Pegasus Research Consortium

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160629/1042189100/poll-trump-putin-merkel-hillary.html

I have been expecting a plunge in global confidence in the US as a necessary step towards Disclosure. I will continue to pursue this hypothesis until events prove otherwise : the US is the obstacle preventing Disclosure - above all others.  At the same time,  Putin/China and the BRICS appear to be ascending in influence - the nations most favorable to Disclosure.  Perhaps this is my 'pareidolia'........perhaps not.

Disclosure is a pipe dream. It's just not going to happen. I believe that this reality is not the 'real' world that actually exists. Hence 'they' will only reveal what is necessary to their ends.

what kind of disclosure do you want. i think boyd bushman was pretty clear. as far as the tech, its all disclosed on peggy already.

I mean Disclosure as in a world leader holds a press conference and announces the existence of ET's - and religion and politics radically change after that.  It could even be the US President, if that gets triggered after a loss in US influence and control (so as to avoid mischief-making).

I can recall arguing that Russia/China was due for replacing the US in the near future, together with their Eurasian allies and being treated like I was nuts (on a different site). Today, that conclusion seems more obvious than ever. Not only is the US headed for political turmoil but I believe the US military is going to fall apart in the next seven years.  I can elaborate as to why.

Human history has gone wildly off track after 9/11. We had "Startrek", manned space flight from NASA, deepening civil rights, and a sense of justly being the 'world's policeman'.  All that has gone 'off the rails'.  We were heading towards Maturity as a sentient species and a bunch of Neo Cons wrecked it all.

If you like Biblical analogies, we have been found 'weighed in the balances and found wanting'. A new administration of earth is needed ......and on its way, I think.

imo
the human species is disintegrating into tribes.. 
the "you're not like me so you are bad/wrong/not to be trusted/to be illuminated mentality is becoming more and more prevalent
any disclosure on et's would be met by shooting them...so why would they want to  'arrive' in such a time frame?

NOT GONNA HAPPEN

think about it
if they are smart (or more advanced) they would prevent that from happening

as far as religion and politics changing.. it's already happening.. religion is more polarized and politics are going to dictatorships..
sadly for you and your dislike of the usa – it's still the best and free-ist in the bunch
might I suggest that you try living  elsewhere and see how far you get with trashing the place you live in
so I ask..what are you doing to make the usa and the world a better place..beside posting on forums  I mean
that is not meant as a jab but a polite inquiry

cause it's 'US" or no one to make the changes needed..if you are waiting for super heros from another place to show up
i think you will be  sadly just left waiting

It is NOT about ET's arriving as heroes.  It IS about maturity as a species.  Many of you are familiar with rumors about Solar Warden, Neil Armstrong and Eisenhower - which all have in common the thought that we are being watched - and limited- as a violent planet that is getting high technology and is irresponsible about using it. This applies to nuclear weapons in particular. 

As to the sad state of our country, there was a time when we could proudly look at rebuilding Europe and reshaping Japan as a democracy. Now, the policy is just wreckage of nations such as Libya, Syria, and so on.  The greatest threat to the US is that the media has been so successful in getting Americans to be blind to their own corruption.  It has been the habit for many years for Congress to pass bills without reading them ( such as Obamacare).   The police are now legally allowed to steal money - particularly from tourists ( a warning fact reported by CBC in Canada about civil forfeiture). The US puts a greater % of its citizens in prison than any nation on earth.

you are not seeing the big picture. the planet is one giant socialized system. its not capitalism like most think. its about keeping the masses minds busy to hold back the mob.
so then the next issue is apophis and its sisters. thats whats coming and you cant nuke titanium bullets the size of football fields. and theres a bunch of them headed for us. not just one. its a 3600 year cycle and the great flood was the last time it happened. the great pyramid was the first haarp tool and was used to create an ice age. this ice shield protected us and then melted to flood the earth. this is whats coming and the govs of the world are trying to balance out now with whats coming in 20 years.

if you want your wish on disclosure then fund my caduceus experiment, because it will bust the world religions wide open.
you want a super hero, well im it and in your face. a minor funding of a few hundred dollars and i will grant your wish.
the guys on pegasus know im not full of it and it really is within your grasp. i just got job and my caduceus should be done within just a few months. im putting the finishing touches on it now.
if you dont know of what i speak of. check out pegasus first experiment.

hey Robo
it's great to hear you sounding so well...makes me smile

hugs

...............................

Eigthman

if you know all of this..what are you doing to change it to what you want?

i'm curious..cause mostly you are preachin to the choir as to what is wrong in the world
just sayin

Shoot me a link so I know what the heck you're talking about.   Investigating free energy is a big thing with me.

tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/22/robomonts-ufo-motor-notepad?page=13

this is my current location, starts out boring but cranks up fast, please read all 15 pages or you will miss some things.

i started it here on pegasus, so i also update that thread occasionally,. its called "pegasus first experiment". use search bar above to find it.
its been an experiment and learning process at same time. so it has speculation that turns to facts as experiment goes on.
it shows more than just the machine. it shows other side discoveries like living alien hybrids and history being redefined.

once the motor is operational, local news will pick it up and then it will go national, then world wide. it will have to because it cant be held back. it will go viral on the net, there is no doubt, this will then stimulate conversation on the side factors like aliens and religion, in a compound effect. it will shatter the gold market and bump the price of mercury. it will start a new industry in air craft and hiring across the nation. thats why its so important to finish. it will be a reset if my theory is correct. what you are hoping for.

Quote from: space otter on June 30, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
hey Robo
it's great to hear you sounding so well...makes me smile

hugs

...............................

Eigthman

if you know all of this..what are you doing to change it to what you want?

i'm curious..cause mostly you are preachin to the choir as to what is wrong in the world
just sayin

thankyou SO, ive had alot of struggles these last few years but i had some amazing things bring me up here lately also. i just got my first job in like 5 years, so funding for my experiments is going to improve. i conquered the porcelain process for the dropa stone, so as soon as i get 60 bucks. a complete stone should be fired in kiln in about 2 months. it took me about a year and half to get it refined to a productive model but as tale end of thread describes. im almost there. as long as it doesnt crack in kiln. lift off should be within days after baking. it may take off as soon as assembled, lol. i hope not as i dont want to lose my first model. ive attempted to build, like 10 dropa stones and i just now have a feasible way of making one. large ceramics are a pain but research has shown me that taking the ceramic slip and drying it to a clay consistency first, will keep it from cracking. them forming into ruff shape and drying completely. then fine sanding to perfection, then a slow fire over 3 days will mean success i believe. some minor welding touch up on lower unit and its off to races. i still have half a bottle of mercury that thor and deuem bought for me. so im good to go. i got a propane tank a friend gave me but i may not need fuel. the sun may activate it. ill just have to wait and see.

Quote from: robomont on July 01, 2016, 12:23:41 AM
i started it here on pegasus, so i also update that thread occasionally,. its called "pegasus first experiment"

Here it is: First PEGASUS EXPERIMENT (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4385.0). :)

Quote from: Eighthman on June 30, 2016, 02:18:30 AM
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160629/1042189100/poll-trump-putin-merkel-hillary.html

I have been expecting a plunge in global confidence in the US as a necessary step towards Disclosure. I will continue to pursue this hypothesis until events prove otherwise : the US is the obstacle preventing Disclosure - above all others. 

I agree with the last statement only because the US is the only one with something TO disclose.

We have no evidence anywhere, that any other country has alien tech in their possession.

So what are they going to disclose? "Hey we have lots of official gun camera footage".

Been there done that.

Until you have actual hardware that breaks the law of physics and alien bodies to display, disclosure is going nowhere.

Prove me wrong if you can, I would love to see some evidence that any other country possesses such hardware/bodies.

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 01, 2016, 01:51:29 AM
Prove me wrong if you can, I would love to see some evidence that any other country possesses such hardware/bodies.

Hello A51Watcher, i dont know if this works for you as an "evidence", but the "Varginha Case" was one of the cases that have generated more controversy in Brazil, where ufologists involved sought to report the fall of an alien ship over the city that day, January 20, 1996 AND that part of its crew was taken by the authorities.

I will post some topics of the timeline and, if you interested, the link where you can read everything in-depth, at the end:

QuoteFirst sight of a strange creature. Source of information: a friend introduced Military witness, who cannot be named, to a UFO investigator. He was directly involved with the capture of the creature and gave a recorded statement on 14th February 1996.

Confirmation of information: Building worker, Henrique Jose, witnessed the capture from the roof of a house on which he had been working on 20th January 1996, approximately 200 yards from the scene. UFO investigators looking for new witnesses on 23rd February 1996 discovered him. Confirmation of information: Street fish seller, Joao Bosco Manuel, witness of the whole event of the capture by the military, came over one year later (22/01/97) when he revealed what he had seen in the morning of the 20th January 1996 to the investigators. January 20th 1996...

QuoteThe military shot. Source of information: Exmilitary member, (now civilian) eyewitness and bridge of information from inside the military, where he still has friends (cannot be named). The witness decided to talk as he felt he was holding interesting information and the UFO investigators were working seriously on the subject (05/96). Confirmation and some details were given by a judicial authority (investigator's friend who cannot be named), after getting in contact with a police source while in a confraternity barbecue for the military (04/96)...

QuoteThe secret services lost one man. Source of information: Military member who was contacted through someone trying to act as a middleman. As two major UFO investigators were working in Varginha, they were the military thought, the right people for keeping names from the public and paying good money for information. Corruption is a common thing in Brazil, dealing with military police. He didn't get the money as the investigators were supporting themselves on the research, and could not pay the asked sum of U$3000.00. He left only the top line, but no details. As the investigators went for more correlated information, they found the policeman's family. Confirmation: family of dead policeman, contacted in June 1996....

QuoteBusy Monday the military clearing off track and UFO investigators coming into the area. Source of information: two military men from E.S.A., contacted through a mutual friend, known to one of the investigators from their childhood together. The military men cannot be named for obvious reasons, but their statements given in April 1996 were of great importance to the understanding of the incident. 22nd January 1996.

At 09:30am, three camouflaged military trucks (Mercedes Benz model 1418), driven by soldiers, Cirilo, Vassalo and De Mello, left the army headquarters at E.S.A. going to Varginha, together with eight more in civilian vehicles driven by officials and secret service agents. Arriving at the avenue that leads to the centre, they al stopped and remained there, parked to one side, up till approximately 11:00am when they all returned to E.S.A. H.Q. The mission had failed. They appeared back at the same place at 14:00. The convoy leader, a VW van, left for the city centre, when another one parked on the lead.

The Intelligence Services were communicating by radio, controlling the operation and at the right moment in time, ordered the first lorry to go, driven by soldier Elber (in substitution of Soldier Cirilo). Shortly afterwards, the second left and in turn, the third went. The lorry drivers stopped at the 'Humanitas' Hospital and there waiting were the M.P. Forces and Fire Brigade – Lieutenant Colonel Olimpio Vanderlei in command.

The commotion was clear, doctors with their masks on, around 15 people wearing white overalls, all the military in civvies everybody was moving fast as the lorry reversed into the hospital by the side gate. The driver had no permission to leave the vehicle. People went up and down the covered lorry's back, and they had fixed hospital sheets to make a sort of tunnel between the lorry and the access room.

All three trucks did the same, controlled so that as one left, the other arrived. At one time, an open wooden box came from the room with a creature inside, apparently dead. It wasn't moving, it had dark brown oily skin, laying on its back it was easy to see the prominent abdomen and head, big open red eyes and big feet. The feet each seemed to consist of a V format, as if they were forkedin two long toes joined with a membrane.

There were three fingers on each hand and it was noticed that the knees were severely grazed and the creature omitted a terrible smell of ammonia. It was always accompanied by a doctor, who, just before he let them take it to the truck, made them stop and stand for a brief moment while he inserted forceps into the creatures little slit mouth and pulled a long black tongue out as a last check. When released, the tongue returned inside the mouth...

QuoteUSA government officials and NASA personnel in Campines On 26th January 1996, US officials arrived at the 'Clinic Hospital', informers told, with the objective of "selecting Brazilian scientists for exchanging projects." Later, the US staff Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, came 'to sign agreements between the two countries for the common use of outer space', which was supposed to warrant the idea of one day sending a Brazilian astronaut into space. Also, visiting Brazil for the first time, was the NASA General Administrator, Daniel Goldin, 'to sign agreements with the INPE (Instituto National de Pesquisa Espacial/Spacial Research National Institute).

Why did these important visitors choose this time to visit? What could be behind the government cover? Did they come for the routine agreements that are usually signed by their subordinates? Contradiction was also apparent when investigators interviewed Adilson Usier Leite about the commotion at the hospitals in Varginha. He claimed the reason for this was...

QuoteCorrupt soldier under arrest just before selling evidence At the beginning of March, to the amazement of the press and UFO investigators, a local press editor (SBT), received a call from the military saying that for U$30,000.00 they could have 6 photographs and a recorded film of the creature. The reporter asked for three hours to obtain authorisation from his director. The military called back to bring the deal down to a lower price of U$10,000. They arranged a meeting that same night. A soldier of about 20, arrived looking tense and explained that they needed to have a second meeting as his colleague, who had the material, was having problems with his family about
handing the evidence over to the press. His parents were scared of what could happen later as a punishment, and his father was also military.

He said the pictures show a creature with goggle eyes, oily skin, thick veins, two nostrils, no nose and a very small mouth. It was horrible and he could sleep after seeing such a thing. He added that the creature was in a closed room, tied up on what looked like a table and covered with a sheet. He was so nervous, that the reporter did not think that he was making that up. The second meeting did not happen. The military called later, even more nervous and agitated, saying that unfortunately they had to cancel the deal as his colleague had been arrested and they material was taken. His own father had told the E.S.A. officials to stop him...

QuoteUFO wave around Varginha February 1996 / March 1996: As the investigators tried to find out more about the creatures, they met people who had witnessed UFO's around the area. Because they didn't know if these sightings were correlated to the case, they were recorded separately. They started to happen about 25 days after the girls' sighting and the investigators assessed them to be genuine. All of the witnesses did not want to be made public and some did not wish to be identified...

QuoteApril 1996 The creatures have chosen another place: the zoo Varginhas' zoo is situated no more than half a mile from the place where the creatures first appeared, but nothing unusual had happened there until the week of 15th20th April 1996 when five healthy animals died suddenly and mysteriously. Two deer and three...

Full read here: http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk/VarginhaDairy.html (http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk/VarginhaDairy.html)

Some more links with more info:

http://www.ovni.ch/guest/bourdais2.htm (http://www.ovni.ch/guest/bourdais2.htm)
http://www.rense.com/general62/var.htm (http://www.rense.com/general62/var.htm)
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case498.htm (http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case498.htm)

2 google translated links from brazilian sites that brings new info (2016) about the case:
https://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufo.com.br%2Fartigos%2Fnovas-revelacoes-agitaram-varginha (https://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufo.com.br%2Fartigos%2Fnovas-revelacoes-agitaram-varginha)
https://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fg1.globo.com%2Fmg%2Fsul-de-minas%2Fnoticia%2F2016%2F01%2Fet-de-varginha-tentaram-acobertar-verdade-diz-ufologo-marcos-petit.html (https://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fg1.globo.com%2Fmg%2Fsul-de-minas%2Fnoticia%2F2016%2F01%2Fet-de-varginha-tentaram-acobertar-verdade-diz-ufologo-marcos-petit.html)

And of course, with all that said, We can never rule out the fact that the evidence was probably confiscated and/or exchanged with the Brazilian government for some few combs, mirrors and axes ;D

Many of you see Disclosure differently than I do.   "Proof" in this world is often a matter of authority, not actual evidence.  Get a government involved and anything can be denied or confirmed, regardless of the truth - and that, to me, is where the situation probably lies.   The US as global hegemon has this locked down- until the coming Eurasian alliance can dictate otherwise.

As to Disclosure,  I can see possible stages:

1) we found evidence of past primitive life outside of earth ( Martian Disclosure-lite)
2) we found evidence of past animal life
3) we found evidence of present life
4) we have proof of external intelligent life and and we don't know anything more than that
5)Full Contact

As to robomont, I can only say You Better Know What You're Doing if you're playing with mercury.  It can be absorbed in ways you don't expect.  I think you need a huge data dump from some insider before you start building a T-3B or Vimana.  Like a whole lotta specs and parameters.

Disclosure WILL happen when, , , ,

:o


, , , , their BIG ships show up in orbit.  ;D

Quote from: RUSSO on July 01, 2016, 12:51:25 PM
Hello A51Watcher, i dont know if this works for you as an "evidence", but the "Varginha Case" was one of the cases that have generated more controversy in Brazil, where ufologists involved sought to report the fall of an alien ship over the city that day, January 20, 1996 AND that part of its crew was taken by the authorities.

I will post some topics of the timeline and, if you interested, the link where you can read everything in-depth, at the end:

Thanks RUSSO! I am aware of that case on the periphery, but never had any recommendation that it warranted an in depth look.

I will certainly look over the links in detail and get back to you.

Yo Russo!

Nice to hear from you.

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 01, 2016, 09:08:03 PM
I will certainly look over the links in detail and get back to you.

8)

At your service  :)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 01, 2016, 11:02:11 PM
Yo Russo!

Nice to hear from you.

Hello again Thor... Thank You for the welcome :)

Trying to catch up all the threads i missed... Looking forward for your always valuable posts  ;)

Let me bounce this out there:  given the obvious power and advancement of ET's, we must seriously ask why they remain discreet - and fail to show up manifestly, a la "The Day The Earth Stood Still" !

Why, why, why?  They must have an ethical or practical reason why they wait to do so.  My suspicion/hypothesis is that they may have concluded that we are 'stuck' indefinitely and worse,  heavily armed with nuclear weapons and possibly in possession of space-going transport (see Secret Space Program).

Hence,.......they may be intervening quietly to shift our world towards a more favorable climate for their unveiling.

Look, it seems to me that if you accept the existence of ET's - and especially if you think the US has reverse engineered craft, then you MUST recognize the possible implications of those beliefs.  At some point, they stop being passive observers or tourists.  If they have influenced our past as visiting "gods" in particular,  or if they "planted" Buddha or Jesus of Mohammed here,  what "strings" are they pulling now?

yall didnt notice the sport models flying over mexico and brazil right after 1996,little trading of hairbrushes and axes, lol.
mercury? yea thats why thousands die every year from mercury poisoning, not, lol, ive done the research, not worried, lots of over hype and fearmongering by the reagan era propaganda machine,.
just today found out carbon nanotubes block xrays and can be used in advanced craft and as clothing in xray rooms instead of lead. how much you want to bet the tr3bs are made of carbon fiber nanotubes?
bet the aliens were the source for the tech, even though the gov/msm probably stated it was a guy with a chocolate candy bar and a radar unit.

well bad news, got fired tonight, get my hopes up and now shot back down, gotta love life, first job in six years lasted 7 days. so back to being broke paranoid robo.
will i ever get my ufo built, who the hell knows.
kinda bummed right now but at least i can get my revenge on the world by spilling its secret guts.

Quote from: Eighthman on July 02, 2016, 02:16:44 AM
Look, it seems to me that if you accept the existence of ET's - and especially if you think the US has reverse engineered craft, then you MUST recognize the possible implications of those beliefs.

That's why I don't recognize those possible implications, as I don't accept the existence of ETs on Earth without any real evidence, much less think that the US has reverse engineered alien craft. :)

QuoteHence,.......they may be intervening quietly to shift our world towards a more favorable climate for their unveiling.

Look, it seems to me that if you accept the existence of ET's - and especially if you think the US has reverse engineered craft, then you MUST recognize the possible implications of those beliefs.  At some point, they stop being passive observers or tourists.  If they have influenced our past as visiting "gods" in particular,  or if they "planted" Buddha or Jesus of Mohammed here,  what "strings" are they pulling now?

welll IF et's are working to change the climate i would say ..from only my own observations  of the state of the world

doesn't look too good..does it?

Quote from: ArMaP on July 02, 2016, 03:19:49 PM
That's why I don't recognize those possible implications, as I don't accept the existence of ETs on Earth without any real evidence, much less think that the US has reverse engineered alien craft. :)

Evidence which would be allowable in court you don't consider as evidence. You have to think a lot of people are liars and you have to find a way for the impossible to happen by human standards in many cases of animal mutilation. You also have to find humans responsible for things like going out in horrific storms and working to kill and take parts of carcasses that normally would be worthless.

Zimbabwe UFO Child Contactee Speaks Publicly For The 1st Time
http://earthmysterynews.com/2016/06/21/zimbabwe-ufo-child-conactee-speaks-publicly-for-the-1st-time/

The 6 Most Famous Alien Abductions
http://thefw.com/famous-alien-abductions/

Incident of January 1996
http://earthmysterynews.com/2016/04/26/is-this-10-million-year-old-sculpture-connected-to-the-varginha-ufo-incident/

if you support my theory that the dropa stone fits the caduceus, then the question is, why would the dropa story of being aliens from syrius not be taken serious as why would some tribe in the middle of asia make something like that up. around 50 years ago at that. so then it means there are aliens and they can crossbread with humans genetically. then if thats true, we probably all are related across the galaxy and aliens are real. its just logical.

Quote from: Dyna on July 02, 2016, 06:13:40 PM
Evidence which would be allowable in court you don't consider as evidence.

Obviously, how many cases there are that something that was accepted in court was proved later to be wrong or not really evidence of something?

QuoteYou have to think a lot of people are liars and you have to find a way for the impossible to happen by human standards in many cases of animal mutilation.

People can be convinced of what they say and say something that is not true, that doesn't make them liars, just wrong. What impossibilities are you talking about?

QuoteYou also have to find humans responsible for things like going out in horrific storms and working to kill and take parts of carcasses that normally would be worthless.

I don't know what you're talking about, so I cannot comment.

To me, "unknown" or "unexplained" doesn't automatically mean "alien", so until I see some evidence of that I will keep those events in the "unknown" or "unexplained" category. :)

Quote from: robomont on July 02, 2016, 06:45:57 PM
if you support my theory that the dropa stone fits the caduceus, then the question is, why would the dropa story of being aliens from syrius not be taken serious as why would some tribe in the middle of asia make something like that up.

I don't know if were talking to me, but if you were my answer is no, I don't support that theory, it's just another theory that needs to be confirmed before I accept it as true.

the membership in general armap,
how many of the members understand what mhd means, as in magneto hydrodynamic?

once you learn that, then isnt my motor such a machine?
ive posted 4 years worth of research to back it up, with designs and links, what more do i need to post?
give me time and i will post vid of it running.
but even then, how many members would even believe a video?

Quote from: robomont on July 02, 2016, 09:00:28 PM
ive posted 4 years worth of research to back it up, with designs and links, what more do i need to post?
give me time and i will post vid of it running.

You answered your own question, I'm waiting for results. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 02, 2016, 07:14:02 PM

Impossible for a normal human situation like in this case many things make little sense.
The FBI showed up with in 30 minutes (of Todd's discovery -ed). They took charge.

QuoteA boot was found a mile from the 4 wheeler a few days ago at the top of a tree. It was his. I notice military copters have been scouring the mountain ever since at least once a day. If you need additional info for verification on anything contact me.

http://www.rense.com/general29/etab.htm

The mutilations was discussed on another thread pretty thoroughly but I remember you did not want to watch the video so maybe missed the important parts.

Quote from: Dyna on July 02, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
http://www.rense.com/general29/etab.htm

The mutilations was discussed on another thread pretty thoroughly but I remember you did not want to watch the video so maybe missed the important parts.

I'm not interested in mutilations.

What's impossible in the case in the link?

anyone know when the next sixty year, cyclic, Dogon dance is ?

funbox

Actually, space otter, present conditions on earth look to me like things are rapidly evolving towards conditions I see as consistent with "ET values".

And what are those values?  A highly advanced ET culture would be strongly collective (like 'super Scandinavians) if not outright hive mind.  Service to some 'away on business' God would be replaced with a strong sense of service to the group.  The idea of a bunch of Ayn Rand space people is ridiculous - otherwise your high tech culture kills itself off.

When some folks say Aliens told 'em that they are horrified at the way humans allow war and poverty/starvation, it has a strong ring of truth to me.

All this said, step back and look at how weird politics has become.  A socialist comes out of nowhere and draws huge crowds (nevermind that end of communism thing),  the 1% led EU is in rapid decay........and Trump and Hillary are the candidates !!!!!! Are you kidding me?

While this comic opera goes on, Russia and China are quietly building a vast Eurasian alliance and slowly overcoming US hegemony.  A new world order is on the way but it isn't what the US and EU had in mind.

eigthman

a new world order that is hive mind is not a place i want to be and if you consider that to be et values i truly feel bad for you
but perhaps you haven't totally considered what hive mind means..


personally i don't believe in"ET" as it has been labeled /spoken about  by most

no i don't have answers  and  i do not like yours ...if you are wishing and hoping that russia and china take over the world.. you might get your wish..but i don't think you would be happy with the result..take a backward glance at history

yes politics has become wierd and if you are close to the earth you would know that it is a symptom of all things  in  transformation...and while the actual planet earth is changing we are all finding ourselves  attempting to handle it...
i don't feel telling yourself fairy stories of us all become hive mind a viable option
but i guess that is just me..

i do look closely..very closely at  us as a species and i see the fear that is making it sooooooo very hard for most..
the fear that has most clinging to what they think they know..what they consider normal..
what they think they are loosing
as a young child clings to an adult for safety

... we are morphing wheather we like it or not..CHANGE is what the earth is doing and we as residents need to pay attention and change to match it for now
we need to be fear-less ..

boy somehow this thread has wobbled  way off course



edit to correct spelin

Quote from: ArMaP on July 02, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
You answered your own question, I'm waiting for results. :)

lol, big hugs armap, you are correct.

Quote from: space otter on July 03, 2016, 02:04:05 AM
eigthman

a new world order that is hive mind is not a place i want to be and if you consider that to be et values i truly feel bad for you
but perhaps you haven't totally considered what hive mind means..


personally i don't believe in"ET" as it has been labeled /spoken about  by most

no i don't have answers  and  i do not like yours ...if you are wishing and hoping that russia and china take over the world.. you might get your wish..but i don't think you would be happy with the result..take a backward glance at history

yes politics has become wierd and if you are close to the earth you would know that it is a symptom of all things  in  transformation...and while the actual planet earth is changing we are all finding ourselves  attempting to handle it...
i don't feel telling yourself fairy stories of us all become hive mind a viable option
but i guess that is just me..

i do look closely..very closely at  us as a species and i see the fear that is making it sooooooo very hard for most..
the fear that has most clinging to what they think they know..what they consider normal..
what they think they are loosing
as a young child clings to an adult for safety

... we are morphing wheather we like it or not..CHANGE is what the earth is doing and we as residents need to pay attention and change to match it for now
we need to be fear-less ..

boy somehow this thread has wobbled  way off course



edit to correct spelin

ONE OF US, ONE OF US, RESISTENCE IS FUTILE. Joking s. o., i like my freedom from the DOD PSYCHOLIGIST And state dept msm. but most cant handle the truth,...

Quote from: funbox on July 03, 2016, 12:05:57 AM
anyone know when the next sixty year, cyclic, Dogon dance is ?

funbox

QuoteSigui is the most important ceremony of the Dogon. It takes place every 60 years and can take several years. The last one started in 1967 and ended in 1973; the next one will start in 2027.

:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

Here's another good article about this huge topic that the lame-stream media fails to discuss:

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/road-united-eurasia/ri15334

Imagine a future of trade replacing warmongering thruout Eurasia.  Imagine nations standing up to the US and saying 'No, we don't want WW3".   

if you decode the queens dont panic brexit speech, its all about mass migration when the planet goes tits up. the trade deals are,  no migration then no open market.
its all about letting the folks run where needed and keeping the markets open,.
isms fall by the wayside when the world is about to go to hell.

Quote from: robomont on July 04, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
the trade deals are,  no migration then no open market.

Not really, one of the basis of the open market among EU countries is the free circulation of people and goods from any EU country to any EU country. An EU citizen that moves to another EU country is not considered an immigrant, it's considered an EU citizen living and working in another EU country.

People from countries outside the EU are considered immigrants and do not have the same benefits EU citizens have. For example, some years ago my elder sister went to the Netherlands to visit a friend, and she went by train. Whenever the train reached a border (it happened three times) she only had to show her Portuguese ID card, no need for a passport or anything else. On the same compartment were some Brazilians that always had to show the passports and answer some questions.

Quote from: Dyna on July 03, 2016, 07:21:48 PM
:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

2027 eh , isn't that the date of the asteroid or what-not :D

funbox

Quote from: ArMaP on July 04, 2016, 08:54:48 PM
Not really, one of the basis of the open market among EU countries is the free circulation of people and goods from any EU country to any EU country. An EU citizen that moves to another EU country is not considered an immigrant, it's considered an EU citizen living and working in another EU country.

People from countries outside the EU are considered immigrants and do not have the same benefits EU citizens have. For example, some years ago my elder sister went to the Netherlands to visit a friend, and she went by train. Whenever the train reached a border (it happened three times) she only had to show her Portuguese ID card, no need for a passport or anything else. On the same compartment were some Brazilians that always had to show the passports and answer some questions.

just wait and see,i bet another trade agreement is in the works.

Quote from: funbox on July 04, 2016, 10:13:20 PM
2027 eh , isn't that the date of the asteroid or what-not :D

funbox

ice age first,imho

Quote from: robomont on July 05, 2016, 12:38:45 AM
just wait and see,i bet another trade agreement is in the works.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. ???

If yellowstone goes off and apophis in 2036,mass population movement on a continental scale will be needed.these agreements are prep for that.but they arent going to outright state that.its all behind the scenes.thats how big govs work.otherwise there would be world wide panic.

Quote from: robomont on July 05, 2016, 06:51:36 AM
these agreements are prep for that.

What agreements?

I dont know if this may fit this thread or if there is truth to it...or if its an old info, but someone I follow had it posted on their website.. and there seems a lot of information.  Need to see article for other info that is too much for me to copy and paste in at the moment..such as Maps and copied documents..

The 72 HOUR RED FLAG Before NEW WORLD ORDER! 2016 MARTIAL LAW Exposed -This has already been done in 30 of the 50 states!
STATES BEING ABOLISHED

http://www.prepperfortress.com/72-hour-red-flag-new-world-order-2016-martial-law-exposed-this-has-already-been-done-in-30-of-the-50-states/

QuoteStudy the constitution of your state. You may find that your state constitution no longer describes the boundaries of the state -effectively abolishing the state. At last check, the only states that still lay out their boundaries in their constitutions are Washington, Idaho, Montana, North and South Dakota, Wyoming, Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana, Nevada, 'Utah,' Colorado, Kansas, Arizona, New Mexico and Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama and Florida.



-Spotlight

1/18/88

FEMA

Only the states marked with a slash still retain state boundaries which are still specified in their State Constitutions. When the State borders are no longer in the State Constitution, it is the signal that the State has lost its sovereignty (and its State Citizens).

Now a CENTRAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN FORMED WHICH IS THE STEP INTO INTERNATIONAL COMMUNISM THROUGH THE UNITED NATIONS – WAKE UP AMERICA!

FEMA

The prohibition in both the State and the United States Constitutions are very clearly defined and impregnable. The only way that these changes can be made, of course, is to change the Constitutions. The perpetrators of Regional and World Government well know this.

They well know that the STATE GOVERNMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE ABOLISHED BEFORE THEY CAN FORCE REGIONAL, METROPOLITAN AND WORLD GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES – This has already been done in 30 of the 50 states!

WHAT IS FEMA?


FEMA is the acronym for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. It was established by Executive Order 12148 and signed into existence by Jimmy Carter in 1979.
It was originally planned as an umbrella administration consisting of the disaster and emergency response arms of nearly a dozen scattered federal agencies. (11)

FEMA

FEMA is the successor to the various cover agencies for bogus "national emergency" activity perpetrated since 1933, e.g., the Office of Emergency Preparedness, the Office of Defense Mobilization, the Office of Emergency Planning the Economic Stabilization Agency and the Civil Defense Administration... FEMA's major functions were, unconstitutionally and in violation of the Compact, delegated under sham and pretense of a series of so-called Executive Orders, but without actual authority. ...(12)
...While some national security planners applauded the 1979 creation of FEMA under Presidential Review Memorandum 32 as an effort to integrate all nine federal agencies with responsibilities for civil defense emergency planning and implementation, the authors of the plan had other things in mind.
The FEMA plan was written by Carter White House NSC advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski and NSC staffer Samuel Huntington. Four years earlier Brzezinski and Huntington had been together at the "Trilateral Commission's annual 1975 conference in Kyoto, Japan", where Huntington delivered a blood-curdling paper advocating the end of democracy and the imposition of crisis-management forms of government. A Trilateral Commission-linked magazine, Challenge, had earlier described the concept as "fascism with a democratic face".

NSC advisor Brzezinski called it the "technetronic age".

It was Brzezinski and Huntington's vision of a technocratic fascist structure that came into being with the creation of FEMA – not a legitimate and long overdue serious attempt at civil defense...

Crisis of Democracy...

"We have to come to recognize that there are potentially desirable limits to economic growth. There are also potentially desirable limits to the indefinite extension of political democracy."

Within months after he had written this analysis, Huntington entered the Old Executive Office building as an NSC staffer under the Trilateral Commission executive director Brzezinski. FEMA was cast in the "crisis of democracy" vision of the commission's zero-growth agenda. The transition from Carter to Reagan tended to accelerate, rather than slow, the buildup of the FEMA parallel government within the government program of Trilateralist Brzezinski and Huntington.

By 1984, FEMA's "continuity of government" structure was well oiled. Over 1,000 executive orders allocating extensive powers to FEMA in the event of a string of national emergencies sat in a safe in the Oval Office, waiting only for the signature of the President.
And in April 1984, FEMA, in conjunction with the Department of Defense, held extensive secret maneuvers throughout the United States. If there was any doubt that Huntington's "crisis of democracy" vision was foremost in the minds of its planners, a declassified section of the exercise plan, dubbed REX-84 BRAVO spelled out the scenario on which the operation was based:

"...The sudden withdrawal of cheap incremental loans to heavily indebted countries generated a number of consequences to both borrowers and lenders alike. The first was to throw the entire world into the worst recession since the great depression of the 1930...
"The response of commercial banks... was predictable... both the multinational banks and the IMF... emphasized three actions: a) lower imports; b) raise exports; and c) reduce the government sector debt by cutting subsidies and, in effect, cutting real wages.
"The outcome of this advice, on a worldwide basis, was primarily social unrest. It occurred in the Warsaw Pact nations as well as free world countries. The major impact of a high and rising dollar with the interest rate of most loans tied to the London Interbank Offer Rate (LIBOR) was to shift almost all import earnings from being used to pay for imports, to being used to service debt...Bankruptcies and defaults on a massive scale developed, and doomsayers began to publish apocalyptic scenarios"...

This so-called "scenario" was the basis of secret government contingency planning for installing crisis-management at the very moment that President Reagan was delivering false assurances to the American people and the nation's allies that great economic recovery – The "Reagan Revolution" – was under way-Railroad! by the Commission to Investigate Human Rights Violations, Appendix B.

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AMERICANS "COMPUTERIZED" BY FEMA


Fort Meade, Maryland is the government's most tightly guarded installation (it houses, among others, the secret National Security Agency). In an unmarked, windowless office building on the grounds of Fort Meade, hundreds of thousands of American citizens are being "computerized" by technicians on the payroll of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

"Administratively, this place is the equivalent of an unlisted telephone", explained a former senior official of FEMA who agreed to an interview on condition that his identity be protected.

"It has no official existence. There is no listing for it, no traceable designation. But it's there, idling quietly, like a doomsday bomb waiting for its moment in history."

The task of FEMA's secret data control annex at Fort Meade is to develop so-called CAP's-the term stands for "crisis action programs"-to be implemented in national emergencies. The term was originally used to denote disaster relief plans at the Federal Preparedness Agency, once a department of the General Services Administration, now merged into FEMA.
But the computerized action plans instrumented at Fort Meade have nothing to do with aiding victims of hurricanes or other natural disasters. They are blueprints for taking over the U.S. government and converting it into a command system under the "emergency management" of federal bureaucrats.
Privately, congressional investigators, intelligence analysts and veteran Washington newsmen familiar with the inner machinery of the vast federal bureaucracy have long expressed concern and anxiety about FEMA. An "umbrella administration" born in 1978 when President Jimmy Carter combined the disaster and emergency response functions of nearly a dozen scattered federal outposts into a single agency, FEMA has always been known as an "activist" and secretive fraternity.
Under Louis Giuffrida, appointed FEMA director by President Ronald Reagan in 1981, the agency developed a top-secret project for arresting tens of thousands of "suspects aliens" along with troublesome critics and dissenters whom the White House found annoying enough to be labeled "potentially subversive."
Tagged Operation Rex 84, these un-Constitutional plans were first discovered and revealed by this populist newspaper (The Spotlight) in a series of exclusive investigative reports in the April 23 and May 14, 1984 issues.


But although,

"The Spotlight's expose wrecked FEMA's plans for setting up mass "emergency detention centers" – and cost Giuffrida his post as director – secret preparations for "(ensuring) the continuity of the federal government" in ill-defined "emergencies" remained the major concern of FEMA's senior officials.
"Those words, enunciated by President Gerald Ford in Executive Order 11921, were understood by FEMA to mean that one day they would be in charge of the country," explained Dr. Henry Kliemann, a political scientist a Boston University.

"As these bureaucrats saw it, FEMA's real mission was to wait, prepare and then take over when some 'situation' seemed serious enough to turn the United States into a police state."

To illustrate FEMA's conspiratorial core, knowledgeable Washington intelligence sources cited the instance of the 1989 visit by President George Bush to Cartagena, Colombia, to attend a so-calledregional drug summit with three Latin American presidents.

"There were rumors of a terrorist threat against Bush by Colombian drug hit squads", recounted Monroe H.Brown, "a former federal security officer with long years of service Miami.

"Teams of Secret Services, FBI and CIA agents were mobilized to find out how serious the threat was, while back in Washington FEMA went to work on an emergency program in case the presidential plane was hit by a Stinger missile somewhere over Colombia."

FEMA's emergency measures included preparations to round up more than 10,000 Americans "redlined" in the agency's computers as "activists, supporters or sympathizers of terrorism in the United States," explained Brown.
In August 1990, after Iraq invaded Kuwait, FEMA got ready to deal with "terrorist emergencies" in the United States by churning up the same old discredited computer compilation of "terrorist supporters and sympathizers," adding thousands of names to it and alerting the U.S. Army to set up detention camps to hold these innocent victims of its bureaucratic brutality. (14)

FEMA – BLACK PATH TOWARDS MARTIAL LAW


Emergency is the trigger word in the FEMA title.

"The Director of FEMA shall, on behalf of the President:

Coordinate all mobilization activities of the Executive Branch, including production .procurement, manpower, stabilization and transport. FEMA will be able to alter any existing contract.

The FRS (Federal Reserve System), with all its branches will become "fiscal agent to the United States" with dictatorial power over the economy of the nation.

The Treasury and the Export-Import Bank will be authorized to make loans under the direction of FEMA and the FRS.

During a "National Emergency" the President, an "Elected Official" would be stripped of all his Presidential functions.

Set-up an Executive Branch of the government and a National Defense Executive Reserve ("NDER") composed of persons selected (not elected) from various segments of the civilian economy and from government for training for employment in executive positions in the event of a "National Emergency". ...Such reservists have been treasonously exempted from certain provisions of the federal criminal code, and may be employed "without compensation", e.g., shanghaied or blackmailed into service! ...



This diagram, from The U.S. Congress Handbook, shows how U.S, laws are supposed to become enacted.

Thanks to FEMA however, the president has the power to bypass this process after declaring an "emergency."

These emergencies have never been defined in Congress.

Seize and/or control every major national asset.

Provide for National Security and consolidate the assignment of emergency preparedness functions with various departments and agencies.
The Department of Justice shall develop plans for administering laws regarding the import, manufacture and distribution of narcotics, i.e., do anything it wants relative to narcotics since the term "emergency" purports to eliminate all "law". They are also ordered to take-over organized crime's drug rackets and "manage" them!

DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AT ANY TIME!

Have the Dept. of the Interior take-over all potable water.

Place all food production under the Dept. of Agriculture.

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Take-over all labor resources by means of lists already prepared by the Dept. of Labor.

Implement take-over of all forms of transportation by the Dept. of Transportation, assisted by the Civil Aeronautics Board.

Implement take-over of all nuclear facilities by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

Take-over authority and presidential functions of all emergency agencies and reduce the consequences of major terrorist incidents.
...case and list some examples of the "perpetuation of a silent coup".

For example:

— Declaring certain areas to be "military reserves" and cause American citizens to be removed from their homes and imprisoned without trial under the pretense of racial difference.

— Another code provides that any military commander (under FEMA) can, under the color for "National Emergency", specify any area he desires as a military reserve, and designate anyone living there as a criminal. ...
(end of excerpts). (15)

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...When "Martial Law" is declared, the Constitution is no longer the law of the land. It is revoked and replaced with what amounts to a military dictatorship in much the same way that Latin American countries have been doing for score of years. Those with the most weapons usually win. Most American know very well that a large share of men in uniform will not fight against their own people, particularly if the soldier is of their own ethnic background. ...

Martial Law

The debate over "Martial Law" has been around for a long time. The Department of Defense recognizes that, within our Constitution, there is a question of lawfulness if the military is ordered to declare "Martial Law" over the citizens of the United States. This debate became extensive during the early days of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) while it was being developed in California by then-Governor Ronald Reagan and his advisor, Edwin Meese.

A Col. Guiffrida moved to Washington with Reagan and Meese completed the organizational concepts on a national level. The debate over "Martial Law" was extensive during the "Garden Plot", "Cable Splicer" and Rex-84 programs wherein the military (primarily National Guardsmen) conducted training exercises to put down "civil unrest".
In working with FEMA, the Dept. of Defense was given the replacement phrase, "Martial Rule". All of the government of the world recognize the term "Martial Law". It means the same thing everywhere. When it is declared, the constitution of that country is suspended for as long as the military is in command. But with "Martial Rule", these "masters planners" believe that they will still have the Constitution and have military command at the same time.

The Rex-84 program is essentially a massive detention center program where they plan to incarcerate all "seditionists" during a declared "National Emergency". They will simply be declared felons and the government will attempt to enforce the law with several million Deputy U.S. Marshals.

FEMA – DICTATORSHIP POSSIBLE???


Hidden in the bureaucratic maze Washington politicians call "our Constitutional system of government", a little-known federal agency is quietly making plans to turn the United States into a dictatorship.
There are "stacks of blueprints" in the top-secret safe of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) designed to convert American society into a "command system", a former deputy administrator of the agency has told ...the investigative team.



In a private interview, allowing him to remain anonymous, this highly placed source confirmed that the procedures developed by FEMA to "suspend" the Constitution and to round up thousands of dissenters nationwide can be activated by a single phone call from the White House.

"Even people who have become aware of FEMA's existence and know something about its activities-not many do-think the word "Emergency" in its designation means it will go into action only in case of a natural disaster or perhaps a surprise nuclear attack", related this expert.

FEMA


"In reality, however, this outfit can be mobilized whenever the politicians occupying the White House decide they need special-and extra-Constitutional-powers to impose their will on the nation."

FEMA

...FEMA's bureaucrats can then proceed to:

Take over all farms, ranches or timberland in order to utilize them more effectively as decreed in Executive Order (EO) 11490, the so-called omnibus emergency preparedness decree promulgated by President Richard Nixon on October 28, 1969.

Seize all sources of public power: electric, nuclear, petroleum, etc.

Freeze all wages, prices and bank accounts.

Take over all communications media.

Such totalitarian measures can be imposed by bureaucrats under FEMA's direction, not just in the face of a cataclysmic upheaval, but "whenever necessary for assuring the continuity of the federal government in any national emergency type situation", decreed a subsequent White House ukase, EO 11921, issued by President Gerald Ford in April 1976.



Can such a blueprint for tyranny be clamped on the United States by a force of faceless federal officials? It is the role of FEMA (prepared) for most intensively, says the former high agency administrator.

"In recent years, despite talk of spending cuts, FEMA's budget has been steadily increasing," revealed this knowledgeable source. "It now stands at somewhere around $3 billion annually. I say 'somewhere' because part of this agency's funding is appropriated under so-called black programs, submitted to Congress with the defense budget without an explanation of its purpose, asking the secret CIA appropriation."

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The Plot Against Private Property!!


In the February 2 Issue of his newsletter, Remnant Review, GARY NORTH makes the provocative suggestion that our Constitutional Convention of 1787 was a manipulative maneuver of the Elitist Syndicate plotting world control via a central banking conspiracy. This is too long and too meaty an article for THE OSTRICH to offer more than a few nibbles.
The American Convention consolidated the 13 original states, sovereign under the Articles of Confederation, into a giant free trade zone. North speculates that the Constitution was a peaceful thesis to the violent antithesis of the French Revolution of the same period—"a Hegelian dialectic even before Hegel was born." Both aimed at the same goal on the same timetable: completion by 2000. That goal was world political totalitarianism under a money monopoly.
North dates organization of the plotters from SIR ISAAC NEWTON'S "capture" of England's Royal Society, chartered in 1661, and the founding of the monopolistic Bank of England in the same period. He attributes success to conspirators' sources in occultism (secret societies) and journalism. For more than three centuries, London has been the brain and control center of the conspiracy. The Bank of England is the model for a world-controlling money monopoly. North suggests that the United States is the model for its political aspect, the peaceful thesis for the violent antithesis (USSR) which has failed.
Given worldwide aspirations inspired by the idealism launching the American Experiment, this was a brilliant propaganda choice and is thus being sold for a United Europe, first step in the Syndicate's One World. As in the United States, K was first peddled as a free trade union. Gradually, as THE OSTRICH has been reporting, the original sovereignty of our confederated states has been devoured with bribes, blackmail, and such outright theft as the Nixon Administration regionalism shown in the map below. A similar fate is predictable for European nations under the Syndicate's consolidation planned for 1992.
Unless a re-united neutral Germany breaks from the conspiracy.... Unless Americans awake and their own non-violent "velvet" revolution outlaw fractional reserve and usury banking....


REGIONAL GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE


White House Directive, "Restructuring of Government Service Systems", dated 27 March 1969 merged the fifty sovereign states into ten federal regions in violation of the prohibitions of Article IV, United States Constitution.



An examination of the type of government established under regional governance shows that it is a government of appointed rather than elected officials, a governance established in violation of the guarantees of Article X, United States Constitution. Under regional governance US citizens are to be held in bondage, in perpetuity, as producers and servers for a self-appointed Oligarchy.
Interlocking subversion in government departments can, of course, be successfully challenged by an informed electorate motivated to act. within the authority of the U.S. Constitution. (38)

FEMA can draw on the defense budget and on the protection of the secrecy reserved for national security projects because it came into being under President Jimmy Carter in a move that merged the civil defense and disaster relief responsibilities formerly shared by the Pentagon, the Commerce Department and the General Services Administration under a single powerful agency.
But FEMA's real focus is not on disaster relief, knowledgeable sources say. An investigation of this little-known agency, conducted earlier this year (1992) by the General Accounting Office (GAO), the congressional watchdog unit, has found that less than 10 percent of FEMA's staff – 230 bureaucrats out of an estimated 2,600 – are assigned full time to preparing for and dealing with major natural calamities such as storms or earthquakes.
What, then, is FEMA really up to? ...an advance copy of the GAO report on this secretive agency... The study's surprising findings have been reviewed with the help of well-placed confidential sources in order to bring into full view, for the first time, the federal bureaucracy's secret blueprint for tyranny in America.

THE FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY'S SECRET BLUEPRINT

FOR TYRANNY IN AMERICA



President Eisenhower's warning about the "Military Industrial Complex" should hit home. The term "Military Security" has become a shield behind which the American people are being systematically drained and defraud... Unlimited spending for weapons programs has become the means by which contractors have virtually unobstructed access to public funds. When you have contractors being reimbursed for expenses without documentation you have a license to steal.
Evidence that we are becoming a "Military Welfare State" is found in Public Law 85-804, which holds that contractors who are "deemed essential" to national defense must be protected against bankruptcy. This legislative legerdemain means that American citizens (taxpayers) are REQUIRED to underwrite
Incompetence, Waste, and even Fraud.
The Pentagon has been given the power to subsidize suppliers who have broken their contractual obligations. National security has become the facade behind which the National Treasury is being brazenly raided... (18)
FIGURE OUT WHAT MJTF POLICE, BATF, FINCEN and FEMA HAVE DRAWN INTO MESSING UP WITH THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS!!!

The Conspiracy Of The New World Order World War 3 The Secret



HISTORY OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS


Under the Constitution of the United States, the president is vested with the executive power of the government (Article II, Section I, clause I), the power to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" (Article II, Section I, clause 7) and the power to see that the laws are faithfully executed (Article II, Section 3).
From these powers is implied the authority to issue "executive orders" (EOs).

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AN "EXECUTIVE ORDER" HAS NEVER BEEN DEFINED BY CONGRESS

In use from the earliest days of the republic, the executive order was at first employed mainly for the disposition of the public domain, the withdrawal of lands from federal reservations and for other similar purposes.
During World War I the use of the executive order was widened, as executive authority and power increased.
In the early years executive orders were not numbered, and since there was no uniform system for recording them the total of the unnumbered orders is unknown.
The validity of executive orders has been questioned many times, but a ruling as to the extent or limit to which they may be used has never been determined by the courts or by Congress (Library of Congress, Legislative Research service No.398/117-9).
The "Federal Register" contains the text of directives issued under the authority of the president. No congressional authorization is required. There is no review by the judiciary.
All EOs are laws made by one man: the president of the United States.
Through existing EOs, it is possible for one man to ignore the Constitution, Congress and the will of the people. A complete DICTATORSHIP can be imposed, "under color of law," on the American people.
On March 9, 1933 President Franklin Roosevelt declared a state of "National Emergency" to deal with the banking crisis. Later, he declared two other national emergencies as he led the United States into World War II.
Another state of emergency was declared by President Harry Truman in 1950 after Red China's intervention in the Korean War. Truman formally ended both the World War II emergencies in April of 1952, but expressly reaffirmed the 1950 declaration.
Presidents Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon also reaffirmed it as each took office. Nixon declared other national emergencies on March 23, 1970 and August 15, 1971.
A declaration by the president indicating a national emergency exists has always stopped short of Martial Law, although the president has that prerogative. Undoubtedly it would be exercised in the event of a major or nuclear attack on the United States.
The last use of Martial Law was in Hawaii a few hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.
It is interesting to note that the tendency of martial law to perpetuate itself was demonstrated in that case. The military retained basic control of Hawaii until the Supreme Court in 1944 ruled that the continued use of martial law, long after the disaster conditions had ended, was un-Constitutional.

Part 2

QuoteTHE FRIGHTENING SIGHT OF DICTATORIAL POWERS


It is a frightening thought, but there are Executive Orders (EOs) on the books that made it possible for a president to ignore the Constitution and its cherished Bill of Rights, Congress, the judiciary and the very will of the American people.
It is a fact that a complete dictatorship can be imposed upon the people at nay time, simply by the president declaring a national emergency.
During the 1950s and 1960s, it was believed that the best way to bring about one-world government was by disarming the United States. Those who feared for America's Constitutionally guaranteed liberties, and rightfully so, warned that America would be disarmed and would become easy prey for the ever-expanding military power of the Soviet Union and Red China.
They particularly opposed the powers of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, established to disarm America.
Now, however, with Eastern Europe shaking itself free from the shackles of communism and those peoples exercising their nationalistic yearnings, disarmament by both sides has become a necessity to cure social ills plaguing the U.S. and former Soviet bloc countries. With the apparent failure of the Red military machine, the general movement has been toward as easing of the arms race.
From the newfound "friendship" with Eastern Europe and in particular from the so-called multinational effort against Iraq in the Persian Gulf, President George Bush rarely gives a speech or holds a press conference in which he fails to mention his thoughts about a "New World Order."
Now, however, a new method is needed to nullify America's treasured Constitution, and the insidious EOs have gained a new and even more dangerous part to play in the plotting of the one worlders of the Trilateralist–Bilderberger ilk.
The biggest danger of such schemes as those proposed by Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) is that any declared "national emergencies" would allow the president to activate repressive EOs signed by presidents going back to World War II.



Here are some of the EOs involved:

EO 10995, which provides for the takeover of the communications media. In other words, forget about freedom of the press.

EO 10997, which provides for the takeover of all electric power, petroleum, gas and other fuels and minerals.

EO 10998, which provides for the takeover of all food resources and the nation's farms.

EO 10999, which provides for the takeover of all modes of transportation, control of highways, seaports, etc.

EO 11000, which provides for mobilization of all civilians into work brigades under government supervision. In other words, slave labor.

EO 11001, which provides for government takeover of all health, education and welfare functions.

EO 11002, designates the postmaster general to operate a national registration of all persons.

EO 11003, which provides for the government to take over airports and aircraft.

EO 11004, which provides for the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, designate areas to be abandoned and establish new locations for populations.

EO 11005 which provides for the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

All of the above orders were combined by President Richard Nixon into the notorious EO 11490... which allows all of these insidious things to take place if a national emergency is declared.
Here are some direct quotes from the 40-page Nixon EO:

"Develop plans and procedures for the Department of Defense utilization of non-industrial facilities in the event of an emergency in order to reduce requirements for new construction and to provide facilities in a minimum period of time..."

In other words, The confiscation of private property.

"Develop plans and procedures for the provision of logistical support to members of foreign forces, their employees and dependents as may be present in the United States under terms of bilateral or multilateral agreements which authorize such support in the event of a national

In other words, prepare for the billeting of foreign troops in your home contrary to the Third Amendment.

"Develop emergency plans for the control for alien enemies and other aliens within the United States. The lo0cation, restraint or custody of aliens."
"The Secretary of Labor shall have primary responsibility for preparing national emergency plans and developing preparedness programs covering civilian manpower resources."

Preparation can be undertaken for forced labor.

"Provision for regulation of money and credit in accordance with the needs of the economy, including the acquisition decentralization and distribution of emergency supplies of currency; the collection of cash items and non-cash items; and the conduct of fiscal agency and foreign operations.
"Provision for the continued or resumed operation of banking, savings and loan, and farm credit institutions, including measures for the recreation of evidence of assets or liabilities destroyed or inaccessible.
"Regulation of the withdrawal of currency and the transfer of credits including deposit and share account balances."

Then along come President Jimmy Carter and EO 12148, titled the Federal Emergency Management Act. All prior EOs having anything to do with emergency planning were incorporated into it. This EO gives the president absolute power during any "emergency" so declared by him.
From Carter's machinations emerged a totally new bureaucracy, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) which assumed control of a chain of older "emergency agencies", including the Federal Disaster Assistance Administration, the National Weather Service, the Federal Emergency Broadcast System and about a dozen others.
In an "emergency", FEMA was, through EO 12148, to virtually take over the key functions of the national government by means of "senior representatives" and "liaison a-gents" now positioned in every major government agency.
Incredibly, FEMA even has the power to assume the duties of the president himself.
...Those who want to know the complete truth about its not-so-innocent nature only need to peruse Carter's EO 12148, as it appeared on July 24, 1979, in the Federal Register, and as it was reprinted in the May 26, 1980 issue of The SPOTLIGHT.
Finally, President Ronald Reagan updated this EO in his last full year in office on November 18, 1988, leaving his successor, Bush, the tools to create a dictatorship, his "New World Order". (20)
Then came up to the top of the top, the EO 11051:

"The Director of the Office of Emergency Planning authorized to put Executive Orders into effect in 'times of increased international tension or financial crisis'. He is also to perform such additional functions as the President may direct." (21)

The Director...:

It is not specified civilian or elected; may concern anybody, even a close political friend... times of increased international tension or financial crisis: may be related to absolutely anything outside to continental United States, like a major crisis in the Middle East or in Yugoslavia or even in Russia.... May also concern a "Crash" created by a sudden "Coup" in Russia...

Finally, has been created the most unknown HR 4079:

"Forty-eight of your tax-paid congressmen sponsored the Newspeak-named 'National Drug and Crime Emergency Act' which could cost you more than $30 TRILLION and imprison 30 MILLION Americans. ...here's what that Constitution-scuttling measure could do:

Declare a five year "Emergency" imposing martial rule. ?Impose testing for drug and alcohol use.

Authorize mass expulsion of drug and alcohol users from public and private high schools and college and fire any workers using drugs.

Accelerate confiscation of cars, boats, planes, other property of casual drug users.

Set much higher mandatory sentences for drug and alcohol use. Previous maximum sentences would become minimum sentences.

Allow revocation of probation, parole and suspended sentences.

Reopen World War II Japanese 'Relocation Centers' as concentration camps.

Activate military bases as prisons to 're-educate' Americans.. Create a new private prison system.

In effect, suspend the 4th Article in Amendment (the 'Bill of Rights') to our Constitution which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, and the 8th Article in Amendment which prohibits excessive fines, bail or punishment. Police would have legal right to break into any home WITHOUT a search warrant, arrest any person, and hold him WITHOUT CHARGE INDEFINITELY.

In effect, 'legalize' slave labor by amending present law that restricts purchase of goods and services by prisoners." (22)


THE WHITE HOUSE 1991 PRESS DOCUMENT



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COUNTDOWN TO TREASON – USSDD 7277

..."U.S. State Department Document no.7277 titled, 'The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament' (written in 1950s)... THE GOVERNMENT NOW DENIES THAT THERE EVER WAS SUCH A DOCUMENT BUT I HAVE A COPY. IT DECLARES AS U.S. POLICY:

"The disbanding of all national armed forces and the prohibition of their re-establishment in any form whatsoever, other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a United Nations Peace Force."

It further provides for:

"The establishment and effective operation of an international Disarmament Organization within the framework of the United Nations, to assure compliance at all times, with all disarmament obligations."

The U.S. Constitution specifically mandates the Congress,

"To raise and support armies, ..." and "To provide and maintain a navy." Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 13. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that:

This Court has regularly and Uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty. Reid V. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 at p. 17. In the Reid case, the Court further held that EVEN A STATUTE, IN PLACE BEFORE A TREATY, TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER A TREATY.

...Gun control is disarmament of the individual and is the other half of the National disarmament program being pushed in this country by... politicians..."(23)











REX 84 – CONCENTRATION CAMPS-UNITED NATIONS RE-EDUCATION FACILITIES


Mass detention facilities-otherwise known as concentration camps-have been set up at a number of major U.S. military installations on the secret orders of Ex-President Reagan. The Executive orders which established these camps have been canceled because the camps are now in place. The White House issued a highly classified NATIONAL SECURITY DECISION DIRECTIVE (NSDD) which set forth urgent instructions which 'activated' ten huge prison camps at key defense command locations across America.
Two trustworthy sources, patriotic career Army officers, revealed that preparations were set in motion for an unprecedented roundup of 'security suspects' coast to coast.
According to these sources, one of the primary goals of the vast police operation, code named "REX-84", is to apply "C&C ("capture and custody") measures against political opponents, resisters, and outspoken critics whom our bureaucratic government considers "dangerous".
Four of the principle civilian concentration camps established under the "REX-84" program are located at:

Ft. Chaffee, Arkansas

Ft. Drum, New York

Ft. Indian Gap, Pennsylvania

Camp A.P. Hill in Virginia

Each one of these camps is designed to hold at least 25,000 civilian prisoners.
Additional emergency custodial facilities are being readied at:

Oakdale, California (reportedly for 15,000 detainees)

Eglin Air Force Base in southern Florida

Vandenberg AFB in California

Ft. McCoy, Wisconsin

Ft. Benning, Georgia

Ft. Huachuca, Arizona

finally at the southern Justice Department detention and interrogation center known as Camp Krome near Miami, Florida.

A major national task force of federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies-including the FBI, the CIA, U.S. Marshals, INS, Customs, Coast Guard, National Guard, and so forth-will join with local and state police in massive roundups to haul in lists of suspects who will fill these improvised stockades.

"The first roundup – and the publicly announced one – will be of illegal aliens and refugees", according to a military source.

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"But under the secret provisions of "REX-84? there will be also broad arrests of security suspects who can be held in these centers under this emergency order, whether they're U.S. citizens or not."

Americans whom the administration suspects of belonging to so -called "violence-prone" groups, or of "supporting" such groups-which may means only that a citizen subscribes to an anti-government/pro-freedom new letter – may find themselves hauled off with hordes of illegal immigrants.
Another category of anti-bureaucratic activists which may be bound for administrative detention under this directive is that "major, organized tax resisters", one source close to the program said.
Not a single source interviewed could cite a Constitutional or legal precedent for such a staggering mass roundup of civilians by American authorities in "peacetime" if the president ordered a direct strike into central America, which was to be code named "OPERATION NIGHT TRAIN" (we have the document on it), that they would set up a concomitant domestic exercise or war games scenario calledREX-84, the main rationale of which was to round up 400,000 undocumented Central American aliens during a two week period of time. Incarcerate them in ten military detention camps. (Some of these camps are shown and documented in the movie COVER-UP which has been playing at theaters on the West Coast. It's available for rent from CBA Bookstore, 3434 N. Pacific Highway, Medford, OR 97501) (24)


OPERATION DRAGNET – THE UNITED NATIONS' PITFALL


According to The Washington Report something called operation dragnet., is authorized under Title II of the Mc Carran Act. According to this act, the alleged president of the United States is authorized to suspend the Bill of Rights with a single telephone call, if either an invasion, a state of war, or, more probably, an "insurrection" is certified by the head of the current government, Operation Dragnetwill be initiated.

Currently a Univac computer located in a secret place somewhere near Washington contains at least 1,000,000 names and, with the signal, the computer will begin printing arrest warrants. Those whose names are stored in the computer will be picked up by the FBI, state and local police. 17 prison camps, known in WWII as "concentration camps" have already been constructed to hold the mass arrestees.

Three of these camps are being held in current readiness, two are on standby and the rest could be activated rapidly. (American Information Newsletter, 2408 Main St. Boise, ID 83702 Sept. 1993)

"Strategically placed across the country from Elmondorf, Alaska to Avon Park, Florida, three of these "detention centers" are now operational in a slightly different guise, two others are on a stand-by basis, and the rest are ready and available with a minimum of preparation-and all that's needed to fill these camps with thousands of Americans is for somebody to launch "Operation Dragnet".
"It will be swift and legal. The law is already on the books. They represent every shade of political and social opinion from Right to Left and include a big span of middle-of-the-road citizens who have never committed an offense more heinous than having subscribed to an unapproved periodical.

Its history is short and simple. On Sept. 22nd 18 years ago, Congress by a two-thirds vote made official Public Law 831. Now it is known as the Internal Security...(Source)







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There will be no NWO because as long as the OWO is in control nothing will change.

For a TRUE NWO to work, it would mean all the currenet dictators would have to give up power and bow to one world leader  THAT is not going to happen anytime soon....

A TRUE NWO one world government can ONLY work like the Star Trek Federation.... anything else would soon fall apart to the next dictator like Hitler that wants his own agenda.

The current Old World order has been doing business as usual since Justice Bush funded the Nazi along with Standard Oil and the Rockefellers. We have had two Bush presidents, Rockefeeler is still kicking after 5 heart transplants and Standard Oil is now Exxon...  There will be no NWO until we get rid of the OWO...
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And since the FBI just said they can not find anything to charge Hillary with... well the OWO is still as strong as ever.  I hope Donald Trump has a LOT of his own security to protect him...

All the bad press the NWO is getting is generated by the OWO so you will not 'get it' that we really need a Federation style NWO

Wake up people  you have been DUPED 

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So much has been suggested about the NWO, it maybe hard to actually define..

Yes it maybe that the Old World Order is still in play since the Nazis..

but after WW2 ..I think most may had thought it was defeated..and it may now depend upon ones opinion as to is it still around and similar...

or are things changing or changed ? or likely to be repeating.

When one looked at Europe..with the EU  that may have been seen as a type of NWO...from the previous generation in WW2.. where Europe became more bonded together as one rather than separate or opposing each other..

where ok you don't have just one leader...but you have several leaders in agreement to follow a new system..

In theory it could have possible better benefits if ran correctly..and fair...

Is the NWO a new system not just looking for one main leader...

Many of the thing with what the likes of Alex Jones describes maybe seen as what we think could be the NWO type of possible scenerio..

maybe more power and control over the masses..

The World Leaders may just be in a NWO system or maybe its just another suggestion to make us think that the Old World Order has changed when its not.

Alex Jones claimed many of the World Leaders where chosen and put in place  by the Elite...

It maybe hard to think Putin was put in power by them..and is Trump also part of their agenda ? even with Hilary getting of the hook..which was to be expected if she is part of the corrupt system..there was no way that they would charge her..

Maybe O.W.O could also be classed as ONE WORLD ORDER !  :P

QuoteThere will be no NWO because as long as the OWO is in control nothing will change.

For a TRUE NWO to work, it would mean all the currenet dictators would have to give up power and bow to one world leader  THAT is not going to happen anytime soon....

A TRUE NWO one world government can ONLY work like the Star Trek Federation.... anything else would soon fall apart to the next dictator like Hitler that wants his own agenda.

The current Old World order has been doing business as usual since Justice Bush funded the Nazi along with Standard Oil and the Rockefellers. We have had two Bush presidents, Rockefeeler is still kicking after 5 heart transplants and Standard Oil is now Exxon...  There will be no NWO until we get rid of the OWO...