Yahoo email issues and concern

[astr0144]

Yahoo email issues and concerns.

Yahoo has today stopped me logging in to my email account unless I accpet their new conditions in ref to data privacy etc..and accept their cookies. which in the past I always try to decline to accept cookies.

Is doing this breaking our privacy with them...rather than the other way around ?

I thought they were supposed to be doing the opposite and preventing us being monitored or having to be sent ads..
or being spyed on...so they can then find things to send us..

I am not very happy in having to accept this in order to obtain use of my email account or alternatively loosing all my past emails and contacts..

I dont recalll getting a count down warning of this or at least a prior message this week to remind or warn me.

have I missed something ?

this is the message that the put up when you try to log in

has anyone got any suggestions on how I maybe able to get around this ?

seems they have become  connected with this Oath company..

https://www.oath.com/en-gb/my-data/#meetoath

I dont want any of these monitoring my details or sending me ads for any products !

Was there some deadline for May 23rd  in ref to data protection issues on companies like yahoo / FB ?

If not it seems as if they have just brought this in and if you dont accept you will loose your email use, contacts and email history..

They should att least allow us to obtain our contact list details without having to accept their conditions..


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[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Just a side note....all apps on my phone have started referencing a new terms and condition acceptance agreement. You have to accept to proceed.

[astr0144]

Seems that there is a deadline Sgt ..of MAy 25th 2018.

I was partly aware of things being talked about GDPR since the Facebook issues, but not of a deadline for it.

Maybe many of the members here was already expecting it and its not seen as a concern, in the same way as it is to me.. as I feel that yahoo have more or less just brought it in without warning me before hand...

I still do not believe anything that they may tell us... I am sure they will still monitor and use our data..and probably still sell it...

GDPR gets a deadline: 25 May 2018

http://www.itpro.co.uk/data-protection/26476/gdpr-gets-a-deadline-25-may-2018

EU data protection rules will be enforced in two years' time
The EU's General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) rules will become law from 25 May 2018, following the publication of the document's final draft.

Companies now have 24 months to implement the guidelines outlined in the document, including who is accountable for security and how data flows between EU countries and those outside the zone.

It is also asking companies to set up a breach notification process, so if data is stolen, the details will be provided to authorities in a timely manner so the consequences can be examined and relevant parties notified quickly.

The EU aims to enforce GDPR, so is giving businesses two years to change their practices.

Those developments require a strong and more coherent data protection framework in the union, backed by strong enforcement, given the importance of creating the trust that will allow the digital economy to develop across the internal market.

To help companies become compliant in time for GDPR's roll-out, law firm Hogan Lovells has released a guide titled Future Proofing Privacy, authored by 24 of the company's employees from 10 offices around the region, giving tips to businesses who are currently compliant.

"At stake are not only the consequences of non-compliance, but also the ability to take advantage of new technologies, data analytics and the immense value of personal information," the guide said.

"From determining when European law applies to devising a workable cooperation strategy with national regulators, there are many intricate novelties to understand and address."

The GDPR guidelines were agreed by members of the EU back in January, but it has taken three months to publish them and circulate them publicly.

http://www.itpro.co.uk/data-protection/26476/gdpr-gets-a-deadline-25-may-2018


https://www.newworldit.co.uk/security/general-data-protection-regulation-deadline-25th-may-2018/

Just a side note....all apps on my phone have started referencing a new terms and condition acceptance agreement. You have to accept to proceed.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I play a lot of games on my phone to pass the time and most prompted me to accept their T&C.

[ArMaP]

Yes, it's related to the EU's GDPR, that becomes active on May 25.

According to that new regulation, any entity that collects or processes personal data must tell people what data they collect and process, why they do it, if they share it with other entities and if they send it to a different country. They also need to tell their users that they have the right to know what data was collected, the right to update the data, to limit the processing of the data and to ask for the whole removal of personal data.

It also says that companies that do not follow the regulation may "be subject to administrative fines up to 20 000 000 EUR, or in the case of an undertaking, up to 4 % of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher".

PS: looking at my Yahoo inbox it shows that the first email I got about was sent on April 18.
PPS: next to the "I agree" button was a "I'll do it latter" button. I clicked that one.

[astr0144]

I appreciate your research and comments into this ArMaP.

I know recall having some messages from yahoo probably the same as what you referred to... where I was able to select an alternative to do it later..But I was not really sure what it was to do with .. I just thought that they wanted me to use a newer version of yahoo which they have tried to persuade me on a few occasions before.

BUT the message I recieved today is totally different.

I have not clicked anything as yet... so I dont know what will happen.

I assumed that once I click it.. you have then given them permission.

It may however still an alternative..however I am doubtful

BUT I wonder if this will only be to May 25th..

May you  were still able to click an alternative if you have not used yahoo since April... and next time you try to log in you may get the same message that I got... or maybe  your country could differ for a different deadline.

I have a lot to loose if I do not accept if its my only option....as I really need some of my yahoo accounts..

whats annoyed me is maybe they have brought in too early without a good detailed prior warning as to what would happen...with a few days before the deadline..to ensure we took note..

Ideally I may wait to see if someone else has had the same message to me and see if they maybe able to inform others..who may write about it on some other type of forums...

If I chance clicking .... I suspect that its unlkely I will be given another possible alternative at this stage..

In the end I may have not choice other than to accept.. if I dont want to loose the accounts..

Also at the Moment I cannot even access yahoo.coms webpage..to use their search engines.....as when I click on it.. it just goes to the webpage that is asking me to click to accept...

(This is the same as what google did.... and I have never as yet even accepted google...so I cannot make use of their search engine either..

Ill have to try bing or MSN..

Mail .com at the moment seems ok to use that I recently signed upto.. but that may alter alter from May 25th.)

that may be down to the cookies when I 1st clicked on it earlier today..

I wonder if anyone else can visit yahoos website .. even if they have no account with them

Yes, it's related to the EU's GDPR, that becomes active on May 25.

According to that new regulation, any entity that collects or processes personal data must tell people what data they collect and process, why they do it, if they share it with other entities and if they send it to a different country. They also need to tell their users that they have the right to know what data was collected, the right to update the data, to limit the processing of the data and to ask for the whole removal of personal data.

It also says that companies that do not follow the regulation may "be subject to administrative fines up to 20 000 000 EUR, or in the case of an undertaking, up to 4 % of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher".

PS: looking at my Yahoo inbox it shows that the first email I got about was sent on April 18.
PPS: next to the "I agree" button was a "I'll do it latter" button. I clicked that one.

[Norval]

When I get cookies my browser is set to DELETE THEM ALL when I close it out.

Hope that helps

[astr0144]

That may be a alternative option Norval... or at least allow a way to stop them spying..

but I am not really sure wht may happen in terms of other aspeects, once you accept

I also have added some further comments on my prior reply..that at the moment I am unable to even visit yahoo . coms website.. as all that happens is I am taken back to the accept webpage..

Maybe all such similar websites are having to do this by this week...

has this included facebook ?


On another website that I use just to inform me about Television programmes...They show this message on their website... but I think I have an option to decline ... and on doing so I think I can stil access their website..
its just that the messge will appear until I clci one option to decline  or the other to acccept..

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When I get cookies my browser is set to DELETE THEM ALL when I close it out.

Hope that helps

[ArMaP]

I appreciate your research and comments into this ArMaP.

I had to read the 88 page regulation to know how it affected the company where I work and a sister company. Yesterday I added a Privacy Policy to one of our sites and these last few weeks I had to review the sites we made (for us and other companies) to see if their use of cookies was in accordance with the GDPR.

I assumed that once I click it.. you have then given them permission.

From what I read on Yahoo's site that declaration does not cover all the possibilities of the GDPR (there's a lot of confusion about it still, even in big companies with dozens of lawyers), but the GDPR says that any person must be able to remove their consent as easily as he/she gave it.

May you  were still able to click an alternative if you have not used yahoo since April... and next time you try to log in you may get the same message that I got... or maybe  your country could differ for a different deadline.

No, the deadline is May 25 for the whole world, as this new regulation applies to any company that interacts with EU citizens.

I have a lot to loose if I do not accept if its my only option....as I really need some of my yahoo accounts..

Imagine you didn't have to accept: they would be able to do whatever they wanted with your data, regardless of you knowing about it or not, so why don't you accept, since you want to keep on using their service?

Also at the Moment I cannot even access yahoo.coms webpage..to use their search engines.....as when I click on it.. it just goes to the webpage that is asking me to click to accept...

That's strange, try to clear the cookies and the cache to see what happens.

[ArMaP]

On another website that I use just to inform me about Television programmes...They show this message on their website... but I think I have an option to decline ... and on doing so I think I can stil access their website..
its just that the messge will appear until I clci one option to decline  or the other to acccept..

That's a slightly different thing. Until now any of those "by continuing to use our site it means you accept our cookies" messages would be enough, now cookies that are not necessary for the functioning of the site must be explicitly accepted (or not). That's why they say that if you do not accept their cookies you will still see adverts but they will not be targeted specifically to you, as the lack of cookies support prevents them from having more information about you.

[zorgon]

have I missed something ?

Yes you have...

get a non yahoo email account   I use earthlink 

No issues  I also have oodles of Pegasus emails available

[astr0144]

Reply to ArMaP and Zorgon.

That must have been quite a ordeal and a bit of a headache for you ArMaP..

and quite a responsibilty if doing that for your company !   But its interesting that you have done it and also can offer some guidance to others if you are willing to offer your thoughts on it..

I believe many experts / lawyers etc are still  not even fully clear on it as yet from what I seen or read somewhere.

I had to read the 88 page regulation to know how it affected the company where I work and a sister company. Yesterday I added a Privacy Policy to one of our sites and these last few weeks I had to review the sites we made (for us and other companies) to see if their use of cookies was in accordance with the GDPR.

Appreciate your comment on this... I dont know if your meaning that you think yahoo have not gone about this correctly..where maybe I should be able to see more info on the webpage that they referred to in ref to the info about me having to seem to have no other info or option , other than to accept..

From what I read on Yahoo's site that declaration does not cover all the possibilities of the GDPR (there's a lot of confusion about it still, even in big companies with dozens of lawyers), but the GDPR says that any person must be able to remove their consent as easily as he/she gave it.

If there is no alternative... then unless I want to loose all my yahoo accounts (which contain vital and seem very important information to me).... then I may have to accept..

BUT as its early days.... I am trying to see if anything may occur to challenge them... if they have made some error or obtain numerous complaints..

There is quite a lot on TV programs discussing it today ...but they have not really gone into much detail about certain or similar situations to what I am experiencing with yahoo at the moment..

Imagine you didn't have to accept: they would be able to do whatever they wanted with your data, regardless of you knowing about it or not, so why don't you accept, since you want to keep on using their service?

I just checked for cookies ..but I am not sure which ones to clear or delete..

I am also not sure if one trying to select a specific  ones (if I can determine which ones and find them)

On chrome cookies for eg.. you can delete all or select a specific one..
BUT upon selecting one... there seems no seperate option to delete that one... theres seems only a button  above that says REMOVE ALL .... or one at the bottom saying Finished. on the settings section.

so if I try to select a specific one...to highlight it... It will not offer a option to just delete it...
It maybe if I click REMOVE ALL button... that may remove the one selected..

But I cannot select all like copying the cookie urls listed.. where or maybe say I wanted to seect 3 or 5 togther rather than just one..

AsI have never done this before and I have one who can advise me who may have done it.. I am wary of risking clicking on Remove all in case it deletes all my cookies...which I dont want to loose..

IF I post a link the URL that I think is for the cookie that I am looking to delete... that I now have ,when I try to visit yahoo . coms website... if you then click on it...

it may stop you being able to visit yahoo's website !

for some reason when i look thru my cookie list.... it does not show one with the url that now has taken over my yahoo url..

which now starts with this :     guce.oath . com   collectConsent?sessionId=3

It maybe if I delete the yahoo cookie.... that may reset things...

but at the moment I cannot find a cookie that I think relates to my problem url..

it may also be some sort of redirect...url..

what is a bit weird is I found this link using Bing to search for info on yahoo..

and I can read this url... but when I try and click on the other yahoo options listed at the top of the page ..such as news,  finance etc ..it still takes me to the problem guce oath  website page .

So I wonder why I able to open this policies website page..

https://policies.yahoo.com/ie/en/yahoo/privacy/euoathnoticefaq/



Google Chrome
How to delete cookies in Chrome

Step 5: Under 'Cookies', you will see 'All cookies and site data', click on this.  Please note that you can block cookies altogether from being set on your browser by clicking 'Block sites from setting any data.' Unfortunately, many websites you browse will stop working if you do this. It is better if you just periodically clear your cookies manually instead of preventing them from being set by your browser.

Step 6: You will see a full listing of all your cookies. You can click REMOVE ALL to clear all your cookies or you can pick a particular website and clear your cookies from that site.

http://www.allaboutcookies.org/manage-cookies/clear-cookies-installed.html

That's strange, try to clear the cookies and the cache to see what happens.

I recall some comments "Z " you have made in ref to Facebook... But I dont recall if there was a thread on a main discussion about GDPR in ref to other websites / email accounts like yahoo or google for eg.. etc at least until yesterday.

I did click on some thread yesterday and came across a discussion about GDPR that I think ArMaP had made comments about what he said in this thread... but I have now lost which thread it was..

I thought that it was maybe this one.. but on a quick browse thry the later pages I cannot seem to find what I thought that I read yesterday..

Re: "they know what you are doing"

So "Z" ... are you saying that you can supply email addresses to your members ?
can you supply details ?

So do you see the new data laws as still a threat to us in terms of how they may use our data ?

and have you stopped using  certain such related google , yahoo FB, etc  groups, forums, emails etc now..or changed more how you are willing to use them ?

Yes you have...

get a non yahoo email account   I use earthlink 

No issues  I also have oodles of Pegasus emails available

[ArMaP]

That must have been quite a ordeal and a bit of a headache for you ArMaP..

A little, I'm used to read legislation, the company where I work made and sells an invoicing program that has to follow several rules and laws.

I believe many experts / lawyers etc are still  not even fully clear on it as yet from what I seen or read somewhere.

Yes, it looks like many people have only read parts of the regulation or are trusting what some sites say about it. I always prefer to read the legislation.

Appreciate your comment on this... I dont know if your meaning that you think yahoo have not gone about this correctly..where maybe I should be able to see more info on the webpage that they referred to in ref to the info about me having to seem to have no other info or option , other than to accept..

I think Yahoo is not apply the GDPR correctly, as it gives the user more rights than those they are talking about.

If there is no alternative... then unless I want to loose all my yahoo accounts (which contain vital and seem very important information to me).... then I may have to accept..

It has always been like that, when you sign to any online service they tell you that conditions may change. If you don't like the changes you may leave.

But I cannot select all like copying the cookie urls listed.. where or maybe say I wanted to seect 3 or 5 togther rather than just one..

I'm not familiar with Chrome's cookie management, how do you get there?

[astr0144]

You seem to have a job involving many  skills and education topics ArMaP , maybe even some legal training !

Maybe appropriate to monitoring the type of Forums that you keep check on !

A little, I'm used to read legislation, the company where I work made and sells an invoicing program that has to follow several rules and laws.

Yes, it looks like many people have only read parts of the regulation or are trusting what some sites say about it. I always prefer to read the legislation.

It maybe a question are they doing their clients any more favor (or not) than would be expected from the regulations of pure GDPR..

I think Yahoo is not apply the GDPR correctly, as it gives the user more rights than those they are talking about.

Some details were in one of the links I posted..however if you never use chrome or do not wish to do so... it would be difficult to try to explain if you are unable to see what I maybe trying to explain and refer to..

I think you would need to see a screen shot of what one sees when they open the relevant page needed to delete the cokkies where they are all listed..

and also unless you have previously done it yourself... its probably to hard to make a guess as to what one may have to do just to find one specific and delete one cookie.... without the risk of clicking on something that says Remove ALL which seems the only option to click on... As I say.. when you just select one.. maybe by clicking the "Remove all" button, may just remove the one selected... rather than deleting all that are listed..

unfortunately the link does not show a image...of what I refer to..maybe I maybe able to find one if you are still not sure....

Found this ! 



so when it shows the top cookie selected... you can see a button above that says "Remove all" ..

It maybe when you click it... that it will just remove the one selected... Would you think that is probably the case ?

It probably is .... but I thought that they should have had another button to select for individual selections..

as usually similar things also allow removal of all in one step...or with a confirmation as the step after..

where it shows an X in a red box.... that you think could delete that one selection... I could not see it when I looked at that page !  unless its hidden some way .. maybe I need to recheck...

ON doing so..... I have to apologise... I can see the X when I select or put my mouse on set cookie..

So I assume maybe you can just click the X to delete it...

BUT even so.... I still am not sure what the cookie is that I want to remove....and until I know which one... I will remain in the same situation... other than to accept ..

I have noted that I have aout 10 different yahoo cookies... maybe I should all them to try it.. one at a time..

but as I say.. I cannot find any cookie for the other page that I get taken to when I try to visits yahoos web page..

along the lines of this...

guce.oath . com   collectConsent?sessionId=3


but this is the basis explanation of it.. as shown half way down on this web page.

http://www.allaboutcookies.org/manage-cookies/clear-cookies-installed.html

Google Chrome

How to delete cookies in Chrome

Step 1: At the top right side of your browser toolbar, click on the Chrome icon

Step 2: Click on Settings

Step 3: Scroll to the bottom and click 'Show advanced settings'

Step 4: Under 'Privacy', you will see 'Content Settings', click on this

Step 5: Under 'Cookies', you will see 'All cookies and site data', click on this.  Please note that you can block cookies altogether from being set on your browser by clicking 'Block sites from setting any data.' Unfortunately, many websites you browse will stop working if you do this. It is better if you just periodically clear your cookies manually instead of preventing them from being set by your browser.

Step 6: You will see a full listing of all your cookies. You can click REMOVE ALL to clear all your cookies or you can pick a particular website and clear your cookies from that site.

I'm not familiar with Chrome's cookie management, how do you get there?

Not sure if "Z" noticed my last reply...in ref to his prior reply..

I recall some comments "Z " you have made in ref to Facebook... But I dont recall if there was a thread on a main discussion about GDPR in ref to other websites / email accounts like yahoo or google for eg.. etc at least until yesterday.

I did click on some thread yesterday and came across a discussion about GDPR that I think ArMaP had made comments about what he said in this thread... but I have now lost which thread it was..

I thought that it was maybe this one.. but on a quick browse thry the later pages I cannot seem to find what I thought that I read yesterday..

Re: "they know what you are doing"

So "Z" ... are you saying that you can supply email addresses to your members ?
can you supply details ?

So do you see the new data laws as still a threat to us in terms of how they may use our data ?

and have you stopped using  certain such related google , yahoo FB, etc  groups, forums, emails etc now..or changed more how you are willing to use them ?

have I missed something ?


Yes you have...

get a non yahoo email account   I use earthlink

No issues  I also have oodles of Pegasus emails available

On a related side note....

I wanted to set up another email account using mail .com and did not want to do it from my home location as I suspect that even though you may think setting it up from home  that they dont record your ISP... I think that it maybe trackable..

but with mail .com..  I dont think that if you set up and email account with them... generally you do so using very false info and not have to give any other email or mobile details to do so... at least at present..

so I went to a local supermarket that has wifi and i have used ok before.. and attempted to set up my mail dot com email account..

but on trying to set it up.... I found that I was unable to access many websites.. and they seemed to have blocked the ability for me to access several websites... I am not sure why his maybe.. but I have seen similar at other free  wifi locations..

I then went to another free wifi location and was abe to set up a mail dot com email account..

I tred to set up a few others... BUT I found that if I did not get the right selected info correct including finding a email address not taken.. I ony got two attempts to obtain one.. and after that.... I got locked out by them..

and there was a message saying try again later.... Ive had this before and sometimes its not just later in the same day.. but some days later before you can set one up..

but if you select a email already taken... and try for another.. you have to reenter password details every time..
and after so many attempts to find an un used email.... they lock you out...

but at least if mail dot com reord your location.... its not your home ISP..

and it seems my ISP seems to always suggest that I am in different location to what I am when at home...
in an area over 100 miles away from me..

so its seems my provider may also be using a type of proxy.. or maybe its just where there server is rather than my direct home location..

[ArMaP]

You seem to have a job involving many  skills and education topics ArMaP , maybe even some legal training !

Maybe appropriate to monitoring the type of Forums that you keep check on !

I'm a programmer, whenever I'm tasked with making a program I need to know all I can about that topic. As for legal training I have none, only my usual nitpicking nature.

It maybe a question are they doing their clients any more favor (or not) than would be expected from the regulations of pure GDPR..

They are not giving their clients all the rights they have under the GDPR.

Some details were in one of the links I posted..however if you never use chrome or do not wish to do so... it would be difficult to try to explain if you are unable to see what I maybe trying to explain and refer to..

I do use Chrome, but it's a little confusing when dealing with cookies.

It maybe when you click it... that it will just remove the one selected... Would you think that is probably the case ?

It looks like it removes all cookies for the domain we choose but not individual cookies.

To have access to individual cookies, try this:
- right click anywhere on the page;
- choose the "inspect" option (the last one) on the pop-up menu;
- when the new window appears, click on the "application" tab. You will see, on the left side, a panel with several options, one of them being "Cookies". Expand that option to see all the domains used by the cookies on that page;
- if you click on one domain you will see all the cookies set for that domain on that page;
- by clicking on one cookie you can delete just that one by clicking the "X" button above the cookies list.

I wanted to set up another email account using mail .com and did not want to do it from my home location as I suspect that even though you may think setting it up from home  that they dont record your ISP... I think that it maybe trackable..

Any site you visit has access to your IP address (considered personal data by the GDPR), and from that they can know your ISP.

I tred to set up a few others... BUT I found that if I did not get the right selected info correct including finding a email address not taken.. I ony got two attempts to obtain one.. and after that.... I got locked out by them..

That's probably to avoid bots creating accounts.

and it seems my ISP seems to always suggest that I am in different location to what I am when at home...
in an area over 100 miles away from me..

Geolocation by IP address is more a guess than a certainty. Most of the time, when a site tries to find where I am it says I'm some 300 km from where I really am.