Immaculate Deception

[A51Watcher]

Understood.

I just wanted clarity on who is accused of what.

I don't see Bob in the mix.

And I don't see George complicit in any wrongdoing either.

Is he going to pull a Hymie and knowingly support a fraud like skinwalker? Is he aware of what kind of stunts 4 names has pulled? Time will tell.

I certainly cannot vouch for any of the others you mentioned.

[zorgon]

He's another name in it for the money.

George is a news reporter, until recently retired, from ITeam news. It was him that broke the Bob Lazar story. so yeah he is still of some use

yes George is about money  He lives in a huge mansion near John Lear...  don't think that came from a newsmans salary   But we still live in a capitalist country

I am not upset about people making money... UNLESS they are deliberately obfuscating the issue... which is what I believe is going on.

If I am wrong I will eat humble pie... I don't believe I am wrong

PS  At John's Dec 4th birthday party it was 4 Names that opened the connection to Bob Lazar to attend via Skype... so it's a good bet Bob is aware of things, just not sure if he is being used yet

[Irene]

99.9% of these UFO types are wrecking it for many of us. There is a great deal of obfuscation and you really have to cherry-pick truth from the bones.

I'm getting really tired of wading through all the crap that is thrown at us. Phil Schneider is a good example. Not sure about Cooper.

[A51Watcher]

Are you connected with this group in anyway?  I don't really care either way, just curious...

Nope. But I did send Tom Delonge an email about my team with samples last year shorty after 'the big announcement'.

Never heard back.

Also I pm'd 4 names last year on FB, showing him some examples of our work. He said 'nice!'

Soon as I showed him one from the A51Watcher yt page he went quiet and never responded again and I was blocked. Seems he recognized the handle from here and said UH OH!

But it is easy to tell that these guys are only in it for the money  and looks to me (and others) like they are going to toss John Lear under the bus.

Since I have no way to discuss this with Bob lazar, (nor is it really any of my business) I don't know how he is involved or affected

I only know John is concerned and feels helpless and he asked me to help

He is afraid to ask George about any of this because so far George is still his friend. He asked me to take care of it anyway I can, but I have no way to do that other than share our concerns and post what little we can find.

All I can hope for is someone else that has such ability can pick up the torch

What I am seeing is the death of serious UFOlogy...  There will be no real disclosure... it's all about who will get rich. And I am not the only one that has seen this

Maybe because I am outside... I don't have a pony in this race... beyond my personal interest


PS:  John just sent me Bob Lazar's email... so perhaps I will drop him a line and see what he says... I really DO have some radioactive rocks to sell

It will be sad if George is involved in any way in depriving John of money or pulling a Hymie.

[zorgon]

Also I pm'd 4 names last year on FB, showing him some examples of our work. He said 'nice!'

One of the convos with 4 names after the John lear FB fraud 

Agent X
I can see why Immaculate Deception hasn't come out..hhhmmm???

Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell
Hi Agent X Thank you for your MANY emails about Immaculate Deception. Clearly you are a big fan of John Lear's, and I do appreciate your interest. I do not however spend time emailing through Facebook, as I simply don't have the bandwidth for it. As I said on my last appearance on Coast to Coast AM

bandwidth? on FB? really? email takes almost zero bandwidth. Besides any decent IP provider is doing unlimited bandwidth and Godaddy is one of them

[Pimander]

Am I trigger happy? Sure. We all are.

I think the Americans among us are more so than most, with your gun metaphors... 

You'll be shooting the breeze next.

I'm getting really tired of wading through all the crap that is thrown at us. Phil Schneider is a good example. Not sure about Cooper.

If you are referring to Bill Cooper and are not prepared to read millions of words then take it from me (I have waded through serious volumes of crap) and read things us veterans suggest or trust your gut...

And Petrus is wrong in one sense, there is more than just bollocks.  I have seen a UFO and it was a craft.  Not misidentification of a plane, not swamp gas, not a plastic bag in the wind...  No shit.  A craft.  Up fairly close.  Not an hallucination (I discussed it with people who were there).  Noises, EM phenomena, the lot.  UFOlogy may have some answers but wading through shit can be tiring.

[Irene]

I think the Americans among us are more so than most, with your gun metaphors... 

You'll be shooting the breeze next.
If you are referring to Bill Cooper and are not prepared to read millions of words then take it from me (I have waded through serious volumes of crap) and read things us veterans suggest or trust your gut...

And Petrus is wrong in one sense, there is more than just bollocks.  I have seen a UFO and it was a craft.  Not misidentification of a plane, not swamp gas, not a plastic bag in the wind...  No poop.  A craft.  Up fairly close.  Not an hallucination (I discussed it with people who were there).  Noises, EM phenomena, the lot.  UFOlogy may have some answers but wading through poop can be tiring.

Are you a contactee CE3 or above?

[space otter]

hey Pim

have you ever given any thought that it might have been from another dimension rather than outer space ?

i know what i saw also but i have rethought the origins of it

[Pimander]

Are you a contactee CE3 or above?

I can only be sure about CE2.

And Zorgon will you turn that Fuc4ing swear word blocker off for the work s4it.  Everyone knows poop is the same thing.  JEEEEEEZUS!!!

[Pimander]

have you ever given any thought that it might have been from another dimension rather than outer space ?

It could be from anywhere.  However, it was definitely physical as it's effects on us were physical. I am also pretty certain that it was technological (definitely not a plasma critter or biological entity).

[space otter]

yes to all of that

nothing i experienced has changed for me except my thoughts of where it came from

with the time line stuff i feel that we are overlooking something
and that something maybe a crossover of some type involving dimensions..

as i watched the vehicle leave it was like it went behind a curtain..so that's where i am with the dimensional thing

same experience..perhaps different source than i thought

[Irene]

yes to all of that

nothing i experienced has changed for me except my thoughts of where it came from

with the time line stuff i feel that we are overlooking something
and that something maybe a crossover of some type involving dimensions..

as i watched the vehicle leave it was like it went behind a curtain..so that's where i am with the dimensional thing

same experience..perhaps different source than i thought

MHO, we're dealing with either interdimensionals or time travelers, probably from our future.

Whoever they are, the f**kers really like to play sadistic games with us.

[space otter]

MHO, we're dealing with either interdimensionals or time travelers, probably from our future.

YEP

[Pimander]

same experience..perhaps different source than i thought

Much of the darker CE3 stuff (abductions etc) seem to be related to the older folk lore type material and inter-dimensionals.  I'd say that is a no brainer.  But in the light of many facts I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is something quite remarkable hidden from us in this dimension...

There is definitely research connected to CE3 contacts ongoing that I hope will see the light of day.  But like with the nuts and bolts craft, vested interests and money seem to be involved.  I say we scrap Capitalism.  Post Capitalism is long overdue.  Is Money really worth this much? 

Disclaimer: Don't forget what I admitted earlier regarding disclosure....

[zorgon]

And Zorgon will you turn that Fuc4ing swear word blocker off for the work s4it.  Everyone knows poop is the same thing.  JEEEEEEZUS!!!

Okay I will change to read perfume