Tourists Family Arrested by Cammo Dudes for Driving Through Main Entrance of Area 51 - FindingUFO...
I believe there was a full version of this video but its been taken down.
I don't think that Ive seen a video of the cammeo dudes drawing out there guns before at Area 51.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knjkewz0DyQ
So they look like North Koreans :P Lucky they din't get shot
Idiots :P People like teasing those Camo dudes but they can't even get to the forny gate :P
The back gate is easier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUZqVSZU7GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUZqVSZU7GU
Quote from: zorgon on March 13, 2016, 09:11:19 PM
So they look like North Koreans :P Lucky they din't get shot
I am also surprised that they were not shot. I was under the impression that Groom's security were permanently authorised to use lethal force. While the area has sufficient emotional significance that I might hypothetically want to visit it from a respectful distance, deliberately antagonising the site's armed personnel would not be on my itinerary.
I am trying to work out what was shown in the video.
From what I seem to recall... from the 375 highway..you have to go down Groom Lake Road for about 13 miles to reach that entrance where the Warning stop signs are.
When you get there...the main road if you call it a road (or trial).. continues and bears to the left and maybe starts going downwards to continue to Area 51.
Where the Cammos are perched is on another short trial to the right of the main road...and is above higher up so they can have a good vantage spot.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SF3Z2OVEroI/maxresdefault.jpg)
watch this video from 4 mins 20 secs to 5 mins...this shows the stop signs and later the trail just after the signs that is on the right and goes up to where the cammo dudes perch..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF3Z2OVEroI
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xajbgyg0l1M/maxresdefault.jpg)
Where the stop signs are... I think the side track or trail is just after the stop sign...behind that point..but there is also a track that they maybe able to come down or go back up to on the other legal side of the stop sign... where the tourist are allowed.
I posted a video of that a week or two ago that shows it.(but cannot find it at the moment).but it may or may not have been suitable for a vehicle..but it showed a person walk up towards the height of where the cammo vehicle is.
this shows something similar and you should be able to watch this and understand what I have described in relation to it..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ0PC3c84Cg
I am NOT sure if that is just the side track or trail that the tourist have taken that just goes up to where the Cammo dudes were parked up above. .They probably have only broke thru the sign for a very short distance and then tried to turn right and go up the track to where the cammos where parked rather than breaking thru the stop sign to try to continue to Area 51.
I can understand that it could easily happen as maybe they thought they were doing no harm, and maybe they were trying to drive up to the dudes and maybe wanting to ask them a question.. as when you get to that stop sign... all you think is ...Is that all there is after travelling all that way ! :-\ and maybe they want to ask the cammos what else may there be around here .. :)
If someone was in an emergency situation ..say your child was sick..and you saw a Cammo vehicle on the other side of the stop sign.. would one break thru the stop sign and drive to them to ask for help ? I am sure many would have no problem risking it ..
The person filming that seems to have focused more close up to watch the tourists and cammos and does not really show a wider angle of the surrounding area.
Im not surprised they didnt get shot. Lethal force would be a last resort, especially if theyre 20 miles out like the video says. The people in the video are complying so why shoot them
how many went there? :D
how would they react if 2 million people arrived there at the same time ... have they enough bullets to take them all..
how many people would it take to take the base ?
certainly not three :D
funbox
It can be quite intimidating when you travel down Groom Lake Rd to the Warning / Stop sign area.
When I visited a few years ago..I had three Cammo dude trucks approach or pass me when I was only about 3/4s the way there...and it did make you wonder if one should carry on if this is the sort of treatment that one gets just on the way down..
They come up behind you FAST... and create a whole lot of dust when they pass you... then they come towards you with other vehicles..
It did make me stop..and I thought do I continue..
But then you think, I have come all this way...am I really going to turn around... So I continued on !
When you arrive its interesting to see.. but nothing great ...
Its annoying that you cannot see further towards Area 51 where the road bends towards it..It would be great if you could have seen Groom Lake in the distance. but the hillsides block all that off.
How many Cammos are about, I suspect only a few..but if there was ever a problem.. they could have helicopters arrive in no time..and later back up from more cammos..
Whether or not at one time they may have shot you for passing that sign.. I suspect it would depend on how severe or how fast you attempted to drive on..
Today they don't have the Deadly Force signs up as far as I am aware. But I am sure they would at least pull a weapon on you if you break any rules...and arrest you... and would shoot to kill if you resisted..
But I think Police do that anyway in most parts of the USA if you resists them even in normal city areas..
They KNOW well in advance how many persons maybe approaching even probably on or along the 375 Highway and certainly by the Start of Groom Lake Road ..
If they became aware 200 vehicles or more were approaching... they would probably have an Army that could arrive as backup..if they wanted..
Quote from: astr0144 on March 14, 2016, 02:11:13 PM
It can be quite intimidating when you travel down Groom Lake Rd to the Warning / Stop sign area.
When I visited a few years ago..I had three Cammo dude trucks approach or pass me when I was only about 3/4s the way there...and it did make you wonder if one should carry on if this is the sort of treatment that one gets just on the way down..
They come up behind you FAST... and create a whole lot of dust when they pass you... then they come towards you with other vehicles..
It did make me stop..and I thought do I continue..
But then you think, I have come all this way...am I really going to turn around... So I continued on !
When you arrive its interesting to see.. but nothing great ...
Its annoying that you cannot see further towards Area 51 where the road bends towards it..It would be great if you could have seen Groom Lake in the distance. but the hillsides block all that off.
How many Cammos are about, I suspect only a few..but if there was ever a problem.. they could have helicopters arrive in no time..and later back up from more cammos..
Whether or not at one time they may have shot you for passing that sign.. I suspect it would depend on how severe or how fast you attempted to drive on..
Today they don't have the Deadly Force signs up as far as I am aware. But I am sure they would at least pull a weapon on you if you break any rules...and arrest you... and would shoot to kill if you resisted..
But I think Police do that anyway in most parts of the USA if you resits them even in normal city areas..
interested in going gain ? me you and 1999998 friends , pyramid scheme it like, just for irony's sake
im sure a couple of mill could make a difference on weather we get to see the base, its insides, and any relative technologies they maybe hiding for the benefit of all mankind :D
is it more is there just too much detail on google earth these days, they've even put the internal bases road names in :D
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zo5-hn0GEN4k.k2qmMJ3bTdG4&hl=en_US
at some point ill put a 2 million people on google maps sats ,overlaid on the outskirts of the base , just to see what that would look like :D
funbox
If you or someone was to well organizes it... then some may be interested.. :)
But beware they maybe monitoring well in advance...
That's why the Spooks are on all the related forums and Websites..
I decided to remove some of the content on this post and move it to a private area of the forum.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 14, 2016, 02:50:39 PM
If you or someone organizes it... then one may be interested.. :)
But beware they maybe monitoring well in advance...
That's why the Spooks are on all the related forums and Websites..
I decided to remove some of the content on this post and move it to a private area of the forum.
how about twenty-four hours after the next big terrorist event where more than 1000 people die on America soil, say around 24 hrs after the last soul rises
ironically i'm looking a papoose now , amazing how the satellite footage shows an almost bleeched out soil , so unlike the photos you've displayed
funbox
Hope you can see the post that I made to where I moved the J.F photos.
Im not sure.. IF there was another 9/11 type event security maybe higher than ever..even at Area 51.
with ref to Papoose...John Lear used to claim that the google map images etc are altered...or the real view of it is covered up..
Quite a few of us have spent many an hour looking at the views of it trying to figure it out in the past..
If it is really there.. what would we really see I wonder, or is it not really there is the question ? and its just a radiated old desert dried up lake bed.
Quotehow about twenty-four hours after the next big terrorist event where more than 1000 people die on America soil, say around 24 hrs after the last soul rises
ironically i'm looking a papoose now , amazing how the satellite footage shows an almost bleeched out soil , so unlike the photos you've displayed
Quote from: funbox on March 14, 2016, 02:34:16 PM
interested in going gain ? me you and 1999998 friends , pyramid scheme it like, just for irony's sake
im sure a couple of mill could make a difference on weather we get to see the base, its insides, and any relative technologies they maybe hiding for the benefit of all mankind :D
is it more is there just too much detail on google earth these days, they've even put the internal bases road names in :D
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zo5-hn0GEN4k.k2qmMJ3bTdG4&hl=en_US
at some point ill put a 2 million people on google maps sats ,overlaid on the outskirts of the base , just to see what that would look like :D
funbox
Its probably the only way we'll ever see disclosure, through a fed up "we the people" in an armed takeover. Occupy area51 or the pentagon or lockheed martin
Quote from: zorgon on March 13, 2016, 09:11:19 PM
So they look like North Koreans :P Lucky they din't get shot
Idiots :P People like teasing those Camo dudes but they can't even get to the forny gate :P
imho anybody that goes out there during the day is just plain not using any common sense.
What do you think would happen if you went to ANY military base in the US and stood outside the fence with a camera and started taking pictures?
So what makes it ok at Area 51? "Oh I heard there were aliens there and I just wanted to get a few pictures."
Is that what your gonna say in court to the judge answering to espionage charges?
::)
Since you took pictures of the signs saying 'Photograghy Is Prohibited' any excuse is pretty useless at that point.
So... just a word to the wise - make no mistake, by 'visiting' there you are in fact committing espionage, no if's and' or but's.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 14, 2016, 03:21:38 PM
Quite a few of us have spent many an hour looking at the views of it trying to figure it out in the past..
If it is really there.. what would we really see I wonder, or is it not really there is the question ? and its just a radiated old desert dried up lake bed.
it looks badly bleeched out, contrast is all over the place on google maps , that's if it isn't an overlay of fake terrain of course
QuoteIf it is really there.. what would we really see I wonder, or is it not really there is the question ? and its just a radiated old desert dried up lake bed.
probably an alien theme park complex/ open to visitors from other worlds etc, ill bet they overcharge too
QuoteIm not sure.. IF there was another 9/11 type event security maybe higher than ever..even at Area 51
you reckon 3 million to be on the safe side then ?
funbox
Quote from: Payton on March 14, 2016, 03:24:43 PM
Its probably the only way we'll ever see disclosure, through a fed up "we the people" in an armed takeover. Occupy area51 or the pentagon or lockheed martin
that's if "we the people" can draw their attention from the black/white/race/politics/self ego interest, consumerism that will eventually consume/and all the other fickle nonsense
familys welcome too , bring the kids! , they'd love to see a spaceship.. and who would shoot them if we gave them a kitten each :D
funbox
Quote from: astr0144 on March 14, 2016, 03:21:38 PM
If it is really there.. what would we really see I wonder, or is it not really there is the question ? and its just a radiated old desert dried up lake bed.
So riddle me this -
If it is not really there and just a radiated old desert dried up lake bed, why does it need stadium lighting on test nights?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLCqcfE2yQ
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLCqcfE2yQ (http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLCqcfE2yQ)
And why do the gravity propulsion craft being tested return to the S4 facility via a huge McDonalds golden arch path trajectory from the desert floor directly over to the stadium lighting glow on the horizon at Papoose mountain?
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 14, 2016, 09:13:24 PM
And why do the gravity propulsion craft being tested return to the S4 facility via a huge McDonalds golden arch path trajectory from the desert floor directly to the stadium lighting glow on the horizon at Papoose mountain?
:D *irritating whistling made by a semi cheeseburger choked mfb* because they're lovin it ?
funbox
Quote from: funbox on March 14, 2016, 09:20:21 PM
:D *irritating whistling made by a semi cheeseburger choked mfb* because they're lovin it ?
funbox
wonder if they cook their cheeseburgers over a nice low anti matter reaction flame.
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 14, 2016, 09:26:40 PM
wonder if they cook their cheeseburgers over a nice low anti matter reaction flame.
I dunno , just as long as they don't try to eat one whole like this guy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-35490011
there must be some tutting and exaggerated, choked laughing, wherever his adventurous essence lies
funbox
Quote from: funbox on March 14, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
you reckon 3 million to be on the safe side then ?
wouldn't work no infrastructure in the area to support anywhere near that number No water, no toilets, desert heat
So its been 25 years since Bob showed us the tests..
How long they need to test these things before we can deploy the fleet?
::)
Quote from: zorgon on March 14, 2016, 10:15:33 PM
So its been 25 years since Bob showed us the tests..
How long they need to test these things before we can deploy the fleet?
::)
About the same amount of time it would take a tribe of apes to back engineer a hand grenade. :P
Quote from: zorgon on March 14, 2016, 10:09:34 PM
wouldn't work no infrastructure in the area to support anywhere near that number No water, no toilets, desert heat
I'm sure people wouldn't mind resorting to cannibalism given the cause, maybe an extra mill to eat, should cover it , siege warfare etc etc
funbox
As I have never seen the test flights..I can only relate to yours and Bobs & his associates experiences.
I have however seen the area at both the day and night..
so I have a very good idea what it maybe like.
I did witness what I initially had thought was a Mother Ship raising above the mountain range towards Area 51..
But I was later informed it was more likely Flares...But the effects were still amazing to see and before I got to know that the experience to me was like seeing the real thing..
Seeing a very bright light in a very dark sky ..rise up at a guess a 100 ft above the mountain ridge and just hover there.. and then very slowly descend back below the horizon and see the light fade out.
Now I am certain that was at Area 51 Groom Lake and NOT from Papoose...
I cannot really envision what you suggest in what you say you have witnessed being able to tell where the craft may have gone to once it went over the initial mountain ridge facing Area 51..
To get to Papoose it would then have to either go South and later turn right (West) and either gone around the South end of Papoose and then headed back North once at the Lake bed.. or fly over or around North of the ridge between Groom Lake and Papoose Lake..
They say NO one at Area 51 ever new about S4 or the Saucer flights...So Unless they flew the Saucers around to avoid Groom lake / Area 51 to the other side of the mountains towards the 375 highway... I don't really understand..
They may have come down from the South of Tikaboo valley.. between the Mountain ridge East of A51 /Groom Lake and the 375 HW or on level with it as the Tikaboo Mountain range. By doing that they could avoid detection from any Area 51 Staff should any be outside the facility..
That's the only way I could see them do it , unless they flew a lot higher or cloaked and went right over the top of Papoose ridge to Papoose Lake bed.
You could see some glowing light towards the South West if I recall.. that may have been more in the direction of Papoose which is South to South west of the Groom Lake Road or Black mail box area..
But I am not sure if that may have been from Pahrump that is quite another large city that is maybe about 80 miles west of Las Vegas.. you can see a glow above the horizon in that direction.
maybe something like this but perhaps not as much glow.
(http://archive.wired.com/images/article/magazine/1705/ff_mysteryspots35_f.jpg)
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/misc/mt_charles_de_tikcamp_oct2011.jpg)
There is quite a difference between that type of glow and what you would see if you were looking even at Area 51 from Tikaboo at night.. The Glow from the effects of the lighting at Groom Lake is certainly different than that from a main city like Las Vegas or Pahrump that maybe 80 to 100 miles away..
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/a51pan/oct2011/groom_lake_737_night_landing.jpg)
Although another similarity maybe twilight or before and after the Sun rises or sets...depending upon the timing of it to get similar effects as city light glow.
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/misc/tbird_lake_de_tikcamp_oct2011.jpg)
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/lowlight/groom_2149.jpg)
I would think any lighting at Papoose Lake could NOT be detected from the Groom Lake Rd or HW 375 area...
QuoteAnd why do the gravity propulsion craft being tested return to the S4 facility via a huge McDonalds golden arch path trajectory from the desert floor directly over to the stadium lighting glow on the horizon at Papoose mountain?
This is a picture of the most persons that I have seen at the Area 51 entrance where the warning signs are Funbox !
QuoteThe month: June (the 6th month of the year)
The day: 6th
The hour: 6AM
Is it the second coming? Wait, it's 6AM on 6/6/2000. 666! Is it the revelation of the anti-Christ (Bill Gates? Dr. Gene Scott?) No, it's the People's Rally held at the front gate of Area 51. This photo is of the masses (OK, maybe 30 people) heading towards the warning signs at the border of the military base that the government denies exists.
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/peoples2000/crowd2.jpg)
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/peoples2000/crowd1.jpg)
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/peoples2000/dust.jpg)
Quote from: funbox on March 14, 2016, 08:55:35 PM
that's if "we the people" can draw their attention from the black/white/race/politics/self ego interest, consumerism that will eventually consume/and all the other fickle nonsense
familys welcome too , bring the kids! , they'd love to see a spaceship.. and who would shoot them if we gave them a kitten each :D
funbox
QuoteThis is a picture of the most persons that I have seen at the Area 51 entrance where the warning signs are Funbox ! ]
they look relatively kitted , so realistically what do we need for such a mind bending axe wound to reality as sieging area 51 ?
as Zorgon said , its an arid environ , so groups would have to bring fully laden *fire engines ..good for water and battering down fences etc. others , lorry's laden with food . a backpack with essentials should be had by all, coupled with a will to change the future, .
I guess the migration would be followed by the media , once that happens , how many more will jump on the bandwagon..?
funbox
Quote from: astr0144 on March 15, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
I cannot really envision what you suggest in what you say you have witnessed being able to tell where the craft may have gone to once it went over the initial mountain ridge facing Area 51..
Pretty simple actually, as you saw in the video there were 2 glows on the horizon, the craft flew to the smaller one on the left.
To get to Papoose it would then have to either go South and later turn right (West) and either gone around the South end of Papoose and then headed back North once at the Lake bed.. or fly over or around North of the ridge between Groom Lake and Papoose Lake..
They say NO one at Area 51 ever new about S4 or the Saucer flights...So Unless they flew the Saucers around to avoid Groom lake / Area 51 to the other side of the mountains towards the 375 highway... I don't really understand..
They may have come down from the South of Tikaboo valley.. between the Mountain ridge East of A51 /Groom Lake and the 375 HW or on level with it as the Tikaboo Mountain range. By doing that they could avoid detection from any Area 51 Staff should any be outside the facility..
That's the only way I could see them do it , unless they flew a lot higher or cloaked and went right over the top of Papoose ridge to Papoose Lake bed.
There was no attempt to hide on the return flight to the base. As I said it was a huge McDonalds arch from the desert floor back to the glow at papoose. anybody outdoors at Groom could have easily seen it.
You could see some glowing light towards the South West if I recall.. that may have been more in the direction of Papoose which is South to South west of the Groom Lake Road or Black mail box area..
But I am not sure if that may have been from Pahrump that is quite another large city that is maybe about 80 miles west of Las Vegas.. you can see a glow above the horizon in that direction.
maybe something like this but perhaps not as much glow.
It was quite easy to tell which glow was coming from where. Way off to the left was the huge glow from Las Vegas.Way off to the right where Rachel was there was no glow.
Dead center was the big glow from Groom lake, and off to the left of that was the smaller glow from S4. Which by the way turned off a few minutes after the craft had returned to base. The glow from Groom lake stayed on.
In the dark of night it is quite easy to see horizon glows and determine where they are coming from.
I would think any lighting at Papoose Lake could NOT be detected from the Groom Lake Rd or HW 375 area...
Apparently they have enough stadium lighting that it was quite easy to see the glow from HWY 375, and using the mountain ridge line as a reference quite easy to pinpoint it's source.
The spacing between the glows was exactly as you see depicted in the google earth map.
Quote from: funbox on March 15, 2016, 06:41:28 PM
they look relatively kitted , so realistically what do we need for such a mind bending axe wound to reality as sieging area 51 ?
as Zorgon said , its an arid environ , so groups would have to bring fully laden *fire engines ..good for water and battering down fences etc. others , lorry's laden with food . a backpack with essentials should be had by all, coupled with a will to change the future, .
I guess the migration would be followed by the media , once that happens , how many more will jump on the bandwagon..?
funbox
And what will the masses find there? New stealth technology aircraft at Groom Lake? Empty offices at S4?
Most will be sorely disappointed when they find no trace of aliens or spaceships there.
It is no secret that they moved the alien stuff in 1993.
There have been zero sightings and amazing film taken there since 1993.
To where it was moved is still conjecture for most.
Breaking in to Area 51 itself would be a big waste of time.
Those people walking down the road towards the signs are obviously not up on current events either.
QuoteBreaking in to Area 51 itself would be a big waste of time.
are you going to tell the kids holding kittens ?
what a disappointment for them
im sure an event such as four million people turning up , would go down in the annuals of history
where was you the day groom lake got swamped ? :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on March 16, 2016, 03:33:59 AM
where was you the day groom lake got swamped ? :D
funbox
At Dugway? ;)
The question I have been asking for years is where the hell was you back in the early 90's when you could watch flying saucers from public land?
That would be very interesting A51 if yiu suggest that you witnessed the lights go off after the Saucers returned.
I agree with most of your description...But I am not sure about if you also should have been able to make out any lighting at Pahrump.. When I was at Area 51 between 2007 and 2011, I would say that you could see lighting glow effect from the GL Rd area..
But back in 1993 it may not have been that obvious , as I think its a relatively new grown city, mainly growing between 1980 onwards to be of much to consider worthwhile for its lighting glow effect at night.
Las Vegas Populations have grown to over 2 million as of 2013 ,where as Pahrumps was only 2000 to 36,000 between 1980 to 2010. Yet Pahrump today is quite a well large spread out area and I suspect today would well stand out at night glow effect wise.
When you suggest that you was aware that the lighting at S4 was quite noticable from the 375 HW, that does surprise me. I would have still thought that they would still try to make it less obvious.
I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.
Had you asked Bob about with regards to S4s stadium Lighting ?I created a map of between Rachel and Pahrump / Las Vegas..and made a point from roughly where you would have been between HW 375 and Area 51 on Groom Lake Rd about half way down.. I was able to draw a line that almost goes thru Papoose to the western part of Pahrump. SO it was quite close to being aligned to it...but the mid part of Pahrump was more to Papooses left or more South East of it.
I am surprised also that the Craft just did a Mc Donalds arch to return back to S4.. ???
QuoteSince the late 1970s, Pahrump has grown almost exponentially, increasing from about 2,000 residents in 1980 to 36,000 in 2010. Pahrump is an archetypal example of an exurb. Almost all significant agriculture has ceased in the valley[2] and the surface aquifers have been filled up over the years. Pahrump has also attracted a number of notable residents, including paranormal talk radio host Art Bell, and Michael Jackson, who purchased a home in the area in 2008, where he briefly had a home studio and home schooled his three children.[3]
Quotet was quite easy to tell which glow was coming from where. Way off to the left was the huge glow from Las Vegas.Way off to the right where Rachel was there was no glow.
Dead center was the big glow from Groom lake, and off to the left of that was the smaller glow from S4. Which by the way turned off a few minutes after the craft had returned to base. The glow from Groom lake stayed on.
In the dark of night it is quite easy to see horizon glows and determine where they are coming from.
I would think any lighting at Papoose Lake could NOT be detected from the Groom Lake Rd or HW 375 area...
Quote
Apparently they have enough stadium lighting that it was quite easy to see the glow from HWY 375, and using the mountain ridge line as a reference quite easy to pinpoint it's source.
The spacing between the glows was exactly as you see depicted in the google earth map.
QuoteThere was no attempt to hide on the return flight to the base. As I said it was a huge McDonalds arch from the desert floor back to the glow at papoose. anybody outdoors at Groom could have easily seen it.
was you the one that filmed this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqeCt-0fiEQ
QuoteThe question I have been asking for years is where the hell was you back in the early 90's when you could watch flying saucers from public land?
I was busy with other things.
funbox
Interesting find Funbox if its legit !
several object flying around at the same time...but what are they I wonder ?
I don't think they are the Saucers witnessed by A51 at Area 51.
This was claimed to be filmed at Dugway at night.. Are they the same object in the video you posted I wonder ? seen in May last year. Although the objects seem to mostly stay close together there seems one point where there are 4 lined up. at around the 1 min 27 mark. One brighter light then the other 3..so is it something that is just connected to each other.
Not really very well filmed as the cameras shaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoFUCoS72s
A couple of videos that shows Dugway area in a bit of detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8-TX3sv8pY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMBTzcSkasg
Another UFO Hunters video. It only shows a couple of distant lights and is mainly about trying to photo thru out a night session.
It does however show what seems a good location they have found to observe after they had initially done a recon of the area..
The surrounding area does look much larger than that around Area 51. I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GUe39EuwFs
It seems Dugway is only about 80 miles away from Salt lake City.
No further than Area 51 is from Las Vegas..
But does it get the same amount of visitor's ? who are searching for UFOs I wonder ? Doubtful but Maybe its getting a few more.
Quote from: funbox on March 16, 2016, 11:24:44 AM
was you the one that filmed this ?
Nope not me
I was busy with other things.
Yep that's what everybody replies
Quote from: astr0144 on March 16, 2016, 06:38:39 AM
When you suggest that you was aware that the lighting at S4 was quite noticable from the 375 HW, that does surprise me. I would have still thought that they would still try to make it less obvious.
I think you seeing the glow was a much lower priority than you seeing the craft.
I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.
Actually the mountain ridge line was the perfect tool to determine where the craft came from and where the glows came from.
Since I was in fear for my life and full of adrenaline the experience was etched into memory perfectly.
Afterwards studying maps and photos confirmed what I saw and where it occurred on the ridge line was exactly the locations I suspected.
Had you asked Bob about with regards to S4s stadium Lighting ?
No.
I would think any lighting at Papoose Lake could NOT be detected from the Groom Lake Rd or HW 375 area...
Incorrect assumption. Note that the 2 locations are not really that far from each other in relation to HWY 375.
(http://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/area-51-map.jpg?w=408&h=543)
Now of course one would expect S4's lighting to be smaller and dimmer than Groom Lake's, and that is exactly how it appeared.
Both glows appeared on the ridge line exactly where they should have, as indicated by maps of the area.
No other conclusion can be drawn.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 16, 2016, 06:38:39 AM
That would be very interesting A51 if yiu suggest that you witnessed the lights go off after the Saucers returned.
Yes. Sorry if the text is hard to read in that video but that is exactly what I stated in that video regarding the glows.
I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.
Instead of covering the glow, the edges of the mountain ridges were sharply defined by the glow coming from behind them. They were much more defined and precise than they would have been if it was all dark.
Perhaps the stadium lights were like a lighthouse beacon for disoriented pilots of the craft.
(http://photosofarkansas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Stars-and-moonlight-over-Area-51.jpg)
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Thanks for confirming the details A51.. So you had included that in one of your videos about the Lighting glow...Was that in the one you posted on this thread ? Ill have to watch it again if so...
When you say the saucers returned to S4 and the lights or Glow effect went out once they returned..Did you see that then..As I was not sure if you had said that you had been observing them..but later had to speed off when being chased. (or maybe you lost the cammos and returned back later elsewhere).so I was not sure if you had got to see all the Saucers return back to S4.
you said there were 3 Saucers.. Did they all return about the same time would you say ? or separately..
Or had they come and gone back a time or two at some stage..
You only observed this on one occasion..(1 Night) but had visited the day before to check it out in day time.
When they flew back as you suggest...How quickly would you say it took them from them seeming to disappear out of your sight to the lights at S4 going off ? you had said how fast they could move...but did they just take a slower flight back ?
Also what time would you estimate this occurred ? I have forgot some of the details as its been a while since I was last looking at the video..or thread ..Was it sometime between 8.30 pm to after midnight..I seem to recall maybe you were still observing the craft to after mid night.
QuoteYes. Sorry if the text is hard to read in that video but that is exactly what I stated in that video regarding the glows.
I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.
I think that I know what you mean..Maybe the ridges appear darker on the horizon and any light above stands out more even against a dark sky.QuoteInstead of covering the glow, the edges of the mountain ridges were sharply defined by the glow coming from behind them. They were much more defined and precise than they would have been if it was all dark.
Perhaps the stadium lights were like a lighthouse beacon for disoriented pilots of the craft.
I managed to obtain a full version of the Tourists Family Arrested by Cammo Dudes at Area 51 Driving Thru Main Entrance.
Have not watched it all as yet in full detail, just clips and it seems quite well filmed in its own way...It shows his journey with his son.and where they went and stayed on their trip..at Rachel in the Little Ale-Inn and even shows what the acomodation is like there..which I have never seen shown before....Good to be able to see it for those who consider a visit and overnight stay..and it does make ref to Bob Lazar talking in the background..
I cannot believe that a Judge ordered to take down the Black Mailbox ! as Tourists were harassing the postman. ???
Id say he has thought it out very cleverly in some ways.
...but I noted that There is a very short clip at 8 mins 30 that shows a map like you posted A51..and it sounds like Bob Lazar..saying that the at one time the Russians were involved...That he was paid by the Dept of Navel Intelligence..Must have been from one of his videos..but I don't recall him referring to the Russians in videos that I watched or maybe I just did not note it..
when you see the Tourist head towards the cammos and stop and get out of the car..you see the cammos also get out of their truck.. one of the cammos seems to shout " That Way " and points back to the way they came..as if they may not have done anything IF the tourists had just got back in their vehicle and drove back..
but as they did NOT respond quick enough.. later the cammos ordered what I think was the driver to walk backwards up towards them..
what would they think if they found that the driver did not understand English and if he was Korean ?
Do they bring in an interpreter ? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHDAWLrNPMU&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: funbox on March 17, 2016, 11:46:10 AM
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I could name double that, that said oh sure I want to go when I was planning the trip, but when it came time to pack up they suddenly had other stuff to do.
One guy who really was gonna go, was reading my latest UFO magazine while we were packing.
He was reading an article about some folks who had just visited the perimeter of Area 51 and had their tire shot out by a security dude on foot on one of the outcrops.
Cammo dudes drove by them a short time later and shouted out 'Having car problems?' and laughed as they drove by.
At that point I heard 'TIRE shot out??' from my friend followed by 'No WAY I'm goin out there!!'
So I continued packing and headed out on my own.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 17, 2016, 03:02:34 PM
Thanks for confirming the details A51.. So you had included that in one of your videos about the Lighting glow...Was that in the one you posted on this thread ? Ill have to watch it again if so...
Yup that's the one.
When you say the saucers returned to S4 and the lights or Glow effect went out once they returned..Did you see that then..As I was not sure if you had said that you had been observing them..but later had to speed off when being chased. (or maybe you lost the cammos and returned back later elsewhere).so I was not sure if you had got to see all the Saucers return back to S4.
Yes I got to see all 3 return, and within 2 minutes tops, the glow from S4 went dark.
you said there were 3 Saucers.. Did they all return about the same time would you say ? or separately..
Or had they come and gone back a time or two at some stage..
They tried to return all at the same time, but the third one was having engine trouble. The first 2 headed back without him. He glowed very brightly like the other 2 did but could not attain lift. So he powered it down to very dim mode and waited a few minutes and tried again. He failed again the 2nd time (must have flooded it! ;D ), and finally the 3rd time got lift and returned to S4 in the same manner as the first two.
After his return, the the glow from S4 went out within 2 minutes.
You only observed this on one occasion..(1 Night) but had visited the day before to check it out in day time.
When they flew back as you suggest...How quickly would you say it took them from them seeming to disappear out of your sight to the lights at S4 going off ? you had said how fast they could move...but did they just take a slower flight back ?
From take off to landing on the other side the entire arch appeared to be about 6 seconds. 3 seconds to the top of the arch (about a mile up) the another 3 seconds down the other side.
Also what time would you estimate this occurred ? I have forgot some of the details as its been a while since I was last looking at the video..or thread ..Was it sometime between 8.30 pm to after midnight..I seem to recall maybe you were still observing the craft to after mid night.
It was after midnight.
I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.
I think that I know what you mean..Maybe the ridges appear darker on the horizon and any light above stands out more even against a dark sky.
Well yeah out in the dark desert putting a light behind anything makes it's outline appear very clearly.
When you observed this back in the early 1990s was it 93 ?
You said the Saucer Craft had landed between the main mountain ridge you see and the 375 highway..part way down GL Rd to the left side (Amendment after reply..I did mean to say the right) if I recall.
I was initially under the impression that you had suggested it was only 2 miles back to S4 from when you observed it at its landed location . but maybe I misinterpreted or mis understood what you said.
either way, If so, would it not be much more than 2 miles to get back to S4 base ... as they had to fly over Groom lake and to the other side of Papoose mountain ?
I would have thought that was maybe more like over 10 miles..
When you say it took 1 min to get to its peak..about a mile high..in 3 seconds and 3 more seconds to descend.
To get back down to landing at S4 from its peak height 1 mile up , in 3 seconds would seem incredible... :o
If I recall upto 1995 you could observe from Freedom Ridge or White Sides which I believe were very good vantage points to see Area 51 before they prevented public access to it.... Had you considered trying to get to this location at all ?
I am trying to think how far away from there you or the landed Saucers may had been.
QuoteFrom take off to landing on the other side the entire arch appeared to be about 6 seconds. 3 seconds to the top of the arch (about a mile) the another 3 seconds down the other side.
QuoteYes I got to see all 3 return, and within 2 minutes tops, the glow from S4 went dark.
you said there were 3 Saucers.. Did they all return about the same time would you say ? or separately..
Or had they come and gone back a time or two at some stage..
They tried to return all at the same time, but the third one was having engine trouble. The first 2 headed back without him. He glowed very brightly like the other 2 did but could not attain lift. So he powered it down to very dim mode and waited a few minutes and tried again. He failed again the 2nd time (must have flooded it! ;D ), and finally the 3rd time got lift and returned to S4 in the same manner as the first two.
After his return, the the glow from S4 went out within 2 minutes.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 20, 2016, 03:08:30 AM
When you observed this back in the early 1990s was it 93 ?
1991
You said the Saucer Craft had landed between the main mountain ridge you see and the 375 highway..part way down GL Rd to the left side if I recall.
Location of Vegas glow -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/fnlTriangle01.jpg)
Location of Groom and S4 glow in relation to Vegas -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/fnlTriangle03.jpg)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/fnlTriangle02.jpg)
No the landing was to the right of mailbox road about half way from the central test point and HWY 375 -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/location/Image96d.png)
If I recall upto 1995 you could observe from Freedom Ridge or White Sides which I believe were very good vantage points to see Area 51 before they prevented public access to it.... Had you considered trying to get to this location at all ?
Sure I had considered a lot of options ahead of time.
Thanks for posting those images..I note it was 1991. ???
With ref to what I estimate your and the Saucers location.. For the Saucers to fly back to S4... looking at a map with a scale..I would estimate that maybe about 25 kms... maybe 15 miles.
QuoteI was initially under the impression that you had suggested it was only 2 miles back to S4 from when you observed it at its landed location . but maybe I misinterpreted or mis understood what you had said.
Either way, If so, would it not be much more than 2 miles to get back to S4 base ... as they had to fly over Groom lake and to the other side of Papoose mountain ? I would have thought that was maybe more like over 10 miles..
When you say it took 1 min to get to its peak..about a mile high..in 3 seconds and 3 more seconds to descend to S4.
To get back down to landing at S4 from its peak height 1 mile up , in 3 seconds would seem incredible... :o....Flying at several thousand miles an hour would explain it ..
:P
NTS and Yucca , Groom and Papoose Lakes
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Quote from: A51Watcher on March 20, 2016, 02:10:02 AM
I could name double that, that said oh sure I want to go when I was planning the trip, but when it came time to pack up they suddenly had other stuff to do.
One guy who really was gonna go, was reading my latest UFO magazine while we were packing.
He was reading an article about some folks who had just visited the perimeter of Area 51 and had their tire shot out by a security dude on foot on one of the outcrops.
Cammo dudes drove by them a short time later and shouted out 'Having car problems?' and laughed as they drove by.
At that point I heard 'TIRE shot out??' from my friend followed by 'No WAY I'm goin out there!!'
So I continued packing and headed out on my own.
24 let downs , shame on you I think , haven't you ever heard of blackmail ?:D
no , in the nineties I was busy with higher education, but I did have an eye on the field so to speak..
a shot out wheel doesn't sound too scary, I would have changed the wheel and continued at the safe speed for driving on a spare, no ... we're going to need 6 million with some spunk in them, cowardice isn't going to move mountains :D
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