Dreamland

[astr0144]

Upon rewatching the Documentary Dreamland again for the 2nd time this year...
It still interests me each time I do rewatch it... and raise some further thoughts or questions !

I make some points that I am not sure have been discussed before or at least in much detail...that relate to Bobs Story..



In the Dreamland program... Bob Makes ref to when he visited S4..
see from 9 mins 25 seconds..in the video link below..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=887&v=Se5x2D5-m_c

He then says that they drove along to the left side to the main entrance...
(without seeing a specific map like diagram... that's difficult to fully try to visualise) as was this main entrance more visible or was that also disguised ...

He says he went thru some gates and a security check ! and went inside something that was like a typical Govt building..
He says he had what was classed as Majestic Clearance.. in which there was only 22 people who had such a level...to be able to work on the Craft/s !  (which I /we assume are the ET Saucers)

(STANTON FRIEDMAN QUESTIONS WHY WAS THERE ONLY 22 People with such clearence on such an important project...
where he says there are more people involved in a Govt project to create a new mouse trap ! )

Bob later refers again,  a 2nd time that when visiting the installation that normally they would go to the left side of it to the main entrance... but on one occasion...when he arrived by Bus.. they went to the front of the hanger doors and he noticed one of them was open at door 9.. at the end

the video shows an animation of what he claimed to see... in which when he got off the bus and was led into the door nine entrance and into the open hanger area ... or as he looked thru the door... he could see the Saucer.. and later was able to walk into that area and actually touch it...in which he thought it seemed like a metalic material..as it felt cold or cool to him.

He  describes later, when he was allowed to look into the inside of  the Saucer disc...on a lower level he could see the gravity amplfiers .... then he was allowed to look  through a small opening entrance to the higher level floor above...which no doubt is amazingly interesting to listen to what he describes..in terms of how small it appeared and that there was 3 small seats for what he assumed was for small beings !  (I only see 2 seats in the animation that are obvious to me, near some sort of small dome shaped thing..(Was this the reactor ? )... and why would they all be so close up to each other I wonder in the position that they are in...Just How small where these ETs ?

He says that he observed part of the crafts skin or area become transparent in which he thought that he could see outside it like looking thru a glass window..(maybe due to electrical or some sort of EMF technology that may have changed the materials matter structure...This may explain what A51 shows in his videos where we see whats seems like electrical activity taking place when 67 Sander was able to show in his photo / video  analysis techniques) or that he was viewing a type of screen that allowed him to see outside the craft..


It was very interesting to rewatch that Dreamland Video to try and get another opinion on it after having since become more aware of the story over some years...

but for myself and my memory abilities etc on how I may interpret things...
Its hard to have recalled all the past research or recall in real detail..to be able to resite things in a very detailed way ... or in such a way that when watching the video again some years later....to say that I could remember all that Bob had said...

so watching it again reminds me on certain things...BUT also....I am probably learning some new things that I just had not taken in very well... or good enough ....to be able to say that I could recall all that Bob explained in such detail..
Its something that you have to watch over and over again on and off for it to sink in if one wants to try to become more of an expert on the facts of the story... or to try and make other judgements on it..  There is such a lot of things / facts to recall about the whole story..

No doubt certain other questions may come to mind... and one may consider other possible views about it..

ONE Question.. is ref to  UFO sighting that took place at Area 51 in Jan 1990... that shows 2 or 3 UFOs flying around...BUT it does not like its from Area 51 were most sightings took place of the 375 highway...
it looks like it was filmed from Northern Las vegas towards Nellis Air Force base (some miles south of Area 51) as you can see buildings and Street Lights below..

Does anyone know where this maybe taken from at 31 minute 12 seconds mark.. and parts of the video where you get to see similar related footage...   I suspect Zorgin may know if he is familiar with that part of vegas close to the Nellis base...

I think this also relates to it as well...There is other footage of the Saucers similar to what Bob/ John and A51 witnessed...

Has A51 and 67 Saunders looked or analysed any of them in the same detail as their other research..
there was many craft showing flying around at the same time..somewhere in the video..
see 1 hr 16 mins.... seems to have been seen from Las Vegas in 1990..maybe looking toward Nellis
AFB...But why would they risk flying them that close to Vegas if they wanted to keep them secret


Listening to some of the other parts of the Dreamland video... in ref to others who claim to have either worked at Area 51 or who had seen / witnessed Saucers or worked on things to do with them.. was very interesting...


Stanton Friedman makes a ref to having been involved in security of such like bases as Area 51 over 16 years...
Was he ever involved in Security that any of us are aware ? or is he just familiar of security over his years of working in certain related facilities...  when he was claimed to have been a Scientists who worked in Nuclear Physics...


Bill Uhouses comments were very interesting....how he had been on contact with the Jarod Grey ET.. and been involved with it in creating a Human Saucer simulator ! he Says maybe one of the 1st Saucer to go to Area 51 was from the Kingsmans crash (Jarod)that had been originally taken to a New Mexico base..maybe Kirkland ...

Navy Physicists comments ..from  Dr Bruce Maccabee...but I have since read that he may have been someone who misled others to go along with somethings that he claimed that were false..

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZZZF.htm


Who was the mystery lady Radio / radar operator who claimed to witness several Saucers on one occasion , when she was on duty working at the Traffic Control part of the base . (26 mins) who went onto claim that later she was taken to some Area 51 dept and given an injection so she would forget what she had witnessed.... IS that really her who is talking in the program.... IF it is  or was today... I would say she took a real chance and may have given herself away... I say that as although you cannot see her face too well..... you can certainly see her profile very clearly... these days the likes of the CIA  would be able to detect any persons from their profile ... also see 1hr 7 mins also see more below ..


Bob Oechsler who had worked as a Nasa mission specialist in robotics Scientist  also had his own UFO encounter... that I have seen on some program at sometime... when I did not know he had worked for Nasa .... I think thats also a bit strange.... as if I recall he had quite a strange encounter ..or claimed to have had..

He later says that he was chosen by the Pentagon to be involved in Cosmic Journey see 49 min 19 secs..
again maybe seen as rather strange ! that suggest in 1989 that it was a type of public event that toured the country to educate the people about UFOs and Aliens..




Has anyone ever been aware of the Cosmic Journey ?



What do you make of the suggestion that is shown at the 51 min mark .... is that possible genuine footage from a secret underground base that houses Aliens or somethings that are being experimented on by them or us ?

similar to to this



What do you make of what Bob Oschler  shows at  51 min 23 secs ...the Norad tracking facility that seems to be showing UFOs that are flying around the USA shown as ASC... Alternative Space Craft !   or maybe Alien Space Craft !

I have never come across anything like that before...



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/12insiders/Bob_Oeschler.html

Bob Lazars  car reg was MJ12 !   thought that was also rather strange !


In the Video.... It refers to WHY did Bob, risk informing  his family , friends / associates about the Wednesday night test flights ...

Fortunately for us and them...if had not we would never have got to know about his story and the facts behind it..

BUT if it was such a secret project / program...

You would think that they would have warned Bob severely about the secrecy behind it...or did they just trust him and did not think that they would had need to...or  that they suspected he would inform others, if they wanted it leaked out to the public..but it did seems Bobs family and others / himself were severely threatened...and if so... Bob had taken a real chance...to show John , Gene and their wives or others...

It states what secret type of disclousure that they would have had to sign..and the consequences that would happen to them if they were to speak to anyone else about it..

THERE IS ALSO REF TO THE FOLLOWING..

Admiral Bob Inman at 59min 23 secs who was Directors of Naval Intellegence and NSA and connected high up in the the defence Intellegence agency and CIA..

its suggested that he knew more than most about UFOs and what was going on at Area 51... he retired from Govt service in 1982 and later went on to become President of Science Applications International Corporation  (SAIC )... one of its main areas of research was Gravitational Propulsion systems..similar to what Bob Lazar as involved in.. it refers to a project relating to a Electric propulsion Study that is involved in coupling between or of Electro magnetic and gravitational forces that are suggested to relate to space propulsion and Anti gravity !


Science Applications International Corporation   S.A.I.C

http://www.saic.com/services-solutions/simulation-training/simulation-analysis/

Bob Lazar then states gravity distorts time... (I assume both space and time)

Then there is further ref again  at the 1 hr 6 min mark (as prior referred to at the 26 min mark also from prior comments above) to the former aircraft radar operator...at Nellis Airforce base... who says she witnessed 10 to 15 Saucers being flown and tested...

this is a 2nd occasion that I have become aware of numerous UFOs being flown in one session.... more than Bob Lazars 9 UFOs....so just how many saucers may have been at Area 51 at one time one may wonder..

or is she just someone making up the story ? and she left in 1985 .... 4 years before Bob Lazar came on the scene..




What was the Russian Space Craft shown at the 1 hr 21 min mark ? its looks rather strange and its not a Disc... that was from the  Saratov airbase suggested as the Russian Area 51... its suggested that it would become used for Civilian use rather than for the Military  within 10 yrs from when the program showed it !




I also found this website that seems to be of good interest...and covers a lot of related topics..

http://www.americanantigravity.com/space.html

there is also a ref to UFOs and Remote viewing..

http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/beyond/shelley-thomson-on-remote-viewing-ufos-and-aliens.html

[A51Watcher]

The footage you refer to at 31:12 is called the Samstown tape.

I believe it has been shown to be mylar kites.

I had a similar sighting in the early 90's at a concert venue in George, Washington where you can camp out after the concert.

I woke up in the morning and got out of the tent and was stunned to see the exact same sighting as seen in the samstown tape.

I called my friend to come see and after watching them for quite a while it became apparent these were mylar kites.


Stanton Friedman only held a TS clearance, not a Q clearance.

His stance against Bob softened considerably about a year before he retired. I think the discovery of physicists at Los Alamos who vouched for Bob may have had something to do with that.

[astr0144]

Thanks for explaining about Samstown / Mylar Kites that maybe whats shown in the video..

IF its correct...I am disappointed to read that in respect that the documentary used that to be thought of as having been UFOs..so thats one poor part on the behalf of who produced it...

Looking for Samstown in an online search using Bing.. there does not seem any mention of an Samstown Tape... but it does appear to show that there is a hotel in Las Vegas that is called Samstown...

https://www.samstownlv.com/

and its not really that close to Nellis Airbase....  In fact I thought that Nellis Airbase was further North of the Highway 15..
more towards the Mountains at the lower end of ( NTTR) Nevada Test and Training Range ..but it is actually just South of HW 15...


The Documentary  footage does appear to look like 2 or 3 UFOs making weird manouvers...and sort of 90 degree like turns....at quite high speed...in parts.. and at times disappearing...and they also appear as types of lights..

so if it Mylar Kytes that is being shown.... is something on them creating the lights on them...

but I do recall seeing Kytes flying and no doubt , they can look to make some very impressive fast like moves...


In ref to Stanton Friedman.... I was not really aware of his security clearance as such.... as I more think of him as a Nuke Scientists.... but somewhere in the Documentary... I thin he did say that he was familar with with Security over 16 years... in which I initially thought .. is he trying to say that he had spent 16 yrs in say a Miliatary type security position..

I was not really thinking about any type of security clearance that he may have had in that respect..but was wondering what he was referring to... in how he made his statement..

In terms of his comment on Bob and the 22 other Scientists that he made ref to that worked at S4.. maybe thats what you are referring to... and no Bob if he worked at S4... would have had some sort of special security clearance as I thnk you describe..

I can see TS is Top Secret.... .. and the link below relates to Q clearance... but I am not fully sure how they vary.. as some things seem similar... But I assume Q clearance just allows someone who has it to be able to know much more detail and access on special secretive projects...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_clearance

Yes I think Stanton Friedman did mellow more on Bobs story when it was stated that Bob had worked at Los Alomos..

The footage you refer to at 31:12 is called the Samstown tape.

I believe it has been shown to be mylar kites.

I had a similar sighting in the early 90's at a concert venue in George, Washington where you can camp out after the concert.

I woke up in the morning and got out of the tent and was stunned to see the exact same sighting as seen in the samstown tape.

I called my friend to come see and after watching them for quite a while it became apparent these were mylar kites.


Stanton Friedman only held a TS clearance, not a Q clearance.

His stance against Bob softened considerably about a year before he retired. I think the discovery of physicists at Los Alamos who vouched for Bob may have had something to do with that.

In ref to that Female Radar Operator.. who said she worked for Nellis AFB.... when she says she witnessed 10 to 15 Saucers...  I am not sure if she saw them at Nellis AFB or at Area 51 or somewhere else ?

see around the 1 hr 6 min mark...of the Documentary link above in the 1st thread post..

Looking again at the video.. she seems to indicate that she was on a Radar Vehicle van of some sort with some other people who she says that she did not know.... and I think she says that it  was  a few miles North of Nellis on the Nevada Training and test ranges somewhere... but shes does not say exactly where ?...but it was on what seems some sort of night time event..

But she seems to indiates that she was to witness a FLYING DISC TEST FLIGHT ! ... and later when was detected assuming with the other persons and two  Superiors who were inside the van that she refers to...and later she was taken to Area 51....where she was given an injection into her neck that went straight to effect her brain... to make her forget what she witnessed...  BUT that injection seems not to have worked to well if she now recalls it..


If it was at or near to  Nellis AFB.. thats some miles South to S East  of Area 51 or Papoose Lake...

I dont know if I have heard of Saucers being seen at  or near to Nellis AFB before...

I am not fully sure about Nellis AFB... as to where its suggested its located or if it is suggested in being in more than one location.... but when I look on one map it shows it South of Highway 15 North East of Las Vegas...

but I also think people relate it to the (NTTR) Nevada Training and Test Range   or Area 51..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellis_Air_Force_Base


https://www.bing.com/search?q=Nellis+Air+Force+Base&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=nellis+air+force+base&sc=8-21&sk=&cvid=A3AC87A020144B1C927012052DBE3E05