Bob Lazar was right! Gravity Waves detected for 3rd time!

[A51Watcher]

27 years ago Bob Lazar gave us the answer to the question of the true nature of gravity.

Was it a wave or was it alleged sub atomic particles called 'gravitons'.


Wow! Good guess Bob! 


"Ripples in Space-Time! Gravitational-Wave Observatory Detects 3rd Black Hole Merger

"Jun 1, 2017 - It's not a fluke: For the third time, scientists have detected ripples in space-time caused when two black holes circle each other at mind-bending speeds and collide."

https://www.space.com/37049-gravitational-wave-experiment-detects-third-black-hole-merger.html


"Jun 1, 2017 - After LIGO detects a third black hole collision, gravitational wave astronomy is here to stay.

For the third time, LIGO has detected a collision of two black holes — and cemented the idea that gravity-wave astronomy is here to stay."


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ligo-gravity-waves-20170601-story.html

[A51Watcher]

Great video on how 'gravitational waves' (for nitpickers) or gravity waves for us laymen, are created and detected -

[Irene]

A51,

Giving you gold for that video. Great explanation for a moron like me.

Kind of cool to find out that the waves travel at the same speed as light, and my neodymium magnet collection was born in this kind of crucible.

Watch it in the window in the post. I made the mistake of opening it in the YT App and got the same annoying ad twice, once at the beginning, once in the middle.

[A51Watcher]

Irene,

Thanks, yes this group does a phenomenal job of providing easy to understand demonstrations of what we can observe.

The other video I just posted in the 'Galaxies In Motion!' thread is also produced by them and equally superb!

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11016.msg144372#msg144372


I find both of these fascinating because of my studies in Fluid Dynamics in my younger days.

The way that Galaxies are created, move and expand are very similar to the processes seen in Fluid Dynamics experiments.

Watch it in the window in the post. I made the mistake of opening it in the YT App and got the same annoying ad twice, once at the beginning, once in the middle.

Sure but remember to still use the full screen icon.

[astr0144]

In ref to the Electro Magnetic spectrum....(EMS)

when we look at a chart of it.... we tend to see an order of the waves from Radio Waves to Gamma rays that often indicate the various wave lengths and frequencies and size of the waves,   Energy levels etc

The basic general order shown is often Radio ( Long to short waves ) , microwave, THEN LIGHT WAVES and all the colours of light within the spectrum of light.. and also including infa red and ultra violet...  followed by X Rays and Gamma Rays
where we are also indicating X Ray and Gamma ad RAYS.... and I assume also as  WAVES.....




so I am not really sure what the difference is between waves and rays..

But Generally Light is shown in the middle of the charts.....

But I am not sure if it refers to the actual speed of the waves...

We are taught that Light is the fastest.... but is this also seperate in terms from  the other Electro magnetic waves..
or do other waves in the Electro magnetic spectrum travel as quick or even close to the speed of Light ? such as Gamma rays for eg  which are based on nuclear like energy....

Things like Gamma rays as far as I can recall.. are generally smaller like waves but act a lot more frequent or often within a set length... although   the length scale is seen as much shorter (less than say a millimeter (MM)) compared to that on the other end of the scale of radio waves which which are much longer in length over a MM and more likely of a few metres in length..

You can see images on this chart  that shows how waves sizes relate to sizes of various objects...rather than just a mathematical number than many may find harder to try to relate to..

The waves relate in size from the larger ones that we could see image size  to the very small minute ones that we would not be able to see...such as the small size of molecules to atoms..

such as a building or house or person relates to the size of  say long or short  radio waves...

Micowaves say the size of a butterfly or bee..

A Light wave... Infa red or Visible white light or Ultra violet wave size  relates to the images from the sharp end point of a needle to the size of a molecule...

X rays or Gamma rays relate to the size of an atom or an atoms nuclei (maybe an atoms inner parts like its protons and neutrons, or electons etc )  !




Gamma rays are also a lot more intense in terms of energy being much higher...

beyond Gamma rays I believe thats there is also whats known as Cosmic Rays that I have only seen recently shown on a EMS chart....or they are probably not shown on older EMS charts..

BUT I dont really know what the speeds of them is  or how they compare to  speed of Light waves


BUT NOW we have added Gravity Waves into the Electro magnetic spectrum... that are shown smaller than gamma rays.. and shown on the charts further to the right than gamma rays...

The EMS chart in this image shows both cosmic rays and where "Gravity A" waves are positioned on that chart..
its pointed by an arrow to the far right side end of the Elecro magnetic spectrum chart   shown on the lower right of the diagram...



you may need to click the link to enlarge chart to be able to see it in relevant or required size or detail.

http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/fj-3/f-spacecraft-gravitycontrol-.JPG

SO do all waves within the Electro magnetic spectrum travel at the same or different speeds ?

This suggest website suggest that all Electro Magnetic waves within the EMS or their RADIATION... Travels at the same speed as what we are aware that Light does ! 

But I am not sure how radiation comes into it ? or how it is defined in this situation..

I usually think as radiation as a form of heat  or maybe energy ?   or is it also a wave ?

So its referring to Electo magnetic radiation rather than electro magnetic spectrum...

the two terms have related but also differing meanings.

All types of electromagnetic radiation:

are transverse waves
travel at the same speed in a vacuum - empty space

The speed of electromagnetic radiation in a vacuum is 299,792,458 m/s. This is approximately three hundred million metres per second - nearly nine hundred thousand times faster than sound, which is why you see a flash of lightning before you hear the thunder.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/edexcel_pre_2011/waves/theelectromagneticspectrumrev2.shtml


and does  the Speed of GRAVITY WAVES travel any different to the Speed of  LIGHT Waves  ?

I recently posted a thread  that seemed to suggest Gravity Waves travel much quicker..and how much quicker...
but no one seemed to respond to it..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

[Irene]

All I can say about that is I learned several years ago that we are "looking down the barrel of a gun", is how the scientist put it. I don't remember the name or location, but there is a gamma ray source that is pointed directly at us.

If it blows we are all toast. He said it would turn the planet into Mars.

Found this - https://www.space.com/5081-real-death-star-strike-earth.html

Don't remember if this is the exact article though. I'd quote, etc., but I didn't sleep last night and I'm really wiped.

[astr0144]

As I think that I  understand it Irlene..

Most things to do with Gamma rays or waves.. relates to dangerous radiation at least to us a the human species.

Substances or elements  such as Plutonium and Uranium..

And these relate to Nuclear.... such as nuclear bombs... that yes can be  very destructive...

or if enough of them were activated.. maybe they could blow up the planet ! or make it like Mars ? as some scientists suggest may have happened to Mars past..

BUT it maybe that there are even more powerful elements that could create more energy than  the main known dangerous nuclear related elements that we know about on Earth...

or maybe if Gravity waves are seen as faster than the Speed of light... or could relate to having more energy..maybe due to having a faster speed than gravity..

maybe that relates to Einsteins mathematical or Physics formula :

E = M C2  which is Energy = MASS X Speed of Light   ..... Squared

where E = Energy... M = Mass of an element or object.... and C = speed of Light.. 2 = squared..

(The Squared make that number a LOT higher and increases it value a lot more) like 2 squared =  2 x 2 = 4

or 6 x 6 = 36  .... 12 x 12 = 144  for eg ......this is mathematically...

or if we take the Speed of Light value of 186,000 Miles per second...and square it...

186,000 x 186,000 = we get a HUGE value = 34596000000

so that figure can make the caluclation value  huge if using it in Einsteins  E = M C2 calculation..



so a higher number after being squared increases more... and you then times that (X)  by the mass of an object or element weight for eg....  say for eg the weigt of an atomic element like Plutonium...which is a heavy mass in relation to most other elements that we have on earth..

if you look at the periodic table... it shows all the chemical elements that we have on Earth.. that we know about... as we learn about in Chemistry..

This show each element and each has a number....  I dont know all about how its laid out as it is quite complex...

Most Elements are shown in number order at least where you see the  rows and columns for the one shown at 87 to 118

then we have the 2 bottom rows ... numbers 57 to 103..

some of these are metals and non metals and some are  radioactive type  elements.. the higher numbers beyond 89 to maybe  103  or higher numbers   from 103 to 118

Plutonium and uranium are shown as number 92 and 94  under what known as the Actinide series lower red row..

but Element 115 is shown two rows above from numbers  87 to 118

Thats mainly to do with what sort of elements that they are....



https://starstruckworld.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/periodictablewallpaper.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table


All elements have a different   Atomic weights.... or whats known as a different Atomic Number ..and different energy levels... I think.. maybe to do with how may protons, neutrons or electrons that an element has (I always get mixed up between atomic number and atomic weight of each elements so forgove me if I get some facts wrong....

the heavier the Element the more energy that it has .... as far as I can recall.. or something along that line..

certain Metals or elements are some of the heavier elements  (Either  higher atomic weight or Atomic number ...)

I am not sure how Mercury (HG Number 80)  or  LEAD (PB number 82) compares as thats a heavy metal that we know about...

but the more heavier or dangerous elements range from number 92 to 118 I think..


So some how and I find some of it hard to fully understand.... that the Speed of LIGHT has a HUGE effect on Mass and  Energy..

BUT if say Gravity is faster than Light...and we can make use of this in te right way.... there maybe a new formla  and we may see another way to create and even more powerful energy or make something go faster....than what we presently know...or that may exist now already..

as a higher elements weight or  energy could create a faster speed if that make sense...

More energy created can create more or faster  speed

At least thats what I think it means ! 

It maybe that an even more powerful bomb could be made...that just one may destroy the planet...

At least thats the sort of thing that I am wondering or thinking about !

Also  it may be  possible to be used in a positive way to relate to creating more powerful energy  type sources on Earth... like or similar to nuclear power stations... and to possibly relate to powering space craft to be able to fly much faster than we presently may have..

Which as I understand is what Bob Lazar is suggesting in terms of the Space Model Saucer craft works based on it..

so a Space craft could travel much  faster than the speed of light and we could travel much faster to other planets and galaxies.. than we a presently led to believe... that is if the Speed of Gravity was quicker or offered more energy than the speed of Light... 

At least thats what I think he is sort of referring to  and what I am trying to find out ?


This is one statement that I read in ref  one of the topic that I had posted... but other information on that also referes to speeds of Gravity  of  being much much faster than the speed of light...

If gravity is a propagating force, this 3-body (Sun-Moon-Earth) test implies that gravity propagates at least 20 times faster than light

All I can say about that is I learned several years ago that we are "looking down the barrel of a gun", is how the scientist put it. I don't remember the name or location, but there is a gamma ray source that is pointed directly at us.

If it blows we are all toast. He said it would turn the planet into Mars.

What I am not sure about... is part of the title to this thread...

Gravity Waves detected for 3rd time

If they have deleveloped a detector of these waves... why has it only detected the waves for a 3rd time...

So in that case how common or regular are these waves... be them within the Electro magnetic spectrum or eleswhere ?

There are suggestions that gravity waves are all around us !  so why so hard or appeared rare  to detect ?

[A51Watcher]

Astro -


"The Gravity A and B waves. The frequency of those waves, 7.46 Hz, SMU's (singular mass units) Chargons and many other things."

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.msg122955#msg122955



Hope that helps.

[A51Watcher]

If they have deleveloped a detector of these waves... why has it only detected the waves for a 3rd time...

So in that case how common or regular are these waves... be them within the Electro magnetic spectrum or eleswhere ?

There are suggestions that gravity waves are all around us !  so why so hard or appeared rare  to detect ?

If you watch the video in the 2nd post of this thread it should answer several of your questions.

[astr0144]

Sorry for the delay in my reply.

It may take some time and study to go thru the ATS thread posts and to try to gain a better understanding.

and I am not sure that I will get answers to some questions..

I may also have to rethink somethings thru again in ref to speed of gravity waves possibly relating to the EMS or comparing to Light... and maybe to do with Einsteins E = MC2 theory...

I am posting this that relates to Electro magnetic radiation that relates a bit more  to speed of the EMS waves..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation

Does anyone know what has happened to Robo... He has not posted for some time..I know he was having some severe difficulties...but I thought that he was showing signs of rebuilding himself back up ...

"The Gravity A and B waves. The frequency of those waves, 7.46 Hz, SMU's (singular mass units) Chargons and many other things."

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.msg122955#msg122955

Hope that helps.

If you watch the video in the 2nd post of this thread it should answer several of your questions.

[astr0144]

Just had a bit of a surprise...

I clicked on the link you gave me A51 that took me to another Living moon thread on PRC...and on a post on that thread that you referred me to was a link to a discussion on ATS under the title  Bob Lazar and Element 115.
Your link took me to page 9 on that ATS thread..and that was from 2007

I was then just checking to see how many further posts had been made on that thread..and if it was still active...

and what do I find   .....   I find a post by someone called Astr0144     and that was on page 40 of 41 pages..
and was from Mar 2012.. and had some posts from Zorgon... 

I now recall that was at time just before "Z" asked me to join PRC !

I had forgot all about it and could not recall the title of that thread from all that time back...as had then stopped visiting ATS after I came to PRC in 2012..

But I am sort of quite surprised that by coincidence that the thread that you referred me to happens to be maybe one of the only few on ATS that I ever posted on...from that far back..

How things can come back round in a circle !

That was when I new only some basic things about Bobs Story ?

Most posts on that thread went upto Aug 2013 upto the last page 41...and there was not that many made after the posts that I had made on page 40... I assume then, that  the less activity from 2013 was when John was dismissed from ATS.. !and few  other or future members have lost interest in that thread after John left..and few tended to post on it after that...  or have there been other similar threads connected to Bob and Element 115 I wonder that may still be as active  as that one had been !   If I recall when I looked back in 2012... there was not that many longer existeing threads on Bob Lazar..

then there has just been a couple more posts made upto Dec 2017...

but I still wonder why there was such a gap from 2013 to 2017 on that thread that I would have thought would have continued to consistantly be popular if its a main Bob Lazar Connected topic thread and related to the well known Bob Lazar followers in ref to his Element 115 ?

Seems I have may have quite a lot of reading to do If I have to read thru from page 9 to 41 to see what else may have been wrote...

but I think you and "Z: have indicated in the past that John only was a member there for so long before he got stopped..

I assume that it is not possible to have copied some of that ATS thread onto PRC due to copyright issues..

or has "Z" or someone else on PRC got a back up copy of it somewhere maybe ...

Astro -


"The Gravity A and B waves. The frequency of those waves, 7.46 Hz, SMU's (singular mass units) Chargons and many other things."

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.msg122955#msg122955



Hope that helps.

[ArMaP]

Does anyone know what has happened to Robo... He has not posted for some time..I know he was having some severe difficulties...but I thought that he was showing signs of rebuilding himself back up ...

Robomont appears to be doing fine, his last post on Amy's forum was yesterday.

[ArMaP]

Most posts on that thread went upto Aug 2013 upto the last page 41...and there was not that many made after the posts that I had made on page 40... I assume then, that  the less activity from 2013 was when John was dismissed from ATS..

If I'm not mistaken, that was in 2008.

[astr0144]

Thanks for informing us on that  ArMaP !

I am still a bit curious thou if John was banned from 2008 .... and that thread was still relatively active to 2013... why after then... there were only 2 more posts between 2013 to 2017 for what I would have thought had been a keen consistant type topic to many for both future as well as longer term existing members who would have still remained to have been interested in, as it seems to still be on other forums that discuss Bob Lazar and the Element 115 material.

You being connected to ATS... Could I copy Johns posts of ATS and add it to this thread...if I find some that I think were related to of the things that I am trying to research... or are  ATS likely to disaprove if they found out ?

(I know members copy and paste other content from other websites... but there may be some rules about doing so from certain websites like ATS ... I wonder , if copying their content ...even if one acknowledges a link to their website in the copied material)

Its just that I am surprised that certain posts had not been copied to say other similar threads on PRC that A51 had referred me to.

If I'm not mistaken, that was in 2008.

Good to know that Robo is still around and doing OK ...

Robomont appears to be doing fine, his last post on Amy's forum was yesterday.

[astr0144]

On doing a quick browse thru that related ATS thread that was referred to...

I am not sure that I can find answers to my questions on Speed of Gravity as yet.

but I came across this link that relates to Gravity waves and I think it relates to somethings A51 refers to in this thread.

This seems something that may offer some further answers... but no doubt some of it is rather complex..






http://www.gravwave.com//mission-statement.htm




This link seems to have some more related content..

http://www.gravwave.com/docs/Search%20for%20Invisible%20Waves%20v5c.pdf