Immaculate Deception

[zorgon]

ah this is so sad  in respect to reply # 37 and the welsh dragon story
i went looking for more info cause, wow ! is he cute
and found this
farce book  and april fools  strikes again

Yes it WAS April Fools day, after all the date on the article says APRIL 1st But it is not FAKE NEWS , it was a Touch of Humor... 

Sometime in our haste to scream FAKE at everything, we forget to just enjoy a cute faerie tale.  But stay tuned  the REAL Dragons are coming...

[zorgon]

Even if Bob doesn't care it's against Facebook rules, people aren't allowed to create accounts in other people's names without their permission.

But if they (FB) are not aware of the rule breaking, how are they suppose to handle it. And remember who we're talking about here. The UFO Road Warrior! Lol

While that sounds good and may be the rule, it is not easy to get fixed.  The person who's name is being used has to instigate the action.  When we tried to Fix John's account several people reported the fraud. They did nothing. Finally we got hold of someone who could do something but we had to send an email from the account that John used to create his original FB account.  Since Corbell has stolen that password John had no way to get that fixed. He had to write a letter to COX to get his password reset. Once we had that it was easy to send emai;l requesting new password

Corbell took advantage of John in his weaken state and under the guise of 'helping' John with his computer issues, he got the passwords

John called a little while ago and gave me permission to do what I can regarding this. Not sure what all I can do but i can certainly post it on his facebook page so all his friends see it.  The thing is there is a lot of money and clout in that mix og George Knapp, Harry Reid, Robert Bigelow and Hal Puthoff  Who knows who else is in on this. Col John Alexander?  Hmmmm  All the way back to the Aviary birds still flocking together. 

I don't really see what puny little old me can do about this... hard enough just getting through the monthly bills.

Disclosure? I doubt it  I really do... I HOPE I am wrong and something useful will come of this, but my gut says this is all Rotten Tuna from Fukushima

[space otter]

Sometime in our haste to scream FAKE at everything, we forget to just enjoy a cute faerie tale.

well just call me gullable for thinking anything was possible
and wanting to check it out further
and then call me stupid for not realizing you were playing games
and unobservant about the date listed
and then call me sad that it wasn't true..even though the explanation sounded very scripted. (also why i wanted to check it out more)

and i wasn't in such a hurry to scream fake but to keep anyone else from thinking you were stupid for posting it as truth
when it wasn't

guess i will have to weigh your postings differently in the future
you have just lowered the cloud  i held you on

life can be so cruel

SIGH

[zorgon]

but to keep anyone else from thinking you were stupid for posting it as truth  when it wasn't
guess i will have to weigh your postings differently in the future
you have just lowered the cloud  i held you on

LOL I have posted MANY posts on Dragons in the past... I LIKE Dragons, real or not ''Usually the addtion of these     is pretty good indication I am kidding around

life can be so cruel

The DRAGON BOOK

http://landoflegendslv.com/03ports/mystsofavalon/06Dragons/dragons.html

THIS is my REALITY

[zorgon]

and then call me sad that it wasn't true.

Patience... the REAL dragons are coming to a thread near you

[ArMaP]

The person who's name is being used has to instigate the action.

Now that I looked at it I saw that the page is called "AlienPropulsion" and in the "About" page it says it's a short documentary with Bob Lazar and George Knapp.

[space otter]

LOL I have posted MANY posts on Dragons in the past... I LIKE Dragons, real or not ''Usually the addtion of these     is pretty good indication I am kidding around

yes but i didn't see any of those in your post..and as it was april 6 when you posted and the paper said april 1.. i mistakenly  thought that you had just found it.....sigh

the real clue was it didn't have it's own thread..now that should have tipped me off..but i really wanted it to be true and it led me down the wrong road..
but it has helped make me more tolerant of other folks following a false trail  so thank you for the enlightenment
but dang..i'm still sad
and with some of the specimens i have seen in my garden thru the years ..i thought someone might have..maybe actually saw
something wonderous..
but no.. sadly no little dragon  ..boo hoo

But stay tuned  the REAL Dragons are coming...

the real ones are already here..but that's an whole other thread

[A51Watcher]

Quote from: A51Watcher on April 02, 2018, 09:25:06 AM
You should ask John to detail WHY the gravity propulsion craft CAN NOT POSSIBLY be terrestrial military inventions.

That blue on black is almost impossible for me to read

John has told me many things over the years.  Sometimes the stories change   One of the first ones he told me is how we used anti gravity tech to get a giant bucketwheel excavator to the moon, without taking it apart

Like THIS ONE



And actually, lately we talk more about Nevada mining and old mine locations and stories than we do about UFO's

I was speaking from an aviation standpoint.

Human technology is unable to go 5000 mph and cut 90 degree corners while doing so.

Or hover at a standstill then immediately achieve 5000 mph with no acceleration lag. Then come to an abrupt halt and hover again, or immediately bounce back in the opposite direction. 

Yet we have seen such maneuvers by flying saucers since 1947.

Humans can burn all the jet fuel (or any fuel) they want and still never replicate those maneuvers.

Even remote control craft would not survive such a thrashing.

A 90 degree corner at 5000 mph would be like slamming into a sky scraper then trying to continue your flight on a new vector.

Combustion technology does not provide a method or solution for the types of speeds and maneuvers witnessed and recorded.


THAT is the aviation technology barrier that separates us from them, and John is best suited to explain the mass and g forces that prevent us from doing so, since he has earned every aviation certificate available.

[zorgon]

yes but i didn't see any of those in your post..and as it was april 6 when you posted and the paper said april 1.. i mistakenly  thought that you had just found it.....sigh

Well I can only add ONE thing to this


APRILS FOOLS!!! GOTCHA

[zorgon]

Human technology is unable to go 5000 mph and cut 90 degree corners while doing so.

Or hover at a standstill then immediately achieve 5000 mph with no acceleration lag. Then come to an abrupt halt and hover again, or immediately bounce back in the opposite direction. 

Yet we have seen such maneuvers by flying saucers since 1947.

Well there are a lot of issues here;

1) It is claimed by Bob Lazar and his supporters that we have already reverse engineered such flying saucers. Those videos he and you have from Area 51 are supposedly proof the we HUMANS do now at least actually have such technology. Ben Rich said as much.

2) However the Pentagon "release' that is the current buzz says "We are not saying Alien Spacecraft"  and they say "There is nothing to see here important enough to bother keeping the program running, it's too expensive and no results" 

UFO or UAP does NOT mean Alien Flying Saucer no matter how much we WANT to believe it does

3) There is still the CRITTER situation. Many researchers and even main syream science are starting to see that many of these UAP's may in fact be plasma critters... native to Earth and LEO. These critters have likely been responsible for Ghost sightings, the odd Orbs people are seeing everywhere, and the things that buzz around NASA spacecraft.  I am not saying ALL are critter  just (80%ish (IMO)  Denise Stoner of MUFON estimates 50% are critters.

Critters, as they are beings made of energy, can exhibit all the characteristics of these 'flying saucers'  They have no solid matter so are unaffected by inertia. They are blurry orbs or shape shifting blobs, that glow at night. They gain in intensity near power plants, power lines, thunder storms and space craft that are collecting electron charge by merely orbiting ( A lot... enough to kill an astronaut who gets careless and does not ground properly) They are also responsible for those early Nuke site shutdowns because their EMP field triggered those old relays to go into a cascade failure

Critters as they are energy would leave no physical trace, and would not appear on radar (though they might when they are highly energized)

Critters also make more sense in a number of ways...  These UFO's are seen by the thousands around the world. There is NO WAY it makes ANY sense that there are thousands of alien flying saucers buzzing aimlessly around our planet, yet we don't have a SINGLE ONE that has been caught and put in public display.  However the behavior of these is more like moths flittering about enjoying life than an Alien race on a mission to just buzz around our skies.  They make more sense as to leaving no physical trace and they make more sense with the motions witnessed as they feel no more inertia than a ball of lightning (which may possibly be critters been 'born' )

Humans can burn all the jet fuel (or any fuel) they want and still never replicate those maneuvers.

Humans ARE burning jet fuel and rocket fuel and blowing them up still... which kinda makes the case for us NOT having any working reverse engineered flying saucers.

I understand that Bigelow, DeLonge et al are wanting to build one  

Even remote control craft would not survive such a thrashing.

... UNLESS.....

A 90 degree corner at 5000 mph would be like slamming into a sky scraper then trying to continue your flight on a new vector.

... UNLESS.....

Combustion technology does not provide a method or solution for the types of speeds and maneuvers witnessed and recorded.

Agreed... HOWEVER....

THAT is the aviation technology barrier that separates us from them, and John is best suited to explain the mass and g forces that prevent us from doing so, since he has earned every aviation certificate available.

Actually no , he is not the best, because what is needed is an expert in PHYSICS  not Aviation.  All the flight certificates in the world cannot explain it. All they can do is explain what we already know about conventional aircraft. Bob Lazar claims to have knowledge of Physics He would be better qualified  Though I suspect he has other motives in this

HOWEVER... I have some small back ground in Physics... and way back in high school I asked my teacher a few simple questions... and got answers.  When he found out WHY I wanted to know this, he got a little upset Seems he didn't believe in aliens

So...  as I said 80%ish of UFO sightings  are PLASMA CRITTERS  native to Earth's atmosphere and LEO. They have always been here and have just been called other names by those who didn't understand what they were seeing... Ghosts, Brown Mtn Lights; Orbs; Plasma Phenomena plaguing spacecraft (NASA report from Jim Oberg dated 1964).  It was Trevor James Constable and Wilhelm Reich that first coined the term CRITTERS in the 50's

15% of UFO sightings are our own black ops craft. Now these figures are AFTER eliminating the obvious hoaxes, fakes and mis identified phenomena like triangular garbage bag balloons (stilll reported as UFO's by MUFON) Like THIS ONE

British witness says UFO hovered 20 feet off ground
Posted by: Roger Marsh  March 10, 2015

A Great Britain witness at Worcester reported two encounters with a UFO beginning at 7 p.m. on March 8, 2015, where the object in the second sighting was about 20 feet off of the ground, according to testimony in Case 63845 from the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) witness reporting database.



http://www.openminds.tv/british-witness-says-ufo-hovered-20-feet-off-ground/32528

Well as long as "UFO Researcher" are being so stupid and sloppy to keep recording obvious and know objects as UFO' we will never get anywhere. But MUFON gets money from Bigelow for this crap and charges $350.00 a pop for symposium tickets.    Yes it's all a sham to make big money from a very gullible public.   Oddly enough the very term UFOlogist as a scientific term is a joke... How do you become an expert on UNIDENTIFIED?    How is the study of UNIDENTIFIED a plausible science? Well it's not  It's just a UFO circuit gig...

What serious researchers need is a new name   like the military is using UAP now

So... that leaves 5% of UFO sightings that truly fit the unexplained category and might be actual craft.  I spent decades before the internet tracking reports and grouping them by descriptions and behaviors. This was LONG before I got my first computer, a Commodore 64.

In effect  I CAN answer how these maneuvers are possible and, provided we have the answer to only ONE riddle, we don't need vastly superior knowledge. TESLA already knew it 100 years ago, Had we chosen science instead of war we would already be vacationing on Alpha Centauri Prime

continued...

[zorgon]

Okay so  5% are (Likely) the REAL visiting spacecraft. I am quite convince that the early 1950's visitations by "Venusians" were real... All the contactees at that time told us they looked like us.  The flaps wer real and well documented even though the main photo of the UFO's over the Capitol in my opinions is showing street lamp reflections in the lens  (they match up if you do the analysis) and the blueish one recreated for the video is just that CGI rrecreation.

1) Anti Gravity.... 

Anti Gravity is a red herring, a fantasy, and useless for space travel.  Why it may lift us off the planet  as soon as you get high enough you would end up like a sailing ship in the Sargasso Sea, no wind... and stranded.  So too would an anti gravity powered craft be stuck in zero G with nothing to repel against, save the tiny galactic gravity that hold planets in orbit. But as we see on the ISS that is relatively ZERO G

What you need is MORE gravity, You need gravity generators (gravitrons as some have called them) to generate enough gravity to warp space and make jumps.  Bob's sports model shows that.

A side effect of high gravity fields would be a loss of time feeling, because space and time are distorted around fields of intense gravity (IE a singularity where time almost stops relatively speaking)

Aslo sine matter and anti matter annihilate each other in a violent manner releasing enormous energy ( Bob's 115 drive as example )  so too would ant gravity and gravity cancel each other out, perhaps violently as well.  GRAVITY SHIELDING would be more useful 

Okay so let's talk about INERTIA  which is the one force that would make these maneuvers impossible.


Back to the high school questions... and a simple experiment in physics that every kid learned and yet no one was aware that they had the secret of flying saucers in their hands.

The experiment is a small copper SPHERE on an insulated post. This sphere has a small hole in it so you can access the interior

You place a CHARGE on the sphere... positive or negative...  then you take a small pith ball on a string of opposite charge and it will attract and equal charge will repel the pith ball... this is basic EM Physics in ever text book.

Now since that sphere is SYMMETRICAL the charge is equal all around that sphere.  HOWEVER... the charge on the INSIDE of that sphere is ZERO  because the charge cancels it self out from all sides.

The other question I asked, and this is the key one, is "Does this effect work on other shapes than a sphere, particularly on a lens shape?"

He said YES, but the exterior effect would be concentrated around the rim of the lens. The shape still has to be symmetrical to have cancellation on the INSIDE

This is the same principal they use on the stealth planes putting a charge on the skin....

Now then... the TRICK is to have the CHARGE on the skin that will cover all frequencies of the EM spectrum/  If you do that you can now deflect ALL energy, like radar waves, light, and even beam weapons. In fact you can become invisible as light bends around your FIELS  Image a force field around you...



This also accounts for the reason you CANNOT take a clear photo of a UFO with it's drive system/field generator on.  It would be impossible as you can see in the image above

The following picture is a SIMILAR effect but a different cause. It is valid as an example because HEAT is actual Infr red and is on the EM spectrum  The exhaust of the jet, a HEAT/IR radiation source, blurs the image behind the exhaust  Same idea different cause... Same way a Mirage uses radiating heat from the ground to blur the view and reflect images from far away



So in effect you would require your flyinf saucer to be lens shaped (the classic saucer shape) or a spherical craft)  Other shapes would work as long as they are symmetrical (ie the Borg Ship ) but those would not be practical for use in atmosphere.  You could use a cylinder... and attach a skirt for stability in air.  Same on the lens  Attach a skirt and you have the typical flying saucer we use as a graphic

Lens shape:



Cylinder shape with skirt



So what we NEED to make this Force Field concept work to repel inertia, is a working UNIFIED FIELD THEORY  nothing more    Einstein was close, we don't know if Tesla figured it out

EM effect and electricity is the key  Tesla knew it..  Magnetic Levitation, Super Conductor Levitation, and Static electricity ALL exhibit the same 'gravity shielding' effects

Take a look at this one as an example  Unfortunately I don't have videos of an actual flying saucer to show you

[zorgon]

Generate a strong enough force field or skin charge on you craft you can repel anything.  The stealth planes can actually push aside molecules of air (as all molecules have a charge) and virtually eliminate that annoying sonic boom  AND decrease air resistance at the same time allowing higher speeds

This one is a kids toy  called a LEVITRON  Uses simple magnetic levitation to repel against gravity  Magnetism is the M part of EM radiation.  We just don't have the G component added yet

[zorgon]

2) Force Field and Glowing Saucers

One of the things I noticed when collecting reports is the GLOW of 'saucers" at night.  It appeared that there were different colors associated with different speeds

So  if you do a chart you will find:

Red/Dull red glow  --- craft is hovering
Red/orange --- craft is moving slow or low altitude
Orange/yellow --- --- craft is higher or moving faster
Yellow/ white -- higher and/or faster
White to Blue White  --- high altitude or fast moving
(some adjustment in results could be due to 'revving the engine' as it were)

No EM field is perfect... I suspect the glow is a 'leakage' in some way or a side effect of the EM field reacting with the surrounding molecules

During the day the glow would be not visible, but the craft would have to appear blurred

INERTIA DAMPERS are the stuff ALL science fiction shows use to allow space flight to be possible (except in Star Trek  they never have seat belts and get tossed around a lot )

INERTIA DAMPERS would be possible easily IF we had that Unified Field theory down pat and tied Gravity and Inertia to our current EM Spectrum.  But as the above levitaion experiments show that ANYBODY can do at home shows. we do not need very advanced technology at all  We just need ONE piece of the puzzle of the radiation spectrum

And I am sure Tesla had it or was extremely close. Too bad we chose WAR instead of EXPLORATION

Stupid Monkeys

[zorgon]

Now that I looked at it I saw that the page is called "AlienPropulsion" and in the "About" page it says it's a short documentary with Bob Lazar and George Knapp.

John called yesterday and gave me permission to handle this best I can...  Told him not sure what I can do but he gave me Bob's email... So all I can do is pass along awareness like we did to John originally.  I am a nobody in this and really not a lot I can do except point it out to those involved.

So I will just write bob and give him the heads up  and see where the crap falls.

Also gonna see if he is interested in my radioactive mineral specimens

[zorgon]

Okay Back to Dragons

yes this will be all collected in a dragon section LOL   so BE PATIENT

But this is about how Dragons can fly with those huge bodies and tiny wings

Pay attention  Secrest of the Universe type stuff (this movie also explains what happened to the Dragons and why only some of us can still see them But this section is about the flight




"Flight of Dragons"
By Don McLean