This composite photo shows the lost Philae lander (bottom right), found wedged in a "dark crack" on the side of comet 67P. Photograph: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team/PA
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In images taken just three days ago by a camera on board the Rosetta space probe, the lander can be seen nestled in a dark crack on the comet's surface, with two of its three legs sticking out.
"For many people it is a huge emotional closure, but for the scientists it is incredibly important because it now tells us where the measurements were taken that we made with Philae back in 2014 - that context is everything," said Mark McCaughrean, senior scientific advisor at the European Space Agency (ESA).
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/05/lost-philae-lander-found-as-rosetta-mission-draws-to-a-close-comet-67p
So the aliens didn't get it then. :)
Lander ? , I think they've overdone it with the zoom and are dancing on the edge of pixilation. more likely a Rock than anything else , those highlights on the rock seem to be giving the impression of angularity's .. but you know.., tricks of light etc :D
try again nasa , it must be there somewhere
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Pixels? Naaaah!
Look at the detail in the nearby rock. The detail looks like the lander too. It's either a fabricated picture or it's the lander. ::)
ETA: It's ESA not NASA so there are competent people working on it.
Quote from: Pimander on September 05, 2016, 10:30:34 PM
Pixels? Naaaah!
Look at the detail in the nearby rock. The detail looks like the lander too. It's either a fabricated picture or it's the lander. ::)
ETA: It's ESA not NASA so there are competent people working on it.
nonsense. .. to much zoom used, once a picture starts breaking down after zoom is used , sometimes not even the rocks are identifiable. as clearly the case here. :D
nasa esa assa ..once you strt zooming , these alphabet agencys , all look like the same soup..
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brilliant funbox!
Rosetta's Lander Philae Wakes From Comet Nap
(http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/philae_wakes_up_0.jpg)
The European Space Agency's Rosetta's lander "Philae" awoke from its cometary hibernation on June 13.
Credits: ESA
The European Space Agency's Rosetta's lander (Philae) is out of hibernation. The signals were received at ESA's European Space Operations Centre in Darmstadt, Germany at 22:28 local time (CEST) on June 13. Since then, more than 300 data packets have been analyzed by the teams at the Lander Control Center at the German Aerospace Center.
"Philae is doing very well: It has an operating temperature of minus 35 degrees centigrade and has 24 watts available," said the German Aerospace Center's Philae Project Manager Stephan Ulamec. "The lander is ready for operations."
For 85 seconds Philae "spoke" with its team on the ground, via Rosetta, in the first contact since going into hibernation in November 2014.
When analyzing the status data, it became clear that Philae also must have been awake earlier. "We have also received historical data -- so far, however, the lander had not been able to contact us earlier," Ulamec said.
Now the scientists are waiting for the next contact. There are still more than 8,000 data packets in Philae's mass memory, which will give the German Aerospace Center (DLR) team information on what happened to the lander in the past few days on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko.
Philae shut down on November 15, 2014, at 1:15 CET, after being in operation on the comet for about 60 hours. Since March 12, 2015, the communication unit on the Rosetta orbiter was turned on to listen out for the lander.
Rosetta is an ESA mission with contributions from its member states and NASA. Rosetta's Philae lander is provided by a consortium led by the German Aerospace Center in Cologne; Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Göttingen; French National Space Agency in Paris; and the Italian Space Agency in Rome.
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, manages the U.S. contributions to the Rosetta mission for the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. JPL also built the MIRO instrument and hosts its principal investigator, Samuel Gulkis. The Southwest Research Institute, located in San Antonio and Boulder, developed Rosetta's IES and Alice instruments and hosts their principal investigators, James Burch (IES) and Alan Stern (Alice).
http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/rosetta-lander-philae-wakes-from-comet-nap
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8367.msg115172#msg115172
Quote from: zorgon on September 06, 2016, 10:37:23 AM
You two are idgits :P
don't you mean eejit's ? :D
ive heard the zoom argument so many times, ide just thought a nice test drive would do, see how it feels in the other chair...
*funbox begins to inflate , power and electricity fills his visually, mutated and tortured body, strength and absolute unjustified certainty , fill every molecular fibre of his being *
nah not for me :D
donotinflateBox
but seriously though, I've seen disembodied heads on mars look more like disembodied heads, than this looks like a robot
*a few shadow removal techniques later*
(http://i.imgur.com/Ob8asV0.jpg)
or did they send something from Robot wars up/down there?
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and that supposed to be one of the legs jutting out?
, I cant imagine them designing it to be human shaped ? is that a foot and toes too ?
its not Asimov is disguise is it ?
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Quote from: funbox on September 06, 2016, 01:47:26 PM
ive heard the zoom argument so many times, ide just thought a nice test drive would do, see how it feels in the other chair...
Show me some anomalies that detailed. How about a crocodile head on Mars that we can be that sure of? :P
We need Mike Singh back!
Quote from: Pimander on September 06, 2016, 02:32:14 PM
Show me some anomalies that detailed. How about a crocodile head on Mars that we can be that sure of? :P
We need Mike Singh back!
wrong person to play this game :D
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ct53f8e3b8.gif)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/nd52e2713f.gif)
hmm , how is it ive managed to link these from Ats ? .. curious
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Quote from: funbox on September 06, 2016, 02:25:52 PM
but seriously though,
Seriously? It looks like the lander to me. :)
The image link is http://i.imgur.com/Ob8asV0.jpg
ArMaP, is that where ATS images are stored now?
ETA: Oh, those. I can't see the images in the last post.
testing again ..
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/rh52fbc10c.gif)
weird
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Quote from: Pimander on September 06, 2016, 02:43:54 PM
Seriously? It looks like the lander to me. :)
The image link is http://i.imgur.com/Ob8asV0.jpg
ArMaP, is that where ATS images are stored now?
ETA: Oh, those. I can't see the images in the last post.
that's where I now upload too , Ats I was banned from , but they still keep the 1000 plus images I created on there ...
no, the ones above and the demonic bunny are hosted at ats
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QuoteSeriously? It looks like the lander to me. :)
why does it look like the lander to you ..? what discerning features are you seeing ?
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as I look more it kinda reminds me of
(http://www.nessie.co.uk/postcard/pictures/nessie.jpg)
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I looked at the images by another method.
Any of them could be something. I'm not convinced they are fossils or skulls but I wouldn't dismiss that they might be either. You need boots on the ground or failing that lots of pictures from other angles to confirm it is not paradeliawoteveritscalled.
I agree that some Mars images warrant further study. I think there is very good chance there is life on Mars now but we aren't looking in the right way.
On the other hand, if we have a base there then there must be life. :)
I am seeing a lander shaped object, reflecting light in a manner more akin to a flat metal surface than the surrounding rock. It looks like a different material to anything else in the pictures. I can also see the lander arm quite clearly LOL ::) :P
I have a strong side interest in astrobiology in case you didn't know. I am also into consciousness research and alternative energy research but I'm not a physicist. My "field" is molecular biology especially brain and neuropharmacology stuff but I might be moving sideways to another research focus soon. Watch this space. I spent a number of years out of science (specifically out of the lab) to pursue business interests and working for the gubmint.
If I didn't think there was anything to find I wouldn't waste my time with astrobiology. It is still healthy to remain sceptical about any claim, from BOTH SIDES of the debate. There is too much one-sided pseudoscepticism.
That last picture also reminds me of my arm and hand. 8)
ETA: I also spent some time on UFOlogy. I just had that squeezed out of me by time commitments.
QuoteAny of them could be something. I'm not convinced they are fossils or skulls but I wouldn't dismiss that they might be either. You need boots on the ground or failing that lots of pictures from other angles to confirm it is not paradeliawoteveritscalled.
so why is it not the same for a photograph taken from a sat in space..
I have too many questions about this picture and not enough time to investigate . the original it was taken from .. which was not linked in any of the articles ive seen .. so atm we just have there word...
QuoteI agree that some Mars images warrant further study. I think there is very good chance there is life on Mars now but we aren't looking in the right way.
even if that brings notion of triceratops on mars ?
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ns5300bc3d.jpg)
great that I can now link to the images on ats btw :D
QuoteI am seeing a lander shaped object, reflecting light in a manner more akin to a flat metal surface than the surrounding rock. It looks like a different material to anything else in the pictures. I can also see the lander arm quite clearly LOL ::) :P
but that Lander arm looks human leg shaped .. doesn't that ring alarm bells with you ?
QuoteI have a strong side interest in astrobiology in case you didn't know. I am also into consciousness research and alternative energy research but I'm not a physicist. My "field" is molecular biology especially brain and neuropharmacology stuff but I might be moving sideways to another research focus soon. Watch this space. I spent a number of years out of science (specifically out of the lab) to pursue business interests and working for the gubmint.
If I didn't think there was anything to find I wouldn't waste my time with astrobiology. It is still healthy to remain sceptical about any claim, from BOTH SIDES of the debate. There is too much one-sided pseudoscepticism.
ahh good , a neurologist.. so what do you think to complex extremophiles ? I may have brought them up once or twice before ? how far can silicates and the otherwise thought of 'inert's' go in your opin ? do these elements have viability, to form complex nervous and neural structures to support sentience from non-carbon bases?
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Quote from: funbox on September 06, 2016, 03:22:41 PM
but that Lander arm looks human leg shaped .. doesn't that ring alarm bells with you ?
No, it's the lander. :)
Quoteahh good , a neurologist..
Molecular biologist who studies brain stuff. A neurologist is a medic who studies or treats neurological illness.
Quoteso what do you think to complex extremophiles ?
Why not. If single celled organisms can exist near hot springs, extreme desert and volcanic springs then surely it is possible for vertebrates to. The question is could they evolve that way or be created.
I say created because humans are now at the point where we could direct our own genetics in the future. We could make ourselves better adapted to other environments effectively making ourselves into extremophiles and adapting to colonising other environments (planets).
Have I said before that the Goldilocks Zone is complete nonsense? Fact!If there are breakaway civilisations looking to recruit an out of the box thinker with molecular genetics knowledge, give me a call. ;D
Quotehow far can silicates and the otherwise thought of 'inert's' go in your opin ? do these elements have viability, to form complex nervous and neural structures to support sentience from non-carbon bases?
Yes but carbon is probably better in water based life. Other substrates perhaps.
In terms of other elements though, what about liquid ammonia environments? Could there be jellyfish like beings with silicate genomes swimming in a sea of ammonia? Neptune may have a water-ammonia mantle.
The only thing stopping us realising the possibilities for life is in the box thinking.
Quote from: Pimander on September 06, 2016, 03:51:29 PM
No, it's the lander. :)
you did see Zorgon's video .. what part of those legs are even remotely comparable to what we see on the photo
where are the thin ankles for starters :D
QuoteMolecular biologist who studies brain stuff. A neurologist is a medic who studies or treats neurological illness.
you saying i've got a brain injury ? :D eh,.. eh ?
QuoteWhy not. If single celled organisms can exist near hot springs, extreme desert and volcanic springs then surely it is possible for vertebrates to. The question is could they evolve that way or be created.
I say created because humans are now at the point where we could direct our own genetics in the future. We could make ourselves better adapted to other environments effectively making ourselves into extremophiles and adapting to colonising other environments (planets).
Have I said before that the Goldilocks Zone is complete nonsense? Fact!
If there are breakaway civilisations looking to recruit an out of the box thinker with molecular genetics knowledge, give me a call. ;D
ide say were on a page that looks the same
hell to one, paradise to another.. who are we to judge
QuoteYes but carbon is probably better in water based life. Other substrates perhaps.
In terms of other elements though, what about liquid ammonia environments? Could there be jellyfish like beings with silicate genomes swimming in a sea of ammonia? Neptune may have a water-ammonia mantle.
The only thing stopping us realising the possibilities for life is in the box thinking.
its the other substrates im most interested in , did you see the rockophiles ive posted before in the past ?, seemingly rock like but with undulating bases, sometimes markings sometimes not, hug the ground or other rocks like slugs. the appearance of adherence , wouldn't it be ironic if we were looking life in the face, rocklife in a rock garden, feeding on rocks.. but slow, like a tree
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so how is it that the images don't now appear.?
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cant even be less than an hour..
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testing
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/rc5513421c.jpg)
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Quote from: funbox on September 06, 2016, 04:36:04 PM
you did see Zorgon's video .. what part of those legs are even remotely comparable to what we see on the photo
where are the thin ankles for starters :D
Perhaps its a human trapped beneath a fridge on a comet with very low gravity and almost no atmosphere. :o
Quoteyou saying i've got a brain injury ? :D eh,.. eh ?
I'm saying you've been taking molecules!
Quoteide say were on a page that looks the same
The problem with career academics and government employed scientists is that they are afraid of being open about it. Lets face it, I am not the only one who can see that we KNOW life exists outside Goldilocks conditions. We don't know of many places apart from extremely high temperatures where life can't survive (albeit sometimes in a dormant state.
Space? Sea Plankton on Space Station? Russian Official Claims It's So (http://www.space.com/26888-sea-plankton-space-station-russian-claim.html)
How about bacteria that have survived since the early dinosaurs? Isolation of a 250 million-year-old halotolerant bacterium from a primary salt crystal (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v407/n6806/full/407897a0.html)
Don't forget scientists using a rover could not find life in the US desert even when the rover drove through huge dinosaur footprints! They are stuck in-the-box and don't know how to think their way out. ::)
Quotewouldn't it be ironic if we were looking life in the face, rocklife in a rock garden, feeding on rocks.. but slow, like a tree
It might be ironic but it would not be surprising at all. There are metalophiles too (meteorites).
QuotePerhaps its a human trapped beneath a fridge on a comet with very low gravity and almost no atmosphere. :o
or just a rock with some pertinent highlights
QuoteI'm saying you've been taking molecules!
tetrahydracannabinol molecules...never :D
QuoteThe problem with career academics and government employed scientists is that they are afraid of being open about it. Lets face it, I am not the only one who can see that we KNOW life exists outside Goldilocks conditions. We don't know of many places apart from extremely high temperatures where life can't survive (albeit sometimes in a dormant state.
the royal society and co don't like it when you step out of line ... look what happened to Bill Oddie , Johnny Ball, or David Kelly :D
QuoteIt might be ironic but it would not be surprising at all. There are metalophiles too (meteorites).
we're on the same page
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Quote from: funbox on September 06, 2016, 05:50:34 PM
the royal society and co don't like it when you step out of line ... look what happened to Bill Oddie , Johnny Ball, or David Kelly :D
Scientists working on programmes that don't officially exist are likely to be most open about outside-the-box thinking for obvious reasons. The problem is that people always question their credibility. The mainstream stifles openness.
ETA: Has this thread been off topic or what?
Quote from: Pimander on September 06, 2016, 06:07:48 PM
Scientists working on programmes that don't officially exist are likely to be most open about outside-the-box thinking for obvious reasons. The problem is that people always question their credibility. The mainstream stifles openness.
ETA: Has this thread been off topic or what?
mirror synergy at its best , one of their favourite games, the more ironic in meaning and execution ,.. I guess they get kicks somewhere
sadly not kicks where it hurts though :/
QuoteETA: Has this thread been off topic or what?
not really , its possible that what assa have photographed is a human box like mutation, banished to an icy world, aeons ago, think ill name it Leggy :D
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Quote from: funbox on September 06, 2016, 05:07:38 PM
so how is it that the images don't now appear.?
ATS now doesn't allow "hotlinking" to the images hosted on their servers, you can see them if you open ATS in another tab in your browser and refresh the page, that's what I did. :)
When the session on ATS ends you have to do it again to be able to see the images. People that do not do this cannot see the images, although they are still available.
It looks like Philae to me. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Philae_found.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2016, 09:04:18 PM
It looks like Philae to me. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Philae_found.jpg)
why doesn't that surprise me ? :D
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Quote from: funbox on September 06, 2016, 09:10:14 PM
why doesn't that surprise me ? :D
Because I'm predictable? :)
(that's a guess, although I don't like make them I do it from time to time, when the subject is not important)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2016, 08:52:29 PM
ATS now doesn't allow "hotlinking" to the images hosted on their servers, you can see them if you open ATS in another tab in your browser and refresh the page, that's what I did. :)
You can even click on a single ATS image link and open it in another tab. That allows you to see the images in peggy too.
So the lander shaped object that looks nothing like the rocks is not a human trapped beneath a refrigerator? That amazes me! ::) :P
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2016, 11:55:17 PM
Because I'm predictable? :)
(that's a guess, although I don't like make them I do it from time to time, when the subject is not important)
if I had said there was a robot on mars and showed you such a picture from a sat. you wouldn't be instantly agreeing with me , especially if I hadn't put up the link to the original picture.
but Nasaassa dropped it up there, a little montage, and now your cooing the official strapline , without all the measures you require from all else who make such claims
funbox
Quote from: funbox on September 07, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
if I had said there was a robot on mars and showed you such a picture from a sat. you wouldn't be instantly agreeing with me , especially if I hadn't put up the link to the original picture.
but Nasaassa dropped it up there, a little montage, and now your cooing the official strapline , without all the measures you require from all else who make such claims
NASA did NOT drop it there. GRRRRR! ::)
Philae is a European craft (ESA is European Space Agency). It travelled there on the Rosetta space ship (also ESA) and was launched from the ESA designed and built Ariane 5 rocket!
The difference between this and a Mars picture is obvious. We knew roughly where the lander was. We were specifically looking for a lander and we found a picture that looks just like the lander in the sort of place we expect. There isn't even a good reason to fake the picture as the mission is practically over.
And I NEVER just take any claim from any side of an argument at face value. ArMaP is not the kind of sceptic you are accusing him of being and he does if you read through his posts carefully see the merit in some of the arguments against the official line but only when there is good reason.
Lets say it isn't the lander. Does that prove there are secret human space programs or aliens on the comet? No. So obviously, as ArMaP implies, it isn't that important and doesn't warrant the same kind of scrutiny because it would be a pointless hoax that only proves what we already know - that the lander crashed in a place without much light because its harpoons didn't fire and anchor it to the comet surface.
If you're trying to make a point then pick on some of the sketchy "proof" that Apollo 11 really happened how we were told. On that topic ArMaP is not so sure, and if he says he is then I'll happily shout pseudo-sceptic. ;)
QuoteNASA did NOT drop it there. GRRRRR! ::)
Philae is a European craft (ESA is European Space Agency). It travelled there on the Rosetta space ship (also ESA) and was launched from the ESA designed and built Ariane 5 rocket!
and they obviously had no help from NASA, besides I didn't say nasa, I said Nasa-assa
QuoteThe difference between this and a Mars picture is obvious. We knew roughly where the lander was. We were specifically looking for a lander and we found a picture that looks just like the lander in the sort of place we expect. There isn't even a good reason to fake the picture as the mission is practically over.
no excuse to not put up the original picture of where it was found, why should we take there word for it ?
QuoteThere isn't even a good reason to fake the picture as the mission is practically over
no , cause all that money spent and a virtually failed project is no good reason :D
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And I NEVER just take any claim from any side of an argument at face value. ArMaP is not the kind of sceptic you are accusing him of being and he does if you read through his posts carefully see the merit in some of the arguments against the official line but only when there is good reason.
example please :D
QuoteLets say it isn't the lander. Does that prove there are secret human space programs or aliens on the comet? No. So obviously, as ArMaP implies, it isn't that important and doesn't warrant the same kind of scrutiny because it would be a pointless hoax that only proves what we already know - that the lander crashed in a place without much light because its harpoons didn't fire and anchor it to the comet surface.
see above above
QuoteIf you're trying to make a point then pick on some of the sketchy "proof" that Apollo 11 really happened how we were told. On that topic ArMaP is not so sure, and if he says he is then I'll happily shout pseudo-sceptic. ;)
this is sketchy proof, without the raw, any old crap can be peddled to the unquestioning
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Quote from: funbox on September 07, 2016, 01:53:11 PM
example please :D
You spend your time if you can be bothered to look at ArMaP's past posts. I have better things to do.
Like I say, this just isn't important enough to waste more time on.
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 02:37:04 PM
You spend your time if you can be bothered to look at ArMaP's past posts. I have better things to do.
Like I say, this just isn't important enough to waste more time on.
going on five years of chatting with him on mars and other topics.. i think i get his drift by now
agreed
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Yes, it does look pretty much like the lander IMO! For sure it is something other than "just a rock"! In the general pics of Philae I do not see anything that looks like that length of white piece/arm we see in the pic of it here. But Philae is a metallic looking box, it is supposed to be somewhere on this rock, and the people that put it there think they have found it! :)
Quote from: funbox on September 07, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
if I had said there was a robot on mars and showed you such a picture from a sat. you wouldn't be instantly agreeing with me , especially if I hadn't put up the link to the original picture.
You are wrong, as this looks artificial and nothing like the surrounding area. But without a link to the original picture I could have some doubts, as you could be "purposefully wrong" again. :P
Quotebut Nasaassa dropped it up there, a little montage, and now your cooing the official strapline , without all the measures you require from all else who make such claims
It was ESA not Nasaassa.
What measures do I ask besides an original photo? In this case ESA posted the photo, so it's the closest to the original at the moment, I just have to wait for the original to be available, like in other occasions.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 07:59:19 PM
You are wrong, as this looks artificial and nothing like the surrounding area. But without a link to the original picture I could have some doubts, as you could be "purposefully wrong" again. :P
so where's the link to the original picture?
QuoteIt was ESA not Nasaassa.
What measures do I ask besides an original photo? In this case ESA posted the photo, so it's the closest to the original at the moment, I just have to wait for the original to be available, like in other occasions.
:D wait away , in the meantime im going to play the
(http://i.imgur.com/unuhDPq.gif)
card
hows the rock hunting going ? :D found any robot shaped ones on mars lately ?, cause in the new batch, there looks like, what appears to be a rock*et thruster just lying about there on the side of a mound
no pictures cause im also playing the
(http://i.imgur.com/a0QjmHH.gif)
card
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Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 07:59:19 PM
What measures do I ask besides an original photo? In this case ESA posted the photo, so it's the closest to the original at the moment, I just have to wait for the original to be available, like in other occasions.
I found the photo in the UK press. It was released by the ESA I think.
Quote from: Pimander on September 08, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
I found the photo in the UK press. It was released by the ESA I think.
but they've not released the raw file, just the montage..its the rules of anomaly hunting sadly, show your source or piss off with that altered image :D don't take this personally its not your problem they're sloppy with showing sources :D
funbox
It's not the raw file yet (we have to wait for it to be published on the PDS), but I suppose this is the official photo, at least for now.
http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2016/09/OSIRIS_narrow-angle_camera_image_with_Philae_2_September
Quote from: ArMaP on September 08, 2016, 11:47:28 PM
It's not the raw file yet (we have to wait for it to be published on the PDS), but I suppose this is the official photo, at least for now.
http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2016/09/OSIRIS_narrow-angle_camera_image_with_Philae_2_September
ill count that as your verifiable sigh of relief :D
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Quote from: funbox on September 09, 2016, 12:02:17 AM
ill count that as your verifiable sigh of relief :D
And you'll be wrong, again, as there was no sigh of relief and not even a reason for that.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 09, 2016, 01:02:09 AM
And you'll be wrong, again, as there was no sigh of relief and not even a reason for that.
that's ok ArMaP , no doubt ill be wrong again in the future, all good though now, thanks to you, a good nights kip can be had by all
a very good night to you , kind Sir
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could I resist ? :D
*a tentacle come crashing down *
(http://i.imgur.com/a0QjmHH.gif)
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