Bob Lazar was right! Gravity Waves detected for 3rd time!

[ArMaP]

You being connected to ATS... Could I copy Johns posts of ATS and add it to this thread...if I find some that I think were related to of the things that I am trying to research... or are  ATS likely to disaprove if they found out ?

You can copy it, just post a link to the original source, like zorgon does.

[astr0144]

Thanks for confirming...

I was not sure if ATS may have had some more severe copyright rules over sharing  their content on other or certain similar competitor like forums...

You can copy it, just post a link to the original source, like zorgon does.

[ArMaP]

To be more correct, the posts are under an "Attribution - NonCommercial Creative Commons License", and this is what they say:

Users can share, distribute, copy, and transmit the work Users find on TAN websites provided Users provide proper attribution that includes the name of the Website User, the name of the Website, and a link to the content thread.

I forgot the user name.

[astr0144]

Thanks for explanation ArMaP.

Do you mean if giving a link to ATS.. when using some of their material.. to also include the writers user name if posting that persons post on another forum ?

To be more correct, the posts are under an "Attribution - NonCommercial Creative Commons License", and this is what they say:

I forgot the user name.

[astr0144]

Taking further more detailed look at the video and some of the related links to the theories of how gravity waves may have occurred and are now able to be detected... in which they are suggesting for a 3rd time.

I can follow what they are suggesting and makes some sort of sense to me in relation to the theory of that particular suggested example or event...

BUT to me it just seems a further theory of some other major astro events .. in this case with various things like neutron , binary stars, and blackholes that may have collided and pulsers that end up creating severe ripples across the universe..

also that the huge enegy involved was as they were involved in creating some of  heavy elements  that acted like radiative elements that created Gama rays as we know it or may even more heavy elements as what Bob descibed with his Element 115 or even heavier due to the huge energy that took place to bond the atoms together .

that we are now suggesting as being detected as gravity waves and also just comparing them to other waves in the electromagnetic spectrum...such as light and Gama rays or  waves.

and just suggesting that these  gravity waves are operating at the same speed as EMS waves or the speed of Light...

But it does not suggest that the Gravity waves are faster than Light.. which I thought that Bob Lazar was suggesting that that gravity waves were a much faster way to travel thru space much faster than the speed of  light....

ALSO.. if there was a big bang  or if not.... around the Universe... I would imagine that there would numerous activity all over the universe that were creating similar explosions of such severe energy on a more continual basis... and not just now and then as we only have now only detected such a event for the 3rd time...

Other scientists who studied Bobs theories have made ref to Speed of Gravity being much quicker than light....
from 20 x to Billions of time quicker...

"The Speed of Gravity - What the Experiments Say," demonstrating that gravity propagated at least 20 billion times faster than light and may very well propagate instantaneously"The Speed of Gravity - What the Experiments Say," demonstrating that gravity propagated at least 20 billion times faster than light and may very well propagate instantaneously

Robert Lazar claimed that gravity propagates instantaneously.  If one thinks about that, it actually makes perfect sense logically.  Gravity warps or bends space and time.  We measure the speed or velocity of an object by observing the distance that the object travels in a given time interval.  If the very parameters that we use to measure distance and time are significantly affected by strong gravitational fields, then it would be impossible to actually define a finite speed to the propagation of gravity. A recent article, "Rethinking Relativity," had stated that Associate Professor Tom Van Flandern from the University of Maryland issued a document, "The Speed of Gravity - What the Experiments Say," demonstrating that gravity propagated at least 20 billion times faster than light and may very well propagate instantaneously.

2/3s down the page under the Gravity Amplifier section /  image

http://gravitywarpdrive.com/Government_Scientist.htm


Also we know of gravity as being all around us.... it does not just appear on one wave that we have detected in this eg for a 3rd time.... its permanently around us..

unless they were referring to a different meaning to my thoughts of understanding..

they refer to Speed of gravity  being Propogated..


so maybe my understanding of the word Propogate is my problem...

On a quick search this is a description of the meaning of Propogate.  which I think still refers to Speed or Velocity / motion or movement of a substance or electro magnetic effect thru a medium.....be it like air , water or solid..space or a almost a vacuum.. and it refers to FINITE VELOCITY !

"electromagnetic effects can be propagated at a finite velocity only through material substances"

(with reference to motion, light, sound, etc.) transmit or be transmitted in a particular direction or through a medium.

"electromagnetic effects can be propagated at a finite velocity only through material substances" · "a hydraulic fracture is generally expected to propagate in a vertical plane"

So if that is suggesting Speed of Gravity is much quicker than the speed of light or sort of instant as its all around us...

IF So I am not really that I am any wiser... and the articles / videos may not really clarify or seem to oppose that theory..  as they seem to just compare gravity waves as being at the same speed of light or the EMS and NOT being  any quicker or faster than the speed of light...

[ArMaP]

Do you mean if giving a link to ATS.. when using some of their material.. to also include the writers user name if posting that persons post on another forum ?

Yes, like zorgon does on The Living Moon articles, like this one, for example.

[ArMaP]

Also we know of gravity as being all around us.... it does not just appear on one wave that we have detected in this eg for a 3rd time.... its permanently around us..

unless they were referring to a different meaning to my thoughts of understanding..

they refer to Speed of gravity  being Propogated..


so maybe my understanding of the word Propogate is my problem...

I don't think the problem lies in your understanding of the word "propagate", I think the problem is the lack of using the correct names. Call me nitpicker, but what the article in the opening posts talks about is the detection of "gravitational waves", ripples in space-time created by massive objects interacting with each other (I think).

This is not about how gravity works, if it's the result of a wave, a particle or a combination of both.

[astr0144]

I agree that the initial thread articles / video is referring to detecting a wave from some huge astro type objects colliding into each other for eg.

and maybe that is suggesting that we only detect such waves on rare occasions...

But other articles that I referred to seem to make suggestions that Gravity waves are much more frequent or maybe already all around...

Thats part of my inability to understand..

Also other suggestions that Gravity is much quicker or faster than Light ?  yet other suggestions are made to say that speed of gravity travels at the same speed of light within the EMS.

A51 refers to  suggest that a craft does not travel at the speed of gravity...

but that its able to travel vast distances due to the distortion of gravity...

And that I am not sure that I am able to really understand...

I can see suggested images of what gravity distortion maybe...but in terms of it being used in actual vast / faster type space travel.... I dont think its easy to really understand.

I recognise the bending of space time principle... and wormholes for eg.. where somehow a craft can connect to another point in space time from say  its present location ... if say on Earth presently for eg...and do so almost in an instant...at what ever distance that we may consider it to be...by either imagination or visual belief or expectation..

I think the problem is the lack of using the correct names. Call me nitpicker, but what the article in the opening posts talks about is the detection of "gravitational waves", ripples in space-time created by massive objects interacting with each other (I think).

This is not about how gravity works, if it's the result of a wave, a particle or a combination of both.