proof the pyramids were not built by KHUFU

[zorgon]

Oh dear  seems we DO have Egyptian grinding stones   

[ArMaP]

The reason there are no records in Egyptian society is because the Egyptians didn't build them

Lack of proof of something is not proof that the opposite happened.

Until you (anyone) can do this, all the theories are bunk being a stone cutter myself I KNOW I could not do it with those tools  and those tools are the only ones they supposedly had according to archaeologists. If you cannot reproduce the results that one claims others used, then you have no case.

Once again, the lack of proof is not proof of the opposite. If the tools they say were used are not capable of doing it then it means that probably other tools were used, only that.

According to current geological dating these 8 pyramids all built within a 50 year or so range are the oldest  http://www.oldest.org/structures/pyramids/

I think your numbers are wrong, the oldest on that list is 158 years older that the newest.

The oldest one is a pyramid made of mastabas on top of each other, something they were doing before.

Because we have historically accurate records of the last time the water was that high in Egypt. No one had a reason to hide that data

But the marks are on the Sphinx, not on the pyramids.

Then you haven't been paying attention to posts and to the work of Brian Forster 

No, I have more important things to do with my time. The name "Brian Forster" means nothing to me.

THESE are puzzle block stones  fit so closely you can't get a knife blade between them  They are found all around the world under many other ruins  especially in Peru and Bolivia but in Egypt as well

PERU



EGYPT

I thought it could be that, but I like to know what I'm supposed to be commenting on.

Although the method is the same the rocks, obviously, are not the same.

It's no surprise to find the same method used by people that used the same materials.

Even children that start making Lego buildings learn that having aligned blocks is the best way of not being able to make a stable structure.

They are not invisible 

If I can't see them then they are invisible to me.

If you were a serious seeker of truth you would join the organization 

I'm interested in knowledge and in the truth, not in organizations.

Quite frankly, I don't really care if you believe it or not   but just being skeptical without ever going on a trip to check it out yourself is not a very good way to find truth

I can't even afford to visit the village where my father was born, some 200 km from me. Truth is important, getting food is more important.

The inventory stela IS a confirmable fact 

It is, so lets talk about some Inventory stela facts.

First, how old is it?

[ArMaP]

I suppose this is the most complete translation of the Stela of the Daughter of Cheops.

The inscription on the frame:

Live the Horus Medjed, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Cheops, given life. He found the house of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramids, next to the house of Haurun, northwest of the house of Osiris, Lord of Rasetau. He (re)built the pyramid of the king's daughter Henutsen beside this temple. He made an inventory, carved on a stela, for his mother Isis, the mother of the god, Hathor, Mistress of the Sky. He restored for her the divine offerings and (re)built her temple in stone, that which he found in ruins being renewed, and the gods in their place.

The rest of the inscriptions have many missing parts:

The temenos of Haurun-Harmakhis is south of the temple domain of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramids, and north of Osiris, Lord of Rasetau.The writings of the temple of Harmakhis were brought to make the inventory (bis) of this divine being (?) of the great [. . . ] his effigy, its casing entirely covered with designs [ . . . ] he made [. . . ] which is in gilded stone of seven cubits [ . . . ] in the temenos of Harmakhis, in conformity with this model that is carved [...] . He set up an offering table for the vases [...] . May he endure. May he live forever and ever, his face turned toward the east.

Found on pages 100 to 102 of this PDF.

[petrus4]

Personally I respect Graham Hancock - so I may well be coloured on the subject - but why wouldn't they guy debate and discuss the subject matter with Graham, its not as if Graham is a forceful and domineering personality 

Hawass is a self-serving narcissist.  I've seen him demonstrate that multiple times.  All he cares about is being the man in the spotlight.

I don't think it's fair to accuse him of single handedly destroying Egyptology, however; there is more than one rotten apple in that particular cart.

I know the Netjeru exist.  I am not going to go into specifics, but I have had contact with one of them on more than one occasion.  It wasn't physical contact, no; but eventually you get to the point where something happens with sufficient consistency, over a sufficient number of times, that you realise that if you keep attributing it to imagination or hallucinations, you're actually lying to yourself.

My own opinion regarding the Great Pyramid is that Egypt is a country which has had multiple civilisations; so whenever you say "the Egyptians," built something, it's necessary to then ask which ones.  I believe the knowledge of the oldest group(s) were given to them directly by the Netjeru themselves.  I don't necessarily believe that the Netjeru are aliens in Georgio Tsoukalos' sense of the word; they're more extradimensional acorporeals than physical beings who exist somewhere in our own space.  Or at least, that is what they are now.  They very well could have had physical bodies at one point for all I know.

I am also inclined to believe that between different astrological ages, some of the most fundamental rules actually change.  So there are things which could happen during Pisces or Aries, and those things might have been recorded, but living in Aquarius we laugh at that and assume it must be just myths, because everything in Aquarius is much more physical and materialistic than it is in some other signs' ages.

I don't think Khufu built the great pyramid, but I will admit that if Armap asked me for proof of that, I wouldn't be able to give it to him.  I will say that I don't think it makes logical sense, however, for the inside of the pyramid near where that cartouche is, to be covered in graffiti from the Romans and other people, and underneath all of that, to pick one particular Egyptian identifying mark, and assume complete certainty from that, that you know who the pyramid's builder was.  I can not say with certainty that Khufu did not build the pyramid, but I don't believe that academia or anyone else can say with certainty that he did.  I don't think that sort of certainty exists when you are talking about something as old as that pyramid. 

Nobody really knows anything.  We can go and look at it and dig around, and one person might say Khufu built it, and others might say that aliens did it.  Neither group have time travel, so they can't go back 6,000 or however many years it was and definitely check.  Archaeology is not a consistently hard science.  Sometimes it is, in the sense that you can dig something up, and rediscover the manner in which said artifact was made, and then if you can reproduce said result with said method, you can at least say that that might be the method that was used, although you can't say that it definitely was, or that the method you've found is the only possible one, because you have no way of proving that.

A truly scientific attitude, is one which says that the only thing you can know, is what is immediately and directly in front of you, and does not try and make general inferences if some element of the proof for said inferences is not there.  I will admit that I allow myself suspicions, and again, my suspicion is that Khufu may not (I will not say did not) have built the pyramid; but I acknowledge that suspicion is conjecture without hard proof, which means that if said proof is found which contradicts that, then if said proof is compelling, I have to accept it.