Immaculate Deception

[zorgon]

The Program

But now let's jump ahead 14 years and take a look what has transpired so far: We learn thanks to the TTS/AAS release of 2017 that a black Pentagon project was started at the behest of at-the-time Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (NV-Dem) back in 2007, in order to study unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the potential threat they pose to national security, and that Robert Bigelow – a friend of Reid – won the bid for the contract, and used the money granted by the DIA to build a large building at his Bigelow Aerospace plant in Las Vegas, Nevada, for reasons directly related to the study.

To work on the DIA contract Bigelow replaced his defunct NIDS with a new scientific initiative called Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), which seems to have been the prime beneficiary of Bigelow Aerospace's facility expansion. And by 2010, researchers noticed that on the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), website pilots were encouraged to report their UFO sighting to... BAASS!

Persons wanting to report UFO/unexplained phenomena activity should contact a UFO/unexplained phenomena reporting data collection center, such as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) (voice: 1-877-979-7444 or e-mail: Reporting@baass.org)

Not only that, but it's clear Bigelow was eager to get their hands on fresh UFO reports through any available channel: In 2008 (one year after the Pentagon AATIP program started) Bigelow had made an agreement with MUFON to bankroll the civilian organization so they could get 'boots on the ground' as soon as they learned of a new case – the so-called STAR Team initiative.

Feuds on how MUFON would spend Bigelow's monies – which we NOW know came from the Pentagon program – abounded. By 2009 MUFON's international director James Carrion resigns out of frustration of how Bigelow was taking hold of the organization. How much did he take hold of MUFON throughout the years? By 2012 it is revealed by researcher Jack Brewer of The UFO Trail that John Carpenter, who was the director of abduction research for MUFON at the time, had handed over information of abductees – people who claim to have been taken once or on numerous occasions by alien beings for alleged experimentation purposes – to NIDS in the mid-1990s in exchange for money. Why this matters is because the names and particulars of those individuals were shared by them with MUFON in full confidentiality, so at the very least it is an ugly breach in ethics.

Let us now jump to a statement published last Sunday at the Las Vegas Now news Channel 8 website – where  George Knapp is part of its team of reporters – which was one of a number of documents Knapp procured from BAASS to prove there was indeed a Pentagon-backed UFO study based in Nevada.

The title of the document – which is tellingly short –  is unsigned and reads Statement from a Senior Manager of BAASS. It claims that during the time of the Pentagon program BAASS hired, trained and deployed "50 full-time staff comprising retired military intelligence [emphasis mine] and law enforcement officers, PhD level scientists, engineers, technicians, analysts, translators, and project managers to create the largest multi-disciplinary full-time team in history to investigate the UFO topic."

The document also boldly states that BAASS's investigation ultimately proved the phenomenon was more than simply "nuts and bolts" machines that interacted with military aircraft, something authors and researchers like Nick Redfern, Greg Bishop and many others have been championing for years, much to the chagrin of those who are still waiting to 'kick the tires' of flying saucers, and learn all about their propulsion systems. The anonymous author acknowledges how the phenomenon manifests in a wide variety of ways, including "bizarre creatures, poltergeist activity, invisible entities, orbs of light, animal and human injuries and much more."

But the biggest bombshell comes in the final few paragraphs:

One of the major successes of BAASS was in adopting the novel approach of utilizing the human body as a readout system for dissecting interactions with the UFO phenomenon. This novel approach aimed to circumvent the increasing evidence of deception and subterfuge by the UFO phenomenon in that multiple eyewitnesses co-located in the same vicinity frequently reported seeing widely different events. The evidence was multiplying that the UFO phenomenon was capable of manipulating and distorting human perception and therefore eyewitness testimony of UFO activity was becoming increasingly untrustworthy.

The BAASS approach was to view the human body as a readout system for UFO effects by utilizing forensic technology, the tools of immunology, cell biology, genomics and neuroanatomy for in depth study of the effects of UFOs on humans. This approach marked a dramatic shift away from the traditional norms of relying on eyewitness testimony as the central evidentiary arm in UFO investigations. The approach aimed to bypass UFO deception and manipulation of human perception by utilizing molecular forensics to decipher the biological consequences of the phenomenon.

The result of applying this new approach was a revolution in delineating the threat level of UFOs.

Contrary to the statement's claims, using human beings as a 'readout system' is actually nothing new. Such an approach has been utilized in the field of parapsychology for many years. In this 2011 interview for Radio Misterioso for example, Dr. Barry Taff – a parapsychologist best known for his involvement with the famous 'Entity' case of 1974, which was the basis of a Hollywood horror movie – explained to the host Greg Bishop how his research had convinced him that during paranormal phenomena the human body acts as a kind of 'bio-reactor' which somehow seems to help the activity to manifest into our plane of reality, which would explain how paranormal activity tends to be more localized on certain people. He has also found certain correlations between geo-magnetic anomalies and epilepsy-prone individuals.

Diana Walsh Pasulka is a professor and Chair of the Department of Philosophy and Religion in the University of North Carolina Wilmington, and the author of the upcoming book American Cosmic, which deals with novel approaches to the UFO topic as well as validating the deep interest wealthy individuals in the private sector have in the subject, and how these entrepreneurs are trying to find ways to study and capitalize on the phenomenon, just as Robert Bigelow has tried to do. On her Facebook page she acknowledged that BAASS's method of making the human being the locus or site for the study of the effects, 'concurred' with what the scientists she interviewed for her book told her.

Parapsychologists have been documenting positive results of their experiments for years. The problem is they are yet to propose a model for these results that would convince experts from other fields, because such models would demand a departure from the current materialist paradigm our modern science is based on. But as history has taught us again and again, observation always precedes theoretical prediction, and the current state of psi research is akin to the state of research of electromagnetism in the 19th century, before a viable mathematical model was formalized. Such is the argument raised in this paper – published at the CIA website no less! – written by Harold Puthoff and Russell Targ, who lead the Stanford Research Institute back when the US government was running its famous Stargate 'psychic' project.

(Hal Puthoff, it bears mentioning, is vice president of the TTS/AAS Science and Technology division)

So it does seem BAASS is indeed following a much needed non-orthodox approach to the study of UFOs that is borrowed from the parapsychology handbook, which places the human being as a primary focus of the effects caused by UFO/paranormal activity: not only that, but it also boldly concludes that whatever it is we're dealing with, it's not just metal spacecraft from some other planet following a bizarre version of Star Trek's prime directive. Great!

...Only there's just two little pesky details that remain a mystery: WHO are the individuals used by BAASS as a 'readout system' during their research, and WHERE were those experiments conducted?


Old entrance to Skinwalker ranch

[zorgon]

The Whistleblower

When I first learned about the AATIP/AASWA Pentagon program and slowly began to try and connect the dots, I initially thought that the New York Times' reference to "[r]esearchers [who] also studied people who said they had experienced physical effects from encounters with the objects and examined them for any physiological changes" meant that Bigelow's team were studying military pilots who got in close proximity with UFOs – or even commercial pilots too, given the FAA's referral to Bigelow's number on their website!

Then I remembered the 'Carpenter affair' discussed earlier, and wondered if perhaps BAASS had also tried to investigate the abductees in MUFON's database.



But after reading the statement from their anonymous 'former senior member', I was reminded of this 2012 episode of The Paracast, in which Gene Steinberg and his co-host Chris O'Brien – who has been involved in the Skinwalker investigation since before it went public – organized a round table with two other Skinwalker researchers: my friend David Weatherly and Ryan Skinner (Skinner, by the way, was one of the investigators featured in that disastrous Joe Rogan Questions Everything episode on alien encounters... although funnily enough his name does not appear on the IMDB credits).

The round table of investigators and Gene were joined in the first half of the show by 'Chip' (a pseudonym), who claimed to have worked sporadically at the Utah ranch from 2009 to 2010 as a security guard – 8 weeks on and off in total, in periods of two weeks at a time. If true, this would make it the first and only time in history when someone who was actually a staff member of BAASS has gone on the record!

What is interesting is that, now that 6 years have passed since that interview, we see that the information now coming out validates most of what Chip disclosed back then:

How their HQ was in Las Vegas, and at first they were flown from there to Utah, but eventually they had to rely on long drives to the ranch because all the contracted security personnel (who ALL had military clearance) were required to carry sidearms – something which didn't make much sense to 'Chip' since his supposed job was to protect the property from trespassers, who largely consisted of UFO enthusiasts and local kids in search of a thrill and a place to drink... unless the weapons were intended to protect the lives of the guards from other threats.
Another reason why Chip didn't think the owners weren't obsessed with security was the fact that, according to him, by the time he worked on the ranch NONE of the cameras in the property were working. They were there just for show; perhaps BAASS had learned from the previous mistakes of NIDS in the futility of attempting surveillance on a phenomenon that doesn't like to be spied on...
The time in which Bigelow's organization had a massive hiring of staff (2009) with 50 to 60 people at their building in Las Vegas at their peak, followed by the layoffs of everyone involved by 2010, when they were told "they had lost their contract" – and according to 'Chip' the ones signing the paychecks were the NSA, something that was truly revelatory in 2012, but not anymore now that we have confirmation of the ties between BAASS and the DIA.
How he heard second-hand that at one point a few high-ranking military officers visited the ranch, and that they experienced something so disturbing – he never learned what – they 'freaked out' and demanded to be escorted out of the property immediately.
But the most important thing Chip disclosed – and the main purpose of this essay – is the complete lack of insight given by his former employer with regards to the background of the location he was supposedly protecting! "You are doing security" is all he and his companions were told, and they were ordered to patrol the perimeter 24/7 accompanied by dogs, which were not even true police K-9 units according to Chip, but just regular household pets. This would make one suspect the dogs were not used as an actual guarding tool, but as 'bio-sensors' intended to pick up anomalies earlier than their human counterparts thanks to their heightened senses. One thing his employers did tell Chip was that in the event of 'seeing' or 'sensing' anything strange, he was to "scan the area and take pictures."
Chip did face a few anomalous things during his stay at the ranch: An unplugged stereo turning on by itself; feeling nauseous all of a sudden during one of his patrols, with the discomfort disappearing just as quickly as it began; he did not feel the 'artificial fear' reported in many paranormal accounts – which some investigators explain as a possible physiological response to infrasound frequencies – but at one point he did experience the hairs on the back of his neck raising for no apparent reason, during which his companion dog would 'roll on its back' in a submissive manner. Some of the photos he took also showed what seemed to be 'glowing orbs'.
And the last important detail shared by Chip in that 2012 interview, was the fact that whenever the personnel saw or felt something strange, they were required to have urine tests and bring the vials back to Vegas by the end of their shift (!). Chip also mentioned 'brain scans' performed on the individuals, although they were never informed of the results of such tests.
This last part of his job convinced Chip that he was there at the Skinwalker ranch more as a 'guinea pig' than as a security guard. "They were testing us," he said to Gene, Chris, David and Ryan on that Paracast episode. He thought that perhaps the military was trying out something new at the remote rural location, and he and his colleagues were used as lab rats without their consent. Indeed, it wouldn't be the first time such unethical experiments have been carried out.

But in light of the new BAASS revelations, perhaps the real reason behind the secrecy and the monitoring of the effects of the personnel's stay at the ranch was because instead of being exposed to an illegal experimental weapon, Chip and the others were used as a 'readout system' for the paranormal activity located inside the Utah property, and thus were told as little as possible in order not to create biased expectations on these men and on how they would react to whatever they might encounter. That would also explain the need keeping the security staff in constant rotation, and performing short-duration tours of just two weeks at a time.

If I'm right – and I will always be the first to admit I'm speculating, apart from the fact all of this comes from an anonymous source – then in the future we might see even more BAASS/AATIP endorsed revelations in the  mainstream media, and more people in high-ranking positions acknowledging the importance of taking UFOs seriously. But, we will probably also continue to have very little in terms of the BIG revelations obtained by Bigelow's research team – so we who are well past being bedazzled by grainy gun camera videos would do well to keep prying deeper and demanding the real 'juicy' stuff to be addressed.

Yes we know UFOs exist and fighter pilots encounter them, dammit! But what about what was uncovered at Skinwalker ranch?? If American taxpayer's dollars were indeed used for conducting research in the Utah property —which was sold by Bigelow's company in April of 2016— then the American people have a right to find out more, or at very least to receive an official response from the DIA.

Conclusion

So here it is: My best effort to connect the dots and lift this exhausting, 90-lb kettlebell of a case, which sometimes has the face of a red-eyed Sasquatch, other times the face of a cigarette-smoking dogman, but most of the time it probably has a shape incomprehensible to the human mind...

If you managed to follow me this far and your brain hasn't totally exploded yet, then congrats and fret not, because sooner or later it will. And when it does, you'll be one step closer to that ghastly realization that steals the sleep of many in this field: that perhaps the reason why the true reality of the UFO phenomenon hasn't been disclosed – and perhaps it never will – is not because unethical deeds have been performed in an attempt to grasp it by those in the shadows, or even the possibility that sometimes the phenomenon is actively hostile to humans; but because bringing to light what the phenomenon might be, and what it truly might represent could seriously threaten to obliterate EVERYTHING we take for granted, including the nature of Reality itself. That my friends, is far scarier than any  jumbo-sized wolf, bullet-proof or not.

Feeling sore yet, bro?



https://www.dailygrail.com/2018/05/were-human-guinea-pigs-at-skinwalker-ranch-part-of-the-secret-pentagon-ufo-program/

[Irene]

Your post just corroborated one of my contact problems. I will often become nauseated for no apparent reason.

Last year I was worked up, down, and sideways to find the source of the nausea. Nothing. Everything was ruled out by X-rays, MRIs, CTs, bloodwork, and examination of my entire digestive tract.

My personal feeling is the nausea is a sign I am near an entity or some kind of anomaly.

As I've said before, I believe we are surrounded by these things, but cannot see them.

[zorgon]

As I've said before, I believe we are surrounded by these things, but cannot see them.

There was am episode of Stargate SG1 where an Alien energy was accidentally release on Earth that allowed people to see these creatures that exist just out of phase with our own dimension.  They are mostly harmless as they cannot interact with us normally.

I am of the opinion that certain portals allow interaction...   I am of the opinion that Bigfoot and Loch Ness critter are examples of a portal opening briefly... long enough for the two dimensions to overlap, but the creatures are actually in their own space/time  and we just see them.  That also explains Bigfoot foot prints that start nowhere and suddenly end  and the lack of physical evidence.

Harry Reid is involved with this group... he has CLEARLY stated that he won't discuss little green men or Roswell flying saucers... because he is convinced we are dealing with Demons

The closing statement about is confirming what I and John have always said  "There will be no disclosure because people can't handle the truth" 

I don't (and didn't) expect anything solid to come of this Skin Walker story because months ago when George first mentioned it on Facebook he said that they never solved the case...  So all they have is the story to sell... with nothing but a vague conclusion that we won't get anything solid

The Tibetan Lamas warn that there exist between this plane of exsistence and the Astral World  beings they casll Imps...  they are not spirits, they are not ghosts, nor are they your ancestors. They are not truly Demons in the Biblical sense but in the end what does it matter?  They are mischievious imps so demons fits as well as anything. When you use a Ouija Board you summon them in... they pretend to be spirits or whatever else you want them to be... Once invited in they are difficult to get rid of.  The Tibetans teach you protection bannishments... so do the Roscicrucians

Many dabble in the 'black arts' not knowing what they are doing... and can get attachments from these nether world creatures.

It is my opinion that these UFO/Alien 'experiencers' are doing exactly that... channeling these imps that will pretend to be Pleiadians or Galactic Federation of Light Envoys or what ever you want to believe. Once contact has been made, your stuck with them  No you don't need an Exorcist though I can bet that this demons and exorcist stuff is simply the way they dealt with these imps in the past  and attached it to their religion.

Muslims have the same deal going with the DJinn  a mischievous race that was banished to another dimension.

When you ask experiencers for proof  they get angry... and they tell you you have to meditate and open your mind to let these entities (aliens) in.  And THAT is my problem....  NO I have spent my life building a shield to these creatures... not about to let them in now...  and how do these experiencers know who or what they are actually making contact with?

Remember Blossum Goodschild a few years back?  She channeled Ashtar Commander of the GFL... He promised her they were landing on a date and she should tell the world. She did... and as expected, the date came and went and no show... she was devastated and destroyed her reputation... Ashtar commander said people weren't ready yet...   left her hung out to dry as it were...  Might have been Loki the Trickster for all we know

I look around at the world today  and I see the mindless stupidity growing exponentially... and I have to ask myself if these channeled and experienced 'alien' are behind it all?

Demons? Trolls? Grays?  Does it matter the name?  Grays sure look like the Trolls and Demons of Medieval Tymes

Angels? Nordics? Elves?  What is in a name ?  We name things based  on our current understanding

Flying Chariots? Flying Shields? Flying Saucers?   Again  it's just a name based on items familiar to us

The interdimensioal portal theory makes the most sense with the observed facts...  to me anyway.

Irene  as for your personal case... have you ever tried any banishment routines? The Tibetans and Rosicrucian state clearly that these imps cannot pester you if you tell them to buzz off and begone...

Years ago my ex wife's friends had ghosts in their apt.  My wife took me up there to show me...  Well since my aura has that banishment already built in... the ghosts vanished before I even entered the room... and never returned  ( a fact that pissed off the couple who had them (They later wound up burning down the apt with a dragon scale ritual)

[zorgon]

A religious view (Catholic)  but seems to be right on the mark, as he used Ouija Boards

IMPS, DEVILS, LITTLE CREATURES OF THE DARK.

Imps, Devils, Demons Infestation of the Home.

Back in the mid 1970's while growing up in Hoffman Estates, IL I lived in a house that was haunted by Ghosts and shadow people. Besides the standard normal hauntings, there was a period of time that I was also terrorized and attacked by little demons. They would peer out of the walls, walk out of, into, or fly out of (as a black mass) closets and dark corners of the house.

Where they came from or why, I still to this day have no idea. Years of Ouija board use? ...maybe.

I became so terrified as a child that I slept with the lights on, slept with my back to the wall each night, and had by me a glow in the dark plastic toy sword my mom got me to help me feel safe at night. I even ended up placing a last rites cross, with candles and Holy Water beside my bed each night. Not sure why I used a last rites cross, probably not the best idea. As a child I had no idea what it was really used for and always felt having the cross on display would be like having Jesus besides me while I slept.

http://christopherfleming.com/imps-devils-little-creatures-of-the-dark/

[zorgon]

The ordinary average person who is not too good and not too bad stays in the astral world for a varying period of time. It is not true that everyone stays there for six hundred, or a thousand, or two thousand years; it depends entirely on the conditions, which prevail in the case of each and every individual. There is an average time, but then there is an average man-in-the-street and an average woman in-the-street, and the average time is just - well, just a figure. (the pleiadian contactteam from Erra said that the average time between two incarnations for people on earth was at present ca. 170 y) There are many tasks to do in the astral world. Some people help those who are coming to join the astral world, some people act as guides to them, and this 'guide' 'has nothing to do with spiritualist seances or old ladies who think they have a Red Indian guide or a Chinese Mandarin guide or a Tibetan Lama guide. What these old ladies usually have is an overdose of imagination. Actually, if everything was counted up and if everyone who claimed to have an Indian guide or a Tibetan guide was listed, there just wouldn't be enough Indians or enough Tibetans to go round, and in any case these people on the, Other Side have their own jobs to do, and those jobs do not include stirring teacups so some old biddy can give a reading, it doesn't include speaking through a tin trumpet or moving a bit of cheesecloth. All that stuff, which of course is utterly useless, comes from a bit of nervous energy on the part of some usually hysterical operator. People on the Other Side have too much to do looking after their own affairs to come to Earth and poke about in dark rooms breathing down the necks of people who are there for a delicious thrill. The only ones who do go to these seances from the Other Side are the Nature Spirits of a lower type called Elementals. They are there just for some fun, to see what a lot of saps these humans are to believe anything and everything that is told to them. Don't you, my dear friends Reader, go in for this guff, because guff it is.

The same goes for this Ouija Board stuff. People will get a Ouija Board and play about with it, and some Elemental who is always dashing about like a mischievous monkey, will see what is being done, and he will definitely influence the reading. Now you might think there is no harm in that, but there is no good in it either, and definitely there is great harm in these Ouija Board readings if an Elemental causes the message to be given to sound highly plausible but which is just something extracted from the victim's own sub-conscious. A person's whole life can be affected for the worse by believing in this Ouija Board messages.

Another great source of misinformation is when the Ouija-Board is moved in accordance with the collective thought of the people who are gathered around. Often it will be impelled by wishful thinking and, again, will give a message which can be positively harmful by being misleading. The safest thing is - have nothing whatever to do with Ouija Boards and nothing whatever to do with seances. Remember, you came to this Earth deliberately not knowing the exact purpose of your visit, and if you try to find out too much without very, very exceptional cause, then you are like the student going to the examination room who manages to steal a copy of the examination papers first. That is just plain cheating, and it doesn't help at all.

T.LOBSANG RAMPA's 11. book:
"Feeding the Flame " part II

[zorgon]

Interesting Post from ATS

elevenaugust
posted on May, 21 2018 @ 04:07 AM link 

The Nimitz story in the former OMF forum
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1207350/pg1

With some of you, I was other there back in 2007, working mainly for my part on the California drones saga.

This "Tic-Tac Nimitz" story vaguely reminded me something that I read at that time on OMF, at the end of 2007 if I recall correctly. Unfortunately, as OMF went down years ago and as it seems that most of the pages are gone, even on the Wayback Machine, I couldn't either confirm or not my impression of déjà-vu.

Anyway, after some extensive research in OMF archives, with the help of Isaackoi and the former OMF admin Brendan Burton, I was able to locate four posts that were written on OMF in December 2010 (and not in 2007, my memory somewhat failed about the exact year) by a member under the name of "theseer" with the following thread title: "USS Nimitz intercepts UFO's in SOCAL, Dec. 2006"

One of these four posts has nothing to do with the Nimitz incident (it was about the Oregon drone):



Here are the captures of the three other posts, related to the Nimitz incident (right click and open in a new tab):

First post:



Second post:



Third post:



"Theseer" profile:



Personal notes

- As you noted it, the year is "2006" and not "2004", likely changed as part of the fictionalization mentioned by "theseer".

- Mention was made by "theseer" of possible further contact between him and OMF admin by "hidden email". In spite of our search about this email address, we weren't able to obtain it.

- "Theseer" mentioned in its first post an attachment that contains the whole detailed story. Unfortunately, here again we weren't able (and in spite of the help of Brendan Burton and some others) to find this lost attachment.

We, with Isaackoi, would be very curious and happy to take a look at this attachment, that's why we're asking for help from the ATS community; maybe one of you kept track of this attachment in some archived files, who knows?


beetee
posted on May, 21 2018 @ 04:24 AM link  

This is very interesting.

However, I cannot help noticing that it differs quite a bit from the current 2004 Nimitz tic-tac narrative.

Especially with regards to the number of incidents and the pilot reactions.

I realize you are mostly looking for documents but maybe you have some thoughts about this?

Also, a former german user from ATS might have something if he can be contacted from the 2008 video leak that happened here. He seems to be the one who helped with both redacting and uploading to a German server what eventually was shared with ATS.

You probably know this, of course.

Cheers,
BT
edit on 21-5-2018 by beetee because: Removed username of mentioned user

IsaacKoi
posted on May, 21 2018 @ 04:56 AM link 

Thanks for posting this summary here Elevenaugust. Hopefully someone has archived the attachments to posts on the old OMF forum, or at least the relevant story.

I'll just add, for ease of reference, the text of the posts by "theseer" in a quotable/searchable format.

POST 1:

USS Nimitz intercepts UFO's in SOCAL, Dec. 2006.
Post by theseer on Dec 27, 2010, 4:39pm

The attached short story is a fictional characterization of true events that took place in December, 2006. During training exercises located off the coast of San Diego, the NIMITZ Strike Group, consisting of six U.S. Navy warships and dozens of aircraft, intercepted and were "engaged" by, UFO's.

I was there. I was the first to notice the strange craft on our SPY-1D radar system. I was the first to confirm the objects "existence" using our CEC system (not an anomaly). I was also the one recommending we intercept the objects to the Air Defense Commander. We did intercept the UFO's. The UFO's reacted by engaging our strike fighter aircraft.

My short story details some of those true events in a fictional way in order to protect those who would prefer remain anonymous or are still serving in uniform.

It is also an attempt by me to explain what, to this day, remains unexplained. And stranger still, how one of the most witnessed and highly documented UFO encounters in history still remains largely unknown.

Quite likely, this is the first you've ever heard of it too. The admin can contact me via my hidden email address if desired.

POST 2:

Re: USS Nimitz intercepts UFO's in SOCAL, Dec. 200
Post by theseer on Dec 30, 2010, 12:45am

Thank you for all the comments on my experience. The essence of my "fictional" story is true.

To this day however, I do not have an explanation for what we intercepted. Hence, the reason for my short story.

The objects all came into our radar coverage in the vicinity of Catalina Island. They traveled in sets of 4-7 objects, all tracking south at 28,000 feet, 100 knots. They maintained relative position to each other as they flew south. They disappeared from our radar coverage off the coast of Mexico (at around 28.91N 118.26W).

The USS NIMITZ Strike Group conducting COMPTUEX and preparing for a morning air defense exercise, or ADEX.

After convincing myself the objects were real using our surveillance systems (and asking my buddies offline on the other ships if they were seeing them too), I alerted the Air Defense Commander (captain of the USS Princeton (CG-59), and recommended we intercept the craft.

Why? Safety of flight. Launching an ADEX in the middle of the objects was a bad idea; at least on paper. What followed that moment left me a changed man. I swear to God we intercepted intelligent objects.

The first intercept was conducted by the Commanding Officer of one our strike fighter squadrons (then 28-year Navy Captain, now an Admiral, air hours counted in the thousands); he cried in abject fright over the air intercept control circuit. I'll never forget his words.

"I'm engaged, I'm engaged!! Oh my god.."

The object spun a loop around his aircraft and suddenly descended from 28,000 feet and splashed in the ocean below. The travel time was about .78 seconds.

The captain followed the object down, saw an object just beneath the surface of the water, then climbed altitude to get a better view.

The object suddenly shot straight back up out of the water. Again, in about .78 seconds it climbed to 28,000 feet and continued on it's merry way south, at 100 knots.

All hell then broke lose. I'm not even sure how many intercepts were conducted as the pilots consummated them on their own (without AIC assistance). We had objects yo-yo-ing into the water and back out again all over the sky.

Later that day I discovered all of our external comms had been erased from our optical recording equipment. The time stamps were there, all comms gone. No explanation suffices for this.

The pilots say too they were "debriefed". All of their videos and comms were taken. Nobody was told to remain silent however. Then again, what Naval officer would want to talk about this?

By the way, I once had physical evidence in the form of an .MPG video emailed to me before the [fill in the black] got to him. The video was his HUD display of the intercept. The video switched between TV camera system and IR. The object makes a multi-G maneuver in the video. Reminds one of the old Star Trek intro; that way it zorches away.

Unfortunately, the video was located on a Secret system and I had to leave it there when I left the service.

I do believe both the video and ship system information recorded during the event still exists though.

POST 3:

Re: USS Nimitz intercepts UFO's in SOCAL, Dec. 200
Post by theseer on Dec 30, 2010, 1:15am

If any other OMies were there too, please feel free to chime in!

The TIC-TAC UFO incident was witnessed by hundreds of Navy personnel. Radar and weapons systems operators; trained observers.


gortex
posted on May, 21 2018 @ 05:31 AM link   
a reply to: elevenaugust
a reply to: IsaacKoi

Thanks for the posts guys , this story just became more interesting.

[bigpappy51]

I told you Bob said they were unable to replicate the tech and we would not be able to for a long time.

The ones we have video of are ones we are able to fly not made by us.

The ones with the child size seats.

If that was what the good guys wanted to get out to the public then yeah it worked.

Who flew the child seated Sport Model ? They didnt understand anything about the craft. Bob states for all purposes it was like magic the way it worked ? So how did they fly it ? How did the radio communication Bob stated he saw the scientists at S4 penetrate the Anti-gravity produced by the craft ?? How did they deactivate the E115 after it was placed in the reactor as well ? Remember there were no switches nothing conventional way of turning off the reactor this is per Bobs own statements.
Thanks BP51 

[A51Watcher]

Who flew the child seated Sport Model ?

US pilots, probably sitting on yellow pages.

They didnt understand anything about the craft. Bob states for all purposes it was like magic the way it worked ? So how did they fly it ?



They understood enough to disassemble one and partially reassemble the parts on a desk in his office. And make them work i.e. the reactor and the gravity amplifiers.


How did the radio communication Bob stated he saw the scientists at S4 penetrate the Anti-gravity produced by the craft ??

Bob is the one who noticed that and is still puzzled by it. He also reported it to Teller as an unsecured risk since the communication was not encrypted.


How did they deactivate the E115 after it was placed in the reactor as well ? Remember there were no switches nothing conventional way of turning off the reactor this is per Bobs own statements.

Since the reactor does not operate at full power at all times there has to be power control of some sort. I would imagine they turn the power knob (or whatever) down to it's lowest setting to remove the E115. Ask Bob for a more detailed answer. His email address is no secret.


Thanks BP51 

[astr0144]

Can you inform or  remind me the concern or Physics of why Radio Com is an issue with Anti Gravity ?

What does A.G do to radio waves ?  I assume block them somehow ! or interference.

It is radio and not sound wave.. so its still an EMF type wave... but on the larger wave length..not penetrative like smaller wavelengths in the EMF spectrum..

How did the radio communication Bob stated he saw the scientists at S4 penetrate the Anti-gravity produced by the craft ??

Bob is the one who noticed that and is still puzzled by it. He also reported it to Teller as an unsecured risk since the communication was not encrypted.

I assume that maybe the power source varies depending what they are doing with the Craft..

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if say just doing short distance or close by hover type testing similar to images that I have seen above...where the Craft seemed to just be taking off and moving up and down a few feet...where the pilot is trying to learn to control it...then  maybe it uses lower power to that of longer faster moves..

or does hovering maybe take more power than perhaps I considered..

like does a Harrier jump jet  or helicopter take more power when just taking off the ground  and hovering... or does it use more power when it starts to move higher and faster.. or longer distances..

is using fuel one thing (in lift / aircraft type fuel)... power thrust another ... but in a UFO if it uses Nuke like fuel..in its reactor.. the effects n fuel / power may not really alter that much proportionally..

Is that Bobs email on his website.. ? or which ever. ..will he answer ? unless he knows you..

if so he never answered me when I tried to ask him something some years ago !   

I assume he gets loads of UFO related emails thru his website each year asking various questions ! ..

How did they deactivate the E115 after it was placed in the reactor as well ? Remember there were no switches nothing conventional way of turning off the reactor this is per Bobs own statements.

Since the reactor does not operate at full power at all times there has to be power control of some sort. I would imagine they turn the power knob (or whatever) down to it's lowest setting to remove the E115. Ask Bob for a more detailed answer. His email address is no secret.

[A51Watcher]

Can you inform or  remind me the concern or Physics of why Radio Com is an issue with Anti Gravity ?

What does A.G do to radio waves ?  I assume block them somehow !

It is radio and not sound wave.. so its still an EMF type wave... but on the larger wave length..not penetrative like smaller wavelengths in the EMF spectrum..

To be specific the question relates to how radio waves penetrate an amplified gravity field, not anti gravity. Repulsive out of phase gravity as specified in his gravity field graphics.

I assume that maybe the power source varies depending what they are doing with the Craft...

if say just doing short distance or hover type testing... maybe it uses lower power to that of longer faster moves..

or does hovering maybe take more power than perhaps I considered..

like does a Harrier jump jet  or helicopter take more power when just taking off the ground  and hovering... or does it use more power when it starts to move higher and faster.. or longer distances..

is using fuel one thing ... power thrust another ...

Right. And as seen in my videos and Bobs, the brightness of the craft varies a lot from time to time as well. Power production would appear to be power consumption related.

Is that Bobs email on his website.. ? or which ever. ..will he answer ? unless he knows you..

if so he never answered me when I tried to ask him something some years ago !   

I assume he gets loads of UFO related emails thru his website each year asking various questions ! ..

His business website has a working email address. Yes he does get loads of UFO related emails to this very day as he relates in a recent interview.

But as George Knapp relates, he is good friends with Bob and he doesn't even answer him half the time.

Bob does answer some people sometimes, I would imagine it depends on the emails tone and level of interest.

[astr0144]

Thanks for the reminder...I think I recall seeing some of that now to some degree..

It would be really good if Bob was willing or able to confirm that such Amplified Gravity Fields (AGF) really are in use...and to try to explain in detail... that maybe we could gain as good as understanding as possible...what ever level we are to each of our abilities to try to understand.

It would have been great if he could have done a video on it at S4 on how AG works to lift a craft or object in a AGF..

Just rethinking the other day on watching a program about the Earth and how it repels Solar winds....about how the earths magnetic field repels...things in space entering our atmosphere.... within Earths atmosphere we have gravity effect...

I still wonder about how the Earths magnetic field V Gravity acts or compares...

I got the impression that th Earths magnetic field is a much stronger force than that of the Earths gravity !

as has been mentioned by Bob about the Gravity A and B   .... Gravity acting down on Earth as we general view it is a relatively weak force..

But I wonder how he would compare that to Earths magnetisms force ?


Do UFOs use the Earths magnetic field in use of A.G ? or do they also have to overcome it ?

I believe its about 62 miles from the Earths surface to get into Space outside our atmosphere.

How far is space?
There are 62 miles or 100 kilometers from earth to outer space of its boundary. Astronauts are able to say that they have reached space after reaching the 50 mile mark. There are 62 miles or 100 kilometers from earth to outer space of its boundary.

what a UFO needs to do if using A.G    I wonder how the Amplified Gravity Field compares if a UFO takes off vertically straight up.. like its going thru a Gravity field like tunnel  like 62 mile long tube   ,say around the diameter of the craft...
so the volume of atmosphere is in that tube like space has to be overcome to lift the craft somehow...

or does the Amp Gravity field ocuur surrounding just the area or volume space around the craft that continues to allow the craft to lift as the craft is propelled higher... so its sort of creating the next area say above the craft to get it to lift up to a next level and so on...while the craft is able to not drop back down...to loose altitude

so its consistantly being created around it and above a set volume space above it to keep it moving up..

Like we know... aircrafts airleons.. or wings when they alter their angle  to be able to fly ... it allow it to lift...further up..by lowering the pressure above the top of the wing... it gets further lift with increase of pressure under the wing and  also with more speed..but thats also using variation of reducing the air pressure on the top part of a wing... and maybe it seems to occur in stages thru out its manouver or alteration of the tilt of the wing and alteration of airflow over it.....

ie lift in ref to speed... in ref to altered air pressure acting on the above and lower wing..

Is a controlled use of an amplifier allowing the alteration of gravity as the craft moves and speeds up..in some sort of similar way...but using other principles...inc maybe Earths magetism..and altertaion of gravity effect..

so is Amplified Gravity field working in relation to the Earths Magnetic Field somehow ?

Is it using  metallic materials of the craft in some sort of magnetic repel to the Earths magnetic field also  ?

In ref to Gravity earths force..

I think we would expect the power or forces that could be created from the Element 115 and the reactor /amplifier to be that of a much stronger powerful nuclear type force... that is a force that should easily power the craft to oppose and move againt gravity forces...if its able to be controlled the right way.. but I m nt sure if the Earths Magnetic field could also be a force that it has to deal with or if it can use it in a way to its advantage in some way..

if so ...Id like to see Bob explain that !

but its the weight or mass of the actual Saucer craft that is the forces that has to lift and be opposed using Antigravity..

I wonder what weight the Saucer craft was ?


It Does not really seem to far distance wise.. to  fly or rise  up 62 miles..and Space Rockets penetrate it using Rocket engines and fuel.. so I am sure a type of nuclear power could also be used.

To be specific the question relates to how radio waves penetrate an amplified gravity field, not anti gravity. Repulsive out of phase gravity as specified in his gravity field graphics.

Yes it would be interesting to try to understand how the E115 reaction to alter  power in relation to the reactor, that alters the power levels of the craft..or variation of how the crafts  functions alter accordingly.

Maybe he has explained this... and I am not at the moment recalling it..to the detail as I should..

Right. And as seen in my videos and Bobs, the brightness of the craft varies a lot from time to time as well. Power production would appear to be power consumption related.

Yes, its good to read he may still answer some questions.... I suspect one has to be able to ask him a question that is of interest to him. and be lucky to catch him in the right mood at the right time..

But as George Knapp relates, he is good friends with Bob and he doesn't even answer him half the time.

Bob does answer some people sometimes, I would imagine it depends on the emails tone and level of interest.

[bigpappy51]

Ok how did he get the half sphere back on the reactor ? Once the E115 in in the reactor anti gravity is its engaged. The antimatter prevents Bob from putting his hands with in 3 to 4 feet of the reactor. I can show a video of this with he and George Knapp in 2015 IUFOC. If he cant get his Hands within 3 feet of the instant reaction of E115 How does he install the half sphere ? Lear could not answer nor could Knapp I would love to know.
Thank I wiull await your answer A51Wacther.
BP51 

[A51Watcher]

Ok how did he get the half sphere back on the reactor ? Once the E115 in in the reactor anti gravity is its engaged. The antimatter prevents Bob from putting his hands with in 3 to 4 feet of the reactor. I can show a video of this with he and George Knapp in 2015 IUFOC. If he cant get his Hands within 3 feet of the instant reaction of E115 How does he install the half sphere ? Lear could not answer nor could Knapp I would love to know.
Thank I wiull await your answer A51Wacther.
BP51 

rather than type it out again I will just quote the answer I already gave you above -

Since the reactor does not operate at full power at all times there has to be power control of some sort. I would imagine they turn the power knob (or whatever) down to it's lowest setting to remove the E115. Ask Bob for a more detailed answer. His email address is no secret.

Perhaps hand controls or helmet control.

Or the controls that appear on the wall of the craft? Remember that the walls can become transparent or have symbols appear on them?

Instead of asking John or George, or even me, why don't you ask Bob.

I have seen the craft get extremely bright while hovering, then take off and perform a maneuver. This appeared to be charging a capacitor array or a battery of some sort which stored the energy needed for the upcoming maneuver.

But besides getting bright, they also got very dim at times, indicating that they indeed have some sort of throttle control.

So if you turn the throttle all the way down, you should be able to remove or install the half sphere.

[bigpappy51]

Id love to ask Bob but in every story and I mean story there is a flaw many flaws i can point one after another and another if you like. Sorry the story is ridiculous from a scientific point and his point. Bobs own records and transcripts put him there a max of 7 days which is not enough to learn anything A51Watcher. We see things differently I come from a heavy tech background. Bob maintains he figured out that Los Alamos was could not figure out they were machining E115 ....

Until Bob let them know it was E115 yea ok... I will say this you must never worked in a technical capacity ever piece of material you work on has a data sheet that tells you exactly what the materials are.  Now with that said Bob sated that the guys at LA were to stupid to realize that e=they were machining E115 all coming from a guy with fake degrees... Sorry I dont but it .

Ever worked anywhere that required a clearance ? A materials scientist you dont work on a heavy Element unless you have DATA Sheets on the Elements they are machining. There were 500 Lbs there according to Bob...  and Bob is No physicist I will give Bob 10 grand if he can prove through Facebook he has classmates.
I will wait BP51.

This is not controlled leak more like a CON !!!!!