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When things here in the good ole USA started taking a turn for the worst, I switched from looking at radiation issues and aircraft accidents over to security of infrastructure.  Some of these items I will be presenting will be:  Transportation of seagoing containers for cargo, security officers, security officer training, railway cargo, railroads, airports (internal and external), water facilities and electrical grid...(EMP).  We are vulnerable in so many areas I think the security of these facilities need to be beefed up in some way.  This in no way will be comprehensive but sort of a cursory glance.

I have a military background with the US Army, US Air force, 20 years in corrections and law enforcement and currently armed security for a railroad.  The presentations will not be exhaustive but merely simple and straight forward based on my experience.  I certainly will accept any input if the input expands on my knowledge and experience so others may be enlightened.

Physical Security - Incoming Shipping containers

Shipping containers come in from overseas by cargo ship. The ships enter Ports along our coast line. They are downloaded into holding yards for inspection and pickup by trucking firms. These trucking firms will either move them to their destination or to rail yards. If they are moving to rail yards then they will be moved by truck to the rail yard. The container may placed on a train for movement to another rail yard for truck pick up or container may leave the first rail yard to a customer. This shows you how many places this container encounters during it's travels.

The government has claimed they can only check 4% of these containers. So, do we really know what is in these containers? There might be anything that could harm people in these containers. Rather than go into a long explanation, let me provide links to the information from the government agencies:

http://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/ship-cargo-containers-%E2%80%93-finding-out-what%E2%80%99s-them-there%E2%80%99s-trouble

http://www.dhs.gov/cargo-screening

http://www.dhs.gov/secure-freight-initiative

http://www.cbp.gov/border-security/ports-entry/cargo-security/csi/csi-brief

The information comes from Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection.

Physical security for Ports

I addressed the issue of shipping containers coming into ports in the last section. Now to look into some of the actual physical security of the ports themselves. A large portion of physical security in some places are handled by private contractors or commercial contract companies. (I work for a company of this type). The larger companies will perform or have performed by medical personnel, drug tests. They do perform national agency checks to see if you have a record. Workers also have to obtain a TWIC card...better know as a Transportation Workers Identification Card.

In Florida we have security licenses for armed and unarmed officers. In most cases to obtain these licenses you are only required to obtain one week of training and that's it. You also go through a background check with Florida's Department of Agriculture (licensing authority) for a background check. If you are wanting to be an armed security officer then you have to be trained by a licensed school that will teach you the laws regarding firearms, how to properly handle the firearm and when you can and cannot utilize that firearm against a person. It is a lot of responsibility that comes with that firearm. You don't have to have any experience using firearms in order to receive that armed license. You just have to pass the test given by the school. (The school has to have a license with licensed instructors). For that armed license you must have a doctor sign that medical form to obtain the license. People are the largest and most important part of physical security.

You can attempt to use only technology but technology can be defeated, break down, shut down due to lack of power etc... There are smaller companies that obtain contracts from larger corporations but do not perform very good background checks if any at all and some of these have other issues as well. So unless the company or corporation hiring these companies checks the contracting company for proper licensing then you have another weak link in the system.

more to come......

Security Schools

The security schools have to be inspected to make sure that they are actually training people and not just signing off on paperwork with no training. This done by Department of Agriculture in Florida by utilizing inspectors. There are lots of schools and sites that require inspection but it boils down to needing more inspectors and that requires more money by the state. Some have been caught just signing off on paperwork and not teaching anything. This is a weak link in the security network as well as security officers monitoring ports that do not have little if any experience. Not enough inspectors to inspect everything is another issue.

Security Officers
I live near a port and can listen to some of the radio chatter between security officers and their communications control. I was listening one night and this officer came upon a vehicle with no one in it and the hood was cold. It had been sitting in this spot for awhile. The officer reported it (they had just changed shifts). The officer was asked if they had received pass on information about the vehicle. The answer was no. What if that car had contained an explosive or some other weapon of mass destruction? Physical security is only as good as the people performing it. As a supervisor at a previous job I always said trust but verify. Check on your people and guide them in the correct way to efficiently perform their tasks. Security is only as good as it's weakest link. Our port also uses security officers as screeners for people boarding cruise ships and various other duties within the port.

The port also has law enforcement from the county handling law enforcement function within the port. Of course the law enforcement officers have much more training than do security officers but the security officer is still the first responder on scene of an incident and not law enforcement. Of course you have Customs and Department of Homeland Security along with Coast Guard at the ports. and this would include divers that can check the bottoms of ships and boats entering and exiting the ports.

In my humble opinion there should be a closer inspection of the contract companies and their personnel to make sure that they are in compliance with all laws and regulations and the security coordinator (if there is one) should be closely observing what is transpiring within his or her realm of responsibility.

Lack of extended training

In the course for armed security officers you are given just the basics. There is no advanced training unless you obtain it yourself. You are shown and must learn when you can use force according to statute but there are no courses in teaching you the mechanics of any type of force. In fact most companies will not even allow you to have less than lethal options because of liability. There are some companies that provide regular training beyond what is required but they are few.

Lack of annual training

The only annual training required by Florida is annual firearms qualification and that is it. It is the licensee holder that must keep up on any changes in the law. Most companies do not provide training unless you are very large company with the funds to provide such training. Begs the question...if I have to use force and I wasn't trained, can the company be held liable for lack of training? You are not taught any type of Close Quarter Combat skills. In some cases where you are placed on a post may be a very dangerous area. Well, all I can say is if this happens...be vigilant and hope for the best. Or you can pay for the training for yourself so you can survive.

Railroad security in the USA

There is currently 140,000 rail miles of track in the USA. There are several large and small rail yards all along these routes in every state in the union. Each railroad has their own police department and most of the time security contractors perform the observation of those rail yards under the supervision of the rail police also known as Asset Protection. The police officers are experienced and have attended police academies. On the other hand, the security officers may have had a 40 hour course if they are armed. Many times that is all the training they have received. There are retired corrections and law enforcement officers that may have crossed over into the security field after retirement.

Often, these security officers perform double duty performing clerical duties for the railroad to which they are contracted. In this case there duties are not 100% security but a mix of admin. and security. Some rail yards have video cameras mounted to maintain surveillance and some do not. For the most part a lot of track cannot be monitored by police or contractors because of the many miles of tracks involved.

Railroads are part of Federal Infrastructure and as such (at least here in Florida) since most yards are equipped with switching circuits to receive cargo onto the yards...Florida statute allows security officers to detain trespassers to find out there intentions. The security people then have to call law enforcement and can only detain until law enforcement arrives on scene. One catch however, If the contract company for security tells you you cannot detain then you must follow their direction. If it is an armed post (for life protection only...you cannot defend property only people) some companies may tell you that you cannot use less than lethal or any type of force except in defense of your life.

Shipping Containers

Remember those shipping containers I was talking about earlier in the article? Some of those may come to a rail yard via truck and placed on the yard to await shipment by rail. Homeland Security had indicated that only 4% of those containers are really checked. So how do we know what is in these containers. Yes, they do have paperwork but each container is not checked physically. Some ports have X-ray scanners and some do not. So this is a possible weak spot.

Railroad tracks

When there is 140,000 rail miles of track to inspect, this is performed by maintenance people for whatever company owns those tracks. They have to be inspected on a regular basis so this is kind of patrol. The maintenance people have radios in those vehicles and can contact dispatch to notify any local police department if they have anything suspicious happening with in their area. This would be an immediate response if needed and the rail police would also be notified to respond to an incident. Rail police are not that plentiful in number so of course it would take longer for their response. The tracks could be vulnerable only if the person inspecting the tracks misses something. Once again, security is only as good as it's weakest link.

Airport Security Overview

Once again I don't know everything about airport security and different airports will have different levels of security.  The airports will certainly not divulge their security secrets as this would not be a prudent move.

We do have a known however regarding the TSA (Transportation Security Administration.  Anyone traveling around the USA has already encountered the security for people boarding aircraft or accessing the areas where people are boarding aircraft.  The TSA success rate of finding devices through testing by their own security teams have found that they do not catch as many fake devices as they should.  From what I understand they actually have teams that try to sneak fake devices through security to test their ability to find them.

What I will be dealing with is 3 subjects where I see problems and those are; Access points from inside the terminals to the outside (used by airport personnel  and ground crews), contractors who provide services on the tarmac (background checks) and perimeter security.

In 2015, TSA used its own security personnel to test its airport checkpoints, where passengers attempted to smuggle prohibited weapons and explosives through security. Of the 70 tests, TSA Transportation Security Officers (TSOs) failed to detect the weapons and explosives 67 times, a 95.7 percent failure rate.Mar 14, 2016

http://travelersunited.org/commentary/do-tsas-impressive-2015-statistics-indicate-success-or-failure/

Airport Contract Companies

Various tasks regarding aircraft operations are handled by companies contracted by the airports and/or airlines. These companies go through a clearing procedure for the company as a whole.

The main problem is with the employees they may hire. What type of background checks are performed for on these prospective employees. Having been a member of a law enforcement agency the background checks were pretty extensive to include psychological, fingerprint check, NCIC check nationally, local warrants check, state check for criminal history and also a visit by a deputy to friends and neighbors.

I have worked for security companies that have used various methods and of course these methods are not all the same. One company did not run a background check at all. One company used a commercial entity to do their checking on background. Another company was debating what method to use and another one just checked the local Clerk of Court website and no national check. No consistency across the board on checking backgrounds. Some of these jobs I was on dealt with infrastructure and some did not.

Consistency regarding how background checks are performed is the key. Supposedly if you are dealing with the government in some way, they will require a much higher standard of background check. Judging from the ability of refugees to enter this country based on a system to check them out is much less than expected, I have my doubts about the system itself. The guy that shot up the Pulse Nightclub is another example. He worked for a company called G4S which is also a government contractor. Now you see why I do not have confidence in the system.

more to come....

Airport Perimeters

Most larger airports have electronic sensors on their fence lines and patrols in place for large airports. Some of the smaller ones with major airlines do not have the sensors. They usually have a road around the airport on which a patrol may drive around on the road and check the perimeter.

I have seen construction taking place on a few near the fence and yet no one watching the area. Very seldom have I seen any patrol at all. We have security on the inside of airports but at the contract level on the tarmac near the aircraft and the perimeters, they are lacking. My opinion is that it boils down to everyone watching the bottom line like corporations do until something happens. In other words, "crisis management."

A documentary about TSA (Transportation Security Administration)

Creation, operating and failures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uDEPR6K3II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uDEPR6K3II)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9s5Epbkods&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9s5Epbkods&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=2)

Stopping Terrorism - Container Port Security - VOA Story

Deals with nuclear only....

space maverick,you know we dont see eye 2 eye on policing but please dont take this me trolling you.in actuallity we both have the same goals,just opposing views.

we dont need more police,we need more educated people.dumbing down america just makes us more prone to EVENTS,not less.
to me policing just means dumbing down nanny state where even an already licked lollipop could by a nanny state be considered a hazardous object.

as the usa stands right now.if i was motivated,could wreck like all hell.
no amount of security could stop me.i know all trunk lines and microwave and sattelite systems and there vulnerabilities.
i know enough about water and how to disrupt it.nationwide.

what we need is more educated jobs.and less religion.as religion breeds terrorist.not colleges of grand arts.

we dont have terrorist per ce.unless you want to call the cia backed isis terrorist or the cia backed cartels.code word being cia ie christians in action,they,the fbi and the free masons are the only terrorist there are.
and they all formed out of ignorance.
as a ct member signature i once read says,there will be peace on earth when the last politician is strangled with the guts of the last priest.

policing increases cost of goods and slows down delivery.
teerorism here in the usa would cost the rest of the world.we may compete with china and india but one small bump in the usa would create tidal waves around the world.nobody with any common sense wants that to happen.its bad for all.

so that just leaves revenge against cops as reason for terrorism.well cut the little guy some slack and quit sucking the life and wealth out of the poor.as a man once told me,which has more value,a dolly to a little girl or a million dollars to a millionaire.to take a hundred dollars from me for some minor ticket is the same as robbing a bank and killing some one in my mind.that 100 is half my food for the month.you try eating 1 sandwich per day and see how your mind begins to change.
perspective.so to blame terrorism is a COP OUT.
its straight up robbery and attempted murder to fine a poor person and its done on a daily basis here in the usa.the real terrorist are the cops.

Hey Robo....I welcome opposing views and you know me...I am partial to the system having worked in it.  However I know there are increasingly bad issues with the system of late.  Like that one video about TSA....listen to it good and it will bear out part of what you are saying.  Please keep giving your opposing view...people need to hear both sides.  Thanks for chiming in.  (I am increasingly getting to the point where I really am having problems trusting the system and I worked in it.)  Thumbs up brother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVM49Y2V58&index=8&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVM49Y2V58&index=8&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg)

Published on Aug 26, 2016
A 35-year-old man scaled a perimeter security fence at Omaha's airport Thursday night and crashed a truck into a plane on the runway. CNN's Rene Marsh reports.

2500 breaches in 1 year America wide.

i suspect they were buzzing his house and he got fed up with it.when my neighbor was frying me with microwave,he had his airforce buddies at local airport ,buzz my house with antigue airplanes at tree top level.as microwave effects the brain an and makes a person highly sensitive to sounds.it was really pissing me off.plus it was happening on an hourly or daily basis.
i also suspect those planes had old radar systems in them that could help target the microwave better.as he couldnt see my house through the trees and bushes.
as i had a giant wood pile in front of my house,it wasnt until i raised the house 4 inches last year,that the microwave was making it inside via top part of front door and bedroom window.
i know sounds crazy but im now gaining weight and feel the sanest ive felt in years.
my neighbor directly behind me is now recovering from cancer.my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer but that has gone away on its own after she temporarily moved away until i busted him with it.he doesnt know it yet but he killed his own daughter because the barn tin on the front of my house acted as a reflector.

Well, we shall find out how delicate our grid and infrastructure are because Hurricane Matthew is aimed right at my county and my city specifically.  Hurricane Matthew is at 140 mph moving forward at 12 miles per hour.  The last hurricane we had that was anywhere close was Hurricane Charlie in 2004 (actually had 4 hurricanes that year) and the winds were 120 mph.  It took them only 5 days in some places to get the grid back up and running.  We shall see what happens to the grid and hopefully I can update after Matthew has departed.

Quote from: spacemaverick on October 06, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
We shall see what happens to the grid and hopefully I can update after Matthew has departed.

Stay safe. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on October 06, 2016, 08:15:26 PM
Stay safe. :)

Thanks ArMap...winds will be upward of 145 mph +....and I'm working.....yuck.

Post when the dust settles so we know you're still breathing. :)

UPDATE from the Space Coast of Florida;

Hurricane Matthew's eye of the storm jogged East about 20 miles sparing us here in Melbourne Florida from a direct hit by the eyewall winds.  Speed was at 140+ at the eyewall.  My house was built in 1964 out of concrete block and came through the storm without a scratch.  The only thing I lost was privacy fence and some food in our refrigerators.  I didn't have a generator so when the power went out I was without power for 39 hours.  Florida Power and Light provides power to 304,000 customers in our county of 500,000.  243, 000 lost power.  As of today 10-10, only 5,860 are with out power.  Our power company and their contractors have done a fine job of restoring power working around the clock.  In our county no one was killed or injured.

Our first responders did a fine job of getting everything prepared before it hit and the sight of ordinary people working together gave me some hope about humanity.  The same thought applies to post-storm activity where you see ordinary people helping others.  You always have some though that take advantage.  Our grid was very vulnerable and even some of it runs underground and it was affected.  Beach erosion and storm surge were the worst where we had some roads under water and some roads next to the beaches in counties North of us literally washed out.  It could have been worse.  Matthew went right up the East Coast of the USA and has really caused much damage.  He on the Space Coast we dodged the bullet.

Good to hear you're well.  The weather is grey and boring here. :)

Quote from: Pimander on October 10, 2016, 10:42:46 PM
Good to hear you're well.  The weather is grey and boring here. :)

I would have traded with you...I like grey and boring sometimes....preferable to what we just had...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGMXln1ggrA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGMXln1ggrA)

Here we go....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt-WAby534c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt-WAby534c)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPRuyFp42pc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPRuyFp42pc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFnZfjclXfA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFnZfjclXfA)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEJpO6dTp8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEJpO6dTp8)

That's what I call violent!  Imagine what a comet could do to us....

I'm glad you're OK.  :)

Here in Portugal, when we have 80 km/h winds we call it a tempest, when the winds reach 120 km/h some people say that it looks like the end of the world. Winds like those in a hurricane are something we cannot even imagine.

Quote from: ArMaP on October 11, 2016, 12:18:01 AM
I'm glad you're OK.  :)

Here in Portugal, when we have 80 km/h winds we call it a tempest, when the winds reach 120 km/h some people say that it looks like the end of the world. Winds like those in a hurricane are something we cannot even imagine.

Thanks ArMap, been through these crazy things before.  Back in 2004 I went through 4 of them but I had a large generator then.  This one was worse than those 4......

A big relief that you survived Space Maverick !

I was not sure if any members were at the area..

I was aware of the Hurricane...but not sure how bad it was... but someone I follow posted a warning on his website  which I posted on PRC...

I think he had suggested to get away from that area.. but if you did not need to do so...and had a place to hide out... glad things worked out ok..

It must be terrifying if you have been thru 4 or 5 of such incidents each time another approaches..

Hope things calm down and that its not some part of Harrp !


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9639.msg127700#msg127700

Quote from: astr0144 on October 11, 2016, 07:02:57 PM
A big relief that you survived Space Maverick !

I was not sure if any members were at the area..

I was aware of the Hurricane...but not sure how bad it was... but someone I follow posted a warning on his website  which I posted on PRC...

I think he had suggested to get away from that area.. but if you did not need to do so...and had a place to hide out... glad things worked out ok..

It must be terrifying if you have been thru 4 or 5 of such incidents each time another approaches..

Hope things calm down and that its not some part of Harrp !


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9639.msg127700#msg127700

I grew up in Florida and have weathered the storm in homes and also worked the storms when with the sheriffs department and jail.  I must admit the pucker factor is there but if you prepare correctly you will be okay.  That storm was slated to hit us head-on but in the last few hours the eyewall (which was 140+ mph) jogged East about 20 miles and saved a lot of destruction from happening.  Not everyone has power returned yet but they are close.  Our local authorities were on top of this thing.

Spacemaverick     sadly  i think this adds to your op


http://triblive.com/usworld/nation/11343315-74/prosecutors-martin-classified

BY THE WASHINGTON POST | Thursday, Oct. 20, 2016, 11:00 p.m.
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Federal prosecutors in Baltimore on Thursday said they will charge a former National Security Agency contractor with violating the Espionage Act, alleging that he made off with "an astonishing quantity" of classified digital and other data in what is thought to be the largest theft of classified government material ever.

In a 12-page memo, U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein and two other prosecutors laid out a much more far-reaching case against Harold Martin III than was previously outlined. They said he took at least 50 terabytes of data and "six full banker's boxes worth of documents," with many lying open in his home office or kept on his car's back seat and in the trunk. Other material was stored in a shed on his property.

One terabyte is the equivalent of 500 hours worth of movies.

The prosecutors said Martin had an "arsenal" of weapons in his home and car, including an assault-rifle-style tactical weapon and a pistol-grip shotgun with a flash suppressor.

Martin, who will appear Friday at a detention hearing in U.S. District Court in Baltimore, also took personal information about government employees as well dozens of computers, thumb drives and other digital storage devices over two decades, the government alleged.

In a complaint unsealed earlier this month, the government charged him with felony theft of government property and the unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, a misdemeanor. Conviction under the Espionage Act could send Martin to prison for up to 10 years on each count and is considered the most serious of the three charges.

Prosecutors will argue Friday that Martin, 51, of Glen Burnie, Md., presents "a high risk of flight, a risk to the nation and to the physical safety of others," and that he should not be released from jail.

"The case against the defendant thus far is overwhelming, and the investigation is ongoing," Rosenstein said. "The defendant knows, and, if no longer detained, may have access to, a substantial amount of highly classified information, which he has flagrantly mishandled and could easily disseminate to others."

Continued detention without bail is necessary, prosecutors said, because of "the grave and severe danger that pretrial release of the defendant would pose to the national security of the United States."

Martin's attorneys are expected to file their own memo before Friday's hearing.

The government alleged that he took a top-secret document detailing "specific operational plans against a known enemy of the United States." Prosecutors did not name the enemy. The document, prosecutors said, contained a warning, in capital letters, that said: "This conop (concept of operations) contains information concerning extremely sensitive U.S. planning and operations that will be discussed and disseminated only on an absolute need to know basis. Extreme opsec (operational security) precautions must be taken."

Martin was not involved in the operation, the government said, and had no need to have the document or know its specifics.

Another document found in his car contained handwritten notes describing NSA's classified computer systems and detailed descriptions of classified technical operations, the prosecutors said. The notes also included descriptions of basic concepts associated with classified operations, as though intended for a general public audience, they said.

In an interview before his arrest, Martin initially lied to investigators, prosecutors said, denying having taken classified material. Only when confronted with specific documents did he admit that he took what he knew to be classified files and that "such actions were unauthorized and wrong," they said.

Martin had access to classified data beginning in 1996, when he was with the Navy Reserve, and that access continued through his employment with seven private government contractors.

The government alleged that Martin, "as a trusted insider," was able to defeat "myriad, expensive controls placed" on classified information. He was trained how to properly handle and store such data, but violated his oath and duty to do so, prosecutors said.

They said the devices seized show he made extensive use of sophisticated encryption and anonymization technologies. He also used a sophisticated software tool that runs without being installed on a computer and provides anonymous Internet access, "leaving no digital footprint on the machine," they said.

In August, a cache of highly sensitive NSA hacking tools mysteriously appeared online. Although investigators have not found conclusive evidence that he was responsible for that, he is the prime suspect, said U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

That is the event that set off the search that turned up Martin, the officials said.

In July, according to the prosecutors' memo, he watched a video about how law enforcement authorities catch computer users who wish to remain anonymous on the Internet. "He has a demonstrated ability to conceal his online communications and his access to the Internet," the prosecutors said.

To support their argument that Martin poses a danger to the community, they noted that in late July, he went to Connecticut to buy a "Detective Special" police-package Chevrolet Caprice. While searching his house, the FBI also recovered 10 firearms, only two of which were registered, the government said.

Prosecutors said a loaded handgun was found in a case on the floorboard of the Caprice, in violation of Maryland law.

Martin's wife, Deborah Vinson, was "very upset" to learn about her husband's arsenal, prosecutors said, "as she had only been aware" of him having "one or two" firearms.

If Martin had taken the classified material "for his own edification, as he has claimed, there would be no reason to keep some of it in his car, and arm himself as though he were trafficking in dangerous contraband" prosecutors said.

Quote from: spacemaverick on October 10, 2016, 11:12:13 PM
I would have traded with you...I like grey and boring sometimes....preferable to what we just had...lol

No you wouldn't :P

Glad your okay... having a stone house when the Wolf huffs and puffs and tries to blow the house down is a GOOD thing...   my house is also block.. 


Living in Huricane land a small generator for freezers is a good investment. I got one a few years back when it seemed every little wind storm knocked out an old transformer or powerline...

I take it with me to events just in case we get bad weather and cannot light the fire pit :D

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Quote from: space otter on October 21, 2016, 03:43:37 PMThey said he took at least 50 terabytes of data and "six full banker's boxes worth of documents," with many lying open in his home office or kept on his car's back seat and in the trunk. Other material was stored in a shed on his property.

Okay so....  all those files leaked out   MUCH bigger than the Snowden Snafu...

So... my question is..

WHERE are all the Alien Files? :P

How is it that the ONE item (UFO/ALIENS) never gets such a massive leak?

Hmmm?

Well?

::)

Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 07:51:44 PM
WHERE are all the Alien Files? :P

How is it that the ONE item (UFO/ALIENS) never gets such a massive leak?

Hmmm?

Well?

::)

But Z... This is the only secret that really matters in my oppinion, its like the pandora's box. Think about how many other secrets it holds. Once you open it you can never come back.

You should expect it would be the most protected info on the planet. Not so easy to leak. You probably can't even find the smoking gun documents in government archives anymore.

And why leak something that in theory gives so much power to the owner? I mean the ones that do have the will to leak, probably only know the tip of the iceberg and do not benefit the real power that this information provide.

Quote from: RUSSO on October 21, 2016, 08:30:49 PM
You should expect it would be the most protected info on the planet. Not so easy to leak. You probably can't even find the smoking gun documents in government archives anymore.

But that is the point... it is a PLANET WIDE scale of info coverup...

And I just have problems with the ENTIRE Zgovernment system of the Planet being together on this ONE coverup...

It makes no sense... Spock is turning over in his grave at the illogicness of that.

QuoteAnd why leak something that in theory gives so much power to the owner? I mean the ones that do have the will to leak, probably only know the tip of the iceberg and do not benefit the real power that this information provide.

What power? If they told us  we would simply say "See? We told you so!" and then have nothing more to research :P

Since these UFO reports are worldwide, if they are aliens then the entire world's government would already be 'in the know' at spome level... so where is the power gain?

Okay so maybe if Russia admits they have a deal with Aliens and then Obama says "Our Alien friends are better than YOUR Alien friends" then maybe :P


Do you see what I am getting at? Humans are just not that good at keeping secrets long term... certainly not on a Global scale

Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
But that is the point... it is a PLANET WIDE scale of info coverup...

And I just have problems with the ENTIRE Zgovernment system of the Planet being together on this ONE coverup...

It makes no sense... Spock is turning over in his grave at the illogicness of that.

How can it be PLANET WIDE if there is countries that have disclosed alien and UFO documents?

1.   Argentina
2.   Australia
3.   Brazil
4.   Canada
5.   Chile
6.   China
7.   Denmark
8.   Finland
9.   France
10. Germany
11. India
12. Ireland
13. Japan
14. Mexico
15. New Zealand (Additional Report)
16. Peru
17. Russia
18. Spain
19. Sweden
20. Ukraine (not in English)
21. United Nations
22. United Kingdom
23. Uruguay
24. Vatican City

http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2011/01/list-of-countries-that-have-disclosed.html
(http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2011/01/list-of-countries-that-have-disclosed.html)
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/countries-releasing-ufo-information/ (http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/countries-releasing-ufo-information/)

And those documents are just a glimpse of the total documents. I can tell you there is videotapes of spacecrafts flying over Colares in the state of Para in Brazil that are still supressed. So there is disclosure but not of all information.

But hey, if the disclosure is not from USA it does not count right? There is plenty of official disclosure already but it seems the only "planet" you take into account is Planet North America. :P ::)

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What power? If they told us  we would simply say "See? We told you so!" and then have nothing more to research :P

Since these UFO reports are worldwide, if they are aliens then the entire world's government would already be 'in the know' at spome level... so where is the power gain?

"scientia potentia est"

Why a doctor makes more money than a waiter? What the doctor have the waiter dont?

The only true power is knowledge, as everything (including any achievement) is derived from it. So the real question is what they are achieving withholding this especific knowledge? Can't you really think of anything? Cant it improve reputation, influence and techs thus power?

Really Z? No power comes with information? What about the operation paperclip? No power came with that too? ::)

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Do you see what I am getting at? Humans are just not that good at keeping secrets long term... certainly not on a Global scale

A parallel would be, why we use cars runned by oil if we can use electric cars? Big/shadow interests behind the curtain maybe?  ::)

Ahhh...you all are bringing forth more mysteries to which we do not have answers.  Our intelligence infrastructure has done well, or has it?  Maybe all this has been in plain sight all this time but with people in the intelligence community turning it into a joke out in public.  The best place to hide things is in plain sight because nobody would even believe that a government entity would do it.  Think about that.

I understand that the whole Manhattan project was surprisingly unknown among elected officials.  They uncovered evidence that Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11....... and nothing was done about it.  There was a facility that worked on spy satellites in the US and common workers kept their mouths shut about their work for years. Soviet secrecy could be even more extreme.

How effective was secrecy about Enigma?  Or Navajo CodeTalkers? 

I freely confess that I have spent a lifetime, down to this very day, mystified by what normal people ignore as unimportant.  Brushes with near accidental nuclear war,  the greatest fraud in world history unprosecuted,  the sheer fact that intellectuals  find no fault with politicians casually lying........... I can go on ! 

I ask myself, am I the only one who sees these things?  I feel like a character stuck in a bad movie.

cough,churches..cough cough.

Quote from: RUSSO on October 21, 2016, 10:33:20 PM
How can it be PLANET WIDE if there is countries that have disclosed alien and UFO documents?

USA has also released HUNDREDS of UFO documents  The NSA and FBI still have them online and the CIA has several HUNDRED good ones on file in PDF form free to download

Want the LINKIES? :P

But in all those relesed reports there is NOTHING concrete.  Just endless reports of UFO's never a smoking gun :P

Circumstantial evidence to be sure  but no Alien homme address or snapshot of one posing with his saucer :P

What is "evidence" in this world, anyway ???? 

Have any of you considered - what would be the biggest, most obvious UFO event that the public or governments would completely ignore, 2 or 3 years after?

I say you could have a slow moving flying saucer at tree top level, move several miles across a city of a million or so, at high noon  and still have it ignored and out of the public mind a couple years later.  If Aliens did a Michael Rennie, they could sit for a full day in Washington and leave, with no big deal. (Headlines: "Experimental Craft Accidentally Lands In Capital").

Think I'm kidding?  Take a critical look at the Presidential,  "hidden in plain sight" election we're witnessing !

the rest of the story.. continuing reply #24


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Ex-NSA contractor deemed flight risk in data theft case

BALTIMORE — A federal judge found Friday that a former National Security Agency contractor accused of carrying out what is thought to be the largest theft of classified secrets in U.S. history posed a flight risk and ordered that he continue to be held in jail.

U.S. Magistrate Judge A. David Copperthite ruled that Harold Martin III should not be released pending trial, despite the impassioned arguments of his defense attorney that the computer technology expert is a patriot who intended no harm to his country and suffered from a "compulsive disorder" that led him to steal classified material over a 20-year period.

Defense attorney James Wyda conceded that Martin took the material, but he stressed that "there's no evidence that Hal shared this information with anyone" or that he intended to pass it to a foreign government.

"There is nothing to indicate that Hal Martin is a traitor," Wyda told the judge, as Martin, a heavy-set man wearing gray-striped jail garb, sat quietly at the defense table. "What we see is an individual who is a collector."

He told the court that his client is not like Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who gave classified material on U.S. surveillance programs to journalists, or Aldrich Ames, a onetime CIA officer who was recruited by the Soviet Union and betrayed agents working for the United States.

Wyda portrayed Martin, 51, as a "voracious learner committed to being excellent at his work" who gathered information to improve his knowledge. "What began as an effort to be better at his job," Wyda said, became over the years a compulsion.

"Frankly," he said, "the mental health component is the only explanation."

Martin was charged in a sealed complaint in August with felony theft of government property and the unauthorized removal of classified materials, a misdemeanor. The complaint was unsealed this month when word of his arrest leaked out.

In a memo filed this week, the government said Martin had taken at least 50 terabytes of digital data, roughly the equivalent of 500 million pages of documents. He also took six banker's boxes worth of paper documents, prosecutors said, many of which were lying open in his home or in his car. And investigators found dozens of computers, thumb drives and other digital storage devices that belonged to the government, prosecutors said.

Prosecutors also have said that Martin had an "arsenal" of weapons in his home and car, including an assault-rifle-style tactical weapon, and that though he lacks a valid U.S. passport, he could still flee to a foreign government that might want to help him. Prosecutors said he has communicated with unnamed people in Russian and in June downloaded information on Russian and other languages.

The detention hearing in U.S. District Court here marked Martin's first public appearance since his Aug. 27 arrest at his home in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Sitting in the audience were his wife, Deborah Shaw, and his brother, who traveled from Florida. Wyda pointed to their presence as evidence of Martin's support network and another reason he would not try to flee if released.

The judge said he agreed with Wyda that there were "some serious mental health" problems at play. At the same time, he said, Martin is a "highly educated man, certainly highly capable." He has a master's degree and was working on a PhD at the University of Maryland Baltimore County.

"What I see here is a person who may be two persons," Copperthite said, "a person who may be a smart guy . . . ?wanting? to help his colleagues, but at the same time, a person who is walking out the back door" with data "that he knows he has no business" taking.

He noted that Martin kept the material in an unlocked storage shed — "information that many enemies of the United States, I'm sure, would love to explore."

Copperthite said "the preponderance of evidence" indicates that Martin poses a flight risk and so he should remain in jail pending trial.

On Thursday, prosecutors said they expected additional charges to be brought, including "violations of the Espionage Act."

That 1917 law makes "willful" retention of "national defense information" a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison per count.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Zachary Myers told the court that Martin "now knows that the evidence supports" multiple violations of the Espionage Act, which could result in a sentence, if he is convicted, as high as 30 years to life. That, Myers said, gives him "significant incentive to flee."

After the hearing, which lasted slightly more than an hour, Martin's attorneys Wyda and Deborah Boardman said they would appeal the ruling.

"Hal Martin and his family are disappointed with today's ruling," they said in a statement. "We do not believe Hal Martin is a danger to the community or to his country. Hal is no risk of flight. Hal Martin loves America. And he trusts our justice system. This is an early step in a long process."

QuoteI ask myself, am I the only one who sees these things?  I feel like a character stuck in a bad movie.

"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts . . ."

William Shakespeare - As You Like It

The script has been written. We all play our parts under the illusion of free will.

I'm reading Somebody Else Is On the Moon by George Leonard (thank you, Zorgon, for the .pdf). On the introductory page Leonard quotes Charles Fort, a 19th/20th century writer who researched "anomalous phenomena" - "I think we are property."

I find this so absolutely true I've made it my signature.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in [our] philosophy."

William Shakespeare - Hamlet

William knew what he was talking about. Sometimes it really makes me wonder if we aren't just plugged into the cosmic motherboard.

Quote from: Irene on October 22, 2016, 04:38:07 PM
William knew what he was talking about.

Well actually..

"William" was Sir Francis Bacon, Rosicrucian Imperator  :P

Quote from: zorgon on October 22, 2016, 05:26:07 PM
Well actually..

"William" was Sir Francis Bacon, Rosicrucian Imperator  :P

Honestly, I'm not invested in who he may have been, only what he had to say about life and "reality".

:P back!   ;)

Quote from: zorgon on October 22, 2016, 06:02:30 AM
USA has also released HUNDREDS of UFO documents  The NSA and FBI still have them online and the CIA has several HUNDRED good ones on file in PDF form free to download

Want the LINKIES? :P

But in all those relesed reports there is NOTHING concrete.  Just endless reports of UFO's never a smoking gun :P

Circumstantial evidence to be sure  but no Alien homme address or snapshot of one posing with his saucer :P

Calling some of those documents and testimony "circumstantial" is a big scale down to what they really are.

Quote from: Eighthman on October 22, 2016, 03:43:40 AM
I understand that the whole Manhattan project was surprisingly unknown among elected officials.  They uncovered evidence that Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11....... and nothing was done about it.  There was a facility that worked on spy satellites in the US and common workers kept their mouths shut about their work for years. Soviet secrecy could be even more extreme.

How effective was secrecy about Enigma?  Or Navajo CodeTalkers? 

I freely confess that I have spent a lifetime, down to this very day, mystified by what normal people ignore as unimportant.  Brushes with near accidental nuclear war,  the greatest fraud in world history unprosecuted,  the sheer fact that intellectuals  find no fault with politicians casually lying........... I can go on ! 

I ask myself, am I the only one who sees these things?  I feel like a character stuck in a bad movie.

Welcome to the club.

As you continue to research the feeling will only get worse.

Sadly most people are oblivious to what goes on around them.  Most accept what supposed experts tell them are basically self-absorbed and do not want to take the time to actually dig and research a subject.  When you get into any part of a national or state infrastructure no matter what part of the infrastructure might be, the general public will accept whatever the most popular opinion might be regarding whatever part that infrastructure may be.

The intelligence infrastructure can put out something like Operation Bluebook to simply turn public opinion in a different direction which then affects the way serious researchers are perceived in the public realm.  It's about perception.

I was hoping to deal with specific areas of problems maintaining and protecting certain parts of critical infrastructure but I am finding this a daunting task.  Living some of that now in my current job and also discovering big corporations and those entities that operate certain parts of America's infrastructure do not want to spend the money to strengthen parts of the infrastructure.  (the electrical grid is a mess.

Since I just went through a hurrican here in Florida, I may address that issue first.

Quote from: RUSSO on October 22, 2016, 09:20:25 PM
Calling some of those documents and testimony "circumstantial" is a big scale down to what they really are.

Okay :P
so  show me one document that confirms aliens :P

Just ONE there are hundreds of thousands on UFO's but a UFO can be a garbage bag :P

So show me the ones that are NOT circumstantial and veryfy aliens

Thanks in advance :P

Quote from: spacemaverick on October 24, 2016, 04:01:54 AM
Sadly most people are oblivious to what goes on around them.

true that but we don't care about 'most people'  We care about the few that DO look into this..

Take the X37 secret space plane... We still do not know what it does on those missions or where it goes... BUT Amateur trackers spotted it in the first place and track it... causing NASA to say "Amateurs spot Secret Space plane.  LOL that day was hilariouis because on that day all those ATS debunkers that used to attack John and I were suddenlt talking "Secret Space plane" like it was always there :P

The point is it is very hard to keep any launch or spaceship away from the eyes of the amateur trackers.

Do not forget that those trackers spotted the first secret satellite too MISTY  even after the preteneded to blow it up, the trackers found it again

So THIS is why I say secrets arte not so easily kept these days becaue many seekers have equipment these days that was only in the government and military hands before.

You cannot put anything up there without it being seen sooner or later

Quote from: spacemaverick on October 24, 2016, 04:01:54 AM
Most accept what supposed experts tell them are basically self-absorbed and do not want to take the time to actually dig and research a subject.

MOSt average people are more concerned about making ends meet on a monthly basis and the last thing they want to hear (or believe) is that their government is up to no good. Frankly as long as it doesn't effect them directly, they really don't care. This is not apathy, this is simply human nature.

Take 9/11  I was on my way to work when I heard the news that all planes were grounded.  My first thought was " Dam!  that means my paycheck will be delayed and I will be late on my mortgage payment"   Fortunately that was also the thought of our company and they actually drove those checks to Vegas by FedEx overnight

The point is we all tend to worry about what effects us first

Even politicians... Even the top level ones are more concerned about their positions than anything else.  President is a TEMP job... if there really is a secret cabal running the show WHY would they fill in an office temp on what is really going on?  Need to know :P  and a presidents curiosity is not a need to know

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When you get into any part of a national or state infrastructure no matter what part of the infrastructure might be, the general public will accept whatever the most popular opinion might be regarding whatever part that infrastructure may be.

They have to  or their world would be ruined and they would have to deal with issues beyond their control...

That is why in the UFO crowd they will believe what ever they want to believe  and PAY anyone who strokes that ego... and don't you DARE step in with any real truth.

So do Aliens exist? At this point I don't know :P After 50 years searching I find less evidence tyoday than I did at the start because most of what I thought was good info turned out to be hoaxed.  (Yes I am pretty sure they do :P  but it is getting harder and harder to find a report that is even worth looking at these days)

It is true the governments of the world have released thousands of reports... yet I still see people screaming "When will they release the reports?!"  I have linked many people to those files and do they return and say "WOW that is a lot of files!Q  So the government RFEALLY HAS been keeping track!" ?  No They just go away quietly and say nothing   A few months later they are back bitching about the lack of files released :P

Take Pegasus for example... do you know how many official reports and other militray files I have in the database?  Well there are over 6,000 already cataloged  and at least that many more uncataloged  I haven't even read those yet just saved them because of the content

In all the years I have had those files  only a small handful have ever asked to get a copy.  Irene asked for one a few days ago :P

I have the entire collection of British released UFO files  I got them when they were free. They now charge for them

But all those files are just stories  i DO notice that since they are sequentially numbered reports, there are a lot of numbers in the series  So I would ASSUME that all those government released files from around the world are pretty much useless because they didn't release the good stuff :P

QuoteI was hoping to deal with specific areas of problems maintaining and protecting certain parts of critical infrastructure but I am finding this a daunting task.

About a year ago I got an email from a fellow that works at space command at Vanedenberg  (21SOPS-21st Space Operations Squadron)  He offered to update me on anything the space command was doing that was not top secret. I have not really followed up on that yet  I need to first redo the space command section of the website

Quote from: spacemaverick on October 24, 2016, 04:01:54 AM
The intelligence infrastructure can put out something like Operation Bluebook to simply turn public opinion in a different direction which then affects the way serious researchers are perceived in the public realm.  It's about perception.

Precisely.  It is the perception of UFOs that has been manipulated.

Quotethe Panel suggested the Air Force should begin a "debunking" effort to reduce "public gullibility" and demystify UFO reports. The panel suggested a public relations campaign, using psychiatrists, astronomers and assorted celebrities to significantly reduce public interest in UFO's. It was also recommended that the mass media be used for the debunking, including influential media giants like Walt Disney Corporation.

Their formal recommendation stated "That the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired."

Also recommended that the government monitor civilian groups studying or researching UFO's "because of their potentially great influence on mass thinking ... the apparent irresponsibility and possible use of such groups for subversive purposes should be kept in mind."

http://www.nicap.org/waves/1953_robertson_panel.htm

The problem is that opinion has been manipulated is different directions for purposes other than the one intended in the Robertson report - in my deeply considered opinion.

Quote from: Irene on October 22, 2016, 05:33:56 PM
Honestly, I'm not invested in who he may have been, only what he had to say about life and "reality".

i am with you on that :P BUT knowing WHO he is/was is very important in this case. because the 'reality' may be that Sir Francis Bacon is an IMORTAL, one that also goes by the name of "the Professor", the Count de St germain" and several others.  It ois one of the projects I have been working on. It traces back to romanian and certain Mystery schools and was the basis that led to the Dracula stories

The "Professor" was one of the small group of men responsible for the creation of the USA. He along with Voltaire and Ben jamin frankling were the first conspirators to begin the process that led to the USA

The professor is also credited with being the man that made the 'Speech of the unknow" that hardened the Forefathers to sign that declaration. They were faltering until that speech ( I have all this on the website)

Sir Francis Bacon was in thick with the Elizabetahn Royal Court, and that he was Shakespeare has recently been almost 100% accepted.

He also editted the King James version of the Bible.

There is a Star Trek episode called the "Squire of Gothos" that pretty much covers the same theme. The Squire in Star Trek was Beethoven, Shakespeare and many other characters in history...  So the writers of Star Trek were following the same line of the search for the Immortal Cout St Germaine..

It has led me to many obscure and fasinating books, many of which I still need to work into the scheme of things

I am still seeking THIS book

(http://trianglebook.weebly.com/uploads/4/7/9/6/4796096/6917298.jpg?589)

SO!

Then in the way the Universe works for me :P Today I find a high resolution scan of this book

Woohoo!! Dragon power RULES!!!

The Wyvern that Germain uses is also on my shield  And emblem I chose long before I heard of him :D

(http://landoflegendslv.com/03ports/portofshalott/images/heraldry/S-Zorgon.gif)

Helena P. Blavatsky writes: 'Count St. Germain was certainly the greatest Oriental Adept Europe has seen during the last centuries. Madame Blavatsky mentions a "Cypher Rosicrucian Manuscript" in St. Germain's possession. The Triangular Book is such a manuscript of Solomonic magic, under the sigil of the Dragon. The Latin word draco is(dráken, gazer). The Triangular Book is just such a cypher manuscript, which opens with a Dragon emblem.


(https://paulinebattell.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/saint-germain-pale-violet-and-pastel.jpg)


The Squire of Gothos.. Beethoven

(http://trianglebook.weebly.com/uploads/4/7/9/6/4796096/6909874.jpg)

I will move these posts to the Myustic Section later today as we got off topic :P

Quote from: zorgon on October 24, 2016, 08:13:57 PM
He also editted the King James version of the Bible.

And you still get people basing their lives on the errors that they made today. :)

William Smedley exhibited remarkable insight into Bacon mind and objectives..... "...there was only one writer of the period [Francis Bacon] who was capable of turning the phrases with that matchless style which is the great charm of the Shakespeare plays.  Whoever that stylist was, it was to him that James handed over the manuscripts, which he received from the translators.  That man made havoc of much of the translation, but he produced a result which, on its literary merits, is without equal."
http://www.sirbacon.org/Mather_KJV/Bacon_KJV.html


The word genius is something you hear erroneously applied to many.  In the case of Franny Bacon not so.

I will split this shortly but I am running down new leads :P Everytime I relook at a topic, I do get new info... like the triangle book that went online in 2012... ( I am going to print it on parchment and bind it in leather :D

Bacon & The Rose Cross
by James Phinney Baxter (1831-1921)
[From his book: "The Greatest of Literary Problems, the authorship of the Shakespeare Works; an exposition of all the points at issue, from their inception to the present moment" 1915]

(http://www.crcsite.org/Images/bacon2.gif)

http://www.crcsite.org/bacon.htm

next book on my want list :P

(http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/Book-Rose.jpg)

http://www.sirbacon.org/mcompeer2.htm

This passage...

Esquire means Mr. So the name becomes Mr. N.N. Curiously on the original Rosicrucian Manifesto, N.N. is listed as one of the Rosicrucian Brothers. In any case, whoever N. N. was, the gentleman took great liberties with the text of Boccalini's work. He was particularly original in his treatment of the 77th Advertisement. Apollo selects a committee to devise a plan for the reformation of human society, and N.N. Esquire lists the secretary for Apollo's committee as Sir Francis Bacon. Obviously, Bacon's Freemason compeers were still quite active in England at this time.

Three publications appeared in Germany in 1614, 1615, and 1616 respectively. These are really the only evidence for the existence of the Rosicrucian Fraternity. All later writings about the Rosicrucian Fraternity were merely reactions to these original three publications. In fact, the 1616 pamphlet seems to have been in reaction also to the 1614 and 1615 publications. The three Rosicrucian publications were as follows:

1. A short pamphlet in German, published in Cassel, Germany in 1614 by Wilhelm Wessel (printer for prince Maurice, Landgrave of Hesse),entitled, Fame Fraternity, or a Discovery of The Most Noble Order of The Rosy Cross (hereafter referred to as The Fama).
2. Another short pamphlet published at the same place by the same printer in 1615, entitled The Confession of the Rosicrucian Fraternity (hereafter referred to as The Confession).

3. A third, much longer publication of quite a different type, published in Strasburg, Germany in 1616, entitled The ChemicalWedding of Christian Rosy Cross (hereafter referred to as The Chemical Wedding).

That book, the Chemical Wedding... it basically THE source manefesto for the modern chapter of the rosicrucians (as opposed to the Traditional Egyptian beggining.  So it seems the bacon wrote that one too :P

THE CHILD'S OWN LOSSES
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses.html

Signing the Declaration of Independence
The Speech of the Unknown
http://www.reversespins.com/signthatdocument.html

Bacon was allegedly Queen Elizabeth "The Virgin Queen"'s Son. 

http://www.sirbacon.org/links/parentage.htm

Here is Mum to be in a maternity dress in a portrait at Hampton Court.
(http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/liz1.jpg)

ETA:  Yes split the thread. This is way off topic even for peggy. The other members probably think we are crazy.  LOL :o

I think it did creep off topic but it has been interesting.  Sometimes rabbit trails turn into interesting subjects.

Quote from: zorgon on October 24, 2016, 05:46:18 PM
Okay :P
so  show me one document that confirms aliens :P

Just ONE there are hundreds of thousands on UFO's but a UFO can be a garbage bag :P

So show me the ones that are NOT circumstantial and veryfy aliens

Thanks in advance :P

You ask for confirmation, but I ask you, what is confirmation for you?

An official military document from a foreign country is enough confirmation?

QuoteMilitary reports addressed to Brig. Gervasio Duncan and Gen.  Moacyr Uchoa describing UFOs flight and landing in the states of Rio Grande  do Sul and Rio de Janeiro, including a UFO chasing aircraft and sightings of  2-meter tall beings beside their spacecraft in the city of Belo Horizonte (MG).

Report from the Division of Security Information of the 2nd Air Zone Command on the spotting of UFOs by radars in the region of Varginha (MG). It also contains an official report sent to the Air Force Command on the sighting of a large flying saucer with several windows over Presidente Dutra highway.

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/Brazil/CENDOC_ENVELOPE_02_1971.pdf (http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/Brazil/CENDOC_ENVELOPE_02_1971.pdf)

Or maybe you should listen to this men(that i have the honor to meet before his supposed "suicide"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawjwWyIUMk

QuoteThe Colares flap refers to an outbreak of UFO sightings that occurred in 1977 on the Brazilian Island of Corales. During the outbreak, the UFOs allegedly attacked the citizens with intense beams of radiation that left burn marks and puncture wounds. These sightings led to the Brazilian government dispatching a team to investigate under the codename Operation Saucer (Portuguese: Operação Prato), but the government later recalled the team and classified the files until the late 1990s.

UFO Photographed by Military Personnel during "Operation Prato"
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iGfAQ4_0r7Q/TAUGxTPBjkI/AAAAAAAAAsY/2UJgQKwPqfs/s1600/BrazilA-1.png)

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/MUFON/Pratt/prato.pdf (http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/MUFON/Pratt/prato.pdf)

Some examples of the official documents:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qcuDnNFxJRc/T36KTx4v7uI/AAAAAAAAAqc/0a-UhenbpuI/s1600/Colares2.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iGfAQ4_0r7Q/TAUKVJvFpLI/AAAAAAAAAuA/24WJ0hqeGP0/s1600/brazilUFOillustrationa.jpg)

A "Vampire" UFO victim:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iGfAQ4_0r7Q/TAV-ewxzshI/AAAAAAAAAwo/M8NMwdStI_4/s1600/BrazilInjured350.jpg)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iGfAQ4_0r7Q/TAV-i45CiHI/AAAAAAAAAww/8A2Zfdk6C4k/s1600/BrazilWound350.jpg)



(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iGfAQ4_0r7Q/TAUK9ATjCfI/AAAAAAAAAuY/OkPAAdOYSi0/s1600/Chupa350.jpg)

Quote"Above are the reconstitution of the cylindrical object commonly called Chupa-chupa. We described the presence of two figures similar to sighted humans through a window. In detail: the same photo, 1978, without mount."

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iGfAQ4_0r7Q/TAUNL6NVx-I/AAAAAAAAAu4/QTDX57nSYQY/s1600/alien1.png)(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iGfAQ4_0r7Q/TAUNQfjvANI/AAAAAAAAAvA/oZmsL0Rl754/s1600/alien2.png)

Quoteillustrations drawn by Hollanda depicting the Alien entity

You can read a very good summary, with links, pictures, draws of the official documents here: http://ufo-blogg.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/colares-brazil-ufo-invasion-1977.html (http://ufo-blogg.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/colares-brazil-ufo-invasion-1977.html)

Its not just circumstantial, to me this IS proof.

But hey, documents are not from USA government so i think you will dismiss it right? :P

Quote from: zorgon on October 24, 2016, 06:10:22 PM
But all those files are just stories  i DO notice that since they are sequentially numbered reports, there are a lot of numbers in the series  So I would ASSUME that all those government released files from around the world are pretty much useless because they didn't release the good stuff :P

More good suff:

QuoteOne of the most important footages about UFOs in Brazil, with public declarations of high rank military officials confirming they spotted, chased and were chased by UFOs for many hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1inF8zkTbg

The recordings, which were confidential in the Air Force for 30 years, show the dialogues between the tower in Sao Jose dos Campos, the towers of Sao Paulo and Brasilia and Air Defense. The official Air Force report found that the objects were real and had an "intelligent behavior."

Its all in portuguese but here is the link anyways:http://www.vigilia.com.br/brasilia-boa-noite-bem-vindo-ao-festival-dos-discos-voadores/ (http://www.vigilia.com.br/brasilia-boa-noite-bem-vindo-ao-festival-dos-discos-voadores/)


Just stories huh? ::) To some of those pilots Im sure its THE story of their lifes. :P

Zorgon,

Didn't see your post of the 24th/25th right away.

Thanks for the explanation. Very interesting!   :)

Quote from: RUSSO on October 26, 2016, 08:15:53 PM
An official military document from a foreign country is enough confirmation?

The problem with all those documents is that they fail to point to a known source of the UFOs, so we are still left without knowing if they are from terrestrial, extraterrestrial, extradimensional, etc.

Quote from: ArMaP on October 26, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
The problem with all those documents is that they fail to point to a known source of the UFOs, so we are still left without knowing if they are from terrestrial, extraterrestrial, extradimensional, etc.

According to Uyrange Hollanda they watched, amazed, the presence of gigantic aircraft with all certainty, not-terrestrial executing incredible maneuvers to its front, as it was itself a show of particular exhibition. Two agents of the National Service of Information (SNI- Sistema Nacional de Informação) witnessed most magnificent of these  "demonstrations" with giant objects being involved.

Add to that the draws he made of the beings (he actually got an implant in one of his arms which accompanied him until his death)

(http://www.dominiosfantasticos.com.br/hcufoprato102.jpg)

I have no doubts about what happened in Colares in 1977, I was lucky enough to be able to hear the story from his own mouth.(there are four VHS footage of the crafts that Air force command confiscated from him. Two he paid from his own pocket and he never could get it back. If only we could get those tapes... )

Quote from: RUSSO on October 26, 2016, 08:15:53 PM
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This is image is very interesting to me.  It looks like the craft Paul Bennewitz filmed at Kirtland Air Force Base.  The people who have the film will not share it.  Here are some stills of the craft from Chris Lambright's book about it.  He stopped communicating with me when I enquired as to who has the film and can I see a copy.  Not even a reply.

(http://www.ufohastings.com/files/image/2012-05-13/bennewitz_01.jpg)

It looks strikingly similar and I'm very interested in this case Russo.  Thanks for sharing. Can you point me to the best website for information about the case please?

If anyone knows about UFO cases of craft that look very like these then I'd be interested to know.  Pictures are good but I'd like to see a film.  These are extremely important in my opinion.  I notice that officials have taken the film in both cases.  If it was not important then they would not be interested.

Quote from: Pimander on October 27, 2016, 03:00:04 AM
This is image is very interesting to me.  It looks like the craft Paul Bennewitz filmed at Kirtland Air Force Base.  The people who have the film will not share it.  Here are some stills of the craft from Chris Lambright's book about it.  He stopped communicating with me when I enquired as to who has the film and can I see a copy.  Not even a reply.

The Paul Bennewitz case is really intriguing and i share the same understanding Chris Lambright have, that these crafts probably are something much more mysterious than top secret aircrafts.

Quote
If anyone knows about UFO cases of craft that look very like these then I'd be interested to know.  Pictures are good but I'd like to see a film.  These are extremely important in my opinion.  I notice that officials have taken the film in both cases.  If it was not important then they would not be interested.

They confiscated the footages (The Brazilian Air Force has publicly admitted to the Operation , and has over 500 pictures and 16 hours of video) and i suppose it probably already vanished from national archives or military database, i mean, even if you go through the legal ways for the information, I dont think it still are in the archives. We barely had the access to the pictures.

But if on the one hand I'm sad not to have access to them, on the other hand it indicates how harmful it would be for those who through information concentration, has the pretension to imprison the population's perception of reality as if they were immersed in the Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

QuoteIt looks strikingly similar and I'm very interested in this case Russo.  Thanks for sharing. Can you point me to the best website for information about the case please?

The best information you can get, unfortunately is in portuguese language, but i will try to make a post where you can read most of it, including the pictures we could get through freedom of information. The best source I would say is to just watch the interview with  Lieutenant-Colonel Uyrange Hollanda cause he spilled most of the beans there.

Let me get started with a very good summary about what happened:

'Operation Saucer' The Real Evidence:

QuoteFor those who don't know, Operation Saucer was the biggest military operation conducted in Brazil to  officially  and  secretly  investigate UFOs. Probably the biggest in the world as well. It started in September 1977 by direct order from the command of the First Regional Aerial Command (COMAR) of the Brazilian Air Force in Belém, Para state, in the Amazon.

The main reason to initiate Operation Saucer were the several tragic attacks on people from mysterious balls of light and other objects, first at night - in 1974, 1975 and late 1976 - that soon started to happen almost all day long, especially early and mid-1977. Operation Saucer was prematurely ended in December 1977 for the reasons that we now know and is described below.

According to the best source we once had available, the commander of the Operation, Colonel Uyrange Hollanda, who gave a detailed and in-depth _exclusive_ interview to the Brazilian UFO Magazine, to me and to my co-editor Marco Antonio Petit, the objectives of the Operation Saucer were:

1) To collect as many witness reports as possible about the lights and objects being seen and that performed the strange attacks.

2) To register the lights and objects in the jungle (called suck-suck) with the highest photo and film technology available.

3) To engage, if possible, in a co-ordinated attempt to contact the "intelligences behind the phenomena".

On the contrary of what the post suggests, yes, there is an enormous amount of information about Operation Saucer already available, and lot of very concrete evidence of it and its amazing results. As for the objectives mentioned above, it is also widely known that they were fully accomplished:

1) Over 2,000 witness reports were collected by the 30+ military that took part in Operation Saucer, and before and after that. It is estimated that at least 400 people were attacked by the balls of light, of which 3 died - and maybe a 4th - were recorded. Brazilian UFO Magazine has dozens of those reports and conducted personal interview, on-site, with witnesses, military, pilots and the doctor who treated the patients.

2) It is estimated that over 500+ B&W pictures of lights and objects in the jungle were taken, along with several rolls of film in super 8 and super 16mm. It is estimated that at least 16 hours have been recorded. Brazilian UFO Magazine has also dozens of such pictures and has extensively published them in several editions. Although the films are not available, they have been watched by several people in Brazil and we have their personal accounts of what they saw. Pilot Gerson Maciel the Britto, for instance, described having watched a film shown to him by the military, in the 80s, where there was a huge mother-ship with small objects over the Amazon River.

3) The third objective, according to Hollanda, it was also fully accomplished when, by mid-December 1977, he and a few of his men were in a small boat in the river close to Colares Island and they all saw a 300+ feet long cylinder-like object that almost landed on the other side of the river, in a standing position. From its upper part, a door was open and a humanoid-like creature in a uniform floated from it to the river level and stood just a few feet from the military, and kept staring at them.

That was a genuine close encounter with an alien entity, performed by a military team from the Brazilian Air Force, officially! It was part of Hollanda's official orders to attempt such contact.

Through the helmet glass Hollanda and his men could see the alien's eyes. No sound was every emitted by any of the involved, nor by the creature. It stood there for a few minutes and went back to the ship, that took off. As part of his duties, when Hollanda reported that he had a direct contact with the "intelligences behind the phenomena", his superiors at the First Regional Aerial Command (COMAR) of the Brazilian Air Force in Belem, ordered him to immediately shut down Operation Saucer. So he did. He was also ordered to give to his superiors every piece of material, report, photo, film, etc., obtained during the Operation, which he did.

So, it is believed that the Operation was shut-down because the military feared loosing control of the situation, if the direct contacts continued. This has also been reported to the Brazilian UFO Magazine by a number of people who were directly and indirectly connected to the Operation.

http://ufoupdateslist.com/2007/oct/m22-017.shtml (http://ufoupdateslist.com/2007/oct/m22-017.shtml)
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1007/operation-saucer2.html (http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1007/operation-saucer2.html)

Draws made by the Colonel in the official documents that cover the size of the "mother ship", Alien being, and weapons they had:

(https://ufoteam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/desenho1.jpg)(https://ufoteam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/desenho2.jpg)(https://ufoteam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/desenho3.jpg)

(https://ufoteam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/desenho4.jpg)(https://ufoteam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/desenho6.jpg)(https://ufoteam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/desenho7.jpg)
All the official documents(portuguese language)-->http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/docprato (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/docprato)

(http://www.viafanzine.jor.br/ufotos/op_des_flavio.jpg)

Lots of information covered in this documentary:

QuoteDuring the months of September through December 1977, the Brazillian Air-Force under the command of a Captain Uyrangê Hollanda, was sent to the island of Colares to investigate a series of incidents in which over 80 people reported being attacked by beams of light from UFO's, paralyzing two of them and leaving puncture and burn marks on their skin.

The investigation was codenamed "Operation Saucer". This operation collated over 15 hours of film, 500 photos, and hundreds of documents with detailed drawings and interviews with over 3000 witness'. The files were to remain classified by the Brazillian Government until 1997, when UFO investigator's A J Gevaerd and Marco Petite of UFO Magazine were allowed partial access. They were also contacted by the then retired Cpt Hollanda who gave them a vivid recollection of the whole series of events.

4 Month Air-Force UFO Investigation - Brazil 1977

https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=H8C9nWBJwjE&hl=en-GB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLPesXPTWZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f62PUJN2Im0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T311dfSNH4A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LNo77ar2lc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvPL_LF2Es

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZbKIFxGio0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhk_phrJLL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCbLr-EmFco

The pictures that people were able to get access through law (keep in mind it was over 500 tho):

(http://i1.wp.com/www.portalburn.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/edison-o_prato-01-02.jpg?w=400)(http://i1.wp.com/www.portalburn.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/edison-o_prato-01-04.jpg?w=200)(http://www.ufo.com.br/admin/arquivos/t112803161.jpg)

(http://oi66.tinypic.com/25tu5jr.jpg)(http://oi67.tinypic.com/fk2kqw.jpg)

(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2prxxj9.jpg)(http://oi65.tinypic.com/35c1w5e.jpg)

(http://oi64.tinypic.com/aubeh1.jpg)(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2vcic68.jpg)

(http://oi64.tinypic.com/2vkzwwj.jpg)

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/1087jw2.jpg)

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/210c6l4.jpg)(http://oi64.tinypic.com/n46yoz.jpg)

(http://oi63.tinypic.com/3519zy8.jpg)(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2i87od1.jpg)

(http://oi63.tinypic.com/258ysrk.jpg)(http://oi66.tinypic.com/riul4z.jpg)

(http://oi64.tinypic.com/jrfg3q.jpg)(http://oi66.tinypic.com/i510m1.jpg)

PDF with all the pictures-->http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/fotografias_op_prato.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/fotografias_op_prato.pdf)

Official Documents about the operation in PDF files: (pt-br language)

http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.01.01%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20de%20Miss%C3%A3o%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.01.01%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20de%20Miss%C3%A3o%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.01.02%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20de%20Miss%C3%A3o%202.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.01.02%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20de%20Miss%C3%A3o%202.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.02.00%20-%20Informa%C3%A7%C3%B5es%20Operacionais%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.02.00%20-%20Informa%C3%A7%C3%B5es%20Operacionais%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.03.00%20-%20Ilustra%C3%A7%C3%B5es%20de%20Ocorr%C3%AAncias.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2001.03.00%20-%20Ilustra%C3%A7%C3%B5es%20de%20Ocorr%C3%AAncias.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2002.00.00%20-%20Resumo%20Cronol%C3%B3gico.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2002.00.00%20-%20Resumo%20Cronol%C3%B3gico.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.01%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.01%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.02%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%202.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.02%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%202.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.03%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%203.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.03%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%203.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.04%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%204.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.01.04%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%204.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.01%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%205.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.01%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%205.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.02%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%206.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.02%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%206.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.03%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%207.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.03%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%207.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.04%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%208.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.04%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%208.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.05%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%209.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.05%20-%20Registro%20de%20Caso%209.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.06%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.06%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.07%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%202.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.07%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%202.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.08%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%203.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.08%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%203.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.09%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%204.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2003.02.09%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Adicional%204.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2004.00.00%20-%20Folha%20de%20Ocorr%C3%AAncias%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2004.00.00%20-%20Folha%20de%20Ocorr%C3%AAncias%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2005.00.00%20-%20Informe%20Especial%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2005.00.00%20-%20Informe%20Especial%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2006.00.00%20-%20%C3%93rg%C3%A3os%20de%20Informa%C3%A7%C3%A3o%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2006.00.00%20-%20%C3%93rg%C3%A3os%20de%20Informa%C3%A7%C3%A3o%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2007.01.00%20-%20Disposi%C3%A7%C3%B5es%20Gerais%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2007.01.00%20-%20Disposi%C3%A7%C3%B5es%20Gerais%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2007.02.00%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Geral%201.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20Prato%20-%2007.02.00%20-%20Relat%C3%B3rio%20Geral%201.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/fotografias_op_prato.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/fotografias_op_prato.pdf)
http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/ACE_3370.83.pdf (http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos/documentos/brasil/prato/ACE_3370.83.pdf)

All documents linked are secure but i have everything in my harddrive if you need.

This is the most revealing interview of Lieutenant Colonel Hollanda. He speaks about the famous operation "prato" before he "committed suicide". Pay attention to the clarity with which he passes the information. According to police he was depressed and committed suicide a week after this interview. (suicide my a$$)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawjwWyIUMk

QuoteAn interview with Colonel Hollanda:

When the terror caused by the UFOs spread from Colares to the neighboring cities, the Brazilian Aeronautics sent a military team to discover what was happening. This operation was named Operation Plate and was commanded by Captain Uyrangê Bolivar Soares Nogueira de Hollanda Lima, now a retired Colonel. His team made hundreds of photos and four films. When the phenomenon ceased, the military locked up its activities. Unfortunately, none of the photos and films were disclosed. But to the great surprise of the Ufologists, in October of 1997, Colonel Hollanda gave a detailed interview to the Ademar researchers Jose Gevaerd and Marco Antonio Petit, respectively publisher and co-publisher of the Brazilian UFO magazine "Revista UFO." Here is the full text of this capital interview.

Note: because my understanding of the Portuguese language is somehow limited, I have kept the original untranslated version at the end of this page. Do not hesitate to contact me if you find a translation error.

QuoteUFO Magazine - If you have created a file, then it tells us that there has already been some progresses in the investigation?

Hollanda - Yes, when I arrived from Brasilia I already had agents who had being sent to investigate occurrences of UFOS, because this thing was already happening so often in the area of Colares, which is a belonging to the city of Vigia, on the coast of Pará.

The mayor of the city sent an officer to the commander of COMAR to inform him that the UFOs were bothering the fishing very much. Some of them could not exert the fishing activity anymore, because the objects navigated under their boats. At times, some objects even dived near them, in the rivers and in the sea. The local population spent the night outside. The people set up fires and used firecrackers to try to drive the invaders away. It was the panic that made the mayor contact the command of COMAR, asking for instructions, and the Brigadier General ordered that I was to investigate the sightings.

UFO Magazine - Was there at some point a participation or instruction from Brasilia (Ed.: the capital, i.e. the government) so that the situation is inquired?

Hollanda - At the time, it did not participate in the discussions. There was only one captain and he received only orders. I was no part of this proceeding and I do not know with certainty as of the decisions that had been taken. But, for the little that I know, the decision was in the hands of the command of COMAR. If it had involvement of Brasilia, I do not know about it.

UFO Magazine - How did you organize Operation Plate? How many sections, how many people, how many missions etc? And did you organize all the tasks?

Hollanda - Well, we were a team. I was at the head of it. We had five agents, all sergeants, that worked in the second division of COMAR. Moreover, we had informers on location, people in the places where the lights appeared, on the field, that helped them. At the time I divided the team in two or three different positions in the country. Clearly, we were constantly in contact with one another, through radio.

UFO Magazine - What was the immediate objective of Operation Plate? To observe flying disks, to photograph them and to contact them?

Hollanda - As a matter of fact I wanted to test this thing off exactly and completely. It wanted to explain it and clear it out. Because everybody spoke in the lights and objects and had even nicknamed them with popular names, such as "Chupa-chupa" (Ed.: "suck-suck" or "absorb-absorb"). And, the Brazilian Air Forces needed to know what was really happening, since this occurred in the Brazilian airspace. The responsibility to inquire was ours. But in the beginning of Operation Plate, what I exactly I wanted was a confirmation the events that were happening.

UFO Magazine - What motivated the local population to call the lights "Cupa-chupa?"

Hollanda - There were a series of stories of people who had been touched by a light ray. All judged that the effect of the ray was to suck blood out of them. And actually we verified some cases and we discovered that several of them, mainly women, had strangest marks on their left breast, and there were two punctures of needle around a brown spot. It looked like iodine burning. And those people had their blood sucked out, in small amount, by those lights.

Therefore they had started to nickname them "Chupa-chupa." It was always the same thing: a light came out of nothing and followed somebody, generally a woman, who was hit on the left breast. At some times they were men who were hit, with marks in the arms and (pemas.) To tell you the truth, in ten cases, there were more or less eight women and two men.

UFO Magazine - And you have recorded and checked the marks on the people?

Hollanda - Yes, it was all checked and analyzed by doctors, who went with us to the locations at the time. Sincerely, I entered in this as the devil's advocate. What I exactly wanted was to demystify this story and to say to my commander that this thing did not exist, that it was a collective hallucination. I found that some things were being seen, but that it was not extraterrestrial.

UFO Magazine - What did you think it was, then, that was being seen and attacked the people?

Hollanda - I do not know. Perhaps the plumage of an owl reflecting the light of the moon or some other thing of this sort. It was thought it might be extraterrestrial, but I did not think so. I went there for verifying that this thing was really happening. I spent at least two months to get an answer for my commander, when I came back from the mission, I had discovered nothing.

The first the two months of Operation Plate, I saw nothing that could change my opinion. At one point we spent one week in the weeds and came back only on the Sunday, we lived a little bit like a family. At each report, my commander asked:

"Did you see something?" And my response was always: "We saw strange lights, at least, but nothing extraterrestrial". In fact, we saw lights that never blinked, that passed at a low altitude, but nothing very strange.

UFO Magazine - This was during the night. What happened during the day? Were there other activities during Operation Plate?

Hollanda - Yes, we had other things to do, that were part of the objectives of the operation. We made interviews with people who had had experiences, we prepared the places to spend the night and searched "hot" spots for night watches. When we discovered that something appeared in such a place, we (...). We made a survey of the situation, and we always registered the names of the involved people in a proper form.

UFO Magazine - What procedure or methodology was used to collect information?

Hollanda - We always recorded the name of the person who had the experience, the place where it occurred, the date and time etc. We made a description of each fact that occurred in the same locality. Thus, if three cases in a night happened, people heard three witnesses. Some of the descriptions were common, the other had most strangeness. At times we received stories from things that we could not prove to be authentic, as dematerialization of entire walls or roofs, for example.

UFO Magazine - What do you mean? Do you have some example to illustrate this type of events?

Hollanda - Yes. The first lady that I interviewed in Colares, for example, told me absurd things. We came by the helicopter from Belém just to hear a woman who had been attacked by the Chupa-Chupa. We really did see that she had a mark in the left breast. It was brown, as if it was a burning, and had series of holes in a line. When we talked, told to me that a child was seated in a net trying to put a child to sleep when, suddenly, the environment started to change of temperature. She found it rather pleasant, but she could not imagine what happened next. Then, lying in the net, she saw that the roofing tiles had started to be colored, in live coal color. After that, they changed to be transparent and she could see the sky through the roof. It was as if the roofing tiles had turned into glass. She saw the sky and even the stars.

UFO Magazine - Were strange stories such as this very common during Operation Plate?

Hollanda - Very common, and it scared me a lot, because I had never heard anyone speak about such things. When I heard of such cases, I was both worried and even more curious. These people seemed to be sincere. For example, through the hole that the woman described she saw a green light shining in the sky. The lady was half asleep, until, after that, a red ray that left the UFO reached her left breast. It was strange that in the majority of the cases the people were hit at their left side. There was more: exactly at the time where we were speaking of this, a girl came to us and said:

"Look at the thing that is passing above." When I left the house, I saw the light that the young girl was pointing, flying at a reasonable speed, although the sky was sufficiently covered. It was not very quick and it blinked as it was going to the North. It looked like a satellite, except that this light turned back on its route - and satellites do not do this!

Soon after that, there was something even stranger. But I could not exactly say if it was an extraterrestrial ship. By the way, I was not there to cover up any thing that appeared as being a flying disk.

UFO Magazine - Did you use some type of radar equipment that could confirm or follow these phenomena?

Hollanda - No. All the airports have fixed radars. We did not carry anything of this type.

UFO Magazine - Were the attacks that were happening with certain frequency communicated to the Government, to the state or municipal authorities?

Hollanda - Yes, clearly. Some doctors of the Ministry of Public Health of Pará had been sent by the government to examine the people. They analyzed the burnt skins and took the patients statements, but they did not do anything more than that - never. Some victims recovered easily. Others were very terrified. Some have been nauseates, or fell asleep for days. A citizen once came to look for me and said that next to his house a light had appeared, that focuses a shining ray towards him. He told me that he has been so terrified that he ran inside his house, caught a weapon and pointed it to the light. Then stronger rays came and caused him to fall. The poor men spent two weeks with locomotion problems (Ed.: Because he fell), but did not have anything more serious.

He has not been hit by anything solid, as a shot, for example. It seems that the nature of this light was that of a very strong energy that left people paralyzed. I believe that the federal authorities were informed of this type of attack on human beings that were happening in the region, but I am unaware of any tests. I only received orders from my commander, nothing more.

UFO Magazine - If these depositions had been collected since the beginning of the Operation Plate, when were the first close encounters with UFOS in that region begin?

Hollanda - It was sufficiently significant. Certain night, our team was searching the Island of Mosqueiro, in a place called Bahia do Sol (Ed.: Sun Bay) (Publisher: a known health-resort of Belém, near Colares), therefore we had information that these things were happening there. And as we were investigating all and any indication of ufological occurrences, we settled ourselves in the place. In this period, the agents who had more time than I to devote to this operation - since "I caught the train when it was already started" -, they questioned me all the time, after they saw some lights, as if I was already convinced of the existence of the phenomenon. As I was still undecided, they said to me: "But captain, do you still not believe?" I answered that I wasn't, that we needed more tests to believe that those things were flying disks. I had not seen any ship at that time. Only light, many and varied. I was still not satisfied.

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Pimander, I don't know if it attends what you expect when you asked about more info, I tried to put together what i think it is good info about the case. If you have any more question, doubts or need something else, you are more than welcome to do it here or through a PM.

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http://www.theufochronicles.com/2007/10/operation-saucer-new-revelations.html (http://www.theufochronicles.com/2007/10/operation-saucer-new-revelations.html)
http://www.rense.com/general62/admits.htm (http://www.rense.com/general62/admits.htm)
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2008/04/brazilian-milit.html (http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2008/04/brazilian-milit.html)
http://ufo-blogg.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/colares-brazil-ufo-invasion-1977.html (http://ufo-blogg.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/colares-brazil-ufo-invasion-1977.html)
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1007/operation-saucer.html (http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1007/operation-saucer.html)
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/operation-saucer-official-search-ufos-155317373.html (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/operation-saucer-official-search-ufos-155317373.html)
http://andyjwells.tumblr.com/post/140690586087/operation-saucer-the-official-search-for-ufos (http://andyjwells.tumblr.com/post/140690586087/operation-saucer-the-official-search-for-ufos)

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nsa-appears-to-have-missed-%E2%80%98big-red-flags%E2%80%99-in-suspect%E2%80%99s-behavior/ar-AAjAC2A?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U348DHP
The New York Times
By SCOTT SHANE and JO BECKER
8 hrs ago



N.S.A. Appears to Have Missed 'Big Red Flags' in Suspect's Behavior

WASHINGTON — Year after year, both in his messy personal life and his brazen theft of classified documents from the National Security Agency, Harold T. Martin III put to the test the government's costly system for protecting secrets.

And year after year, the system failed.

Mr. Martin got and kept a top-secret security clearance despite a record that included drinking problems, a drunken-driving arrest, two divorces, unpaid tax bills, a charge of computer harassment and a bizarre episode in which he posed as a police officer in a traffic dispute. Under clearance rules, such events should have triggered closer scrutiny by the security agencies where he worked as a contractor.

Yet even after extensive leaks by Pfc. Bradley Manning in 2010 and Edward Snowden in 2013 prompted new layers of safeguards, Mr. Martin was able to walk out of the N.S.A. with highly classified material, adding it to the jumbled piles in his house, shed and car.

A federal judge in Baltimore ruled on Friday that Mr. Martin, 51, must remain jailed on charges of stealing government documents and mishandling classified information over two decades. Prosecutors say they will add new charges under the Espionage Act. Mr. Martin, whose arrest in August was disclosed by The New York Times this month, has admitted to taking the material but denies giving secrets to anyone else.

His actions, which prosecutors described in court as "breathtaking," have already cast a harsh light on the government's ability to police the 3.1 million employees and 900,000 contractors who hold clearances — or even the much smaller number who work inside the most closely guarded programs, as Mr. Martin did. His case appears to show serious breakdowns in personnel evaluation, technology designed to detect leaks and the basic job of inspecting people leaving secure buildings.

Dennis C. Blair, a former director of national intelligence, said he was "shocked" that Mr. Martin managed to remove classified material in bulk as recently as this year, in part because the government has spent tens of millions of dollars since 2010 on measures to prevent unauthorized activity or downloads.

"If there are breakdowns in your security system, as there clearly were with Snowden and this guy, you have to look at whatever went wrong and fix it," Mr. Blair said.

Some intelligence officials sounded a defensive note. William R. Evanina, the government's top counterintelligence official, said it may be infeasible to prevent every breach at an agency like the N.S.A., with 35,000 employees.
"I don't think it's possible," Mr. Evanina said. He credited the government with doing "an amazing job" in tightening security and called the N.S.A. "one of the leaders." Despite such efforts, he said, "if someone is intent on stealing classified data, it's very hard to stop them."

But a look at Mr. Martin's past raises a question: Did his erratic behavior ever prompt a review of his top secret clearance, which allowed him to work on some of the nation's most sensitive intelligence operations over two decades at eight contractors? His record of personal and legal troubles reads like it might have been drawn from the official list of factors that can be used to deny a clearance.

In 2000, the State of Maryland put an $8,997 lien on Mr. Martin's property for unpaid taxes that he would not pay off till 2014, a sign of chronic financial difficulties. In 2003, he was charged with misdemeanor computer harassment, a result of pestering a woman with unwanted messages. The charge was eventually dismissed.

Mr. Martin has a history of "binge drinking on a monthly basis," Judge Richard D. Bennett of Federal District Court said in a detention hearing on Friday. Alcoholism does not automatically block a security clearance, officials say, but the person must acknowledge the issue and seek treatment.

In 2006, Mr. Martin was charged with driving under the influence. In 2008, he cut off another driver and in the ensuing argument, announced that he was a police officer, according to two acquaintances who did not want to be named speaking critically of him. When it turned out the other driver was an off-duty state trooper, Mr. Martin fled. The local police charged him in the incident, but the record of the episode was later expunged.

"Those are all big red flags, and reasons why you wouldn't get a clearance," said Ross Schulman, a cybersecurity expert at the Open Technology Institute at New America, a Washington research group. "What seems clear in this case is that they dropped the ball in choosing who to allow access to their material and computers in the first place."

The year after the episode of police impersonation, Mr. Martin was hired by the contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, for whom he would work at the N.S.A. for the next six years before being moved in 2015 to a Pentagon job involving offensive cyberwarfare.

A routine five-year renewal of his security clearance in 2012 should have covered all his legal tangles and the breakup of his two marriages, in the late 1990s and 2010. Such reviews include a polygraph test, in which a standard question asks about mishandling of classified information. If such a question was asked, Mr. Martin appears to have passed the polygraph.

In recent years, intelligence agencies have begun to bolster the five-year reviews with "continuous evaluation," said Mr. Evanina, the counterintelligence chief. That means public databases showing criminal or civil cases, unpaid debts and divorces should all be scanned constantly for the names of clearance-holders, he said.

In a major upgrade to the security system after the transfer of military and diplomatic files by the former Army private now known as Chelsea Manning to WikiLeaks in 2010, the N.S.A. and other agencies installed specialized software to detect unusual conduct on agency networks or large downloads of secret data. Agencies also cracked down on removable storage devices like CDs and thumb drives, literally gluing drives shut or disabling the software required to use them.

But one former senior intelligence official suggested that Mr. Martin might have dodged those safeguards because he was assigned to Tailored Access Operations, the N.S.A. hacking unit. Because the unit develops malware to break into foreign computer networks and steal secrets, its machines are segregated from N.S.A.'s main network to avoid the possibility that a rogue program could get loose and do damage.

In the separate network, the electronic alarms that sound for unusual downloads may not operate and the ban on thumb drives does not always apply, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "By the nature of the work he's in, you have to carve that out so as not to do harm to your own system," he said.

The last chance to stop someone from carrying off secrets is at the gates to N.S.A. facilities. Mr. Martin's lawyer, James Wyda, said in court that "there was nothing sophisticated Mr. Martin did to remove this information" from the agency. But before the lawyer could elaborate, prosecutors abruptly objected, evidently concerned about the message that security is lax.

Only the most intrusive search would detect papers or a small drive hidden under clothing, and officials fear that universal searches would be impractical and send a message of mistrust.

"You don't want to create a Stasi-like atmosphere," said Michael V. Hayden, a former N.S.A. and C.I.A. director, referring to the East German secret police. Instead, N.S.A. guards carry out random searches, which sometimes included the director, he said.

Several former N.S.A. workers said that if Mr. Martin was ever caught with a few classified pages, he might have pleaded absent-mindedness and escaped punishment. But F.B.I. agents who took 50 terabytes of data from his house found it on disks, hard drives and thumb drives. Had security guards found any of those leaving the agency, it would have set off an investigation, Mr. Martin's former colleagues said.

The N.S.A. is now conducting an internal review to track everything Mr. Martin took to its source to understand the breaches, officials said. But the case has reinforced how technology that makes it easy to store and move huge volumes of data can threaten security, Mr. Hayden said.

As more details on the case emerged last week — including prosecutors' assertion that the documents Mr. Martin took contain the names of some intelligence officers who worked undercover — Booz Allen Hamilton announced that it had hired the former F.B.I. director Robert S. Mueller III to review its security and management practices. For Booz Allen, Mr. Martin's arrest was a second devastating blow: Mr. Snowden was also an employee when he took hundreds of thousands of N.S.A. documents in 2013.

Senator Dianne Feinstein, the vice chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said she expected the committee to examine the incident, both to review whether recent security upgrades at N.S.A. are sufficient and consider further improvements.

In court on Friday, Judge Bennett concluded that Mr. Martin posed too much of a flight risk to release before trial. Though there is no proof so far that Mr. Martin passed the secrets he took to others, "the harm has already occurred," the judge said, "in terms of the loss of confidence on the part of the public" in the intelligence agencies.

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/nsa-contractor-indicted-over-mammoth-theft-of-classified-data/ar-AAmJWKj?li=BBnbfcL

NSA contractor indicted over mammoth theft of classified data
Reuters Reuters
By Dustin Volz
2/8/2017

A former National Security Agency contractor was indicted on Wednesday by a federal grand jury on charges he willfully retained national defense information, in what U.S. officials have said may have been the largest heist of classified government information in history.
The indictment alleges that Harold Thomas Martin, 52, spent up to 20 years stealing highly sensitive government material from the U.S. intelligence community related to national defense, collecting a trove of secrets he hoarded at his home in Glen Burnie, Maryland.

The government has not said what, if anything, Martin did with the stolen data.

Martin faces 20 criminal counts, each punishable by up to 10 years in prison, the Justice Department said.

"For as long as two decades, Harold Martin flagrantly abused the trust placed in him by the government," said U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein.

Martin's attorney could not immediately be reached for comment.

Martin worked for Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp when he was taken into custody last August.

Booz Allen also had employed Edward Snowden, who leaked a trove of secret files to news organizations in 2013 that exposed vast domestic and international surveillance operations carried out by the NSA.

The indictment provided a lengthy list of documents Martin is alleged to have stolen from multiple intelligence agencies starting in August 1996, including 2014 NSA reports detailing intelligence information "regarding foreign cyber issues" that contained targeting information and "foreign cyber intrusion techniques."

The list of pilfered documents includes an NSA user's guide for an intelligence-gathering tool and a 2007 file with details about specific daily operations.

The indictment also alleges that Martin stole documents from U.S. Cyber Command, the CIA and the National Reconnaissance Office.

Martin was employed as a private contractor by at least seven different companies, working for several government agencies beginning in 1993 after serving in the U.S. Navy for four years, according to the indictment.

His positions, which involved work on highly classified projects involving government computer systems, gave him various security clearances that routinely provided him access to top-secret information, it said.

Unnamed U.S. officials told the Washington Post this week that Martin allegedly took more than 75 percent of the hacking tools belonging to the NSA's tailored access operations, the agency's elite hacking unit.

Booz Allen, which earns billions of dollars a year contracting with U.S. intelligence agencies, came under renewed scrutiny after Martin's arrest was revealed last October. The firm announced it had hired former FBI Director Robert Mueller to lead an audit of its security, personnel and management practices.

A Booz Allen spokeswoman did not have an immediate comment on Martin's indictment.

Martin's initial appearance in the U.S. District Court of Baltimore was scheduled for next Tuesday, the Justice Department said.

(Reporting by Dustin Volz in Washington and Jonathan Stempel in New York; editing by Jonathan Oatis and Phil Berlowitz)

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Quotehttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ex-nsa-contractor-sentenced-to-nine-years-in-prison-for-stealing-secret-documents/ar-AAEApDl?li=BBnb7Kz

Ex-NSA contractor sentenced to nine years in prison for stealing secret documents
Caitlin Yilek  3 days ago 

A former National Security Agency contractor was sentenced Friday to nine years in prison for stealing classified material over more than two decades in what may be the largest breach of classified information in U.S. history.

Harold Thomas Martin III, 54, was arrested in August 2016 when law enforcement agents raided his Glen Burnie, Maryland, home and found he had stored a massive trove of government documents and digital files in his home and vehicle. He worked for Booz Allen Hamilton at the time of his arrest. He pleaded guilty in March.

Martin came under suspicion as the source for Shadow Brokers, a group that posted online leaked information about how the NSA hacked into the computers of foreign targets. Martin worked for the NSA unit that used the tools, but prosecutors have not alleged he leaked any of the information he retained over the years.

His attorneys said he suffered from "undiagnosed autism" and was hoarding the data and did not have any intention of harming national security.

"The manner and method of my approach was unorthodox, unconventional, uncanny," Martin said at his sentencing. "But also unauthorized, illegal and just plain wrong. One step beyond black. Please do not copy this. It is not the easy or correct path. I took shortcuts, went backwards, sideways and around things, crossing major borders and boundaries. It is not good, it's very, very BAD."

Martin will receive credit for the three years he has already served in prison.