World Opinion Of US

[Eighthman]

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160629/1042189100/poll-trump-putin-merkel-hillary.html

I have been expecting a plunge in global confidence in the US as a necessary step towards Disclosure. I will continue to pursue this hypothesis until events prove otherwise : the US is the obstacle preventing Disclosure - above all others.  At the same time,  Putin/China and the BRICS appear to be ascending in influence - the nations most favorable to Disclosure.  Perhaps this is my 'pareidolia'........perhaps not.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Disclosure is a pipe dream. It's just not going to happen. I believe that this reality is not the 'real' world that actually exists. Hence 'they' will only reveal what is necessary to their ends.

[robomont]

what kind of disclosure do you want. i think boyd bushman was pretty clear. as far as the tech, its all disclosed on peggy already.

[Eighthman]

I mean Disclosure as in a world leader holds a press conference and announces the existence of ET's - and religion and politics radically change after that.  It could even be the US President, if that gets triggered after a loss in US influence and control (so as to avoid mischief-making).

I can recall arguing that Russia/China was due for replacing the US in the near future, together with their Eurasian allies and being treated like I was nuts (on a different site). Today, that conclusion seems more obvious than ever. Not only is the US headed for political turmoil but I believe the US military is going to fall apart in the next seven years.  I can elaborate as to why.

Human history has gone wildly off track after 9/11. We had "Startrek", manned space flight from NASA, deepening civil rights, and a sense of justly being the 'world's policeman'.  All that has gone 'off the rails'.  We were heading towards Maturity as a sentient species and a bunch of Neo Cons wrecked it all.

If you like Biblical analogies, we have been found 'weighed in the balances and found wanting'. A new administration of earth is needed ......and on its way, I think.

[space otter]

imo
the human species is disintegrating into tribes.. 
the "you're not like me so you are bad/wrong/not to be trusted/to be illuminated mentality is becoming more and more prevalent
any disclosure on et's would be met by shooting them...so why would they want to  'arrive' in such a time frame?

NOT GONNA HAPPEN

think about it
if they are smart (or more advanced) they would prevent that from happening

as far as religion and politics changing.. it's already happening.. religion is more polarized and politics are going to dictatorships..
sadly for you and your dislike of the usa – it's still the best and free-ist in the bunch
might I suggest that you try living  elsewhere and see how far you get with trashing the place you live in
so I ask..what are you doing to make the usa and the world a better place..beside posting on forums  I mean
that is not meant as a jab but a polite inquiry

cause it's 'US" or no one to make the changes needed..if you are waiting for super heros from another place to show up
i think you will be  sadly just left waiting

[Eighthman]

It is NOT about ET's arriving as heroes.  It IS about maturity as a species.  Many of you are familiar with rumors about Solar Warden, Neil Armstrong and Eisenhower - which all have in common the thought that we are being watched - and limited- as a violent planet that is getting high technology and is irresponsible about using it. This applies to nuclear weapons in particular. 

As to the sad state of our country, there was a time when we could proudly look at rebuilding Europe and reshaping Japan as a democracy. Now, the policy is just wreckage of nations such as Libya, Syria, and so on.  The greatest threat to the US is that the media has been so successful in getting Americans to be blind to their own corruption.  It has been the habit for many years for Congress to pass bills without reading them ( such as Obamacare).   The police are now legally allowed to steal money - particularly from tourists ( a warning fact reported by CBC in Canada about civil forfeiture). The US puts a greater % of its citizens in prison than any nation on earth.

[robomont]

you are not seeing the big picture. the planet is one giant socialized system. its not capitalism like most think. its about keeping the masses minds busy to hold back the mob.
so then the next issue is apophis and its sisters. thats whats coming and you cant nuke titanium bullets the size of football fields. and theres a bunch of them headed for us. not just one. its a 3600 year cycle and the great flood was the last time it happened. the great pyramid was the first haarp tool and was used to create an ice age. this ice shield protected us and then melted to flood the earth. this is whats coming and the govs of the world are trying to balance out now with whats coming in 20 years.

if you want your wish on disclosure then fund my caduceus experiment, because it will bust the world religions wide open.
you want a super hero, well im it and in your face. a minor funding of a few hundred dollars and i will grant your wish.
the guys on pegasus know im not full of it and it really is within your grasp. i just got job and my caduceus should be done within just a few months. im putting the finishing touches on it now.
if you dont know of what i speak of. check out pegasus first experiment.

[space otter]

hey Robo
it's great to hear you sounding so well...makes me smile

hugs

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Eigthman

if you know all of this..what are you doing to change it to what you want?

i'm curious..cause mostly you are preachin to the choir as to what is wrong in the world
just sayin

[Eighthman]

Shoot me a link so I know what the heck you're talking about.   Investigating free energy is a big thing with me.

[robomont]

tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/22/robomonts-ufo-motor-notepad?page=13

this is my current location, starts out boring but cranks up fast, please read all 15 pages or you will miss some things.

i started it here on pegasus, so i also update that thread occasionally,. its called "pegasus first experiment". use search bar above to find it.
its been an experiment and learning process at same time. so it has speculation that turns to facts as experiment goes on.
it shows more than just the machine. it shows other side discoveries like living alien hybrids and history being redefined.

once the motor is operational, local news will pick it up and then it will go national, then world wide. it will have to because it cant be held back. it will go viral on the net, there is no doubt, this will then stimulate conversation on the side factors like aliens and religion, in a compound effect. it will shatter the gold market and bump the price of mercury. it will start a new industry in air craft and hiring across the nation. thats why its so important to finish. it will be a reset if my theory is correct. what you are hoping for.

[robomont]

hey Robo
it's great to hear you sounding so well...makes me smile

hugs

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Eigthman

if you know all of this..what are you doing to change it to what you want?

i'm curious..cause mostly you are preachin to the choir as to what is wrong in the world
just sayin

thankyou SO, ive had alot of struggles these last few years but i had some amazing things bring me up here lately also. i just got my first job in like 5 years, so funding for my experiments is going to improve. i conquered the porcelain process for the dropa stone, so as soon as i get 60 bucks. a complete stone should be fired in kiln in about 2 months. it took me about a year and half to get it refined to a productive model but as tale end of thread describes. im almost there. as long as it doesnt crack in kiln. lift off should be within days after baking. it may take off as soon as assembled, lol. i hope not as i dont want to lose my first model. ive attempted to build, like 10 dropa stones and i just now have a feasible way of making one. large ceramics are a pain but research has shown me that taking the ceramic slip and drying it to a clay consistency first, will keep it from cracking. them forming into ruff shape and drying completely. then fine sanding to perfection, then a slow fire over 3 days will mean success i believe. some minor welding touch up on lower unit and its off to races. i still have half a bottle of mercury that thor and deuem bought for me. so im good to go. i got a propane tank a friend gave me but i may not need fuel. the sun may activate it. ill just have to wait and see.

[ArMaP]

i started it here on pegasus, so i also update that thread occasionally,. its called "pegasus first experiment"

Here it is: First PEGASUS EXPERIMENT.

[A51Watcher]

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160629/1042189100/poll-trump-putin-merkel-hillary.html

I have been expecting a plunge in global confidence in the US as a necessary step towards Disclosure. I will continue to pursue this hypothesis until events prove otherwise : the US is the obstacle preventing Disclosure - above all others. 

I agree with the last statement only because the US is the only one with something TO disclose.

We have no evidence anywhere, that any other country has alien tech in their possession.

So what are they going to disclose? "Hey we have lots of official gun camera footage".

Been there done that.

Until you have actual hardware that breaks the law of physics and alien bodies to display, disclosure is going nowhere.

Prove me wrong if you can, I would love to see some evidence that any other country possesses such hardware/bodies.

[RUSSO]

Prove me wrong if you can, I would love to see some evidence that any other country possesses such hardware/bodies.

Hello A51Watcher, i dont know if this works for you as an "evidence", but the "Varginha Case" was one of the cases that have generated more controversy in Brazil, where ufologists involved sought to report the fall of an alien ship over the city that day, January 20, 1996 AND that part of its crew was taken by the authorities.

I will post some topics of the timeline and, if you interested, the link where you can read everything in-depth, at the end:

First sight of a strange creature. Source of information: a friend introduced Military witness, who cannot be named, to a UFO investigator. He was directly involved with the capture of the creature and gave a recorded statement on 14th February 1996.

Confirmation of information: Building worker, Henrique Jose, witnessed the capture from the roof of a house on which he had been working on 20th January 1996, approximately 200 yards from the scene. UFO investigators looking for new witnesses on 23rd February 1996 discovered him. Confirmation of information: Street fish seller, Joao Bosco Manuel, witness of the whole event of the capture by the military, came over one year later (22/01/97) when he revealed what he had seen in the morning of the 20th January 1996 to the investigators. January 20th 1996...

The military shot. Source of information: Exmilitary member, (now civilian) eyewitness and bridge of information from inside the military, where he still has friends (cannot be named). The witness decided to talk as he felt he was holding interesting information and the UFO investigators were working seriously on the subject (05/96). Confirmation and some details were given by a judicial authority (investigator's friend who cannot be named), after getting in contact with a police source while in a confraternity barbecue for the military (04/96)...

The secret services lost one man. Source of information: Military member who was contacted through someone trying to act as a middleman. As two major UFO investigators were working in Varginha, they were the military thought, the right people for keeping names from the public and paying good money for information. Corruption is a common thing in Brazil, dealing with military police. He didn't get the money as the investigators were supporting themselves on the research, and could not pay the asked sum of U$3000.00. He left only the top line, but no details. As the investigators went for more correlated information, they found the policeman's family. Confirmation: family of dead policeman, contacted in June 1996....

Busy Monday the military clearing off track and UFO investigators coming into the area. Source of information: two military men from E.S.A., contacted through a mutual friend, known to one of the investigators from their childhood together. The military men cannot be named for obvious reasons, but their statements given in April 1996 were of great importance to the understanding of the incident. 22nd January 1996.

At 09:30am, three camouflaged military trucks (Mercedes Benz model 1418), driven by soldiers, Cirilo, Vassalo and De Mello, left the army headquarters at E.S.A. going to Varginha, together with eight more in civilian vehicles driven by officials and secret service agents. Arriving at the avenue that leads to the centre, they al stopped and remained there, parked to one side, up till approximately 11:00am when they all returned to E.S.A. H.Q. The mission had failed. They appeared back at the same place at 14:00. The convoy leader, a VW van, left for the city centre, when another one parked on the lead.

The Intelligence Services were communicating by radio, controlling the operation and at the right moment in time, ordered the first lorry to go, driven by soldier Elber (in substitution of Soldier Cirilo). Shortly afterwards, the second left and in turn, the third went. The lorry drivers stopped at the 'Humanitas' Hospital and there waiting were the M.P. Forces and Fire Brigade – Lieutenant Colonel Olimpio Vanderlei in command.

The commotion was clear, doctors with their masks on, around 15 people wearing white overalls, all the military in civvies everybody was moving fast as the lorry reversed into the hospital by the side gate. The driver had no permission to leave the vehicle. People went up and down the covered lorry's back, and they had fixed hospital sheets to make a sort of tunnel between the lorry and the access room.

All three trucks did the same, controlled so that as one left, the other arrived. At one time, an open wooden box came from the room with a creature inside, apparently dead. It wasn't moving, it had dark brown oily skin, laying on its back it was easy to see the prominent abdomen and head, big open red eyes and big feet. The feet each seemed to consist of a V format, as if they were forkedin two long toes joined with a membrane.

There were three fingers on each hand and it was noticed that the knees were severely grazed and the creature omitted a terrible smell of ammonia. It was always accompanied by a doctor, who, just before he let them take it to the truck, made them stop and stand for a brief moment while he inserted forceps into the creatures little slit mouth and pulled a long black tongue out as a last check. When released, the tongue returned inside the mouth...

USA government officials and NASA personnel in Campines On 26th January 1996, US officials arrived at the 'Clinic Hospital', informers told, with the objective of "selecting Brazilian scientists for exchanging projects." Later, the US staff Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, came 'to sign agreements between the two countries for the common use of outer space', which was supposed to warrant the idea of one day sending a Brazilian astronaut into space. Also, visiting Brazil for the first time, was the NASA General Administrator, Daniel Goldin, 'to sign agreements with the INPE (Instituto National de Pesquisa Espacial/Spacial Research National Institute).

Why did these important visitors choose this time to visit? What could be behind the government cover? Did they come for the routine agreements that are usually signed by their subordinates? Contradiction was also apparent when investigators interviewed Adilson Usier Leite about the commotion at the hospitals in Varginha. He claimed the reason for this was...

Corrupt soldier under arrest just before selling evidence At the beginning of March, to the amazement of the press and UFO investigators, a local press editor (SBT), received a call from the military saying that for U$30,000.00 they could have 6 photographs and a recorded film of the creature. The reporter asked for three hours to obtain authorisation from his director. The military called back to bring the deal down to a lower price of U$10,000. They arranged a meeting that same night. A soldier of about 20, arrived looking tense and explained that they needed to have a second meeting as his colleague, who had the material, was having problems with his family about
handing the evidence over to the press. His parents were scared of what could happen later as a punishment, and his father was also military.

He said the pictures show a creature with goggle eyes, oily skin, thick veins, two nostrils, no nose and a very small mouth. It was horrible and he could sleep after seeing such a thing. He added that the creature was in a closed room, tied up on what looked like a table and covered with a sheet. He was so nervous, that the reporter did not think that he was making that up. The second meeting did not happen. The military called later, even more nervous and agitated, saying that unfortunately they had to cancel the deal as his colleague had been arrested and they material was taken. His own father had told the E.S.A. officials to stop him...

UFO wave around Varginha February 1996 / March 1996: As the investigators tried to find out more about the creatures, they met people who had witnessed UFO's around the area. Because they didn't know if these sightings were correlated to the case, they were recorded separately. They started to happen about 25 days after the girls' sighting and the investigators assessed them to be genuine. All of the witnesses did not want to be made public and some did not wish to be identified...

April 1996 The creatures have chosen another place: the zoo Varginhas' zoo is situated no more than half a mile from the place where the creatures first appeared, but nothing unusual had happened there until the week of 15th20th April 1996 when five healthy animals died suddenly and mysteriously. Two deer and three...

Full read here: http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk/VarginhaDairy.html

Some more links with more info:

http://www.ovni.ch/guest/bourdais2.htm
http://www.rense.com/general62/var.htm
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case498.htm

2 google translated links from brazilian sites that brings new info (2016) about the case:
https://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufo.com.br%2Fartigos%2Fnovas-revelacoes-agitaram-varginha
https://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fg1.globo.com%2Fmg%2Fsul-de-minas%2Fnoticia%2F2016%2F01%2Fet-de-varginha-tentaram-acobertar-verdade-diz-ufologo-marcos-petit.html

And of course, with all that said, We can never rule out the fact that the evidence was probably confiscated and/or exchanged with the Brazilian government for some few combs, mirrors and axes

[Eighthman]

Many of you see Disclosure differently than I do.   "Proof" in this world is often a matter of authority, not actual evidence.  Get a government involved and anything can be denied or confirmed, regardless of the truth - and that, to me, is where the situation probably lies.   The US as global hegemon has this locked down- until the coming Eurasian alliance can dictate otherwise.

As to Disclosure,  I can see possible stages:

1) we found evidence of past primitive life outside of earth ( Martian Disclosure-lite)
2) we found evidence of past animal life
3) we found evidence of present life
4) we have proof of external intelligent life and and we don't know anything more than that
5)Full Contact

As to robomont, I can only say You Better Know What You're Doing if you're playing with mercury.  It can be absorbed in ways you don't expect.  I think you need a huge data dump from some insider before you start building a T-3B or Vimana.  Like a whole lotta specs and parameters.