Alien Abduction Motivations

[astr0144]

Thanks for explaining more detail Seeker..

It adds more to the mystery behind it...and strengthens your case...

All I can say at the moment is to wonder how you must have felt when you came back and found out what had happened and how your life since has been...and your investiagtions since..

Could not think of a more reason to question Life !

What age did this occur ? or how long ago ?

if and when I ever get more  time and have not been too much distracted... I will add more of this to future research list...

@astro; not that it makes any difference, for as always it feels as if I am just wasting my time, if you are hooked to a heart monitor and an electroencephalograph, both showing flat lines, you are dead; they hit me with a defibrillator 8 times, injected adrenaline directly into my heart, before calling the time of death...

the certificate and tag were filled out, the nurses were cleaning up the mess and prepping my body when my heart started beating again

run a search on Dr Raymond A Moody, Dannion Brinkley, the book Life after Life, watch the movie Saved by the light; there are tens of thousands of people that have died and returned to tell their stories

[The Seeker]

Could not think of a more reason to question Life !

What age did this occur ? or how long ago ?

I don't have to question life, just who or what is screwing with it 

May 28th, 1980; I was 22 years old...

[astr0144]

So Young to occur !...

I am not actually sure what had happened to you or if maybe you could have had any health problems prior ? or if it was from some accident !

or if it was just an unexpected,  unaccountable,  unexplained situation ..

or what do you think was screwing with you ? to cause you to die ? that you may had considered before suggesting the Greys or ETs involvement .

I don't have to question life, just who or what is screwing with it 

May 28th, 1980; I was 22 years old...

[The Seeker]

So Young to occur !...

I am not actually sure what had happened to you or if maybe you could have had any health problems prior ? or if it was from some accident !

or if it was just an unexpected,  unaccountable,  unexplained situation ..

or what do you think was screwing with you ? to cause you to die ? that you may had considered before suggesting the Greys or ETs involvement .

Here is a quote from Zorgon:

Take near death experiences for example. Only those that have actually had one can know with certainty what happened. All the rest can only guess.  But human nature tends to fear what they cannot understand so it is easier to call someone crazy than to have your own sanity shattered by alternative realities

I had an accident, busted up my left arm and back; had surgery to repair the nerves in my arm, then had a severe reaction during a mylegram(injected iodine in my spinal cord) went into anaphylactic  shock, BP hit 280/270, and died.

[Eighthman]

I went to a new age resort and a friend of mine arranged me to have a private talk with a guy who suffered massive organ failure and had an NDE.  The guy seemed to like my description of NDE's as 'more real than real' (I've heard).

He said he feels he made some sort of agreement (in death) whose details he can't remember.  He does remember a state in which all events seemed to be happening at the same time.

They ended up putting him on a feminist decision making group (for gender balance )- because he doesn't think "any of this is real".  Funny....

[Irene]

The short answer to this question is they have better technology, therefore, they have control over us.

These creatures are extremely curious and equally sadistic. Attributing any kind of benevolence to them is a mistake. They are emotionless.

As a fourth generation, ongoing CE5 contactee, I urge people to stop spreading the old, rancid BS about greys and Nordics and all that other crap.

They're insidious. The real deal never shows its face. They are like the Predator or the entity in the movie "Signs". In rare instances, they will take over the body of a nearby human, and sometimes an animal. They override the onboard "control" and suddenly you are staring at something so horrifying you cannot make a sound and your bowels turn to liquid. Their teeth turn black and they're very flip.

They talk to you directly and the cognitive dissonance is acute. It's usually someone you know and you watch as this "thing" communicates its presence, overlaying that person you know. And what they say to you is always sinister, threatening. They demand silence.

Watch the movie "Fallen" with Denzel Washington. You'll get some sense of the sensation.

I know, you think I'm joking, right?

Wrong.

These things have been doing evil to me since I was a baby. My sister, my mother, my father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather. On and on.

My GG was out on a local lake at 0300 one morning. This was during WWII. He saw something, put down his rod, and rowed in.

My grandmother heard him come into the cottage and sit down at the kitchen table. He told her he saw something. She thought it might be some experimental military craft.

He looked up at her and said it was "not of this earth".

Before this contact, my GG was a happy man and liked to tell jokes and such.

My grandmother said he was never the same man after that. She said he never smiled or laughed again.

This is serious sh*t. I've been violently assaulted by these things many times over the years. It usually takes me one to two days to recover.

They are real and they are bad news.

[astr0144]

I see ... Seemed a terrible accident and some serious treatment.

I dont know much about Chemicals or drugs in much valid detail..or how Iodine may effect certain people...or how it may effect you in ref to  the spinal Cord being injected..

Or if you may have also been on some drugs as other pain killers...

If you had been given certain drugs or if Iodine has certain effects....

it maybe suggested by some that it may account for how you perceived things during those 33 mins... and you would not know how you may have been if you had also died without anything given to you...too compare.

so one will ask as to how it may or could have effected you..

Its a tricky one as I think I have seen programs that may had related to such a topic ...

but in ref to the Anaphylactic shock and severe high BP..
compared to normal BP which I believe is 120/80.. then as "Z" says no one could really understand unless they experienced it themseleves...

Maybe the massive increase in BP did things in your brain... and somehow over time it corrected as you calmed during what appeared as death...

Maybe certain sysmptoms made it appear you dead as the bodies functions were not operating.. heart , blood flow to brain as normal etc...

But I would have NO idea why you would have died for 33 mins and comeback  to life ! and appear back mentally and physicaly I assume as whats classed as normal ! without any damage ... if I assume right !


seeker

I had an accident, busted up my left arm and back; had surgery to repair the nerves in my arm, then had a severe reaction during a mylegram(injected iodine in my spinal cord) went into anaphylactic  shock, BP hit 280/270, and died.

[astr0144]

That seems sort of weird, but I can sort of envision it..where things (or series of events etc )seem to be happening at the same time.

I assume when you say THEY put him on  Feminist  or gender related group... was maybe it was a decision they made but maybe not something he would had considered normally..

that seems a bit weird as well..and for what reason I wonder uness he had some sort of background to it..and he does not think its real ... Strange !

I went to a new age resort and a friend of mine arranged me to have a private talk with a guy who suffered massive organ failure and had an NDE.  The guy seemed to like my description of NDE's as 'more real than real' (I've heard).

He said he feels he made some sort of agreement (in death) whose details he can't remember.  He does remember a state in which all events seemed to be happening at the same time.

They ended up putting him on a feminist decision making group (for gender balance )- because he doesn't think "any of this is real".  Funny....

[astr0144]

I must have missed your earlier posts Irene..maybe of your main story that led you on this path in ref to your E.T type experiences.. if you had made ref to some of the things that you have said..

You make it certainly seem connected to the thread content in ref to what ever entities that they maybe.. and seem to have been involved in several cases with them over a long time...and also relate these to your Grandparents days..

But if you now only take 2 to 3 days to get over some situations with them, you seem almost  immune to them IMO. as many may take a lifetime to get past just one such situation...

So I wonder how much have your story that you have maybe told..and if you have ever told it to many of the main Guru types that we see discuss such things on many of the UFO/ET TV programs etc.

Its one id like to see you discuss with one of those interviewers..as your case may seem much more extreme than many that I have seen..

But you appear ... normally not to show or make that much ref to it,  that Ive seen in several of the posts that Ive read of yours so far.. but I have not read all your past topics..especially in the last 2 months...when I was not posting..

The short answer to this question is they have better technology, therefore, they have control over us.

These creatures are extremely curious and equally sadistic. Attributing any kind of benevolence to them is a mistake. They are emotionless.

As a fourth generation, ongoing CE5 contactee, I urge people to stop spreading the old, rancid BS about greys and Nordics and all that other crap.

They're insidious. The real deal never shows its face. They are like the Predator or the entity in the movie "Signs". In rare instances, they will take over the body of a nearby human, and sometimes an animal. They override the onboard "control" and suddenly you are staring at something so horrifying you cannot make a sound and your bowels turn to liquid. Their teeth turn black and they're very flip.

[Irene]

Astro,

It takes one to two days for the physical pain to subside. The psychological toll over my lifetime is ongoing. These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

Do read my other posts since I joined. I've explained quite a bit in them. My thread Hunt for the Skinwalker is a good place to start.

[astr0144]

Agh ! I see that I had come across one of your related threads and had read and commented on your 1st main post to it..so much stuff posted its hard to recall all that Ive read..or it needs sometimes to be seen a few times or to have another post from you like this last few to make me relate to it.

I will reread to become familiar again.

Thanks for your link..

Astro,

It takes one to two days for the physical pain to subside. The psychological toll over my lifetime is ongoing. These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

Do read my other posts since I joined. I've explained quite a bit in them. My thread Hunt for the Skinwalker is a good place to start.

[astr0144]

Yes I now recall your post and the initial comments that I made after rereading your 1st main post and my reply and some other comments made by others.

I probably just did not realise how serious you took it at that time if my judgement is right in ref to what you had said in your post on this thread..

Knowing George Knapp was involved in that book does seem to help back you up..and make one not easily reject your claims..

I will say however somethings that I read also could be seen as being Mind Control...or even Curse like..

but whether one would think its man made or E.T related in ref to certain things... its very hard to say.

Ive read quite a bit from certain persons whom Ive followed on certain websites.. that seem similar... and they make various suggetions of what seem similar descriptions on certain parts of the topic.

Could it be the likes of Egytian like Curses and Indian or North American indian such things could be related or are they all maybe created by E.Ts..

or has the Likes of Movies and Too Much TV made many believe such things are happening to them.

IF you say that you have witnessed some sort of entitity visually clearly... then that may be a different case..

but its hard if maybe you get the impression that some sort of entity is in your presence, yet you cannot actualy see it..

or we believe animals are seeing it and we cannot..

Its a real tough one for me..

and its also hard to know if the likes of something like the CIA could be creating such thoughts into people..

If you really know you have seen the entity... was it one like a Grey or some other species ?

Astro,

It takes one to two days for the physical pain to subside. The psychological toll over my lifetime is ongoing. These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

Do read my other posts since I joined. I've explained quite a bit in them. My thread Hunt for the Skinwalker is a good place to start.

In this ref you stop spreading the BS about Greys / Nordics..and make a ref to the real deal not showing itself..

Im not sure if Ive seen Signs ! maybe so.. or similar in "Dark Skies" where strange things occur but we dont seem to see anything, other than say moving Non entity like objects such as furniture..

Some people are more sensitive to feeling something or hearing it... others are more visual and have to see it to believ it....

One may wonder if some of us maybe are just turned into what ever it may be in differing ways... maybe.

or some of us may be more effected by mind control than others..

like they say some mediums relate in somethings most do not..

As a fourth generation, ongoing CE5 contactee, I urge people to stop spreading the old, rancid BS about greys and Nordics and all that other crap.

They're insidious. The real deal never shows its face. They are like the Predator or the entity in the movie "Signs". In rare instances, they will take over the body of a nearby human, and sometimes an animal. They override the onboard "control" and suddenly you are staring at something so horrifying you cannot make a sound and your bowels turn to liquid. Their teeth turn black and they're very flip.

[Irene]

Yes I now recall your post and the initial comments that I made after rereading your 1st main post and my reply and some other comments made by others.

I probably just did not realise how serious you took it at that time if my judgement is right in ref to what you had said in your post on this thread..

Knowing George Knapp was involved in that book does seem to help back you up..and make one not easily reject your claims..

I will say however somethings that I read also could be seen as being Mind Control...or even Curse like..

but whether one would think its man made or E.T related in ref to certain things... its very hard to say.

Ive read quite a bit from certain persons whom Ive followed on certain websites.. that seem similar... and they make various suggetions of what seem similar descriptions on certain parts of the topic.

Could it be the likes of Egytian like Curses and Indian or North American indian such things could be related or are they all maybe created by E.Ts..

or has the Likes of Movies and Too Much TV made many believe such things are happening to them.

IF you say that you have witnessed some sort of entitity visually clearly... then that may be a different case..

but its hard if maybe you get the impression that some sort of entity is in your presence, yet you cannot actualy see it..

or we believe animals are seeing it and we cannot..

Its a real tough one for me..

and its also hard to know if the likes of something like the CIA could be creating such thoughts into people..

If you really know you have seen the entity... was it one like a Grey or some other species ?

In this ref you stop spreading the BS about Greys / Nordics..and make a ref to the real deal not showing itself..

Im not sure if Ive seen Signs ! maybe so.. or similar in "Dark Skies" where strange things occur but we dont seem to see anything, other than say moving Non entity like objects such as furniture..

Some people are more sensitive to feeling something or hearing it... others are more visual and have to see it to believ it....

One may wonder if some of us maybe are just turned into what ever it may be in differing ways... maybe.

or some of us may be more effected by mind control than others..

like they say some mediums relate in somethings most do not..

I take what happens to me very seriously. I'm violently assaulted.

I cannot compare the entities I've been exposed to to any so-called greys, etc.

As I posted earlier, the real ET/EDs do not show themselves in their true form. Ever. They may not have a form that is corporeal. That is my belief.

I think there is a great deal of truth in the myths and literature of people like the Native Americans, etc. There is, I think, heavily obscured truth in religious texts like the Bible. I believe that is because, again, in my opinion, those who could read and write were/are being greedy with their knowledge.

I hate people like that. Always with the f'ing secrets. It's those secrets that are crippling our ability to escape this GD prison.

[petrus4]

pets r us
glad to hear it..i was very worried about you and the 'magic' investigations you were involving yourself with before

I don't have anything at all to do with occultism any more.  About the closest I get to it is the Law of Attraction, although truthfully I even worry about that, because I don't completely know which spirits are involved, and I don't necessarily believe that it is a purely mechanistic process.

[petrus4]

These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

This is exactly the point.  Their entire purpose is primarily to demoralise individuals who are unusually strongly polarised towards Service to Others, to use Law of One terminology.  The stuff about their own impending extinction may or may not be true, but to a degree I think it's cover, intended to cause us to feel empathy towards them.

I haven't had the possession type experiences with them that Irene has as such; although I have at times had some extreme paranoia and horrible thought patterns while extremely stoned.  It can feel very oppressive and difficult to shake off, at times; and it is part of the reason why I'm probably not going to be smoking quite as much in the future.  I've also learned to try not to ever do anything I feel guilty for, and to never accuse anyone specific of anything where possible.  Guilt and accusation are the two main ways they get in; if you can avoid those, it will go a long way towards keeping you safe from them.

In terms of the consensus channelling cosmology, the Greys primarily exist at fifth density, which is the level that Bashar has claimed to inhabit.  5D is the last level in which there is substantial interaction with physical or corporeal reality, and it is also the last level at which the Service to Self polarity (which the Greys are aligned with, colloquially known as evil or the Dark Side of the Force) can meaningfully exist.

The Service to Self polarity is inherently non-regenerative; and in that sense, it is fundamentally antithetical to the nature of the quantum field itself, which does continually regenerate.  This likely also explains why the Greys are now at a genetic dead end, as well.  Although this is no longer primarily the case, human reproduction was originally intended to take place within a context of intense love.

Although I do have more protection now, at the risk of sounding cowardly, the main way I deal with the Greys, is that I have learned to avoid any activities which they consider threatening.  I've also cultivated relationships, at least to a degree, with a couple of Godforms who are exceptionally good at banishing and protection; truthfully my entire spiritual model, such as it is, is centered around that.

I think the other reason why they don't bother me now, is because they know that at this point, my own fear of both my age and mainstream society is sufficiently great that that does their job for them.  Although in some respects I am demoralised now, that ultimately had nothing to do with the Greys; as a matter of fact, my abductions ultimately ended up being very fortifying.  I am a lot better than most people, at dealing with things that would cause the average person to become catatonic, because I've been dealing with high levels of generalised fear for as long as I've been alive.

My main sources of fear and depression now are the Millennials, transhumanism and the direction in which technology is going, and the inhumanity of Western governments and multinational corporations.

I am not going to accomplish what I came here for; which was to be part of establishing an intensely positive and benevolently oriented society, which also made use of a very high level of technological advancement.  My source of comfort there, however, is the knowledge that the reason for my failure is not so much because of what I have not done, but because I have also seen that the Millennials do not want that.

Although exceptions do exist, for the most part, the Millennials do not want freedom.  They don't want the truth.  They want to be enslaved.  They want Socialism.  They want instant gratification, and the abdication of personal responsibility, and a scenario where all of the difficult decisions are made for them by someone else, while they sit playing FarmVille on Facebook.

I will still help the few individual people I can, in whatever small ways that I can, as well as trying to continue to develop my own maturity.  As far as the proverbial spiritual war is concerned though, for the most part now I'm on the bench; and most of my prayer over the last eighteen months has centered around requests for permission to do that.