Has any Rockets really been to the Moon ?

[1paintertoo]

From an electronics point of view, it was easier to cross the Van Allen belts in the 1960s than today, as the electronics of that time were much more resistant to radiation effects than today's much smaller (around 1000 times smaller) and energy efficient electronics.

Agree. Besides NASA, unless Roscosmos, CNSA, ISRO and JAXA have all faked their respective space missions, then there is a mountain of evidence piling up that, at the very least, engineers have successfully solved the shielding of 'electronic components' from dangerous radiation on space craft.

[ArMaP]

ArMaP, you know that I dont believe we ever passed through the Van Allen belts with the technology from the 60's - we have had a few conversations about this in the past as I recall.

I know, and I think there's nothing to prove that it was impossible.

RE NASA creating video's like this, I cant help them if they want to create infomercials for their space programs, bring them on I say, but the guy states what he states about working out how to get people through the belts safely, I didnt make that up, Kelly Smith states it on the video

Yes, he does say that in the video, I just think it's not honest to split the part about the electronics from the "send people through" part, as he never says that people are at risk from the radiation, but it does say that the electronics are. When the electronics control everything aboard the craft it's obvious that the people on the ship are at risk of an out of control guiding system or on board computers.

I really do hope the Orion Program works and they can get the data on what levels of radiation and types of radiation are circulating in the VA Belts and share that data with the rest of the world - until I see that data and proof positive, when they do send someone poor sucker through the belts (hopefully they dont get fried and do survive the trip) then I will be happy.

The Van Allen belts have been studied since 2012 by the Van Allen Probes, two identical satellites that are gathering data about the belts and that have found things that changed the scientist's views of the belts.

Would you like to make a small wager ArMaP with me, I say that there wont be a succesfull manned mission to the Moon in the next 20 years, I am 56 and in pretty good health so i think I can honour the wager if it should occur buddy, the loser sends the winner a chocolate or sweet confectionary of their choice OR alcohol if you do partake of this ArMaP ??

What do you reckon bud??  are you game ?? 

Although I'm one year younger I doubt I will live 20 years more, 50 years of asthma and asthma medications tend to affect the lungs and the heart, but I accept.

[fansongecho]

Coolio ArMaP, but let's make it 15 years, I am sorry to hear about the Asthma, I know that is bad for those afflicted with the condition bud -

What is your preference ??  I love chocolate, and beer in equal proportions 

Peace out...

Fans' 

[ArMaP]

Chocolate. 

Edited to add that it should be sugar-free chocolate, as I am diabetic, but real chocolate is better.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Has any Rockets really been to the Moon ?



If that was so.... Its also been suggested because the Saturn V Rockets could not hold enough fuel to get there and back...

and if they were even able to carry as much fuel as we see in a FULL Apollo rocket BEFORE it later splits into parts as the mission occurs where we see sections being disconnected say for eg after the initial stages of the boost to get up into space...where I suspect thats the most fuel carried on the rocket..

What happens once it gets into space and how much would the remaining rocket stages be able to carry and also expected to use as it continued its suggested mission to the moon. ?

You do realize that the 'rocket' portion was only use to get the CM & Lander into orbit? It wasn't used to take them to the moon!

[fansongecho]

@ArMap, cool buddy, I am lucky that I can eat full fat dark chocolate 

I will pm you my address for your records 


Cheers!

Fans' 

[Canine]

painter,

here's a good technical video on the radiation by an geologist skeptical of apollo's claims:



documents in the description at youtube

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings Jim Mar..er. 1paintertoo:

A pleasure to award you your first gold!

Did someone say 'chocolate?'

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8583.msg117220#msg117220

Still in North Carolina at Ground Zero Florence.

We already have a team in Florida.

Love to all.
Thor

[petrus4]

Agree. Besides NASA, unless Roscosmos, CNSA, ISRO and JAXA have all faked their respective space missions, then there is a mountain of evidence piling up that, at the very least, engineers have successfully solved the shielding of 'electronic components' from dangerous radiation on space craft.

Greetings 1paintertoo,
I think you will find that it is taken for granted among several posters here, that at least the American government (if not many others) has secret access to technologies which are anywhere between 25 and 100 years ahead of that which are publically known or available.  I am quite sure that very good radiation shielding would also have been discovered.