Project Camelot with Robert David Steele - Worth a look if you are interested in

[petrus4]

David "intuitive empath" Wilcock has agenda akin I think to 4 Names - IE pretend to be doing his own research about the many diverse subjects in the esoteric and I suspect will be producing a book/video/film plagiarising more of the noted the investigators works and research, I could be wrong but that is what my gut tells me. 

I spent some time with David on a mailing list back in 2005ish.  He's not a deliberately malevolent guy; his only real problem is that he's full of shit around 80% of the time, (although the 20% is almost brilliant enough to make up for it; when he does get it right, he's scary) but is convinced that he isn't.  He then trusts other people who are likewise full of shit, (Ben Fulford being a great example) to be headline guests on his site.

I do not believe that Wilcock is intentionally fraudulent.  He suffers from a combination of paranoia, arrogance, and naivete, but fundamentally he has positive intentions.

[fansongecho]

@ArMaP, great info re the Portugal / Great Britain relationship, thanks for that, wow! 

@Petrus4, thanks for the insight into DW, Kerry from Camelot "seemed" to have placed a lot of faith in his abilities.  Is it possible for you to expand on the 20% that he does get right please ?, no worries if not, thanks Fans'

[ArMaP]

You may find some of the information on OMF on the Internet Wayback <achine.

I know, I have been using that site for many years.

[petrus4]

Is it possible for you to expand on the 20% that he does get right please ?, no worries if not, thanks Fans'

Some of his earlier work was an article demonstrating that what we thought was global warming, was in fact affecting the entire solar system, and he had photographic evidence showing changes to the other planets as well.  This was back in the early 2000s, though; I don't think the post is still up any more.  It was very eye opening for me though, and is also why I don't come down one way or the other on the climate change debate, because I realise that the real truth is that humanity did not cause it, but our behaviour is not helping, either.

[Shasta56]

I hadn't  thought about our planet's climate change affecting the solar system, but it makes sense.  Like ripples in a pond.

[fansongecho]

@Petrus4, thanks for the information  and I agree we are not helping the planet on any level, because we suck at being good stewards for Planet Earth, I think I saw this link on here some where but it is worth a look I think http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/milankovitch-cycles

@Shasta56, how's the antlers today? 

[Shasta56]

I got some sleep, so no antlers today.  I still have to work swing shift tonight though, so antlers may happen.  I never know what expect.

[ArMaP]

@ArMaP, great info re the Portugal / Great Britain relationship, thanks for that, wow! 

I forgot one thing, the Peninsular War, the part of Napoleonic wars in the Iberian Peninsula.

Portugal was invaded by a French-Spanish army, while the king and most of the court ran away to Brazil. Things deteriorated in Spain, with the people revolting against what was in fact French occupation, and with the French forces divided between fighting the people in Spain and keeping Portugal under occupation it was the best time for the UK to intervene, so they landed a relatively large force in Portugal to fight the French. The Napoleonic forces crushed the revolution in Spain and advanced to Portugal, capturing the second biggest city, Oporto, from where they were removed with a second wave of British forces reinforced by Portuguese forces trained by the British.

After that the British forces, led by Arthur Wellesley, organized a fortified defence of the only way the French troops could follow to reach Lisbon, and that defence worked, forcing the French to retreat to Spain, where the British forces followed them.

I also forgot to say that it was based on that old treaty that Portugal, although neutral, accepted the UK's request for naval and air bases in the Azores during WWII, and the UK (and the USA) used those bases until the end of the war.

[fansongecho]

@ArMaP - thanks again, totally amazing.

[petrus4]

@Petrus4, thanks for the information  and I agree we are not helping the planet on any level, because we suck at being good stewards for Planet Earth

The problem is that the practical definition of positive morality, is the acceptance of misery ourselves, in the process of doing that which benefits others.  Ayn Rand criticised what she referred to as Comtean altruism, but the sad truth is that said altruism is the only manner by which any form of life survives.  Nature is ultimately a network of life forms which all die so that something else may live.  The reason why the natural environment is increasingly ceasing to exist, is because humanity is now unwilling to live by that principle.  If we forget it completely, then we will become extinct, and we will truly deserve to.

Self-sacrifice is the only real form of virtue that exists.  It is the only real nobility.  Everything else that we at least used to consider ethically positive, stems from it.  I struggle with this, due to a chronic aversion to pain, and fear, and anger, and the usual disgusting emotional distractions which all of us have, which means that I have not lived by it to anywhere near the degree that I should have; but the most elevated and even euphoric moments of my existence, have come as a result of living by it.  I write this because, if I am a hypocrite, then let someone else read it and be inspired to greater consistency than my own.

The first lesson one must learn is to forget one's self. To give out in love all that is possible from within yourself, and it shall be returned to you. These things that Christ spoke about, and all the great teachers, and all the great philosophers down through the ages, was that man himself should forget himself, that he in return might find himself.

When you lose yourself in a sea of love, then indeed do you find that you lap again the shores. It is as if you cast yourself into the cleansing power of the eternal sea of love, and you do not become drowned, but you become, as it were, lifted up - buoyed up by it - and you are carried by it, and in consequence, your work then begins. And many a shore you may be cast upon, and you will enable others to find that which you have found.

-- Gandhi.

The single greatest tragedy that has befallen humanity in the current age, is the fact that we are no longer truly willing to die for each other, or for the other forms of life that exist here.  To the extent that we now have corrupt tyrannies in virtually every country on the planet, it is because we are unwilling to die.  None of us are willing to be among those who governments initially kill, so that said governments can be replaced by those who it does not.

[The Seeker]

Petrus, that quote by Gandhi also mirrors the wisdom of Edgar Cayce, who stated that "emptying self of self allows us to find our true self, and connect to our higher self, in order to become our selfs"...

there are basically only 2 paths you can follow here, self-service or service to others,yet the end result is often the same, for those immersed in service to self, in the end, ultimately end up performing service to others, one way or another...

as for the planet itself, countless times the cycle has begun and ended, only to renew and begin again until the next extinction and beginning, yet lamestream archeology still sadly refuses to consider that the pyramids are far older than egyptian society, that the fore runner civilizations told about in the Vedas had a nuclear war, and that there is truth buried in every myth and legend...

but the puppetmasters try very hard to keep the blinders on the sheeple and quite often succeed, for the most part, as the cycle continues to play itself out and we head towards the next renewal of the cycle; we are overdue for the next cleansing/ ice age...