Al Bielek talks about Phil Schneider

[A51Watcher]

Here Al Bielek admits he was the one who got Phil involved with the lecture circuit.

It figures.    Birds of a feather flock together.



Al Bielek talks about Phil Schneider




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ok so we have Al Bielek admitting he was the one who talked Phil into going on the lecture circuit and used his connections in that field to get Phil a spot.

The question has arisen was Phil hero or Hoaxter?

In 1987 Phil knew very little about UFO's and the coverup. What little he knew were from the Richard Shaver Mystery stories via his friend Ron Rummel.

At this time Ron began receiving information via pre internet BBS systems. This included - The Dulce Papers, The Bill Cooper Hypothesis and the Roswell Investigation was making great strides at this point.

Phil was then exposed to this Bill Cooper videotape -




... and it blew his socks off! All he could say was "I guess it's time to  rally round the flag boys!!"

After he got a continuous form dot matrix printout of the Dulce Papers from Ron, he took it to the next UFO group meeting and at break time was telling anyone who would listen that he was involved in Dulce and pulled out the dot matrix printout to parade as proof of his story.

You may have noticed Phil copied Bill Coopers mannerisms and delivery style for his lectures.


     

I asked Ron why did that and and Ron said he had been a habitual liar his whole life.

He also said Phil had lost those fingers playing with explosives in the back yard, not from an alien firefight.

So yeah I saw Phil perpetrate more than one hoax and know where the pieces of his story came from.

Notice Phil says he is holding a piece of 'Corbomite' in the above video?

Google that alleged element and see where he got it from.

I exposed Ron and Phil to a videotape of the new broadcast of George Knapp's Bob Lazar interview as you can see from the above tape they drove down there within 2 weeks to check out the base.

Rather odd that Phil would never mention that in his lectures.

[micjer]

Ok....help me out.  What is the feelings toward Phil?

Was there truth in his message, or was he spinning a yarn, and making money from the lecture tour?

I have listened to his talk, and I don't have a problem with the idea that there are underground bases, and the idea of greys living there, would not surprise me.

[biggles]

I saw his circuit talk and I also saw his hand, lost fingers.

I believed him. xo

And he was gotten rid of, that's a sure sign.

[A51Watcher]

I have modified the OP to try and answer some of your questions.

Hope this helps.

[The Seeker]

A51, I gather that most of our current members aren't familiar with Ron Rummel (RIP)

would you care to give them a little background and info? I know he was your bud, and don't want to dredge up old pain or memories...

your call  This post can be deleted if necessary

Seeker

[A51Watcher]

Not a problem.

Ron was a researcher like myself.

It is alleged that he committed suicide by placing a pistol in his mouth.

It is further alleged there was no blowback on the barrel.

Ron and I investigated many cases together.

[space otter]

A51 
to a lot of folk this is far enough back they don't know about it
to that purpose i would like to add this.. if it's ok with you
if not please remove this
with the caveat that all writers have opinions


http://www.rense.com/general62/lest.htm

Other Mysterious Deaths...
Lest We Forget
By Prof. G. Cope Schellhorn
First Published 1997 By UFO Universe Magazine
2-6-5

Death by gunshot to the head. Death by probable poisoning. Death by probable strangulation. Deaths possibly by implantation of deadly viruses. No one lives former. Yet the recent suspicious deaths of UFO investigators Phil Schneider, Ron Johnson, Con Routine, Ann Livingston and Karln Turner, as well as the deaths of a host of researchers in the past, only seem to add emphasis to a reality with which many of the more aware UFOIogists are now quite familiar: not only is UFO research potentially dangerous, but the life span of the average serious investigator falls far short of the national average.

Mysterious and suspicious deaths among UFO investigators arc nothing new. In 1971, the well-known author and researcher Otto Binder wrote an article for Saga magazine's Special UFO Report titled "Liquidation of the UFO Investigators:' Binder had researched the deaths of "no less than 137 flying saucer researchers, writers, scientists, and witnesses' who had died in the previous 10 years, "many under the most mysterious circumstances."

The selected cases Binder offered were loaded with a plethora of alleged heart attacks, suspicious cancers and what appears to be outright examples of murder. We will have occasion to refer to many of these cases, but first let us take a look at more recent evidence of highly suspect deaths among present day researchers.

Phil Schneider

No one has shook up more those who have been following UFO fact and rumor the past low years than Phil Schneider. Schneider died Januarv 17, 1996, reportedly strangled by a catheter found wrapped around his neck. If the circumstances of his death seem highly controversial, thev are matched by the controversy over his public statements uttered recently before his death.

Phil Schneider was a self-taught geologist and explosive expert. Of the 129 deep underground facilities Schneider believed the U.S. government had constructed since World War II, he claimed to have worked on 13. Two of these bases were major, including the much rumored bioengineering facility at Dulce, N.M. At Dulce. Schneider maintained, "grey" - humanoid extraterrestrials worked side by side with American technicians. In 1979, a misunderstanding arose. In the ensuing shootout, 66 Secret Service, FBI and Black Berets were killed along with an unspecified nurnber of "greys. It was here he received a beam-weapon blast to the chest which caused his later cancer.

(Note from Metatech.org editor Stephanie Relfe: I have seen the scar from this weapon on one of Phil's videos. Contact Al Bielek, PO Box 50045 Fort Myers FL 33994 if you wish to purchase Phil Schneider videos).

If Schneider is telling the truth, he obviously broke the code of imposed silence to which all major black-budget personnel are subjected. The penalty for that misstep is presumably termination. Schneider in fact maintained that numerous previous attempts had been made on his life, including the removal of lug nuts from one of the front wheels of his automobile. He had stated publicly he was a marked man and did not expect to live long.

Some of Schneider's more major accusations are worthy of attention:

(1) The American government concluded a treaty with "grey" aliens in 1954. This mutual cooperation pack is called the Grenada Treaty.

(2) The space shuttle has been shuttling in special metals. A vacuum atmosphere is needed for the rending of these special alloys, thus the push for a large space station.

(3) Much of our stealth aircraft technology was developed by back-engineering crashed ET craft.

(4) AIDS was a population control virus invented by the National Ordinance Laboratory, Chicago, Illionois.

(5) Unbeknownst to just about everyone, our government has an earthquake device: The Kobe quake had no pulse wave; the 1989 San Francisco quake had no pulse wave.

(6) The World Trade Center bomb blast and the Oklahoma City blast were achieved using small nuclear devices. The melting and pitting of the concrete and the extrusion of metal supporting rods indicated this. (Remember, Schneider's forte, he claimed, was explosives.)

Finally, Phil Schneider lamented that the democracy he loved no longer existed. We had become instead a technocracy ruled by a shadow government intent on imposing their own view of things on all of us, whether we like it or not. He believed I l of his best friends had been murdered in the last 22 years, eight of whom had been officially disposed of as suicides.

Whatever we think of Phil Schneider's claims, there is no denying that he was of peculiar interest to the FBI and CIA. According to his widow, intelligence agents thoroughly searched the premises shortly after his death and made off with at least a third of the family photographs.

Ron Rummel

Another recent disturbing case is the death of Ron Rummel, ex-air force intelligence agent and publisher of the Alien Digest, on August 6, 1993. Rummel allegedly shot himself in the mouth with a pistol. Friends say, however, that no blood was found on the pistol barrel and the handle of the weapon was free of fingerprints. Also, according to information now circulating, the suicide note left by the deceased was written by a left-handed person. Rummel was right-handed. Perspiration on the body smelled like sodium pentothal, or so it is alleged.

The Alien Digest ran to seven limited issues, all now almost impossible to acquire. One thing is certain. Ron Rummel's magazine was touching on sensitive issues such as the predator/prey aspect of the alien/human relationship and the use of humans as food and recyclable body parts. Did Rummel cross a forbidden line? It would seem so. But which line, and where? Interestingly enough, one of Rummel's friends was Phil Schneider, and the two had been collaborating.


and it continues with others

[biggles]

Where is their conscience, oh that's right, they don't have one.

[A51Watcher]

I guess it's time for the Ron & Phil Mission Impossible story I promised Irene I would post.

When I met Ron and Phil they were a bit star struck by all the contacts I had in the UFO field with various luminaries plus the fact I had one of the first computers available which gave me access to BBS UFO material.

I told them these were ordinary people who had addresses and phone numbers just like everyone else.

Back in the pre internet days it was tough but not impossible to get someone's contact info, and that usually someone who had written a piece on the person you were looking for would pass along contact info.

So, with a bit of patience waiting for snail mail you would probably get a reply.

After that, Ron started calling everybody in the book he could think of including Paul Bennowitz and Bill Cooper.

Cooper invited them down to visit him at his home.

They arrive next night at their motel and give Bill a call and chat for a bit. Next morning they head over to his place and knock at the door. Bill opens up the door and is clearly upset and angry. He asks them "so what the hell are YOU doing here?"

Ron explains who they are and Bill says "Yeah I know who you are and you got a lotta nerve showing up here!"

Ron asks what do you mean and Bill says "Oh yeah like you don't know!" and turns around to the answering machine behind him and hits play...

At this point Ron turns to me serious as a heart attack and says "Dude I swear it was just like an episode of mission impossible. There, on the answering machine was my voice cussing him out and calling him a crazy nut and that we were gonna come over and kill him and all sorts of crazy stuff!!"

He said at that point they had no choice but to leave, apology not accepted.


So that's Ron's story, I will just say in the time I knew him he was always truthful about everything.

 

[A51Watcher]

Here is a story about Ron and I going over to an abductee's house for an interview -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9051.msg121543#msg121543

[The Seeker]

Here is a story about Ron and I going over to an abductee's house for an interview -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9051.msg121543#msg121543

I remember a conversation you and I had on Skype about that story and the "Proximity Effect" some time ago 

Somehow I missed the OP about it; thanks again for sharing it 
Is there a compilation of the cases you researched available anywhere?
Just curious



Seeker

[zorgon]

Notice Phil says he is holding a piece of 'Corbomite' in the above video?

What always got me about the Corbomite is that no one questioned it nor wanted to hold it and check it out... considering where Phil said it was on the elemental table it would have been extremely heavy and highly radioactive

This is why Believers are such easy targets for liars and scammers

[space otter]

i just wanted to say to any one who hasn't come across these names  or stories and wants a bit more info -  to use the search on the forum

but to go back to the list of threads so that you get it to search everything

[A51Watcher]

I remember a conversation you and I had on Skype about that story and the "Proximity Effect" some time ago 

Somehow I missed the OP about it; thanks again for sharing it 
Is there a compilation of the cases you researched available anywhere?
Just curious



Seeker

Nope no compilation anywhere.

Ron's call to the Bennowitz house was pretty interesting though.

His daughter answered the phone and explained he had gone missing for several weeks and they frantically searched for him

and eventually found him him in Bethesda (yes the same one Forrestal was in).

"His mind was was so badly scrambled he couldn't even sign his own name at that point." 

The family was furious and has not been letting anyone speak to him at this point.



One interesting case I investigated was the Oregon Desert Crop Circle -






 

[A51Watcher]

So one day radio and tv and news reports were flooded with the story of this crop circle in the southern desert here.

A small interesting detail that caught my eye in the newspaper noted that the Air Force had been sitting on this information for 2 months before that day.

So my friend the 'UFO nut' guy I mentioned in a previous thread got in touch and decided we better go have a look for ourselves.

We get down there after a 5 hour ride through small back roads and per usual the map and directions given in the newspaper were about 70 miles off and we had to stop and ask locals for directions into the Alvord desert.



We ended up having to 4 wheelie it into there and got a flat on the rough terrain. After continuing on we knew we had to be close but that desert is so huge we were still having problems locating it.




Then a small single engine plane arrived circling in the air about a mile away and then began slowly descending for a landing. We were sure that had to be it and headed his way.

Sure enough we arrived at the correct spot on the huge expanse of desert at this huge lakebed and greeted the pilot who turned out to be just a private pilot who heard the news and was curious. He was nice enough to take my friend on a ride high in the air to film the huge design which was fairly impossible to make out what it was from the ground.




So we all scratched our heads as their were no visible signs or markings as to how this was done.

As you saw in the video the media made a big deal about how their were no tire tracks of footprints around anywhere.

Well, as you saw in the above video neither did the reporter on the ground.

Neither did we or our jeep. That stuff is some tough baked in very hard mud.

Look at the ground in the above video.


We came away with no idea one way or another how it was done and saw no indication by whom. 

We presented our videotape to the local UFO group and said as much.

About 6 months later the artist you saw in the above video who claimed to have done it was shown on the local cable access tv channel in an interview explaining how he and a team had used telephone pole size logs vertically and pulled them around with ropes starting from the center and working outward.

Kind of like a giant protractor.

Sounded logical to me.




Anyway the Steens Mountains area which the Alvord Desert is part of is really quite gorgeous and some great pictures of it are here -

http://www.yesmomimalive.com/the-alvord-desert