http://finance.yahoo.com/m/aa241d6c-f8ee-3532-b8b0-bd7fc9acf567/goldman-sachs-says-stay-away.html
Goldman Sachs says 'stay away from the stock market' for the next 3 months. As if some big event happens in 3 months, whose coming is distorting stock prices higher, right now. As if some Powerful Set Of Moneyed Interests is creating a false image of prosperity so that the American people are deceived into thinking that the US is 'still great' - and makes a Great Choice Accordingly.
Got a 401K? Caveat Emptor
Sorry to reply to my own post but....
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-earnings-valuation-confusion-000000604.html
Reports that the market makes no sense. It makes no sense unless you figure out what's happening....
guess that's what they call a conspiracy theory
i see the hillary hate here and have no objections to anyone's thoughts, ideas or emotions or beliefs
but i hope before you vote (if you do) you do your due diligence on BOTH
Both Hillary and Trump are liars and cheats. Anybody disagree with that?
Here's the critical point: we have 4 candidates for President. 3 of them condemn pointless wars And The Remaining Candidate Does Not! The US is now risking WW3 as well as its own economic ruin by wasteful wars and hostility.
Hillary's track record on war is horrible. I believe Trump in rejecting NATO, Korea and poking Russia for 2 reasons. 1) big cuts to the military are all that's left to pay for infrastructure, etc and 2) Trump is risking his health and life by threatening the military-industrial complex. (as with JFK and 9/11) - which suggests credibility.
President Eisenhower was afraid the US would become "an insolvent phantom" because of too much militarism. That's where we're headed.
Quote from: Eighthman on August 02, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Both Hillary and Trump are liars and cheats. Anybody disagree with that?
What a choice. I can't disagree.
yeah that's what i've been saying.. yuk to both
but right now after watching him i don't think he is playing with folks anymore.. i think he believes everything he says..look who his idiots (edit.. i meant idols lol ) are.. dictators of russia and n korea
he doesn't want to govern he wants to rule..so no vote for him (speaking only for myself)
todays batch from huff post..go there if you need to read any further
Why Trump Is Uniquely Unqualified To Speak About Service And Sacrifice... Military Heavyweights Hammer Trump... Vets In Congress Tighten Screws On Paul Ryan: Revoke Endorsement... Trump Claims Khizr Khan Was Mad About His Tough On Terror Positions... Has Trump Gone Too Far?... Campaign Pleads With Congress For Support In Khan Attacks...
Trump 'Afraid The Election Is Going To Be Rigged'
POLL PAIN: Trump Struggles After Conventions...
Donald Trump: 'I'm Afraid The Election Is Going To Be Rigged'
Desperate Trump Campaign Turns To Congress For Support In Attacks Against Khan Family
Military Mom Booed For Questioning Trump's Attack On Khan Family
Donald Trump Calls Hillary Clinton 'The Devil'
but this one is first person
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hired-me-as-an-attorneyplease-dont_us_579e52dee4b00e7e269fb30f?section=&
I Was An Attorney For Trump. Trust Me, You Don't Want Him As President.
Thomas M. Wells
Attorney and businessman with offices in NJ and Vermont and ho.
but this quote alone is enough to scare the bejebers outta me cause he believes it
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters/
Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters
if that alone doesn't scare you..
Quote from: Pimander on August 02, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
What a choice. I can't disagree.
I disagree! We do have the proof that Hillary is a liar - I have not see any proof that Trump is a LIAR?? What is he lying about with what he has said? I am not going to get into a back-and-forth on this, but some of the above statements about Trump are not factual either, relative to Russia, and to the military being reduced. Trump has not rejected NATO, he simply has said that all NATO countries need to be paying their fair share!! Trump is not talking about "cuts in military - rather he is talking about rebuilding the military that has been "wasted" by the current administration. :) :)
No, Trump wasn't my guy either in the primaries, but he for sure is the right choice now for this country in the coming Presidential elections - unless you are ready for Shira Law to be the law of our land, with Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QuoteI am not going to get into a back-and-forth on this
too late
Quote from: rdunk on August 02, 2016, 05:16:25 PM
I disagree! We do have the proof that Hillary is a liar - I have not see any proof that Trump is a LIAR??
Trump said he is close to Putin right? He has never met the guy. He is a liar.
Quote from: Pimander on August 02, 2016, 06:35:43 PM
Trump said he is close to Putin right? He has never met the guy. He is a liar.
I say, "I am "close" to a few people I have met here" - do you think that to be a lie too??
Quote from: Pimander on August 02, 2016, 06:35:43 PM
Trump said he is close to Putin right? He has never met the guy. He is a liar.
not necessarily. Being close can mean a lot of things. Business is business...
I'm close to Dr. Joe Resnick, but I've never met him...does that make me a liar?
it's perspective....
no apologizes what so ever on your disillusionment.. but then you probably won't beleive anything.. cause the white men good old boys club is well represented here and will probably come back with some cover for him..like he's just misunderstood :(
bet no one reads it
but still check out the
number of sources
this is just the putin thing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/08/01/lies-lies-and-more-lies/
By Jennifer Rubin August 1
Lies, lies and more lies
On Sunday, Donald Trump denied that he had any relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview with ABC News.
Trump added his previous talk of him having a relationship with Putin was just the two saying nice things about each other.
"I don't know what it means by having a relationship," Trump added. "I mean, he was saying very good things about me. But I don't have a relationship with him."
In 2014, during a speech at CPAC[,] Trump, though, boasted about meeting with Putin's advisers — even receiving a gift and personal note from Putin during the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. . . .
In 2013, Trump told MSNBC he had a relationship with Putin. Mother Jones posted video last week of Trump saying he talked "indirectly and directly" with Putin in a 2014 press conference.
Trump also repeatedly said in the GOP presidential debates that he got to know Putin when both were on 60 Minutes. Now he says he wouldn't know him from Adam (considering he doesn't know Russia troops are in the Crimea, the last part might be true).
As with so many things, the question for Donald Trump is: Was he lying then or lying now? It's equally likely he was lying back in 2013 and 2014 to make himself sound more important as it is that he is lying now to avoid sounding too chummy with the authoritarian he openly admires and consistently praises.
Meanwhile, Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort asserts the Trump team never did anything to take out of the platform support for defensive arms to Ukraine. My colleague Josh Rogin reports otherwise and says Manafort is lying. I'm going with Josh's version on this one — as should any sentient being.
Trump says he got a letter from the NFL pleading with him to reschedule the debates. The NFL says there was no letter. In the absence of, well, the letter, I'll believe the NFL on this one.
Trump repeatedly said he would release his tax returns. Then he said he couldn't because some years were being audited. No, he's produced no audit letter nor logically explained why he couldn't release some years' returns. Now he says Mitt Romney lost because of his tax returns, suggesting that he just doesn't want to release them because the demands for the returns are less painful than releasing what is in the returns.
A boastful billionaire who says he's been super generous to charity, you'd think, wouldn't mind showing us just how rich and generous he is. Trump, a raving narcissist, however won't let them out. I'm going with the theory they show he's not so rich, not so generous and very good at paying little or no tax.
He lied about giving all that money to veterans' charities — until The Post's reporting forced him to cough up some money. The Post's reporting says he has not given a dime to charity since 2008. He claims to have given "anonymously." No recipients offered to come forward at the convention or anywhere else. Given that Trump brags incessantly about his charitable giving, there should be loads of beneficiaries, so I'll go with the theory he's not been charitable at all since 2008.
Trump lied, saying that it wasn't his voice on a tape pretending to be his own publicist, even though in the past he said he would do this sort of thing.
He lied about seeing widespread celebrations by American Muslims on 9/11. He lies about what Hillary Clinton is proposing (e.g. "repeal the Second Amendment," "open borders"). He lies when caught saying something objectionable (e.g. his ear piece wasn't working).
No wonder he's gotten 4 Pinocchios from The Post — 33 times. Perhaps we should instead start keeping track of the times he tells the truth. It would be less work.
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Lyin' Donald: 101 Of Trump's Greatest Lies | Daily Wire
www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien
Apr 11, 2016 - When Politico attempted to measure how many lies Trump told over the .... March 8: Lying about how much was spent in one week against him: ...
A fact checker looked into 158 things Donald Trump said. 78 percent ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../donald-trump-has-been-wrong...The Washington Post
Jul 1, 2016 - 78 percent of fact-checked Trump statements have been rated Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire. ... Which is fine. But numbers don't lie.
Of the 158 Trump claims that PolitiFact has checked out, 95 have been rated either "False" or "Pants on Fire." That's 60 percent of all Trump claims. As PolitiFact notes, if you include the Trump statements rated "mostly false" in that group, 78 percent of all of Trump's fact-checked claims have been scored "mostly false" or worse.
That's not even the most amazing fact in the PolitiFact report. That honor goes to this: "Trump has more statements rated Pants on Fire, 30, than the 21 other candidates for president we've fact-checked this cycle combined." Ben Carson comes in second in "Pants on Fire" ratings -- with four!
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15 Hours of Donald Trump's Lies
Daily Beast? - 17 hours ago
15 Hours of Donald Trump's Lies ... last week and, in doing so, pointedly criticized Trump's .........
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/29/donald-trump-lies-this-week-russia-ted-cruz-dnc
Donald Trump's Week of Lies, Outrages, Broken Promises, and Shady ...
reason.com/blog/2016/07/29/donald-trumps-week-of-lies-outrages-brok
4 days ago - The GOP candidate's bizarre but revealing counter-programing to the DNC.
The 5 Biggest Lies in Donald Trump's Hillary Attack Speech | Alternet
www.alternet.org/election-2016/debunking-biggest-lies-trumps-speech
AlterNet
Trump retreats from claim that NFL sent letter regarding debates ...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../trump-retreats-from-claim-that-n...
Profootballtalk.com
2 days ago - Presidential candidate Donald Trump doesn't like the fact that two of the three scheduled debates conflict with NFL prime-time games.
Debate Committee Rebuffs Donald Trump's Complaints of N.F.L. ...
www.nytimes.com/2016/.../donald-trump-debate-nfl-conflict.htmlThe New York Times
2 days ago - The Commission on Presidential Debates released a statement saying it had started planning the debate schedule 18 months ago and that it ...
The NFL Calls Trump Out on ANOTHER Lie | RedState
www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/07/30/nfl-calls-trump-another-lie/
RedState
3 days ago - Donald Trump appears to have been caught in another lie, and this time it's the NFL calling him out on it. Earlier today, he made headlines ...
yeah i know it's obama but he's right..imo of courseTrump's gaffes aren't "episodic," Obama said.
"This is daily and weekly where they are distancing themselves from statements he's making," he said. "There has to be a point at which you say this is not somebody I can support for president of the United States."
to me when he said that McCain wasn't a hero because he got captured really got under my skin
and his 4th deferment from sevice for heel spurs when he played 3 sports..but i guess that was just being rich not anything else
just distasteful rich guy crap but not lieshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-military_us_579f6933e4b0e2e15eb66f92?section=&
Why Donald Trump Is Uniquely Unqualified To Speak About Military Service And Sacrifice
Below are some of the most controversial claims Trump has made about the military ? his own experiences and those of others.
Trump claimed that his military prep school was just like going to war.
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Trump managed to evade a nationwide draft during the Vietnam War.
According to D'Antonio's book The Truth About Trump, here's what happened.
"I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number," [Trump] told a TV interviewer in 2011. "I'll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life." In fact the lottery was not a factor in his experience. It didn't occur until fourteen months after he received his medical exemption [for heel spurs], and eighteen months after he'd left Penn.
When reporters asked Trump about the medical deferment earlier this year, he couldn't recall which foot had the bone spurs.
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Trump once compared his own efforts to avoid sexually transmitted diseases to the Vietnam War.
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.Trump claims he's given away millions of dollars of his own money to Vietnam and Iraq war veterans. But his refusal to release his tax returns makes this impossible to confirm.
As a co-chairman of the New York Vietnam Veterans Memorial Commission in 1985, Trump took credit for the construction of a 90,000-square-foot plaza, completed that year. But Trump's fellow commissioners said he had "been to only two or three out of 20 meetings," according to a November 1984 report in the Washington Post.
When the Post presented Trump with those allegations, he responded by playing down the military service of others involved in the initiative.
"That's interesting. I'll resign then," said Trump. "They're very small thinkers. They're stockbrokers that were in Vietnam and they don't have it."
The Vietnam Veterans Plaza eventually named Trump its 2008 honoree of the year, citing the businessman's $1 million contribution to the project.
A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign did not reply to a request from HuffPost for documentation of Trump's $1 million for the Vietnam Veterans Plaza.
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Trump lobbied for years to have homeless veterans kicked out of their vendors' stalls on Fifth Avenue.
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Trump's business ventures have violated laws intended to protect service members from discrimination due to their military service.
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yeah not a lie but totally ignorant yet this is a guy you would defend because his rival is femalTrump mocked the sacrifice of one of America's most admired veterans.
In 2015, Trump mocked Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for being shot down over North Vietnam in 1967. As a prisoner of war, McCain spent five years in prison, where he was subjected to torture that left him physically scarred to this day.
"He's a war hero because he was captured," Trump said. "I like people who weren't captured".
Trump bragged about his personal contribution of $1 million to veterans groups for months. But he hadn't actually contributed anything.
:( :( :(
edit to add
Z..sorry this should all be in the politic section..instead of the main board...
and as opinionated as i am i will try to refrain from continuing..minds are already made up
and we don't need an un-civil war of words
Quote from: rdunk on August 02, 2016, 08:35:08 PM
I say, "I am "close" to a few people I have met here" - do you think that to be a lie too??
You are not close to them though are you? Yes, that's a lie.
He also disagrees with the American Constitution. Is that OK with you?
this is today..every day it's something else..
i do not want this man running my country
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-blasts-rigged-system-and-crying-baby/ar-BBv9Fcn?li=BBnb7Kz
Trump blasts 'rigged system' and crying baby
USA TODAY USA TODAY
David Jackson
4 hrs ago
he's a self promoting cry baby and is already calling the election rigged
wow what if he would win.. then what would he say
and he doesn't want the general press at his functions.. just the ones he picks..now who does that sound like to you
stomping my foot cause i really really do care.. going to my garden
can Obama get in to have a few digs too ? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16KtYaTooQU
funbox
Quote from: space otter on August 02, 2016, 11:26:55 PM
and he doesn't want the general press at his functions.. just the ones he picks..now who does that sound like to you
He doesn't believe in a free press either? Surprise surprise. ::)
Quote from: rdunk on August 02, 2016, 05:16:25 PM
I have not see any proof that Trump is a LIAR??
OK, here we go then...
QuoteIn a 2011 interview with a Fox News channel in New York, Mr Trump spoke of the "amazing" moment as a college student when he was given a " a very, very high number" in the Vietnam draft lottery, which, he said, effectively ruled out his being sent to serve.
But, as a New York Times article now highlights, that lottery actually happened long after Mr Trump had finished his final round of studies at the Wharton School of Finance. Moreover, the medical classification he had received because of the bone spur, known as a 1-Y, meant he was disqualified anyway, rendering the number he received in the lottery draw - high or low - irrelevant.
"For all practical purposes, once you got the 1-Y, you were free and clear of vulnerability for the draft, even in the case of the lottery," Richard Flahavan, a spokesman for the Selective Service System, the US military conscription agency, told the paper.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-s-feud-with-khan-family-cast-in-awkward-new-light-as-vietnam-war-draft-dodge-comes-a7168456.html
That would be called a lie. (i.e. not true)
When people get horrified by Trump, I see that as an advantage. The country needs radical change but must guard against tyranny. In this Trump is clearly self limiting (whether he likes it or not!). A Mussolini wannabe in PC Land doesn't work.
OK, follow me here.... is it possible that we have witnessed an era of horrors by Neo Con psychopaths because Obama is such a feeble and ineffective President? Could it be that second string Warmongers (Breedlove, Kagans) have been running wild with no restraint while the President does nothing more than give speeches and go golfing?
Think about Reagan and Iran Contra - while the media concealed his Alzheimers. A similar situation could have existed with Bush - except they let him think he was really in charge, ("I'm the Decider").
Fast forward to Jan. 2016. A mean spirited, ineffective, elderly woman becomes President - who can't use a computer or fax machine and is careless with security. Any second string independence gets slapped down out of angry jealousy. There is no money for infrastructure, universal healthcare or jobs and the economy is too weak for new taxes (which Republicans won't allow, anyway). Maybe she uses any excuse to dump NATO and Korea.
Eighthman
yes we do need serious changes i agree on a lot of those points
But my objection is solely with the person running
.. the individual
he is not fit to either initiate or carry out those changes
because of his personality
if he were a trustworthy individual
and not
the rich egotist, racist, misogynist, serial liar and person who incites violence of anyone he thinks is against him
then i would say it was a good start..
Observation on the 3 months, look for manipulations
before the election. As always, humans not need
to apply. You can not compete with the computer
trading programs....
Observation on candidates, if Hillary were in jail
as anyone else who did what she did would be,
how could she run for POTUS from jail?
Quote from: rdunk on August 02, 2016, 08:35:08 PM
I say, "I am "close" to a few people I have met here" - do you think that to be a lie too??
Whoops - that was supposed to say ""I am "close" to a few people here who I have "never met"............- oh well! :o :o
Regardless
QuoteIn a 2011 interview with a Fox News channel in New York, Mr Trump spoke of the "amazing" moment as a college student when he was given a " a very, very high number" in the Vietnam draft lottery, which, he said, effectively ruled out his being sent to serve.
But, as a New York Times article now highlights, that lottery actually happened long after Mr Trump had finished his final round of studies at the Wharton School of Finance. Moreover, the medical classification he had received because of the bone spur, known as a 1-Y, meant he was disqualified anyway, rendering the number he received in the lottery draw - high or low - irrelevant.
"For all practical purposes, once you got the 1-Y, you were free and clear of vulnerability for the draft, even in the case of the lottery," Richard Flahavan, a spokesman for the Selective Service System, the US military conscription agency, told the paper.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-s-feud-with-khan-family-cast-in-awkward-new-light-as-vietnam-war-draft-dodge-comes-a7168456.html
That would be called a lie. (i.e. not true)
well H isn't shouting to kill her opponent but the trumpet folks are being poked at to be violent and intolerant
real civilized, huh
my real fear is that whoever wins the election the problems will be huge
the animosity is that great
and i think if you want to see what could happen look at what is going on in turkey right now
look to turkey to see what happens when a "elected" official has zealous opposition and the country goes into more of a dictatorship or if it had gone the other way.. military take over
cause if you think for one tiny moment that the military in this country after being so
maligned by T will let him rule..think again
so even though you guys think i am crazy to even think about a vote to H.. that is why i think it will be a better choice at this time.. but i still think we are looking at a very uncivil war hopefully it will only be words that are tossed because there is already enough hatred of others in this country
so my fellow posters i embrace your difference and hope you will find it in your hearts to embrace those who don't feel the same as you
because we are truly all in this together
HUGS
edit to add this as i just read it
so do you need another reason not to vote for the trumpet?...we are so screwed
get your shelters ready
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scarborough-trump-nukes_us_57a1e47ae4b0693164c347d0
Joe Scarborough: Donald Trump Repeatedly Asked Why We Couldn't Use Nukes
If this is true, it's truly shocking.
08/03/2016 09:29 am ET | Updated 34 minutes ago
Donald Trump repeatedly asked an unnamed foreign policy expert why the U.S. couldn't use its nuclear weapons stockpile during a national security briefing earlier this year, MSNBC "Morning Joe" co-host Joe Scarborough said Wednesday.
Scarborough told the anecdote amid an interview with former CIA director Michael Hayden, who said he could not see himself voting for the "inconsistent" and "dangerous" GOP nominee. Asked if he was aware of anyone among his peers who was advising Trump, Hayden said "no one."
"I'll have to be very careful here," Scarborough said. "Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on international level went to advise Donald Trump, and three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons. Three times he asked, at one point, if we have them, why can't we use them? That's one of the reasons he just doesn't have foreign policy experts around him. Three times, in an hour briefing, why can't we use nuclear weapons."
Watch the exchange above, starting at the 5:40 mark.
Scarborough learned of the exchange "in the last few days," according to an MSNBC executive.
Quote from: space otter on August 03, 2016, 04:06:52 PM
"I'll have to be very careful here," Scarborough said. "Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on international level went to advise Donald Trump, and three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons. Three times he asked, at one point, if we have them, why can't we use them? That's one of the reasons he just doesn't have foreign policy experts around him. Three times, in an hour briefing, why can't we use nuclear weapons."
Truly frightening.
If you guys vote him in then you may be the death of us all. I'm all for shaking up the establishment but there are better people to do that. ::)
ETA: If it isn't true then Trump would sue their asses!
Oh, look !
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-03/stock-market-has-predicted-outcome-presidential-elections-86-accuracy
The very point I sought to make ! They pump up the market until Hillary wins.
There is a dark possibility that Hillary is the best choice Because She Could Be A Traitor (for Russia). Has she been compromised by Russian hackers who now have incriminating emails? Putin does not need any active cooperation from the US to create a Eurasian alliance, just get out of the way! While the foolish US media puts a microscope on Trump, the evidence for her treacherous behavior is barely even reported much less investigated - by Republicans who secretly support her. ( Assange asserted that she supported ISIS with weapons). The US war against Japan may have triggered by a highly placed Soviet agent who sabotaged negotiations that would have prevented the war. It can happen.......
To me, the hope of a new Eurasian alliance, "from Lisbon to Vladivostok" represents the best hope for world peace in generations. Go Vlad!
whats up with Hillary tongue ? all those lies finally burnt a hole through it ? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKhmquE_ik
and why did the person making this video make it 45 mins long ?
funbox
To ease fears that either candidate might nuke us,
The Gold Codes require the Secretary of Defense
to act accordingly, POTUS can not do it alone.
Quote from: burntheships on August 04, 2016, 12:52:45 AM
To ease fears that either candidate might nuke us,
The Gold Codes require the Secretary of Defense
to act accordingly, POTUS can not do it alone.
You mean THESE GUYS? They were not to happy witn Obama at that last state of the Union speech
(http://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/snaps-about-pbs-newshour-state-of-the-union-on-pbs-newshour_9t-1.gif)
Quote from: Pimander on August 03, 2016, 06:41:57 PM
Truly frightening.
If you guys vote him in then you may be the death of us all. I'm all for shaking up the establishment but there are better people to do that. ::)
No there are NOT We either vote Trump in and take our chances or we let them put Hillary in and we are all screwed :P
There is no other choice because Americans are too stupid and apathetic to EVER do anything about it
I wouldn't even call it an election. The entire thing is rigged right from the start. When you have electronic voting anything goes. You don't see that your vote might only count as a fraction and the percentages can be flipped to either candidate to make a predictable outcome. This is just another reality show that really sucks. It's about who can be the most popular. How many people are actually going to vote for these people based on what they are going to do for you and not who is the least worst for the country? The US has had Skull & Bones members in power longer than I can remember. It doesn't matter if you had a person up there that was completely sane and would do only good things for the country they would still probably lose by a narrow margin because that is what the predetermined outcome is programmed into the voting machines. BAN THE MACHINES!!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-election-shocker-is-this-how-the-vote-will-be-rigged.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-election-shocker-is-this-how-the-vote-will-be-rigged.html)
Hillary is Nixon in drag but without his bold opportunism. I think we are one recession away from riots and breakdown of major cities. There can be no question that several states will go bankrupt, fashioned one way or another (Illinois, for example)
To me the key is that there needs to be some obstacle created to prevent WW3 until the US Empire dies of natural causes. How many US politicians know about a 15 point plan in the Kremlin to defeat the US, once and for all (Sergei Glazyev).? Like the old empires of Europe, we will be far better off as a republic than an empire, wasting resources being the world's policeman.
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No there are NOT We either vote Trump in and take our chances or we let them put Hillary in and we are all screwed :P
There is no other choice because Americans are too stupid and apathetic to EVER do anything about it
zorgon you're not even a u.s. citizen you're here on a green card
please erase my membership
wishing you all a good rest of your life
Quote from: zorgon on August 04, 2016, 10:05:06 AM
No there are NOT We either vote Trump in and take our chances or we let them put Hillary in and we are all screwed :P
Yes, that is an absolute and irrefutable fact of the 2 present candidates!! Hillary's past actions and her promises for the future, if elected, make such terrible results very clear. Trump is "promising" to try to deal with many of the very serious issues with which this country now faces, and to deal with them in a way that is good for we the people and for our country - from border walls to building back our military! Hillary is pretty much inept, while Trump is a very successful CEO/owner of multiple private significant business ventures.
We know what we will have with Hillary, and that is a totally untenable circumstance for this country!!! Trump on the other hand "could be" (??) one of the better Presidents ever for our country. And even if not at the better level, he will still be so far beyond better than Hillary there is absolutely no question of who deserves our vote in November!!
And with that said, I am was and still am a Cruz guy! But, in voting, we should do what we need to do for this country, for us, and for the future of our kids and grandkids - TRUMP ALL THE WAY!! :)) :))
https://www.independentsentinel.com/lest-we-forget-hillarys-china-gate-scandal/
Ho-hum....yet another scandal from the Clintons, now forgotten, buried amidst countless other outrages.
Since foreign governments can purchase politicians, just like corporations, could US warmaking be restrained by this legalized bribery? Maybe Russia should just come up with the money and live in peace.
Quote from: zorgon on August 04, 2016, 10:05:06 AM
No there are NOT We either vote Trump in and take our chances or we let them put Hillary in and we are all screwed :P
Good luck with that lol
If you want a liar who doesn't even agree with your constitution as President then your Nation deserves one.
there are none so blind as those who refuse to see
The New York Times The New York Times
By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER
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Hillary Clinton has fueled a debate over whether her rival for the presidency, Donald J. Trump, is fit to command America's atomic forces. "Imagine him in the Oval Office facing a real crisis," she said in her address at the Democratic convention last week. "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons."
This portrayal has become such an issue in the campaign that President Obama was asked about it at a news conference on Thursday, where he echoed Mrs. Clinton's concerns. Her charge raises a question: Is there any check on a president's power to launch nuclear arms that could destroy entire cities or nations?
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If the United States appeared to be under nuclear assault, the president would have minutes to decide whether the threat was real, and to fire as many as 925 nuclear warheads with a destructive force greater than 17,000 Hiroshima bombs, according to estimates by Hans M. Kristensen, the director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, a private group in Washington.
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Trump's volatility is obvious. Hillary is dangerous and the corrupt media don't report it.
http://www.govtslaves.info/the-truth-about-hillarys-bizarre-behavior/
Quote from: Ellirium113 on August 04, 2016, 12:44:34 PM
The US has had Skull & Bones members in power longer than I can remember. It doesn't matter if you had a person up there that was completely sane and would do only good things for the country they would still probably lose by a narrow margin because that is what the predetermined outcome is programmed into the voting machines. BAN THE MACHINES!!!
Agreed, even with DHS looking over it now supposedly,
this is not a secure mechanics for recording votes.
To easy to program with a small percentage of flip,
or hacking vulnerabilities.
Is there any possibility that intelligence people/old style military types could swing the election for Trump?
Quote from: Eighthman on August 06, 2016, 03:19:47 AM
Is there any possibility that intelligence people/old style military types could swing the election for Trump?
Why? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on August 06, 2016, 01:31:43 PM
Why? ???
cause she's the devil ?
(http://i.imgur.com/q1komQk.gif)
funbox
WHY? Oh, gee, I don't know....
a gay, transgendered military
endless expensive, pointless wars that the US is losing
Saudi Arabia gets away with 9/11 as if it was a minor, irrelevant event
some people may be familiar with world history in which overextended empires collapse
Quote from: Eighthman on August 06, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
endless expensive, pointless wars that the US is losing
Trump? Can bait him with a tweet? ::)
Quote from: Eighthman on August 06, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
WHY? Oh, gee, I don't know....
a gay, transgendered military
endless expensive, pointless wars that the US is losing
Saudi Arabia gets away with 9/11 as if it was a minor, irrelevant event
some people may be familiar with world history in which overextended empires collapse
Sorry, but your explanation didn't make things clearer for me. ???
Quote from: Pimander on August 05, 2016, 12:28:53 PM
Good luck with that lol
If you want a liar who doesn't even agree with your constitution as President then your Nation deserves one.
I very seriously doubt that voters put anyone in office now days. The whole show is nothing but that they have already made their choices.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 06, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
Sorry, but your explanation didn't make things clearer for me. ???
for someone who doesn't like Lying ArMaP, im surprised at your support ? for Clintons , there's a considerable list of shenanigans , you must have herd them by now.. what is wrong with Euronews? do they not cover storey from across the Atlantic ?:D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 01:32:56 PM
cause she's the devil ?
(http://i.imgur.com/q1komQk.gif)
funbox
You give to much credit, she is a small lil devils helper that's all, maybe trying to move up so they can call her Legion!
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 05:59:33 PM
for someone who doesn't like Lying ArMaP, im surprised at your support ? for Clintons , there's a considerable list of shenanigans , you must have herd them by now.. what is wrong with Euronews? do they not cover storey from across the Atlantic ?:D
Well, I'm not surprised with your distortions of what I say, as it's your usual way of doing things. ::)
Where did I support anyone?
Quote from: ArMaP on August 06, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
Well, I'm not surprised with your distortions of what I say, as it's your usual way of doing things. ::)
Where did I support anyone?
I guess you missed the question mark, but your avoidance s telling.. how would you prefer to see things unfold?
can the election be nulled , and a serious impartial investigation into practices in government be undertook ? all federal and state governments investigated? the Mod ? ..
I doubt it :D .. America sadly, is caught between two very hard Stones
funbox
Quote from: Dyna on August 06, 2016, 06:04:41 PM
You give to much credit, she is a small lil devils helper that's all, maybe trying to move up so they can call her Legion!
Adramlech >?+/> Emlek > Satan? theologically all the same polarity :D but I see your anthropomorphic point :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
I guess you missed the question mark
I didn't, and I didn't miss that you didn't have any reason to even think that I was supporting either side, so even as a question it was completely unnecessary and it looks like you, again, wrote your post that way to make it look like I was saying something I wasn't, something that you do with too much frequency for my liking.
Quotebut your avoidance s telling..
Avoidance of what, your attempts at making me look like something I'm not?
Quotehow would you prefer to see things unfold?
Is there even a choice?
Quotecan the election be nulledand a serious impartial investigation into practices in government be undertook ? all federal and state governments investigated? the Mod ? ..
I doubt it :D .. America sadly, is caught between two very hard Stones
The biggest problem is that the whole world is largely affected by the excessive power the US has, so the election of the US president affects the whole world.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 06, 2016, 07:06:24 PM
I didn't, and I didn't miss that you didn't have any reason to even think that I was supporting either side,
QuoteIs there any possibility that intelligence people/old style military types could swing the election for Trump?
QuoteWhy? ???
the four questionmarks .. where they in response to these people voting that way , or did you infer that these people were to interfere in the election somehow ?
funbox
Quote from: ArMaP on August 06, 2016, 07:06:24 PM
Quotecan the election be nulled and a serious impartial investigation into practices in government be undertook ? all federal and state governments investigated? the Mod ? ..
I doubt it :D .. America sadly, is caught between two very hard Stones
The biggest problem is that the whole world is largely affected by the excessive power the US has, so the election of the US president affects the whole world.
how is your response here, relative to what I proposed?
funbox
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 07:08:40 PM
what do you mean ?
What I mean is that I stopped thinking a long time ago that whoever is chosen as president of the US is the one really deciding what to do in the real important things that affect the US and the world, there are too many powerful people/organisations/corporations/whatever lobbying (or worse) for things to go according to their plans.
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 07:14:22 PM
the four questionmarks
There was only one question mark and the "Huh" smiley, not four question marks.
Quotewhere they in response to these people voting that way , or did you infer that these people were to interfere in the election somehow ?
It was only a question, stop trying to see things that aren't there.
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 07:39:46 PM
how is your response here, relative to what I proposed?
You were proposing any thing? I didn't understood that, I was only agreeing that the US is between two hard stones, and the rest of the world too.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 06, 2016, 07:43:57 PM
There was only one question mark and the "Huh" smiley, not four question marks.
It was only a question, stop trying to see things that aren't there.
no ArMap, there are four, and there is no emoticon after the four...Mandela effect ?????
funbox
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 07:51:12 PM
no ArMap, there are four, and there is no emoticon after the four...Mandela effect ?????
This is what I see.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Why.jpg)
indeed
(http://i.imgur.com/b0cJ5KU.gif)
hmm, /:D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on August 06, 2016, 08:09:13 PM
indeed
(http://i.imgur.com/b0cJ5KU.gif)
hmm, /:D
funbox
You have the "Current Smiley Set" set to "No Smileys" on your profile.
QuoteI doubt it :D .. America sadly, is caught between two very hard Stones
Well two hard chunks of something anyway ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on August 06, 2016, 08:27:28 PM
You have the "Current Smiley Set" set to "No Smileys" on your profile.
leads to interesting perspectives wouldn't you say ? :D..
funbox
Quote from: Dyna on August 06, 2016, 10:15:59 PM
Well two hard chunks of something anyway ;D
say it matey :D Sh|T from the same Shoe :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on August 07, 2016, 12:52:27 AM
leads to interesting perspectives wouldn't you say ? :D..
No.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 07, 2016, 01:04:54 AM
No.
ah well , at least you see the truth now.
I could have flipped it the other way and said you might be a few planks short of a shed, excessive use of question marks ect, but it bared little difference to a Hillary supporter , so, no need to split hairs :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on August 07, 2016, 01:30:11 AM
ah well , at least you see the truth now.
What are you talking about now?
Quote from: ArMaP on August 07, 2016, 01:39:48 AM
What are you talking about now?
how I interpreted your four monkeys what else, you gave the answer to the problem at the top of this page.
funbox
Interesting Thread Eightman..
For me this next 3 weeks are make or break for the US Stock Market...
I have several Main timing Cycles in for August...and had another in July 25th ..close to when the Dow Topped at new all time Highs on July 20th.
and we have a 5 Planet Astro Alignment on August 18th..
I thought we may see a reversal...but upon reading your articles...and my thoughts on Hilary...my analysis may not agree with each other..
Unless Donald is involved with the establishment and part of their plan.. otherwise I would have thought if they want Hilary in.. she will be the one that Wins..
Quite a real Tough one !
US Dow Jones Stock Market .
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9514.msg125503#new
Quote from: Eighthman on August 03, 2016, 09:59:21 PM
Oh, look !
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-03/stock-market-has-predicted-outcome-presidential-elections-86-accuracy
The very point I sought to make ! They pump up the market until Hillary wins.
There is a dark possibility that Hillary is the best choice Because She Could Be A Traitor (for Russia). Has she been compromised by Russian hackers who now have incriminating emails? Putin does not need any active cooperation from the US to create a Eurasian alliance, just get out of the way! While the foolish US media puts a microscope on Trump, the evidence for her treacherous behavior is barely even reported much less investigated - by Republicans who secretly support her. ( Assange asserted that she supported ISIS with weapons). The US war against Japan may have triggered by a highly placed Soviet agent who sabotaged negotiations that would have prevented the war. It can happen.......
To me, the hope of a new Eurasian alliance, "from Lisbon to Vladivostok" represents the best hope for world peace in generations. Go Vlad!