https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw8pBi62eGf-ZUEydkpaVjZ0WWs/view
I can't vouch for every detail but one is left with a sense that 'where there's smoke, there's fire'. There is enough here that is extremely peculiar and disturbing.
Quote from: Eighthman on December 30, 2016, 12:32:25 AM
There is enough here that is extremely peculiar and disturbing.
The problem is how much of that is true and how much is the result of the imagination of several people.
I read some of the first pages and found only a repeating of the same theories we can find everywhere and not one real evidence.
First, there a number of surprising cases of officials in various nations in recent years involving pedophilia.
Secondly, the photos and art work associated with those accused are very disturbing to me.
Third, I have challenged anyone thinking otherwise to explain the strange comments in the emails that involve reputed code words. I read a huge amount of stuff on aggregation sites and witness plenty of dismissals but no thorough explanations as to what is being discussed. I did read a plausible explanation for the Breibart remark against Podesta as not involving Pizzagate - but more is needed.
I've been all over pizza gate. Will post Jason Horsely's take (which is most excellent) tomorrow maybe, if nobody else does. Check it out.
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Quote from: Eighthman on December 30, 2016, 02:01:11 AM
First, there a number of surprising cases of officials in various nations in recent years involving pedophilia.
That's true, and it's not surprising, as criminals always look for opportunity to commit their crimes easily, so paedophiles usually seek positions in which they can have some power over other people and be easily in contact with children.
QuoteSecondly, the photos and art work associated with those accused are very disturbing to me.
Some art is made just for that, without any other intention. I don't remember seeing any art work in connection with this case, I only read about it.
QuoteThird, I have challenged anyone thinking otherwise to explain the strange comments in the emails that involve reputed code words.
The problem starts with that word, "reputed", as anyone can say that some word is a code word. Also, most of the references I have seen are isolated, some do not even quote the whole email, so things look out of place.
Also, when we talk to people we know, we use many short-cuts that the other people understand, so while pizza may have a second meaning besides the obvious, it may be a completely different thing and not associated with something like paedophilia.
PS: if I was doing something illegal I wouldn't be talking about it through a GMail account, code words or no code words.
But that's precisely what they do, hiding in plain sight.
Look at Jimmy Savile.. Jingle Jangle.
Important people screw up, forget, lie, cover up and leave evidence lying around. It happens because they get arrogant, stupid, senile, drugged-up, drunk or uncaring.
It amazes me that no one notices that Trump has real trouble reading or writing. Or that Hillary ruined an entire nation and it didn't come up as a particular campaign issue (Libya). Or that Nixon forgot that White House conversations were recorded. Or that Condy Rice slipped up and nearly called Bush her husband (Smithsonian). Or that LBJ whipped out his 'johnson' to make a point to foreign press. Or that 9/11 terrorists focused on a Manhattan building instead of sending all planes to the Pentagon or White House as common sense would dictate. Or that Reagan showed clear symptoms of Alzheimers while in office and the media hid it (Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC)
Sh*t happens.
Quote from: ArMaP on December 30, 2016, 06:57:41 PMI don't remember seeing any art work in connection with this case, I only read about it.
Well there is this set
(https://i.redditmedia.com/BZc8rBS8SUyAzqOvHDfbi0IOWyxqDrAAqstGhmui7wY.jpg?s=a3528a624524e6bf1e8a06add1db354a)
And there is this from one of the other artists
Artist Targeted by #Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory Speakshttp://hyperallergic.com/347458/artist-targeted-by-pizzagate-conspiracy-theory-speaks/
Thank you. I didn't want to post that art on your site.
I believe there was some quickly buried evidence about nude photos of underage females on Podesta's walls.
Thanks for posting some of the art from that artist, zorgon.
To me those paintings look more like the result of the artist being a victim herself, and when I looked for more information about her I found that she has multiple personality disorder, and one of her personalities makes those paintings, while other personalities create different paintings.
The problem with art is that it's an interpretative thing, so each person has their own interpretation of the meaning of the art piece they are watching/listening/feeling, and it may be completely different from the artist's intent.
im so greatful i dont have images on.im with armap and just want the facts.once everything political gets settled in a few months,then hopefully a new justice department head can dive into this,otherwise if it continues,i could see this getting to the point folks become numb to the headlines.which would really be a sad situation.if its real.
It's been pointed out that the scandal involving 'pedophile island' and Bill Clinton is based on solid evidence - and no one seems interested in pursuing it.
In addition, after 15 years of the longest war in US history, the US media, government and military are guilty of ignoring or covering up the common culture of sexual slavery of young boys in Afghanistan. On rare occasions, such as on Yahoo news or the Week magazine, it gets brought up - or also in regard to threats of court martial made against US soldiers, if they interfere or intervene in such cases. British soldiers were also disgusted by this.
And then we have widespread human trafficking in Muslim nations involving children that the US doesn't want to make much of an issue of.
Quote from: Eighthman on December 31, 2016, 07:56:26 PM
It's been pointed out that the scandal involving 'pedophile island' and Bill Clinton is based on solid evidence - and no one seems interested in pursuing it.
In addition, after 15 years of the longest war in US history, the US media, government and military are guilty of ignoring or covering up the common culture of sexual slavery of young boys in Afghanistan. On rare occasions, such as on Yahoo news or the Week magazine, it gets brought up - or also in regard to threats of court martial made against US soldiers, if they interfere or intervene in such cases. British soldiers were also disgusted by this.
And then we have widespread human trafficking in Muslim nations involving children that the US doesn't want to make much of an issue of.
Considering the last eight years we have endured, I hope we will see some positive moves made; the people still have some power if they get vocal with their representatives and stir up enough public outcry...
But my views are too harsh for most, for I would take every pedophile out and feed them to the alligators and piranhas...
Seeker
wood chipper first,that way the wildlife equally share in the bounty.
BEST WAY EVER to run a cover up...
Just say any news reported on the pedophile problem is FAKE news and everyone goes away
Like THIS report?
Massive pedophile ring busted; 230 kids saved - US news - Crime ...QuoteAn Internet pedophile ring with up to 70,000 members — thought to be the world's largest —has been uncovered by police, a security official said Wednesday.
The European police agency Europol said in a statement that "Operation Rescue" had identified 670 suspects and that 230 abused children in 30 countries had been taken to safety. More children are expected to be found, Europol said.
It said that so far 184 people had been arrested and investigations in some countries were continuing. Most of those detained are suspected of direct involvement in sexually abusing children.
They include teachers, police officers and scout leaders, AP reported. One Spaniard who worked at summer youth camps is suspected of abusing some 100 children over five years.
Back in 2006 Missing TRILLIONS and Dyne Corp (an Area 51 contractor) involved in sex slave trading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJK3RvkSJFg&t=252s
The UK Government...
This has been goingh on for a long time...
How Thatcher's Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html
COVER UP?
Ex-British Prime Minister Named in Alleged Government Pedophile Docs
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/03/former-british-pm-edward-heath-investigated-for-child-sex-abuse.html
Even made it into Wikipedia
Westminster paedophile dossier - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier
A 'big political cover-up' of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/07/a-big-political-cover-up-of-1980s-pedophile-ring-in-u-k-parliament/?utm_term=.2b6b3a24d8cc
The devil looks after his own! UK government accidentally deletes pedophile ring testimonies
https://www.sott.net/article/304289-The-devil-looks-after-his-own-UK-government-accidentally-deletes-pedophile-ring-testimonies
Australia...
60 Minutes Australia Exposes Government Pedophiles
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/media/informational/60-minutes-australia-exposes-government-pedophiles/
Pedophilia Network Exposed in Australia — It Starts at the TOP
http://www.anonews.co/pedophilia-network-australia/
Well nothing to see here folkes move along now... it's probably all just fake news :P
Think about it - there are so many of these cases involving officials or politicians from nations around the world - and the numbers and positions cited simply scream conspiracy. It can't be any other way, given the nature of the crimes committed.
What is going on? I continue to strongly believe that we are witnessing the exposure of a control mechanism. Consider how homosexuality may have been used this way in the past - in male-dominated institutions such as the Nazi brown shifts (until Hitler assumed total power). This means of control has faded away with social acceptance of being gay.
This could be very good for human society as gays might not be able to be blackmailed anymore - AND pedophiles are exposed so that an underlying disgusting unity by politicians could be ending. Suppose people got elected and the Elite 'didn't have anything on them' ?
The fact that some people with power over other people abuse that power to commit crimes, and, in this specific case, sexual crimes against children, doesn't mean that all people in those power positions do it or that all reports are true.
Just because someone speculates about a possibility doesn't turn that possibility into a fact, and we shouldn't ignore the possibility that some cases are just made up to stir people away from the real ones.
That's why I prefer facts. :)
i agree armap,but its a common technique for freemasons to say hal their crew are black and the other half white,or more common for them to say misguided youth or a brother gone astray.
the thing is,organized crime can be a very dangerous thing because like setting off a nuke,it just takes one time when all things align right.like the lock hacker that sits down and just keeps generating numbers,if nobody stops them,they eventually hit the code.if its bad guys,then we get the results we are seeing now.these even if stopped now,will take generations to straighten out.
I reply like the North Vietnamese officer who was told that the US won every battle.
"That is true. It is also irrelevant". Hard, proven facts don't go far enough for real life. No one uses a laser range finder with an integrated calculator to cross a busy street and avoid getting hit by a bus. We also use intuition to pick marriage mates, invest in the stock market, pursue scientific breakthroughs and......vote.
We have no choice, living in a world without personal omniscience. Take your best guess in the poker game of life, that's just how it is. Unfortunately, we got stuck with the superficial philosophy of a pot-head astrophysicist who spoke about extraordinary evidence - thereby deepening the world's stagnation in many fields.
hey dont blame potheads for hawkings line of bs for 20 years.or are we talkin about that other dude that just passed a few years ago.
the stagnation has ended as mhd is coming to forefront,what sucks is public funding seems to be nill even though the tech is out there already.the tr3b platform seems to be reliable,now to upsize.
mhd is all so research has limited itself.now to focus direction on ultra chemicals as i bet we are only hslf way there.its 10 times the challenge though.physics is gravy compared to chemistry.
Quote from: Eighthman on January 02, 2017, 04:03:21 AMUnfortunately, we got stuck with the superficial philosophy of a pot-head astrophysicist who spoke about extraordinary evidence - thereby deepening the world's stagnation in many fields.
And whom are you referring to? Be specific and factual in your statements...
Seeker
I think Sagan made a huge contribution to scientific stagnation when he said 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'. Any claim, big or small, should require evidence. The problem is moving the goalposts to make things forever unattainable - especially in transient or subtle effects.
And who defines what "extraordinary" is? Extraordinary to who? If nature defines something as ordinary, mundane, then it's just a matter of human perception. So, what?......as long as pathological skeptics exist, that's it, the end?
This isn't just rhetorical debate. How many lives are lost trading blood for oil while cold fusion (LENR) is hotly denied after 30 years or so of observation? Has Sci Am finally broken a barrier by admitting that "cold fusion' is something real, whatever it is?
Getting back to the topic, isn't it evident that politicians are deeply afraid of something as Obama leaves office? More than just Trump alone?
Quote from: Eighthman on January 02, 2017, 04:03:21 AM
"That is true. It is also irrelevant". Hard, proven facts don't go far enough for real life.
They should, at least when those facts may affect someone's life.
QuoteNo one uses a laser range finder with an integrated calculator to cross a busy street and avoid getting hit by a bus.
That's not using facts, that's using useless detail for the job at hand.
QuoteWe also use intuition to pick marriage mates, invest in the stock market, pursue scientific breakthroughs and......vote.
And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
QuoteUnfortunately, we got stuck with the superficial philosophy of a pot-head astrophysicist who spoke about extraordinary evidence - thereby deepening the world's stagnation in many fields.
That's why I never use that stupid quote, evidence doesn't have to be extraordinary, it has only to be relevant and true.
Pizzagate and more are in the realm of speculation or intuition at present. We can hope for a day when the hard facts are exposed in a courtroom.
To my view, I am regularly stunned by what appears to be a Western world, dominated by the US, that has gone insane. I truly cannot tell if the Elite are stupid, grossly deceived or just evil. Maybe a bit of all three explains it.
Quote from: Eighthman on January 02, 2017, 02:11:50 PM
I think Sagan made a huge contribution to scientific stagnation when he said 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'. Any claim, big or small, should require evidence. The problem is moving the goalposts to make things forever unattainable - especially in transient or subtle effects.
Carl Sagan was a talking head, a spin doctor, following the guide lines laid out for him; evidence is just that, evidence...
QuoteAnd who defines what "extraordinary" is? Extraordinary to who? If nature defines something as ordinary, mundane, then it's just a matter of human perception. So, what?......as long as pathological skeptics exist, that's it, the end?
The problem stems from the fact that the majority of the sheeple, er, people will blindly listen without doing any fact checking thus accepting what they are told as being the straight skinny from the self proclaimed "experts"
QuoteThis isn't just rhetorical debate. How many lives are lost trading blood for oil while cold fusion (LENR) is hotly denied after 30 years or so of observation? Has Sci Am finally broken a barrier by admitting that "cold fusion' is something real, whatever it is?
There is a book that has been out for
years that details which government facility in the desert southwest to walk in and see a scale model of a working fusion reactor...
QuoteGetting back to the topic, isn't it evident that politicians are deeply afraid of something as Obama leaves office? More than just Trump alone?
They are afraid of what he represents, mainly the working class and conservative people of this country; he is an outsider, not a bought and paid for political POS, so, yeah, they need to be very afraid.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aURx1u4FvE8
Published on Dec 14, 2016
Yes PEDO rings DO exist.and YES they must be investigated.and YES JUSTICE must be served!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXjWAr2zZk