in the series it is revealed that The Syndicate acts as the only liaison between mankind and a group of extraterrestrials that intends to destroy the human species. They are usually represented by The Smoking Man (William B. Davis), a ruthless killer, masterful politician, negotiator and the series' principal antagonist.[17]

I thought that John Neville really looked like the type of Character one would expect in the Shadow Govt...Sadly he passed away in 2011.. :(



William Davis the Smoking man..also played a great part and had the right look about his Character..

Chris Carter or who ever seemed to select Great Characters for the X Files series..All Great Actors..

or visit the "X Files" Storage area down long corridor's    :P

Would that be at the Pentagon ?


































The Secret Meeting Offices in London U.K..




Eighthman

Interesting that Hollywood has come out with popular films or TV shows that pull some of the veil away.  You have the Avengers/Marvel talking about a civil war in the US and you have Blacklist which regularly fights against "The Cabal" connected with an evil CIA.

As to magic and its reality, I would like something better than 'it works but I can't demonstrate it".  If the TM experiments with mass meditation are valid, we might be more powerful than we think.  The father-son team that tried to study prayer objectively years ago got pounded with hate mail and both committed suicide. Very spooky. Is there someone above us that blocks exposure?

astr0144

Hope "Z" or someone can give you an answer to your Magic Question..

Some things I really do wonder about like Black Magic and Voodo or Curses...As well is some magic reality..even what we see on TV...

Much has been exposed , and we get shown how its done... but somethings seem to defy explanation...

My only experience was believing that I once was under a curse..After taking an Occult book from a place that used to meet at a old Church that I occasionally visited...At time I did not know what it was.... but after some bad luck incidents over some weeks..Much more than normal...Was it a Coincidence , I don't know...I investigated further to find it was connected to the Occult.. and it was something to do with the Rosicrucianism and had some things within the book to do with Egypt...


QuoteI'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.

Yes there has been a fair amount suggested about many disturbing things within the Govt or certain select groups...

Are some rituals that have been continued from some of the past where they would do such acts...

QuoteAs for the structure of secrecy throughout government, it's pretty simple. If you go too far, they kill your dog, your mom, your wife or.....you. In addition, there is the time honored "making your bones" principle - you commit a heinous crime as observed by your fellow conspirators.  I believe that molesting and murdering children plays a big part in gluing together the elite in Britain. Once you're in, you can never leave.

That may well be truth...and is no doubt terrifying as to what could be happening or occur and i suspect similar things could happen to anyone if your unlucky to get caught in such positions or within certain groups or you are targeted...

Its hard to believe what Power some of these groups could have over anyone...

QuoteThrow in some blackmail from NSA spying and we can understand why EU leaders are servile vassals of the US. More encryption and more public acceptance of being gay may help to break down this coercion.

astr0144

With the likes of the "X Files" ..and if E.T is here... It may make One  wonder is it been done to show somethings that maybe connected to it...

or what we see in other Sci Fi Movies etc may have something based upon reality..


QuoteInteresting that Hollywood has come out with popular films or TV shows that pull some of the veil away.  You have the Avengers/Marvel talking about a civil war in the US and you have Blacklist which regularly fights against "The Cabal" connected with an evil CIA.

Interesting thoughts..

I think that's a very good possibility.. that we may have a lot more to us than we are presently conscious about..

Or if we have been created thru the likes of E.Ts.. that we have hidden powers....but then again... why are we not fully aware of them or taught them....

Most may seem uncertain..

or maybe the system does not want to inform us of our real potential..

QuoteAs to magic and its reality, I would like something better than 'it works but I can't demonstrate it".  If the TM experiments with mass meditation are valid, we might be more powerful than we think.  The father-son team that tried to study prayer objectively years ago got pounded with hate mail and both committed suicide.

Very spooky. Is there someone above us that blocks exposure?

Dyna

I find the story of John Dee interesting and others who were clearly genius and looked beyond what we now consider the only norms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
When the debate is lost,
slander becomes the tool of the loser.
Socrates

zorgon

Quote from: Eighthman on January 08, 2016, 01:24:43 PM
I'm curious.  What is being said here? It looks like an assertion that some sort of magic "works".  Has anyone ever pinned down such a thing?  I've had some strange experiences but nothing that could be exploited for practical value.

"Magic" is a word usually used by those that do not understand a science :D Arthur C Clarke wrote THREE LAWS

Clarke's First Law:
"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

Clarke's Second Law:
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."

Clarke's Third Law:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Einstein Said:

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

and

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."


Matthew 17:20 Jesus says quite clearly:

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. "

Religion says "He meant that figuratively to mean you must have faith"
But NO he didn't because

Matthew 21:
18
     When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry.
19
    Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again." And immediately the fig tree withered.
20
    When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, "How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?"
21
    17 Jesus said to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.

So he meant it LITERALLY :P

Yoda Says:

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Luke:

"I can't believe it."

Yoda:

"That is why you fail."


So you can call it "Magic"  or "Secret Knowledge"  or "Mind over Matter" (quantum physics)  We have mostly lost the art... even Tibetan Masters are saying they only know half of what their ancestors knew

Why? Because religious and politican persecution has KILLED of the old masters  out of fear of their "Magic"

zorgon

Quote from: Eighthman on January 08, 2016, 01:24:43 PM
As for the structure of secrecy throughout government, it's pretty simple. If you go too far, they kill your dog, your mom, your wife or.....you.

Very true. It was quite common in the early days of UFO research CIA agents infiltrated EVERY UFO group and as far as I know are still there today. For insiders spilling the beans they usually left you alive after killing your dog your wife your kids so you will know the error of your ways.  Sudden death by cancer was a favorite  hard to trace  a needle injected between the toes hard to spot...

Wernher von Braun and Ben Rich (Skunkworks) both died of cancer 3 months after retirement

Car accidents are another good one.  How do you have a fatal crash on a dirt road with no one around? :P

QuoteIn addition, there is the time honored "making your bones" principle - you commit a heinous crime as observed by your fellow conspirators.  I believe that molesting and murdering children plays a big part in gluing together the elite in Britain. Once you're in, you can never leave.

The CIA is know as "The Company"  You never retire. Hollywood has shown us this concept many many times in spy movies. There is only one way to quit :D  They do have retirement resorts for old Spooks...  Noriega was held at one... who knows Osama bin Laden may be there too


QuoteThrow in some blackmail from NSA spying and we can understand why EU leaders are servile vassals of the US. More encryption and more public acceptance of being gay may help to break down this coercion.

One of the things that really got me with the Obama birth certificate mess... the CIA etc can create an entire history with documents good enough to pass any inspection in any country. All spys have multiple identities stored in safe boxes in case they need to make a hasty exit...

So WHY did the CIA not just make Obama a birth certificate and add it to the records? They do it for undercover cops. WHY did we have such a hard time getting that document?

Death were easier in the old days of spying  then they went to the discrediting and ruining you so no one would believe you. Seems they may be returning to that death option again these days

zorgon

Quote from: space otter on January 08, 2016, 02:12:43 PM
of course magic works
it's only considered 'magic' because you/anyone  don't know or understand how it works or what is really happening

Clarke's Third Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."


::)

Quotemany have tried but very few have been able to wield their own power..we just don't hold onto this body form long enough anymore to be really good at it

"Do or do not! There is no try" ~ Yoda

The problem today is a shortage of Masters that can teach and the internet has so much information from the old Mystery Schools available that anyone can look up

The problem with having all that knowledge available is people will try things and then get into trouble. Lets compare it to brain surgery. You can find all kinds of medical texts on brain surgery... but does that mean you should say "Ah I get it!!" and start operating? 

Same way with the esoteric sciences. You need basic training from a teacher.  You cannot just pick up a book and start You have no idea what you are doing. Trial and error does work to a point but if you don't learn how to protect yourself you can get in trouble very quickly and there is no one to help you back

Take chemistry for example. Sure go read a book mix up some stuff and blow up your garage :P  Wouldn't it be smarter to at least have some basic training in chemistry so you know what to expect?

People are pissed of at Secret Societies for withholding knowledge  People are pissed of at Governments witholding Secrets  So should the government then hand out the knowledge to make atomic bombs to everyone?

It is true that such knowledge IS in fact available.. both the atomic stuff and the esoteric stuff. Fortunately most people are not smart enough to figure it out. :P

But I knew a fellow that gazed too long into a crystal ball and lost his mind  literally. He 'fell in' as it were and did not get instruction on how to pull out before hand  There is an old saying "Only fools rush in where Angels fear to tread"

Is there a Dark Side? You bet  Aliester Crowley was a Rosicrucian that went to the dark side.  The Wiccan Rede reads;

"An it harm none do what ye will"

This means you are free to do what you want SO LONG AS IT HARMS NO ONE ELSE   Crowley changed it to read;

"Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"


Now when it comes to Secret Societies there are those on the side of Light and those that work for the Dark Side. The very term "Illuminati" means Illuminated One or enlightened. Yet today that word has been vilified to mean Evil  Lucifer was the Bringer of Light... the Christian made him into Satan

Prometheus brought FIRE to mankind to keep warm and cook his food. For that the "gods" punnished him for eternity

The Serpent (Reptilian :P ) in tthat Garden gave mankind KNOWLEDGE The 'gods' were pissed and tossed man out of the garden

Genesis 3:22
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"


Too bad Eve didn't take that other fruit first :P

So which side is the REAL Dark Side?  Look at the world today  The Christian Jews and Muslims are amping up their 2000 year old hatreds.. yet all three worship the same god. More deaths have happend in the name of god and by god then can be attributed to the devil

But you can't say that are you will be called a racist and a satan worshipper. A woman in Afghanistan was just killed by an angry mob for burning a copy of the Qur'an Turns out she didn't but they pronounced he innocent TWO DAYS after her death...

So the Secret Socities that work for the Dark Side are in control, like they were when they put Hitler into power. But Hitler was removed in time and after that we had many decades of peace an prosperty  Even in Iran women wore bikinis.

Then the Pendulum swung back

Luke asked Yoda "Is the Dark Side stronger"
Yoda: "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive."
Luke: "But how am I to know the good side from the bad?"
Yoda: You will know...

The Dark Side does NOT have absolute control If they did we would not be talking about it on the internet.

However there is a danger. The internet is a powerful tool for bending minds

You have heard me talk about THE SECRET  The Law of Attraction. Basically this is the power of mind over matter "Believe and ye shall receive"  The Christians say it "Ask[prayer] and Ye Shall Receive"  Jesus said it: "Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive."

Now consider this..

IF this is indeed true  that you can manifest reality by mere thought... what happens if you can sway 1000 people to believe what you WANT them to?

This is very easy to do... look at cults, look at religion, look at politics. People, the vast majority, need a leader... they cannot think forthemselves. It is thuse easy to control them and direct them to think for YOU  So all that energy is directed in a way YOU choose

This is how the Evil Cabal rule... and the internet is a tool that can mold peoples minds It is easier to make people share evil dark thoughts than to have them focus on good

Sure you have the New Age Light Workers  but most of those are really in Lalaland and are not very effective. But the vast majority of those posting on FB etc are sharing the EVIL those giving it LIFE and POWER

Ignoring it doesn't make it go away :P Promoting the Light does help. Make the Pendulum swing back