Immaculate Deception

[A51Watcher]

re: Zorgan's question on possible reflection of light.

Well if we were seeing reflection of light in the shades of black process, why is the shape displayed in each frame not the same? The shapes are completely different in each frame. And why are the shapes not linear since they are reflecting off a smooth linear surface?

Good question but doesn't fit the evidence.


Now lets deal with the assertion by a member that is unsupported by the facts per usual.

Scientifically Unproven graphic manipulation of photos or film, passed off as proof is illegitimate hogwash.

Do you even know what a scientific method is??

Clue: An experiment performed by one researcher who then publishes the results and the method by which this result was obtained, so that his peers may then perform the same experiment and see if they get the same results. 

THAT is scientific method my friend.


And that is exactly what the creator of the shades of black process has done. And his peers have confirmed the result.

Beyond that, professionals in the image analysis field have confirmed the results and this method. Are you a professional in this field?


So enough with the emotional opinions on science that have no basis in fact.

You had your chance to pipe up back when the shades of black thread was created. About a dozen members including Zorgon joined in and participated in recreating the experiment. That is called science!

Why don't you try it, instead of just flaming rude emotional comments that have no basis in fact?

There are dozens of stills and videos From Bob and myself on this site.

Grab a frame and get yourself a basic paint program with a color replacer function.

Drag your mouse across the image and when you find one that is not the same value as your background, tell the replace function to change the color of every pixel of that value in the image, to a color of your choice.

Very simple and easy. No one has ever come back and said 'Hey it doesn't work!' because that is scientifically impossible. 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

See my PM...

[A51Watcher]

Uh oh, a secret rebuttal to my post so powerful that world is not allowed to see it!

This should be good.

[zorgon]

I was suggesting that Mark/Springer was not respecting privacy by going public about his visit.  It is called hypocrisy.

Yes as Tweety says "He's a hippotwit"    But yeah we call that a teaser... dangle out a sentence that says "I was there stay tuned"  then ban or block threads when people react to it.

Well I don't miss ATS LOL   It is only natural for ANY researcher, pro or not, to want to know WHO is behind WHAt  and the ownership of Skin Walker has been known for years  Its all over the net. Bigelow never made it a secret that he bought it, or that he gave money to UFO groups and his 4 million donation to the UNLV for paranormal studies was all over local news

So WHY is it a big deal?   My only concern is how this Jeremy 4 Names has weaseled himself in to this money mess... All I care about is he did wrong by John Lear and has no contract, yet has ALL of John's files and info.  If John leaves this earth, there is nothing stopping 4 Names from stealling it all... expecially since he already owns TheRealJohnLear.com website

But hey... as I said, I am a small fish. Sure I have a website that gets 4 million monthly views, but we don't have a real team here (as recent posts show is still a problem) and we don't have any big money supporting Pegasus... 

So how do you even begin to fight the money and power behind this new development? With an ex Senator that has a proven history of being an evil scammer at the top, a major rich celebrity, a major news anchor and Bob Lazar's name  in the mix. the money that is backing ATS now tossed in... THEY will drive this anyway they want  and my voice will be a squawk in the dark.

But I bet one day not too long from now I bet I will get to say "I TOLD YOU SO"

[zorgon]

As for the latest DRAMA unfolding

I picked this up at an Antique Shoppe a while back

I am willing to loan it out 

[zorgon]

A51Watcher

I popped over to your Twitter page  Spotted something interesting

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Uh oh, a secret rebuttal to my post so powerful that world is not allowed to see it!

This should be good.

I was trying not to tie up the thread with useless banter between you and me. But you can't help yourself.
Concerning my post, I was speaking in general terms and at no time did I make reference to anyone on this forum.
If SOME, took it another way, (gulp)( ), I apologize for any hurt feelings.


edit: clarified my post a bit..

[A51Watcher]

As for the latest DRAMA unfolding

I picked this up at an Antique Shoppe a while back

I am willing to loan it out 

As I replied to the PM - If you can't stand the heat in the debate forum, get out of the kitchen.

I am quite used to defending my positions.

That is one of the reasons you found me and pulled me away from ATS.

My record still stands over there. Easy enough to look it up.

I sliced and diced ignorant debunkers like there was no tomorrow. I do not suffer fools easily.

That is also no secret.


Also, I rarely if ever pipe up on subjects where I do not know what I am talking about.

Those that do are like shooting fish in a barrel.

[A51Watcher]

A51Watcher

I popped over to your Twitter page  Spotted something interesting

Looks like they are data mining YOU for the UFO connection.

Those are not the recommendations I see on that page.

[A51Watcher]

I was trying not to tie up the thread with useless banter between you and me. But you can't help yourself.
Concerning my post, I was speaking in general terms and at no time did I make reference to anyone on this forum.
If SOME, took it another way, (gulp)( ), I apologize for any hurt feelings.


edit: clarified my post a bit..

Understood. But since the subject of the Image group has been raised several times recently and Zorgon responded, the comment appeared pointed at us, as noticed by others besides myself.


Realize that we all are subject to trolls and debunkers constantly and have been for years.

Am I trigger happy? Sure. We all are.

Sincere Apologies if your comments were not aimed at us.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Understood. But since the subject of the Image group has been raised several times recently and Zorgon responded, the comment appeared pointed at us, as noticed by others besides myself.


Realize that we all are subject to trolls and debunkers constantly and have been for years.

Am I trigger happy? Sure. We all are.

Sincere Apologies if your comments were not aimed at us.

Accepted! So let's move along, ok?

[A51Watcher]

Ok Zorgon,

So now let's get down to the nitty gritty about allegations about George Knapp.

What exactly are you accusing him of?

Continuing to work with 4 names even after you alerted him via his facebook page what you guys caught 4 names doing?

Do you have a snapshot of that post before he deleted it?

What did it say?

Does George know you, or does he consider you just another random facebook poster?

[zorgon]

Ok Zorgon,
So now let's get down to the nitty gritty about allegations about George Knapp.
What exactly are you accusing him of?

I suggest you re read this post  3rd paragraph
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.msg142728#msg142728

Continuing to work with 4 names even after you alerted him via his facebook page what you guys caught 4 names doing?

I have not alerted George of anything... as I said I can only speak on what happened with John and yes that is all documented and I have already posted all that.

Do you have a snapshot of that post before he deleted it?

Which post? One for George? there isn't one... perhaps re read what I have been saying

Does George know you,

I have met George on several occasions, once at the atomic museum Area 51 talks and every tyime he shows up at John's parties.  Years ago I turned down an interview with him. I have repeatedly said I don't do interviews or talk shows.

or does he consider you just another random facebook poster?

Most likely he doesn't consider me much at all  As I said I am just a small fish with no fame, so I would be useless to him.

I will repeat one more time... in neon lights...

So WHY is it a big deal?   My only concern is how this Jeremy 4 Names has weaseled himself in to this money mess... All I care about is he did wrong by John Lear and has no contract, yet has ALL of John's files and info.  If John leaves this earth, there is nothing stopping 4 Names from stealling it all... expecially since he already owns TheRealJohnLear.com website

But hey... as I said, I am a small fish. Sure I have a website that gets 4 million monthly views, but we don't have a real team here (as recent posts show is still a problem) and we don't have any big money supporting Pegasus... 

So how do you even begin to fight the money and power behind this new development? With an ex Senator that has a proven history of being an evil scammer at the top, a major rich celebrity, a major news anchor and Bob Lazar's name  in the mix. the money that is backing ATS now tossed in... THEY will drive this anyway they want  and my voice will be a squawk in the dark.

But I bet one day not too long from now I bet I will get to say "I TOLD YOU SO"

[zorgon]

Are you connected with this group in anyway?  I don't really care either way, just curious...

But it is easy to tell that these guys are only in it for the money  and looks to me (and others) like they are going to toss John Lear under the bus.

Since I have no way to discuss this with Bob lazar, (nor is it really any of my business) I don't know how he is involved or affected

I only know John is concerned and feels helpless and he asked me to help

He is afraid to ask George about any of this because so far George is still his friend. He asked me to take care of it anyway I can, but I have no way to do that other than share our concerns and post what little we can find.

All I can hope for is someone else that has such ability can pick up the torch

What I am seeing is the death of serious UFOlogy...  There will be no real disclosure... it's all about who will get rich. And I am not the only one that has seen this

Maybe because I am outside... I don't have a pony in this race... beyond my personal interest


PS:  John just sent me Bob Lazar's email... so perhaps I will drop him a line and see what he says... I really DO have some radioactive rocks to sell

[Irene]

My. 02¢ on Knapp ~

I just watched an hour of video in which he discusses Skinwalker Ranch. His name is on the damn book and he can't get basic details correct.

He's another name in it for the money.

If someone is in it for the money they're useless to us. For people who've been down this road, it isn't about the money. It's about understanding WTF is happening to us and, overall, WTF is going on.