How were the Pyramids of Egypt really built

[zorgon]

What if the pyramids were built by thousands of slaves and or Egyptians over years to provide a burial chamber for the pharaoh, using nothing more than the current techniques of the times?

Well we already know that no Pharaoh was buried in the Pyramid...

And the problem with slaves and time is that for the Pyramid to have been built in the time they claim it was, it would have required quarrying, shaping, transporting and setting in place ONE stone block every 2 MINUTES 24 hours a day 7 days a week to get it built in the 21 (?) years that it is aloted

[zorgon]

Until someone discovers the how to guide of how they did it, no answer is correct.

Well that is one problem  LOL  No one thought to make such a guide... despite the fact that Egyptians recorded everything else meticulously

So I suppose we can just give up and ignore all the other sources of info other than main stream archaeology and just stop worrying about it.

BTW Occam's Razor is dull from over use

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Well that is one problem  LOL  No one thought to make such a guide... despite the fact that Egyptians recorded everything else meticulously

So I suppose we can just give up and ignore all the other sources of info other than main stream archaeology and just stop worrying about it.

BTW Occam's Razor is dull from over use

Your welcome! I knew you'd answer in such a distinct, efficent manner, making all the necessary statements to clarify the topic. I certainly stand corrected. 

[ArMaP]

The main thing here is that the Great Pyramids are effectively the first pyramids.

Do you have any evidence of that? I even accept Wikipedia articles. 

The Egyptians recorded EVERYTHING they did in daily life in pictographs... yet there is not ONE depiction of how they built them.

Does that include the other pyramids you say were copies? If they were copies and were built by them why didn't they record how it was done?

History as we know it is wrong...

And you know the real history? I didn't know you were that old. 

[hoss58]

No, something that, 4000 years later, could show without any doubt that it was made by an advanced civilization with technology that could counter gravity.

But Armap...that IS what it does[grin]

[ArMaP]

But Armap...that IS what it does[grin]

If it showed it without a doubt we wouldn't be discussing it.

[zorgon]

And you know the real history? I didn't know you were that old. 

Then my friend you haven't been paying attention

I have several times stated I was THERE when the priests levitated the blocks into place using a special wand that I clearly remembered  And in the ISIS thread WAY BACK at ATS I mentioned this and we found that staff in an obscure hieroglyph..

So yes I AM that old.  This is my 8th incarnation on Earth... two of which I have clear memories of. I KNOW that I have nothing to prove this to you... but frankly it doesn't matter to me... When the time comes YOU will know...  perhaps we will even meet again in the next one...

[zorgon]

If it showed it without a doubt we wouldn't be discussing it.

This much I will grant you

Statements like ""without a doubt"  or "this is the absolute truth" do not work... because even it they were true, there will always be someone that has a doubt, justified or not

However most of such doubts are created by personal beliefs and prejudices... and worst of all personal opinion.

So let's take an example:

NASA says: "The earth is a globe without any doubt"

Well most sane people accept this FACT as the "absolute truth"  This FACT can even be easily tested by anyone using a protractor and a stick the same way the Greeks figured it out in 250 BC

But along comes a person who has decided that the Earth HAS to be flat.  This person convinces many others that "NASA is lying, the photos are FAKE, the earth is flat"

So now you have several thousand people THINKING the earth is flat and they have created false doubt in others

The FACT remains however that the Earth IS a globe... WITHOUT a DOUBT 

Person opinion and beliefs do NOT make it TRUTH   Unfortunately the internet has allowed everyone to thump their chest like a Gorilla and declared their opinion or belief as "Absolute Truth"

So we are here discussing it to try to convince the believers to do the research THEMSELVES and get to the truth  

That is a futile effort though, because the Chest Thumpers have already decided they KNOW  so they won't listen, nor take the time to test something that could prove them wrong and make them have to eat Humble Pie

[ArMaP]

So now you have several thousand people THINKING the earth is flat and they have created false doubt in others

I disagree with the use of the word "THINKING", as they are only following what other people say, no thinking involved.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I disagree with the use of the word "THINKING", as they are only following what other people say, no thinking involved.

But if they 'think' they are 'thinking', then by all that's holy, they are 'thinking'? No?

[zorgon]

I disagree with the use of the word "THINKING", as they are only following what other people say, no thinking involved.

Well the Hu-mon species is a herd animal  Always has been which is why the Church maintians their flock  and "The Lord is THY shepherd"   If all Hu-mons (Ferengi accent here) would actually THINK  we would be in real trouble on this planet


In other news
:

Government Reveals Truth about Aliens...


WOW  we finally know where ArMaP is from   

[ArMaP]

But if they 'think' they are 'thinking', then by all that's holy, they are 'thinking'? No?

True, but they are thinking they are thinking, they are not thinking about reasons to accept or deny the other person's opinion.

[astr0144]

Thanks for your feedback ArMaP...

Need to catch up on what you have said and the rest of the thread, maybe do some further thinking on your comments !  to be able to respond ...

At times I think I am in the wrong place at the wrong time.. Maybe rather than the right place  at the right time.
That is in ref to the sort of topic that we have been discussing..

I say this as several years ago I worked with someone who was very knowledgable technically and intellectually  about the material we referred to.. but back then, I was not really too well up or keen on such a topic to go into more depth or to learn about it in more detail... and in one way I now am rather disappointed that I did not mor advantage of the opportunity that i had to learn more about the topic material from him.

But I recalled some of it... and upon getting older and maybe a bit wiser towards it as well as wondering about could there be some research references to some of the things and what we discussed in this thread..

It would have been nice now to have been able to have had more indepth discussions with him about some of the things we maybe trying to figure out..

I dont think he was quite in the league of a Scientist... but he was an Mechanical Pump Engineer and Pumps do have a lot to do with understanding fluids.. as does many other related topics.... whether it be objects within liquids  or air...

or Aircraft and how they operate in the Air medium... as we may envision UFOs would also do to some extent..

But Parts of it I found rather difficult to understand back then, and still do so now...
But I had not put in ny real sort of study in the subjects since..

As often we all have regrets at set times.. and wish this or that when we feel we may want to refer to what ever topic  when we need it..

He did at one time... attempt me to try to think in set way.. maybe thats why I tried to recall some of the process..
BUT I dont think either maybe I was able to really do that... or I had a mental block to it.. or may not had been really suited to thinking mentally at that level..

but at one stage.. I recall what seemed like a switch come on in my brain... and for a few months.. my mental abilities seemed to change as he had pushed me to do certain things that normally I could or would not have been able to consider... but it was like a wake up call..

the problem was .. life happened , changes occurred and it did not take long to end up back as I used to be..

It maybe like a weight lifter.. they  keeps at the training... they get stronger... but once you stop.. you can soon loose it..

The things that I find difficult with certain mental processes.. is at times its hard to keep up..

I also wonder about are other things effecting our abilities to be able to think...and just by how much..
be it things like we question about conspiracy theories behind food and water and drug / vaccine issues..
or past familiy history effects..which maybe seen as in our genetics...

But I always question.. actually biological make up in our brain... does bigger more brain matter make such differences in whatwe are mentally capable off.. and was that to do a lot with our diet in growing up.. or how much milk we got as babies ...that may also be how much milk from our Mother breasts ?  I wonder if Mother Milk babies have such effects ! Verses Cows Milk....as another eg..


So many questions

Keep thinking, even if it looks that it leads to nothing new.
Just the fact that we are free to think what we want is good enough for me.

PS: in theory, buoyancy can happen in any fluid or fluid-like medium, so I suppose it can happen in the solar system, if we consider that we have the Sun's gravity acting on everything and that everything is immersed in the so called "solar wind", that on itself also represents a force pushing away from the Sun, so I think it would be possible to make a "solar balloon" that would move closer or away from the Sun if we adjusted its "solar buoyancy". Moving sideways would be a different matter.

PPS: I hope I haven't made things more confusing.

[thorfourwinds]

I doubt that even ArMaP (unless he's Eric Dubay in drag, lol) can prove your 'theory'.

The FACT remains however that the Earth IS a globe... WITHOUT a DOUBT 

As they say, "show me the curve". 

NO OFFENSE INTENDED, as it is a joke, ArMaP.

[ArMaP]

He did at one time... attempt me to try to think in set way.. maybe thats why I tried to recall some of the process..
BUT I dont think either maybe I was able to really do that... or I had a mental block to it.. or may not had been really suited to thinking mentally at that level..

I think the problem was that he tried to make you think in a specific way, and, to me, that's the wrong way. People have different ways of thinking, so when we want someone to think about something we should not force our way of thinking into that person, we should help the person find their own way of thinking. When the person finds their own way then they can think about whatever we wanted them to think about, and they can even have thoughts we never had, as their way of thinking may be better adapted to the subject, they just didn't know how to think about it.

but at one stage.. I recall what seemed like a switch come on in my brain... and for a few months.. my mental abilities seemed to change as he had pushed me to do certain things that normally I could or would not have been able to consider... but it was like a wake up call..

That's what I was saying, that means that you understood how to think, not how he wanted you to think, so you were able to use your brain in a way that you didn't know you could.

the problem was .. life happened , changes occurred and it did not take long to end up back as I used to be..

It maybe like a weight lifter.. they  keeps at the training... they get stronger... but once you stop.. you can soon loose it..

Yes, that happens with everything in our bodies, when we do not use something the resources are used somewhere else. In case of memories, for example, they are still there (unless there was some brain damage), they are just moved out of the way of what we, at the time, consider more important memories.

I also wonder about are other things effecting our abilities to be able to think...and just by how much..
be it things like we question about conspiracy theories behind food and water and drug / vaccine issues..
or past familiy history effects..which maybe seen as in our genetics...

That's hard to know. Lack of food in children does affect the brain's development. The brain, to work, needs mostly two things: oxygen and sugar, so if any one of those is impaired the brain cannot work at full capability, but, once more, it depends mostly on how we think, not how hard we think.

But I always question.. actually biological make up in our brain... does bigger more brain matter make such differences in whatwe are mentally capable off.. and was that to do a lot with our diet in growing up.. or how much milk we got as babies ...that may also be how much milk from our Mother breasts ?  I wonder if Mother Milk babies have such effects ! Verses Cows Milk....as another eg..

I don't know, and I think nobody really knows yet.

So many questions

That's always a good start, people that think they have the answers are the ones that learn nothing.