Yahoo email issues and concern

[astr0144]

I am not too sure about following this ArMaP

when you say Right click anywhere on the page...

do you mean on the yahoo directed related problem webpage that I refer to?  or within a relevant  google chrome options page..

on trying both so far ... I can find or select the "Inspect option ' but it then shows parts of the page on the right hand side as sort of html related info..  is that the new window appearing ?  if so I cannot see an application tab..

so maybe it is some other option or maybe your using a different version of google chrome to me

It looks like it removes all cookies for the domain we choose but not individual cookies.

To have access to individual cookies, try this:
- right click anywhere on the page;
- choose the "inspect" option (the last one) on the pop-up menu;
- when the new window appears, click on the "application" tab. You will see, on the left side, a panel with several options, one of them being "Cookies". Expand that option to see all the domains used by the cookies on that page;
- if you click on one domain you will see all the cookies set for that domain on that page;
- by clicking on one cookie you can delete just that one by clicking the "X" button above the cookies list.

That maybe so... but in the case of me setting up the account from a different location from my home..

if they record that ISP location.. it would not be to my home ISP location...

OK they can note my home location if I then visit their site from my home maybe rather than the suggested server location maybe..

BUT can they prove that I would have been the person to had set up that email address.. ?

I dont think they can... ?

so if someone then used that email address for what ever reason... no one one could refer me to being the owner of it if at any time it was used in a concerning way.... or used to send spam... or some bad type message..

Any site you visit has access to your IP address (considered personal data by the GDPR), and from that they can know your ISP.

[ArMaP]

I am not too sure about following this ArMaP

when you say Right click anywhere on the page...

do you mean on the yahoo directed related problem webpage that I refer to?  or within a relevant  google chrome options page..

The Yahoo page.

on trying both so far ... I can find or select the "Inspect option ' but it then shows parts of the page on the right hand side as sort of html related info..  is that the new window appearing ?  if so I cannot see an application tab..

It should look like this:

BUT can they prove that I would have been the person to had set up that email address.. ?

I dont think they can... ?

No, only your ISP can know who was using that IP address at that time. A court order can force the ISP to give that information to the authorities, but Yahoo does not have access to it.

so if someone then used that email address for what ever reason... no one one could refer me to being the owner of it if at any time it was used in a concerning way.... or used to send spam... or some bad type message..

There are some anonymous email services that use proxies (or TOR) to make it almost impossible to find the location of the user.

[astr0144]

Thanks for explaining, confirming the webpage  and posting the image...that helped !

On seeing the image ... I assume now you may have also now been redirected to that page maybe when you now try to log into yahoo ?

or did you just find the exact url to it from the part url  that I posted ?

When I follow what you show in the image... I get a slighly different looking page...

and the application option is not shown as a tab in th way that you view it..

I have to click on a resources option to then find the Cookies option..it then shows a application option also..
but I find the cookie option without going thru application...

under the cookies it then show a ref to the guse oath .com webpage and when I select it (guse oath)... I get a message saying that there is no cookies for that web page !    and it does not seem to refer to anything else..

that does not seem to make any sence as the guse oath description is under the cookies selection... but on clicking that... on the right part of the page a message says "this site has no cookies "

The Yahoo page.

In the case that I used a Supermarkets ISP (NOT my HOME ISP)  I was able to set up a MAIL .com email account..

(Nothing to do with yahoo)    So what I am trying to explain is IF MAIL.com were to record the ISP upon me setting up that email account at that time... it would only monitor the supermarkets ISP and not my home ISP..

thats what I am trying to explain... ( or maybe mail . com do not record ISP info from their email user clients... )
that I am unsure about... but I suspect that they may do !

but yes if I then log in to that email account from my home then they may also detect my home ISP as well..

but can they prove that I am the creator of that account ?  Not if I set it up on the supermarkets ISP.. rather than my own..

if I used that account from my home...to say send spam or something of concern... then yes they could detect my home ISP and request a court order to get that or my  info from my ISP...

No, only your ISP can know who was using that IP address at that time. A court order can force the ISP to give that information to the authorities, but Yahoo does not have access to it.

[ArMaP]

On seeing the image ... I assume now you may have also now been redirected to that page maybe when you now try to log into yahoo ?

or did you just find the exact url to it from the part url  that I posted ?

I deleted all my Yahoo related cookies and when I try to log in I get a different message, with two options "OK" and "manage options", and it says that if I don't accept I wouldn't be able to access their sites and apps.
It looks like deleting all the cookies did a reset to my situation, so now I'm in the same situation as you.

I chose the "manage options" button and after choosing a second option (I don't remember how it was called) I got to a page showing all the companies that may send adverts. I deselect them all, so I should not get targeted adverts.

When I follow what you show in the image... I get a slighly different looking page...

and the application option is not shown as a tab in th way that you view it..

That's strange.

under the cookies it then show a ref to the guse oath .com webpage and when I select it (guse oath)... I get a message saying that there is no cookies for that web page !    and it does not seem to refer to anything else..

that does not seem to make any sence as the guse oath description is under the cookies selection... but on clicking that... on the right part of the page a message says "this site has no cookies "

It's possible that there's a hidden link to that page but the page isn't really creating any cookies.

but yes if I then log in to that email account from my home then they may also detect my home ISP as well..

but can they prove that I am the creator of that account ?  Not if I set it up on the supermarkets ISP.. rather than my own..

If you successfully logged in then you know the password, so they can assume you are the same person that created the account.

if I used that account from my home...to say send spam or something of concern... then yes they could detect my home ISP and request a court order to get that or my  info from my ISP...

Yes. Most people don't need to be afraid of being targeted, as they do nothing that grabs the ISPs' or other companies' attentions, they have more things to do than to try to follow all their users.

[astr0144]

On a quick reply ArMaP  (maybe with little thought at the moment)

I am not sure what to think to your first reply !  and I was not really aware of what you may have done inbetween our messages...   BUT I did not want you to end up in this situation if initially you had not been affected by it as you indicated in the early stage of your comments on this thread..

I also tried to indicate to you ( in an earlier post.) ...maybe not to chance opening the problem link that I posted...for guse oath...incase that then led you to having the same issues as me and that you may not had been able to even view yahoos webpage..

But it seems that you have looked into some of the things we discussed and took action to remove your own yahoo cookies... (Probably to try to help and advise me)  but unfortunately have now ended up in my same situation..

and I suspect that you did not want that to happen at the early stages...or to be forced to accept maybe at this stage...
as I was hoping if we held on... that we may have found some other info online that may have discussed the issues we now  both have..so I am sorry if thats happened if that is the case.

I am also wondering what would have happed to your yahoo account if you would have logged in again AFTER May 25th.. to see if you would have been still able to access your emails normal as before...

Was it your prior cookies preventing you getting to the stage where I was...? or was it as you had not logged in for sometime when you 1st replied and I assume was able to still have logged in to yahoo.. or maybe still been able to view their webpage... as long as maybe you had not logged into your email account... as I only lost my view of their webpage AFTER I had ATTEMPTED to log into yahoo... as thats when th new page showed up after id clicked to log in after it had JUST PRIOR logged me out as I was already initially still logged in on the day it occurred..

so its like all of a sudden at one specific time that day... they decided to log me out.. (which does happen every now and again and has done so on and off over the years)  SO I assumed that all I had to do was relog back in ..

but then after entering my email address.. it then asks for password... so on entering PW.... it then transferred me to the problem new  guse oath web page...


unless of course the issues have not bothered you !

But thanks for informing me what actions that you have taken so far...

I wonder if you had managed to save the cookies urls if you could have replaced them  back and if you could then revisit yahoos webpage as it was before ?  or reset your computer back what ever time since you deleted the cookies..


If it has not bothered you to accept the new yahoo option.... and you think it is possible to opt for them not to monitor you or send other unwanted emails to you (or from their other related contacts)...

then are you now ok to use yahoo as it was before ? ie see their website ok and log in to you email account.. and does it appear to be the same.. or do or have you notice/ed some changes as yet..

I deleted all my Yahoo related cookies and when I try to log in I get a different message, with two options "OK" and "manage options", and it says that if I don't accept I wouldn't be able to access their sites and apps.
It looks like deleting all the cookies did a reset to my situation, so now I'm in the same situation as you.

I chose the "manage options" button and after choosing a second option (I don't remember how it was called) I got to a page showing all the companies that may send adverts. I deselect them all, so I should not get targeted adverts.

I can only suspect that we have a different version...and maybe you have a more updated version of Google Chrome.
or maybe its also because I am using a different operating system to you..ie such as if one is  still using older versions of windows like for eg... Windows XP.

That's strange.

Possibly... I think I am aware that some files can be hidden ones.. but it makes it difficult to find what urls cookies that the hidden ones maybe... unless its possible to tell from say a source code..

It's possible that there's a hidden link to that page but the page isn't really creating any cookies.

Yes ...Thats my mistake in not considering that !... so I suppose the only way around it is not to log in that account from ones home unless they use a proxy server..  I slipped up in my thinking..

but I have noted in the past when I have tried proxys.. that often I have a problem being able to log into my email account that I want to use proxy for..  probably due to an issue with my computer...that runs poorly in somethings..

If you successfully logged in then you know the password, so they can assume you are the same person that created the account.

That maybe the case... but I suppose that even though you can set up and email account using another ISP where even if they monitor that as you sign up....  if then later log in say from home... that may then be monitored..
or if there was some issue from an email that I had sent...and it was from my home... then whoever could track down my ISP.... unless I had used a proxy to protect my home ISP being recorded .

They only be able to track however if you have sent an email from ones home ISP... and not tell if you had just logged in to say check incoming emails...or maybe when you open an email they could monitor that as well..but again if using a proxy... that should prevent them recording ones home ISP..

It can can get rather complex thinking about such things..

but I am sort of checking as I am aware that some marketers have ways of sending emails and knowing if you open them... so I assume some email companies may have and use that same technology if they want to do.

Yes. Most people don't need to be afraid of being targeted, as they do nothing that grabs the ISPs' or other companies' attentions, they have more things to do than to try to follow all their users.

[ArMaP]

unless of course the issues have not bothered you !

They haven't. That's why I didn't have any problem messing with the cookies, I knew something like that could happen.

I don't even remember why I have an Yahoo account.

But thanks for informing me what actions that you have taken so far...

No problem.

I wonder if you had managed to save the cookies urls if you could have replaced them  back and if you could then revisit yahoos webpage as it was before ?  or reset your computer back what ever time since you deleted the cookies..

In theory, if I have saved the cookies (cookies are just small text files, so they can be copied like any other file, when we know where to find them) and restored them after then everything could go back as it was, unless the cookies' content had some kind of unique ID that was replaced by a new one when the new cookies were created.
PS: that's how it works, cookies are stored on the user's machine while something equivalent is stored on the site's server, so they can match the user to the account again just by reading the cookie.

If it has not bothered you to accept the new yahoo option.... and you think it is possible to opt for them not to monitor you or send other unwanted emails to you (or from their other related contacts)...

then are you now ok to use yahoo as it was before ? ie see their website ok and log in to you email account.. and does it appear to be the same.. or do or have you notice/ed some changes as yet..

Yes, I'm OK with it, I don't have problems with sites trying to do know what I do online. In fact, with the GDPR we have the power to tell them to stop, and if they do not then we can complain about their actions.

I can only suspect that we have a different version...and maybe you have a more updated version of Google Chrome.
or maybe its also because I am using a different operating system to you..ie such as if one is  still using older versions of windows like for eg... Windows XP.

Maybe. I use Chrome version 66.0.3359.181 on Windows 10.

but I have noted in the past when I have tried proxys.. that often I have a problem being able to log into my email account that I want to use proxy for..  probably due to an issue with my computer...that runs poorly in somethings..

Most proxies are slow because they are being used by many people at the same time, so free accounts get limitations.

They only be able to track however if you have sent an email from ones home ISP... and not tell if you had just logged in to say check incoming emails...or maybe when you open an email they could monitor that as well..but again if using a proxy... that should prevent them recording ones home ISP..

All sites record accesses, and if you log in to a site then that login may be recorded in their database, so just logging in to check emails is enough for them to have a record of that, and, at least, they record IP address and browser used.

but I am sort of checking as I am aware that some marketers have ways of sending emails and knowing if you open them... so I assume some email companies may have and use that same technology if they want to do.

That works because they use, for example, an image on the email, but the image, instead of being embedded on the email is a link to a site they control. When you open the email and your browser/email program shows the image, what is happening is that you are contacting that site's server, so your access (asking for that image) is recorded.

I have used that method to see if someone on a forum was from where she said she was, I sent her a private message with a transparent GIF stored on my own server just to get her IP address.

[astr0144]

Thats a relief !  that you are ok with it !

I was starting to feel guilty that I led you to the situation... not intentionally thou !

But thanks for explaining and clarifying things so far.

I am not sure yet if I will imediately follow you in accepting things.. as I may await to see if anyone on other forums may comment more on the situation at least for a few more days...

but nothing is said further I will probably have to give in and accept or risking loosing my accounts.

Will add  more comments  if think of more to say or I become aware of further info.


It maybe we are the only two members that have such accounts !  at least you dont have any concerns or much to loose as I do..

They haven't. That's why I didn't have any problem messing with the cookies, I knew something like that could happen.

I don't even remember why I have an Yahoo account.

No problem.

Its good when you know some of such things and how they work... which many may not be aware about...
and can be good if you know how to apply some of it if you need to consider doing so..

Crafty ArMaP ! 

I have used that method to see if someone on a forum was from where she said she was, I sent her a private message with a transparent GIF stored on my own server just to get her IP address.

[zorgon]

Yahoo  is a VIRUS 

[astr0144]

Do you see all similar types forums as being Viruses "Z" inc FB

FB and other forums I believe have now done similar to Yahoo where you have to submit to their GDPR conditions...

On trying to find comments made by yahoo members.. I struggled to find anything where people are complaining..

but this is something that I found that shows some of the concerns and thoughts that  some yahoo members have about GDPR...

Is Yahoo now a part of OATH or is this fraud?

this is one recent comment...

You are absolutely correct.  On top of that, what makes it worse is after you spend hours wading through all the topic links and options, making selections for your settings, THERE IS NO SELECTION to "APPLY" or "SAVE" all those settings.  You can only "GO BACK" repeatedly untill you get to the origional page where you can only "ACCEPT" or "I'LL DO THIS LATER".   However now, I have received an email stating that unless I soon "ACCEPT" I will not be able access my email.

This whole mess was recated when AT&T got in bed with YAHOO, for me at least.  My email has been through AT&T for over 25 years all the way back to the Bell South days.  There is no way I want to change because I have had the same email address.  Now that YAHOO hooked up with Verizon, a major AT&T competitor, AT&T has split away from YAHOO, but unbelievably, their email is still under the control of YAHOO who is now in bed with Verizon and others forming OATH.  WHAT A MESS.

I will  not agree to having all my emails scanned, pop-ups, and targeted ads forced down my throat because of their fishing.

They need to create a TOTAL OPT OUT of this crap.

https://forums.yahoo.net/t5/Other-products/Is-Yahoo-now-a-part-of-OATH-or-is-this-fraud/td-p/496000/page/4

Yahoo  is a VIRUS 

[zorgon]

Do you see all similar types forums as being Viruses "Z" inc FB

No Facebook and Twitter are Mind Control Sites  They use subliminal coding to keep you there.

They are all however a BLIGHT on Humanity. People used to get outside and socialize  now they hide in their caves and get vitamin D deficiency

FB and other forums I believe have now done similar to Yahoo where you have to submit to their GDPR conditions...

Yes they all are requiring you to use your REAL NAME  so they can hold you liable for things you say. They want your driver's license on file so they can find you if they need to send the cops to nab you

On trying to find comments made by yahoo members.. I struggled to find anything where people are complaining..

Mindless sheep don't complain... the ones that see what is happening leave...  That is why posting of FB these days is an effort in futility. I have only a few friends left there worth talking to The flat earther's, chemtrail nuts and UFO experiencers have taken over. Sanity has left the building 

[astr0144]

They may use such subliminal technology "Z"

but the likes of FB offer things like groups similar to what yahoo offers... in which you can use  the groups in a similar way to what you can other forums to some degree in terms of at least communicatng with a group of like minded people of similar interests.

for things like that I really dont think you should need to agree with their GDPR rubbish..

No Facebook and Twitter are Mind Control Sites  They use subliminal coding to keep you there.

They are all however a BLIGHT on Humanity. People used to get outside and socialize  now they hide in their caves and get vitamin D deficiency

I can see that they now want you to agree to there version of GDPR... ie to now clcik an accept button..

and I have read that they wee aiming to want ID or obtain ones real name etc..

but have they brought that in now !

Many people use false name accounts... so are you now saying that they want you to prove who you are ?

or can you still just clcik and accept and still gain access under ones false name ? at least for the time being !

what if one does not have a driving licence ? or I have lost my Birth certificate.... what other things would they require ?

and has all PRC members agreed to giving them such details as yet ! 

or is there some date set for the future to require this ?

Yes they all are requiring you to use your REAL NAME  so they can hold you liable for things you say. They want your driver's license on file so they can find you if they need to send the cops to nab you

In ref to following the likes of John Lear... or John posting to lots of his followers...

or if you have built up many friends, are you now saying that you loose all that unless you now accept there new rules an accept GDPR ? and that you have to then give proof who you are ?

Mindless sheep don't complain... the ones that see what is happening leave...  That is why posting of FB these days is an effort in futility. I have only a few friends left there worth talking to The flat earther's, chemtrail nuts and UFO experiencers have taken over. Sanity has left the building 

[astr0144]

'Bad advice' behind blizzard of GDPR compliance emails, claims top data protection lawyer.

I thought that maybe more would have been said about the GDPR issues either from yahoo or Facebook... maybe to have further questioned it.... but it seems overall very little else has been said to challenge it..

I found this article however thatI think was along sort of views or concerns... that really in many  cases its done a lot of harm or some parts did not need to be applied or done.... as well  or as much as some parts of it maybe positive more good points...

I have not used yahoo or FB since they made these changes.... but as nothing has seemed to have further opposed things.... it seems that we have no other short term choice if we wish to use these services..

                                          ____ ------------------  --------------- ---------- ______
                             
Dr Kuan Hon criticises GDPR consent emails that will only eviscerate marketing databases and 'media misinformation'
'Bad advice' behind blizzard of GDPR compliance emails, claims top data protection lawyer
Kuan Hon presenting on a Computing GDPR web seminar last year

   
Dr Kuan Hon, one of the top data protection lawyers in the UK, has criticised organisations for the wave of GDPR opt-in emails sent over the past few weeks and claimed that they are, in most cases, unnecessary.

Hon blames "bad advice being given by non-data protection experts, not helped by media misinformation about the GDPR, all at levels that seem unprecedented".

She continued: "The proliferation of unnecessary emails asking people to reconfirm their 'consent' to receive future communications: most of those have only resulted in organisations losing large parts of their marketing databases when they didn't need to."

Even reputable publications - such as the Financial Times and Wired - had perpetuated myths about GDPR, she added.

"The most prevalent one is that 'Under the GDPR you can't process personal data without explicit consent'. That is wrong. There needs to be a 'legal basis' to process personal data, but consent is not the only legal basis. And purely personal use, for example, your personal address book, is exempt.

"Another common myth is that 'Anyone can ask for all their personal data to be deleted', but this 'right to be forgotten' only applies in certain situations, it is not an absolute right. Similarly with the right to data portability."

Hon has spoken in the past about how GDPR has been used as a cash cow by some vendors. "My biggest concern is that lots of companies, including SMEs, have forked out a lot of money for the wrong advice that may even harm them - as in the re-consenting case."

Increasingly, added Hon, GDPR and data protection issues will become a feature of mergers and acquisitions. "Due diligence on security and data protection, to detect breaches at the target [company], will be hugely important. Because, as is evident from some well-known breaches, the acquisition price can be greatly affected."

Verizon, for example, negotiated a $350 million discount in the price that it paid for Yahoo's online assets when it finally completed its acquisition last year.

"This applies not just to security issues, but also, for example, databases where the personal data may not have been validly collected by the target for the intended use.

"Also, post acquisition work will be vital - making sure that systems and databases are properly integrated and tested to ensure compliance going forward," said Hon.

Kuan Hon is the author of the legal guide, Data Localization Laws and Policy, available from Amazon and other book retailers





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