Egyptian Zodiac Mystery

[A51Watcher]

Well Irene,

Since this one seems to be about fertility and we have a little guy connected to his penis, your theory seems to be more on track than mine.

Maybe the position of the planet indicates what time is best for fertility.

eta: Position of the Moon instead of Sun since there are no emanating rays.

And there are 12 of those little guys holding eggs.

And the larger guy at the bottom has a line to his penis that continues to the dude hanging from his penis.

[petrus4]

I would question the idea that this image was intended to be of literal space.  I think it was more likely a symbolic illustration of some kind.  That being the case, the two spheres probably do not represent planets, but something else.

I would encourage some research into the writing of R.A. Schwaller, for people who are interested in the Egyptians.  Schwaller demonstrated that the Egyptians thought in an extremely different manner to the way we do, and that said manner is actually very difficult to translate, not least because it requires accepting the existence of things which most of us do not.

For example, people talk about the Egyptians having "beliefs," regarding the Afterlife, but for the Egyptians it was not a matter of what we would call belief, in the sense that "belief," usually implies a degree of doubt.  The Egyptians had absolutely no doubt about their ideas whatsoever.  They took it for granted that the Afterlife was real, to exactly the same extent that we assume that the sun is going to come up tomorrow morning.

Do I blindly idealise the Egyptians?  Probably more than I should, yes; but still not to a complete extent.  The heirophants and Pharoahs were still tyrannical by our standards.  Even though I think the Pharoahs probably did treat their tomb builders well, at 50 feet or more off the ground, in 40+ C degree heat, there are still going to be accidents, and somewhat large numbers of them; and that goes double for gigantic underground tombs like KV5.  Sandstone can be very hard, but it really isn't the most stable rock in the world, because at the end of the day it's just compressed sand.  If you look, you'll notice that the UK's standing stones are generally much better preserved than the Egyptian stuff, and many of those are either of the same age or older.

[space otter]

ok was in the middle of doing some searches and the tv says tornado  near by so i'm done for now

here's how far i got but i don't think it means anything and not a good line of inquiry              later  dudes



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ok so  let just pick it apart

lots of info at the links listed if anyone is into reading about it
this is what we know from A51


Thebes. Bybân el Molouk. Carved and painted bas-reliefs in the fifth and fourth tombs of the kings to the west, bas-reliefs of the fifth tomb to the east. (ANTIQUITES, volume II, plate 84)

so who's tomb was it and what were they trying to say

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El-Tarif
and contains tombs of the late First Intermediate Period, Second Intermediate Period and early Middle Kingdom. Old Kingdommastabas are possibly attributed to local rulers of the Fourth or Fifth Dynasty.[1]Eleventh Dynasty (2040-1991 B.C.E.) tombs of local rulers have also been noted in the form of a series of pyramids dated to 2061-2010 B.C.E, the largest of which are Intef I to Intef III, who were kings of this dynasty.[4]


The Theban dynasty ruled from Thebes, which was the capital of Upper Egypt. Intef I was a local Egyptian ruler at Thebes. He was a member of the 11th Dynasty during the First Intermediate Period. He was the first ruler who adopted the title of Pharaoh. He was an important nomarch and his name finds mention in Thutmose III's chapel. Intef II who was also called a Pharaoh was his brother who ruled for 50 years from 2112 to 2063 B.C.E. This dynasty developed a particular type of burial tombs which were called the saff-tomb or rock-tomb; saff in Arabic means "rows." These were built by the rulers of the New Kingdom and they buried their dead in saff-tombs at the necropolis at El-Tarif.[4][5] All of their tombs are in dilapidated condition, given their age.[6]


so maybe it's this Intef guy and it is showing he produced many sons and they were all gods



this is on the side of the report
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Funerary_stele_of_Intef_II.jpg/220px-Funerary_stele_of_Intef_II.jpg

with a link to here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thebes,_Egypt
The Ancient Egyptians originally knew Thebes as Wo'se or Wase. A was was the scepter of the pharaohs, a long staff with an animal's head and a forked base. From the end of the New Kingdom, Thebes was known in Egyptian as Niwt-'Imn, the "City of Amun". Amun was the chief of the Theban Triad of gods whose other members were Mut and Khonsu. This name of Thebes appears in the Bible as the "Nōʼ ʼĀmôn" (נא אמון) of the Book of Nahum[4] and also as the "No" (נא) mentioned in Ezekiel[5] and Jeremiah.[6][7]

First Intermediate Period[edit]
By 2160 BC, a new line of pharaohs (the Ninth and Tenth Dynasties) consolidated Lower Egypt and northern parts of Upper Egypt from their capital in Herakleopolis Magna. A rival line (the Eleventh Dynasty) based at Thebes ruled the remaining part of Upper Egypt. The Theban rulers were apparently descendants of the prince of Thebes, Intef the Elder. His probable grandson Intef I was the first of the family to claim in life a partial pharaonic titulary, though his power did not extend much further than the general Theban region.



obviously  the 'line' of heirs was important..so a new search looking for this intef line and/or he is saying that he is from one of their three major gods Amun, Mut, Khonsu...all are linked so I'll come back after looking for Intel the elder (also linked) and intel 1



interesting info but not helpful to this question

http://www.ancientegypt.eu/1-intermediate-period/intef1.php

Intef I.
WRITTEN BY FELGR PAVEL ON 25 MARCH 2013.



http://www.thebanmappingproject.com/articles/article_2.2.html



https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-history/ancient-egypt/pictures/egyptian-relief-sculpture-and-paintings/tomb-of-kheti-in-beni-hasan-necropolis



ok how about wall art in the tomb of intef I

and some more  searches


ok back to the gods

[zorgon]

I do find it amusing that when discussing possible Ancients BEFORE the Egyptians... we use main stream archaeology sources

That is similar to using NASA photos to prove NASA is hiding stuff...

Just sayin 

[space otter]

yeah    well you can't use what you don't have    so we're kind stuck

i thought if we could figure out what tomb that was in we might stand a chance to figure out more.. but i was going in circles

sigh

[Irene]

Okay, not feeling too hot, my fat ass has been on the couch for days. Over the past 24 hours I've scoured image searches and looked at hundreds of pics.

The algorithms really blow because I plugged in the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Dynasties as some of the search terms, and what kept popping up?

Blasted Tutankhamen and Akhenaten.

The translation of the French looks good. I know a bit of Latin, so I can sort of fumble through the Romance languages. Not Portuguese though. That's a damn mystery.  Same for Romanian. My ancestors would be ashamed.

Anyway, I will stay on the hunt.

[zorgon]

yeah    well you can't use what you don't have    so we're kind stuck

i thought if we could figure out what tomb that was in we might stand a chance to figure out more.. but i was going in circles
sigh

That has been the problem

If it wasn't for the fact that in today's world there are many people on their own going out to the actual sites and taking pictures we would be really stuck.. Brien Forster; Graham Hancock; Mohamed Ibrahim  and others

There are a couple groups on facebook that all these guys frequent and post all the good stuff.  I just need more time to go through it

I just looked now and Here is an example:  This is one I had never seen before just now. Its on the ceiling at the Dendera temple  so I suppose fits with the Zodiac thread  

Mohamed Ibrahim
June 12 at 8:08pm ·
Question:
Do you think the decoration on the ceiling of Dendera temple was made before they built the ceiling or after ??

[zorgon]

The Khemit School of Ancient Mysticism

This is the main group  Brien Forster, Graham Hancock, Jonny Enoch and Mohamed Ibrahim and many others on the same hunt as us hang out there. I will start bringing more works over here. I have been slack in following that

The Khemit School of Ancient Mysticism
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Khemitology/

Mohamed Ibrahim: Runs Egyptian tours with tghe express focus on looking at all the odd things
Studied Egyptology at Tourism and Hotels Faculty .Hellwan University
Lives in Giza
From Badrashên, Al Jizah, Egypt
https://www.facebook.com/itkapt

Brien Forster:
Hidden Inca Tours
Studied Sciences: biology, chemistry, mathematics and physics at University of Victoria
Lives in Cuzco, Cusco, Peru
https://www.facebook.com/Shipibospirit

Jonny Enoch
Founder at Metaphysical Source
Works at Clinical Hypnotherapy
Lives in Vancouver, British Columbia

Jonny travels the world and has collected a lot of material from Manly Hall and others.  A while back he and Hancock and others were working on a presentation about that odd wheel device found in Egypt  I am waiting the results




Graham Hancock:
https://www.facebook.com/GrahamHancockDotCom?ref=br_rs

[space otter]

ok after continuing my search i have come to the conclusion that the original pic from A51 is not astrological but a story being told about some one's life or life connections

sooooooooooooooooo if we could get more info as to where that image was found we might learn more..
for now..done

so here's where i went if anyone is interested


https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Intef+I

from reading here I don't think it was on a tomb wall..maybe somewhere else
but searching  egyptian astrology depicted in tombs
takes me this way

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/408138784951148832/
More information
One of the oldest astrological artifacts depicting a horoscope is the Egyptian Zodiac of Dendera dated to 50bc, which was discovered on the ceiling of the Temple of Hathor in Dendera of Central Egypt. The Zodiac of Dendera depicts aspects of Nile Valley astronomy, astrology, agriculture and calendar making. It has two circles of figures in its design. The inner circle of figures move counter-clockwise like the stars, showing the astrological signs of the zodiac circling the North Pole

http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/iconic-dendera-zodiac-ancient-egypt-oldest-horoscope-world-007460
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendera_zodiac
Dendera zodiac





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Coordinates: 26°8′30″N 32°40′13″E

The Dendera zodiac as displayed at the LouvreThe sculptured Dendera zodiac (or Denderah zodiac) is a widely known Egyptian bas-relief from the ceiling of the pronaos (or portico) of a chapel dedicated to Osiris in the Hathor temple at Dendera, containing images of Taurus (the bull) and the Libra (the scales). This chapel was begun in the late Ptolemaic period; its pronaos was added by the emperor Tiberius. This led Jean-François Champollion to date the relief correctly to the Greco-Roman period, but most of his contemporaries believed it to be of the New Kingdom. The relief, which John H. Rogers characterised as "the only complete map that we have of an ancient sky",[1] has been conjectured to represent the basis on which later astronomy systems were based.[2] It is now on display at the Musée du Louvre, Paris.