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Started by Pimander, October 01, 2014, 12:56:45 PM

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undo11

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Quote from: Pimander on October 02, 2014, 12:07:15 AM
it isn't okey with me to kill anyone for disagreeing.

thank you, pim.  i was concerned that isis represented the desire of the "Free world" to just be done with the fundie thing, permanently. unfortuntately, as you pointed out earlier, fundie is described as either muslim or protestant, and having been raised early on, as a protestant, i would very remotely resemble that comment. in fact,i often referred to myself as a fundie christian.  but now that i have a better grasp of what is transpiring on the planet, i will not go quietly into the dark night. 

that doesn't mean, however, that i approve of what they are doing in iraq. it just means i don't want to be subjected to islamic laws. thanks but no thanks.  from what i can tell, that's enlil revisited, and we've had several thousand years of him, already
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Quote from: undo11 on October 01, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
if someone doesn't stop this isis thing from spreading, you can all kiss your shiney hineys good bye. cause the machine sounds to be designed for the purpose of
..gaining an asymmetric advantage in the (their) operational environment. Hence why US airstrikes are targeting critical infrastructure of IS's unconventional/conventional support structure.

It seems like OPE (Operational preparation of the environment). Which means we'll likely see conventional forces on the ground in the near future. In this case, I presume the free syrian Army and it's moderate affiliates constitute the ground forces. I'm sure US SF are vetting them as we speak.

JFK, 1962 United States Military Academy


[W]e need to be prepared to fight a different war. This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin, war by guerilla, subversives, insurgents, assassins; war by

ambush instead of combat, by infiltration instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him and these are the challenges that will be before us in the next decade if freedom is to be saved, a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training.
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

ArMaP

Quote from: undo11 on October 01, 2014, 11:49:58 PM
is it really, HONESTLY, worth it to hold to your view that because you disagree with someone that he/she should be coerced, forced or otherwise manipulated into believing as you do, or die?
I don't think it is, or to kill someone just to get access to the resources of their lands or just because they have the "wrong" colour, etc., I think that killing someone should be only used as a last attempt to save out someone else's life.

Glaucon

Quote from: undo11 on October 01, 2014, 11:49:58 PM

is it really, HONESTLY, worth it to hold to your view that because you disagree with someone that he/she should be coerced, forced or otherwise manipulated into believing as you do, or die?
Absolutely not, but a problem arises from this justification. Particularly, the Western Worlds historic capability to kill those who don't believe in "Universal human" rights.

     The recruits and believers who wave Al Qaeda's flag believe they're saving the "Caliphate" from American Imperialism and the West's "hypocrisy". What they really need is a good education...


"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

undo11

Quote from: Glaucon on October 02, 2014, 12:50:32 AM
Absolutely not, but a problem arises from this justification. Particularly, the Western Worlds historic capability to kill those who don't believe in "Universal human" rights.

     The recruits and believers who wave Al Qaeda's flag believe they're saving the "Caliphate" from American Imperialism and the West's "hypocrisy". What they really need is a good education...

yeah, what a horrible situation this has all turned out to be.
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