My Mother is doing her usual yearly rant about me getting the flu shot.

[Amaterasu]

Given the ghastly stuff in vaccines, and the fact that Our bodies have ZERO defenses against the stuff when administered in an injection, I will take no vaccines.  Period.  Formaldehyde, live viruses, mercury, aborted foetal cells, and on and on.  Vitamin C, and such for Me!

[Shasta56]

If you're taking vitamin C supplements, and other supplements, you do know that they're manufactured by the same companies that manufacture vaccines, right?  And thimerosal hasn't been used as a vaccine preservative for some years. 

Shasta

[micjer]

I was questioning that they have quit using thimerosal. You are correct in that they HAVE taken most of it out. 

I am going to have to add that to my Mandela effect items because I was sure they were still using it.

That is a positive change.

The idea of vaccines is a positive. I was watching a show and it was talking about the native Indians on a British Columbia island that were 95 percent wiped out when the white man came to their island as a result of small pox. That disease is pretty well a non issue now because of vaccines.

[Titan]

Take this for the anecdotal testimony that it is, but every time this year my roommate got sick and I felt it starting in me I took 50,000 i.u. of Vitamin D3 and it never blew up into full flu.  I've done this about five times this year.  It's the first year in all the years I can remember that I didn't so much as get a cold.

The 50k i.u. vit D came from a doc in the form of ergocalcifer.  When I ran out of that I just took a handful of 3k i.u. capsules.

I am not recommending anyone do this.

I read a research report a few years ago that said vit D3 had proven as if not more effective than vaccine shots at preventing flu.  It's either a phenomenal coincidence or it has really been effective.

[Titan]

If you're taking vitamin C supplements, and other supplements, you do know that they're manufactured by the same companies that manufacture vaccines, right?  And thimerosal hasn't been used as a vaccine preservative for some years. 

Shasta

I don't think Jarrow, Solgar or Country Life are in the vaccine business.

[Shasta56]

I don't think Jarrow, Solgar or Country Life are in the vaccine business.

Three companies out of how many?  Most supplements have some sort of paper trail,  money trail, or research trail associated with big pharma.

Shasta

[Titan]

Three companies out of how many?  Most supplements have some sort of paper trail,  money trail, or research trail associated with big pharma.

Shasta

Even if it were only three companies your original statement that a person taking supplements is de facto taking products from big pharma is still faulty.
There are quality supplement products available by companies not related to big pharma.

[The Seeker]

Even if it were only three companies your original statement that a person taking supplements is de facto taking products from big pharma is still faulty.
There are quality supplement products available by companies not related to big pharma.

I disagree; you, Titan, named three manufacturers; Shasta stated what is closer to reality than your rebuttal statement; the greater majority of readily available vitamins and supplements are indeed manufactured by large pharmaceutical/chemical companies...

There are many on the market that are natural and /or marketed by small, single source producers, but the reputation and hype behind the large name brands is what Joe Sixpack is familiar with...

Seeker

[Titan]

The original post did not say some or even most but merely that if you buy supplements then they are from the same company that makes vaccines.

Since nobody knows what supplement brands another person is taking unless they say so it is impossible
to declare such a definitive statement.

Now both of you are arguing for "most" and it was wandered a bit from "the same companies that make the vaccines" to pharmaceutical/chemical companies.

Not every pharmaceutical or company is involved in vaccine production.

Remember, the original post simply stated that if I take supplements I am supporting and imbibing products made from the exact same companies that make the vaccines.  I disagree as zero evidence
has been provided linking the supplements I take to any company that produces vaccines.

[The Seeker]

The original post did not say some or even most but merely that if you buy supplements then they are from the same company that makes vaccines.

Since nobody knows what supplement brands another person is taking unless they say so it is impossible
to declare such a definitive statement.

Now both of you are arguing for "most" and it was wandered a bit from "the same companies that make the vaccines" to pharmaceutical/chemical companies.

Not every pharmaceutical or company is involved in vaccine production.

Remember, the original post simply stated that if I take supplements I am supporting and imbibing products made from the exact same companies that make the vaccines.  I disagree as zero evidence
has been provided linking the supplements I take to any company that produces vaccines.

Now you are nit picking over a general statement that covers commercially availablle supplements in general; no where has it been stated that all vitamins and supplements are produced by big pharma, just that the majority are...

the subject of this thread is about whether or not to take a flu shot.

you want to quibble about vitamins, start a thread on it.

Seeker

[Amaterasu]

If you're taking vitamin C supplements, and other supplements, you do know that they're manufactured by the same companies that manufacture vaccines, right?  And thimerosal hasn't been used as a vaccine preservative for some years. 

Shasta

Puritan's Pride makes vaccines???

[Titan]

Now you are nit picking over a general statement that covers commercially availablle supplements in general; no where has it been stated that all vitamins and supplements are produced by big pharma, just that the majority are...

the subject of this thread is about whether or not to take a flu shot.

you want to quibble about vitamins, start a thread on it.

Seeker

Look at the original post I responded to.  There is nothing general about it.  It doesn't even say "some" or "most".  It says that I'm taking supplements made by vaccine producers.  Period.  That is not true.  If the original statement said something to the effect that one should be aware that some producers of vitamins also make the vaccines that would be different.  You are attributing generality where there originally wasn't generalization.  I'm not interested in having a thread about vitamins.  I was interested in responding to a post someone else made in this thread that is not factual.

[The Seeker]

Look at the original post I responded to.  There is nothing general about it.  It doesn't even say "some" or "most".  It says that I'm taking supplements made by vaccine producers.  Period.  That is not true.  If the original statement said something to the effect that one should be aware that some producers of vitamins also make the vaccines that would be different.  You are attributing generality where there originally wasn't generalization.  I'm not interested in having a thread about vitamins.  I was interested in responding to a post someone else made in this thread that is not factual.

The original post you responded to was  in response to a post by Amaterasu, not you; post #16;  your response was

Quote from: Titan on Today at 06:54:21 PM

    I don't think Jarrow, Solgar or Country Life are in the vaccine business.

the reply

Three companies out of how many?  Most supplements have some sort of paper trail,  money trail, or research trail associated with big pharma.

I fail to see where Shasta's original comment to Amy in any way stated or suggested anything about your vitamin companies

her reply to you did not state or imply anything about your three named companies either; It says most supplements are associated in some manner.



Seeker

[Shasta56]

Titan, I'm a nurse, and a former pharmacy technician.  I've also been a "victim" of big pharma.  They have interests in many areas, and too many times, their interests are not in the best interests of patients.  A lot of R&D went into developing every medication and supplement being marketed.  Small companies don't have the budget for that.  I'll bow out of the discussion now.

Shasta

[biggles]

I agree with you Shasta, I'm sorry I bloody started the thing.  Since I am the OP, maybe I have some say in where this thread goes...................

Chuck it admins please.