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Started by petrus4, June 17, 2013, 06:39:41 PM

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Quote from: petrus4 on June 18, 2013, 03:39:24 PM
When Amaterasu says that there is sufficient room for all of us, she did refer to the state of Texas.  Cities tend to be designed around pre-existing arable land.  Permaculture has demonstrated that it is possible to rehydrate arid environments, but it does take considerable work.  If this was done, however, that land could be reclaimed.


Yes there is lots of room by acerage. But yes we need arable land to survive  A 100 acre piece of land without water is useless for life  That is why deserts are unpopulated

Can you terraform a desert by adding water? YES Its being done all around the world currently using massive solar power collectors to provide energy

BUT we are running out of water  You can only iirigate so much desert before a lack of water becomes and issue. The great lakes are already dropping dangerously and THAT is a first in history

And in the CURENT paradigm it takes work yes  LOTS of work and currently that means MONEY  like it or not.

Here is one such project in Israel 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=reclamation-of-man-made-desert

But it comes at a GREAT PRICE

California's San Joaquin Valley,  the place where most of the food we eat in the USA has been irrigating their fields for decades. The result is water loss to evaporation so much so that the ENTIRE VALLEY has sunk because of ground water being pumped out. Soon it will be BELOW SEA LEVEL and then the Ocean will flood that land via San Fransisco bay and we will lose that arable land that feeds most of the nation




Image from USGS, 1977
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. This illustration shows how much the Valley sank from 1925 to 1977.  The photograph above illustrates subsidence in the San Joaquin Valley, California. In the photo, USGS scientist, Joe Poland shows subsidence between 1925 and 1977 due to fluid withdrawel and soil consolidation


So tell me how TAP will solve that issue...  8)





The antigravity research of people like John Hutchison needs to be utilised as well, when it is sufficiently mature.  The ideal scenario would be one in which the majority of individuals lived in structures which were suspended above the terrestrial surface via antigravity, which would give the environment a chance to recover, while removing the need for the cabal's proposed culling of the human population, a la Agenda 21.

It has been estimated that the carrying capacity of the planet's surface is ten billion people, if it were to be appropriately utilised.  Non-pathological, truly effective urban design will be radically different from current cities; and more than anything else, will be constructed in a modular manner, from entirely recyclable materials.  The purpose of this would be to ensure that new architectural and technological advances could be incorporated directly into existing buildings, as soon as the designs mature.

Mind you, it is worth noting that what I have quoted here, are primarily technologically oriented solutions.  Permaculture and related movements also have their own proposals, which include such things as rammed Earth, cob and hay bail miniature house designs, etc.  Mike Reynolds' work into building with recyclable materials should also be investigated.

My own desire is to keep in mind proposed solutions from both the Venus Project (Uranian/technological/left brain hemisphere) and Permaculture (Saturnine/classical/right brain hemisphere) perspectives.  Both offer valuable pieces of the puzzle, and neither are likely to be entirely successful, in exclusion of the other.
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Amaterasu

Quote from: zorgon on June 23, 2013, 10:37:26 PM
Yeah cool that one  The first mention of a Star Gate or Jump Gate :D

The IDEA has been around since the cave man... the implimentation has happened several times in history at various levels.. EVERYTIME it has always fallen because a few take control and steer it in the wrong direction.

Wrong.  All fail because they have no INCENTIVE for People to add Their energy as required by the system to function, OR they had some kind of MONEY which ALLOWED Some to take over Others.  In TAP, no Human energy is REQUIRED to provide all necessities, and, with no money and a stigmergic governance, there IS NO WAY to "take control."

Again, TAP CANNOT be compared to history because throughout history We have ALWAYS hadd to add Human energy to the system for it to function, and We have ALWAYS had money or other exchange REQUIRED to survive.

QuoteA utopian system will always mean the majority of people will become lazy and apathetic.

First, You compare Humans who are powerless over Self, who seem "lazy and apathetic" because They CANNOT AFFORD to do what They really WANT to do.

I'm not seeing any "elite" getting "lazy and apathetic..."

And while We're at it, define "lazy" when no work is REQUIRED to survive.  Sitting on a beach in Cancun sipping margaritas?  LEISURE is not "laziness," a word developed to denigrate Those who did not want to be subtle slaves.  A word to suggest that LEIZURE in the slave class is unacceptable.

QuoteI KNOW you, Amy and others refuse to accept that but it is true.

And You know this how?  Have You seen Humans freed to do anything and everything They want to do?

QuoteIf everyone had free marijauna and didn't have to work for a living... a vast number would just sit and veggitate with a joint and not really care what was going on.

I disagree.  That happens when One CAN'T AFFORD to do what One wants, so One tends to just dream about it.  Also, WHO CARES WHAT THEY DO?????  The whole point of TAP is to let Us all do what We WANT to do.  Stripped of the commerce angle, the functioning of society is astonishingly simple, and, as Humans are problem-solvers, when a problem affects One, One is MOTIVATED to solve it.  And if there are no problems to solve...  Heh.  No problem

QuoteSooner or later one evil mind will come along and take control.

Wanna place bets?  HOW would this be done with nothing to pay toadies with?  HOW would it happen with governance decentralized to the max?  I'll believe You when You can give Me ONE credible scenario.

QuoteLook at the currant Muslim situation... never mind if you consider them activists or peaceful... what matters is the MINDSET and the fact that by shear numbers THEIR paridigm will take over the world in a few years by simply breeding numbers.

You cannot reach your tipping point while their tipping point is spreading like a plague. And make no mistake  they are not interested in a free society

Interesting...  I have had quite a bit of interest in My work from moderate Muslims...  Hmmmm.

QuoteSo if tipping points are to be decided by mere thought, belief and awareness... (law of attraction) then you have already lost by sheer force of numbers

Huh?  We haven't "won" yet by that force.  When enough minds are touched, it will shift and We WILL create a better planet.

"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."