Buzz Aldrin says we didn't go to the moon

[The Seeker]

Does the aft side of the LM  mean that you can see its under section side that would have joined with the legged part of the LM that gets left on the moon when the LM takes off from the Lunar surface of the Moon ?

Yes

[astr0144]

Thks for confirming..

IF anyone continues to research into this in further depth..

Somewhere in this blog link.... it makes what seems quite detailed ref to the certain various fuel systems of the module stages.... and may give more detail somewhere on most of the other stages fuel details etc.. if they are to be believed..

they seem quite convincing and technical.. but its hard to say if they are for real or not in ref to DID it really get to the Moon..and do as it describes..

https://dodlithr.blogspot.com/2014/08/lm-descent-to-moon-part-2-hardware.html


The general basis of the Spacecraft  weight and fuel load as described for the Saturn V in ref to Wikapedia

Saturn V launch vehicles and flights were designated with an AS-500 series number, "AS" indicating "Apollo Saturn" and the "5" indicating Saturn V.[60] The three-stage Saturn V was designed to send a fully fueled CSM and LM to the Moon. It was 33 feet (10.1 m) in diameter and stood 363 feet (110.6 m) tall with its 96,800-pound (43,900 kg) lunar payload. Its capability grew to 103,600 pounds (47,000 kg) for the later advanced lunar landings. The S-IC first stage burned RP-1/LOX for a rated thrust of 7,500,000 pounds-force (33,400 kN), which was upgraded to 7,610,000 pounds-force (33,900 kN). The second and third stages burned liquid hydrogen, and the third stage was a modified version of the S-IVB, with thrust increased to 230,000 pounds-force (1,020 kN) and capability to restart the engine for translunar injection after reaching a parking orbit.[61]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program

Yes

[spacemaverick]

I don't think it's severe, but to me his responses do imply minor senility.  The pace of the speech, and the halting between words at times. 

I should make clear that this in no way diminishes his value as an individual, however.  Age is a tragedy, and it occurs to all of us.  The greatness of some, such as him, magnify said tragic element when it occurs.  I remember a friend telling me that when Bob Kane, the creator of Batman died, despite the fact that it was of natural causes, some still regarded him as a martyr.  Some people contribute sufficiently in their lives, that whenever they go, it can be difficult for the rest of us to understand how we will continue without them.

I believe you might be correct.  He is a great man.

[petrus4]

Gus Grissom (RIP) called the entire NASA program from Mercury to Apollo a dog and pony show for the public and said he and the other astronauts were "spam in a can".

Exactly.  It was an exhibition for people who didn't really know anything about the subject matter involved, and who didn't care, beyond wanting to have a general sense of awe about the government's supposed ability to go into space.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Ok ive avoided putting my 2 cents on this because none of it reLly matters in the end. I'm not discussing whether there were moon landings or not, I'm commenting on what Aldrin said. Here goes:
When he said 'we didn't go" he was speaking to the question of why we hadn't been back in such a long time. He was answering a child btw. In others words we didn't go in such a long time, not that we never went.
It's ridiculous how people are so grasping at any little thing to justify their point of view.

[RUSSO]

In others words we didn't go in such a long time, not that we never went.

And after all the time that has passed... we should have a main stream base in there already.. yes big brother style... and we "dont"... dont you wonder why?

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

And after all the time that has passed... we should have a main stream base in there already.. yes big brother style... and we "dont"... dont you wonder why?

No as it doesn't really matter. There are many stated reasons why we haven't been back. I.e. cost, other priorities. Some stated and some 'hidden'.

[RUSSO]

No as it doesn't really matter. There are many stated reasons why we haven't been back. I.e. cost, other priorities. Some stated and some 'hidden'.

yes it really matter. You talk about cost in a world where cost has only meaning to peasants. priorities? which one are you talking about? oil?

you see.... what takes one to believe in something? a video? a picture? recursive talking? meh.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

yes it really matter. You talk about cost in a world where cost has only meaning to peasants. priorities? which one are you talking about? oil?

you see.... what takes one to believe in something? a video? a picture? recursive talking? meh.

Peasants? Cost is everything to everyone. Whether peasants or Tycoons.
Priorities are what drives the peasant & the Tycoon. They are just different.
But we digress. Back on topic. IMO Aldrin wasn't talking about never having gone at all.

[RUSSO]

Peasants? Cost is everything to everyone. Whether peasants or Tycoons.
Priorities are what drives the peasant & the Tycoon. They are just different.
But we digress. Back on topic. IMO Aldrin wasn't talking about never having gone at all.

BIG DIFFERENCE YES! yes! they are different in their priorities. One want to keep alive hinself other want <more/keep> power. BIG DIFFERENCE> topic or not!

Topic? do you have any doubt human race gonne there??? Why do you think we dont have a main stream CNN television 24 7 in the moon already? how much money you can make with tv like that? Sometimes enought is enougth. People are not that stupid anymore... they just dont want more trouble in their little peasant lives.

[petrus4]

It's ridiculous how people are so grasping at any little thing to justify their point of view.

Agreed.  I've never understood why some people seem to be so desperate to believe/prove this particular conspiracy theory, either.  If it were true, it would destroy the credibility of the space program pretty much completely; which is probably the main reason why I consider it unlikely.  The American government has done some stupid things before, yes; but I don't think they're quite that silly.

[ArMaP]

yes it really matter. You talk about cost in a world where cost has only meaning to peasants. priorities? which one are you talking about? oil?

I agree with Sgt.Rocknroll.

Like everyone else that thinks about they are going to do, governments weight costs against what they can gain with it. In the case of a Moon base, the costs would be huge, even for a rich country, but what would be the gains? What were the gains from the Apollo missions? Many people do not even know about the last two missions.

[petrus4]

I was under the impression that the only real reason why the Moon landing happened at all, was because the American government wanted to look superior to Russia at the time, and thought that would be a very effective way to do it.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I was under the impression that the only real reason why the Moon landing happened at all, was because the American government wanted to look superior to Russia at the time, and thought that would be a very effective way to do it.

Plus the Kennedy speach.

Sometimes Peggy reminds me of this:



Just for giggles now....

[Irene]

Is it possible we went via the Secret Space Program and still filmed it on the moon?