Seven Days In May

[Eighthman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_in_May

I never thought I would live to see a US President possibly overthrown because he wanted a peace deal with Russia - just like the movie, "Seven Days In May".

Question: what is more insane than anything Trump has ever done?       Answer: the people who hate him so much that they keep pushing for WW3, just to oppose him.

[The Seeker]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_in_May

I never thought I would live to see a US President possibly overthrown because he wanted a peace deal with Russia - just like the movie, "Seven Days In May".

Question: what is more insane than anything Trump has ever done?       Answer: the people who hate him so much that they keep pushing for WW3, just to oppose him.

I have an off topic question for you; do you by any chance live in Naples Florida or have the initials NB? An answer is not required, but you did state that Libeterianism is your passion and you do remind me of someone...



Seeker

[Eighthman]

Sorry, nope.   Libertarianism is like falling in love with a woman you know you can never live with.

I think the Founding Fathers had a sense that some practical freedoms came from common action - such as law enforcement or defending a nation from attack.  I can't see how living under the gun of not having health insurance is any kind of freedom.

[The Seeker]

Sorry, nope.   Libertarianism is like falling in love with a woman you know you can never live with.

I think the Founding Fathers had a sense that some practical freedoms came from common action - such as law enforcement or defending a nation from attack.  I can't see how living under the gun of not having health insurance is any kind of freedom.

Go back in time and look at the constitution; the majority of the responsibility lay in the hands of the states, not the Fed; until Woodrow Wilson abrogated the constitution when he signed into law the Federal Reserve System (which is privately owned) and the IRS, giving birth to the Corporation of the United States of America...


Seeker

[Eighthman]

States you say?  Nevada in particular is mostly Federal land - it barely exists at all.

[Pimander]

I never thought I would live to see a US President possibly overthrown because he wanted a peace deal with Russia - just like the movie, "Seven Days In May".

I think you'll find people are more concerned about the fact he wants to ignore the constitution and does not believe in an independent judiciary.  Slightly worrying.

[Eighthman]

The biggest threat I see is that the NSA - Deep State takes total control of the government - if they haven't already.

They can spy on, expose, frame, or destroy anyone, anywhere.  Judges, Congress, Senators, the President.

Flawed as he is,  Trump has to win this fight.  Arguing about the Constitution is small compared to this threat.

[Pimander]

They can spy on, expose, frame, or destroy anyone, anywhere.  Judges, Congress, Senators, the President.

You mean like the FBI did with Hilary Clinton's Presidential run? Absolute gold! 

Arguing about the Constitution is small compared to this threat.

Well not really.  I thought the constitution is the reason you all need to have guns.  Get defending it then.

In the UK the independence of the Judiciary from the legislature and Prime Minister is sacrosanct.  I thought it was in the US (although the fact that Supreme Court judges are appointed by political parties makes a mockery of that).

The USA and its status as a guiding light for democracy in the world is looking diminished right now.

[Irene]

I think you'll find people are more concerned about the fact he wants to ignore the constitution and does not believe in an independent judiciary.  Slightly worrying.

The problem with the American Judiciary is that instead of objectively interpreting the law as they are supposed to do they are politicizing their decisions.

That is not how it is supposed to work.

[Pimander]

The problem with the American Judiciary is that instead of objectively interpreting the law as they are supposed to do they are politicizing their decisions.

That is not how it is supposed to work.

I'm calling BS on this one.

It is enshrined in the American constitution that all people are equal regardless of nationality and religion, etc.  Trumps exec order discriminates on the basis of NATIONALITY and those people are all of one particular RELIGION.

That is not politics it is illegal to run the country in a manner that is not in line with the constitution.  That is law not politics.  Trump is attempting to discriminate on the basis of nationality (and effectively religion) which is illegal.  The fact that he is picking a fight with the judiciary also violated the principle of an independent judiciary.

And if judges do things politically (like making Bush President when Gore won by voting in line with party affiliation) then is it surprising?  Your politicians are involved in appointing judges which is anathema in a modern democracy.  The judiciary should be independent of the legislature (lawmakers or the politicians) but in the USA it is not.

In the UK politicians have no say in the appointment of judges and we don't even have a written constitution.  You would NEVER see the Supreme Court Justice appointed by a politician in the UK or any REAL democracy.

[The Seeker]

So, who does appoint judges in the UK? And as far as appointments over here, yes, the Potus makes the choice, but the house of reps and the senate have final say so on who is appointed...

as to the immigration issue, you sir are as bad as the MSM; all Mr Trump is wanting to do is greatly improve the screening and vetting process from 7 areas rife with radical (possibly terroristic) intent...
public opinion is behind him on this issue;it is the idiot left that is stirring the pot, and this is the same bunch that is paying protestors and busing them to locations; I daresay if the left was in the white house for the next 4 years that the united states would crumble if not be involved in WWIII...

The main factor behind all this leftist bovine feces is not even an american national or citizen; George Soros. I will not voice my opinion of Mr Soros or what my recommendation for dealing with him should be...



Seeker

[Pimander]

So, who does appoint judges in the UK? And as far as appointments over here, yes, the Potus makes the choice, but the house of reps and the senate have final say so on who is appointed...

Exactly.  Which means the judiciary is not independent.  So don't complain when the judiciary start politicking as the system is ridiculous.

as to the immigration issue, you sir are as bad as the MSM; all Mr Trump is wanting to do is greatly improve the screening and vetting process from 7 areas rife with radical (possibly terroristic) intent...

Again this is BS.  If it was about security then why not vet Pakistani and Saudi Arabians then?  That is where most of the overseas terrorists attacks have originated from (including 9/11).

It is discrimination.  You have to treat everyone the same under the constitution.  Vet everyone if it isn''t discrimination.

public opinion is behind him on this issue

That is irrelevant.  It is still illegal.

The whole point in the rule of law is so the mob don't rule.  To protect minorities.

Don't forget 3million more people voted for Hilary than Trump so in this case it is the majority who are protected by the law.   


I don't understand how idiotic people can be.  America is losing the plot.  Why not just bin the constitution?

Trump has minority rule and is now attacking the judiciary.  That is perilously close to something that happened in Germany in the 1930s.

[Irene]

Pimander,

Your following quote tells me you know nothing about what it is to be an American.

I don't understand how idiotic people can be. America is losing the plot. Why not just bin the Constitution?

The document is sound. It is how it is being applied and interpreted that is the problem.

[Irene]

Pimander,

Again, you are missing something with this statement.

It is enshrined in the American Constitution that all people are equal regardless of nationality and religion, etc. Trump's exec order discriminates on the basis of NATIONALITY and those people are all of one particular RELIGION.

The Constitution does not apply to all non-citizens. The President's Oath of Office swears him to protecting the US from enemies foreign and domestic, which is what Trump is attempting to do.

I'm sure it is confusing for someone who is not a citizen of the US to understand that, in recent decades, the enforcement and interpretation of our Founding document has been warped by self-interested politics.

Trump is trying to return the country to its intended focus.

[The Seeker]

Pimander,

Your following quote tells me you know nothing about what it is to be an American.

The document is sound. It is how it is being applied and interpreted that is the problem.

Indeed. It is the ultra liberal idiot left that is the problem; as far as the popular vote, I am awaiting details of the investigations ongoing in certain ultra liberal states that possibly allowed millions of illegals to vote simply because they had a driver's license issued by that same state, and no proof of being a legal citizen or having the right to vote.

Seeker