Horizon: Jupiter Revealed

[astr0144]

Horizon: Jupiter Revealed.

Watched this Program on TV last night... that I found very interesting.

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I cannot find a copy on video as yet..

It discussed was there water on the actual planet Jupiter... and also what was underneath the cloud to its core..as as how was it likely to have been created.

Although Jupiter is seen as a Gas Giant...and contains much hydrogen (that is in water H2O) it suggested water was within the clouds maybe like in a ice like  hail stone form..

but they wanted to know what was underneath the cloud base...

They ended up doing an experiment to severely pressurise a small sample of Hydrogen by using a series of lasers... all firing at the sample at the same time from different angles... and this put it under the same pressure that they believe it to be under the cloud base....

and what they suggested was that it  actually changed it into a  metal like substance.. or Hydrogen Metal...Which I have never heard of before..They recken that under the cloud belts, that it  also has a middle core of metallic like hydrogen..between the outer cloud belt and its inner core..

It seems some of the gas hydrogen changed its state to become a Solid material at lower stages in its atmosphere due to very high pressures..that are created as you go further down into its clouds..

They then made suggestions on how it was formed... with two main theories..

One that it may have been from some smaller like planet or large rock... that ended up gaining its various gases from space over time and ended up as it is now..

The other theory that it was a combination of many small like rocks that formed together somehow...to eventually create its core..

It has been using a probe JUNO to monitor it .. as Juno can get much closer to it than any previous probes and deal with its intense radiation that previously prevented other probes from doing the research that they wanted..


In ref to space craft or probes... and question of the likes of the Van Allen belt effecting them or their electronics..I wonder when they managed to deal with the Van Allen belt in say with the Flights of and before Apollo in the 1970s.. and onwards..

There was always the concernes about radiation effecting old type of electronics ,I assume... as was mentioned recently in another thread..

But I am sure that we do believe that Probes have been sent much further than the moon to other planets in the Solar system..

If not they have done an incredible job in faking it IMO..its suggesting that probes can now deal with the likes of Jupiters radiation ...

So have they now conqurered radiation issues ? with any certainty that are may worse than any vann allen belt ?

Have they done so that Man can now be Ok to go into deeper space ?

This film, narrated by Toby Jones, follows Nasa's mission to send its Juno spacecraft to Jupiter, the largest and oldest planet in the solar system. Juno is visiting the most extreme environment Nasa has ever studied. Jupiter is two and a half times as large as all the other planets combined, and with extreme size comes extreme radiation, requiring the craft's fragile electronics to be encased in 200kg of titanium. But its findings are incredible. Juno has observed lightning a thousand times more powerful than that on Earth, has found signs that there may be huge amounts of water on Jupiter, and can reveal to us what is at the planet's core.

[ArMaP]

There was always the concernes about radiation effecting old type of electronics ,I assume... as was mentioned recently in another thread..

It's the opposite, modern electronics are more easily affected because of the small size of their components and of the low energy levels they work with. In those conditions a small interference provoked by radiation can have huge consequences.

So have they now conqurered radiation issues ? with any certainty that are may worse than any vann allen belt ?

I suppose the first thing they needed to know to be able to create a probe that can sustain the levels of radiation near Jupiter is to understand what type of radiation they need to work with. Knowing that they will know how to harden the electronics so they can resist against that type of radiation.

[astr0144]

I now recall the details of your post in ref to the Buzz Aldrin did not go to the moon thread.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11034.msg144945#msg144945

I think what I am unsure about is or was... what we were discussing on that thread in relation to did any of the Apollo Flights actually go to the Moon..

and as had been discussed on some past threads... it has been suggested that the Space craft could not have travelled there due to the Van Allen Radiation Belt. V.A.R.B

Now if that was the case... then the electronics used back then... would not have seemed to have been up to it...

BUT since then... we have appeared to have sent probes to further away planets than the moon .. which seems to be with more updated electronics..

As has also been said... it maybe that NASA did send some Apollo programs to the moon or other spacecraft even if just to orbit and photo the moon..

I think thats what needs to initially be clarified in terms of the older claimed Space flights..travelling some distance with the older electronics..that could pass the V.A.R.B..
even if manned flights could not do this ? if humans could not travel due to the V.A.RB, ...

As I say it does seem as if the more modern probes or certain spacecraft can now travel further... and I assume pass the Van Allen Radiation belt... if they are able to go to other planets..

So that may seem to suggest more modern electronics is what is able to deal with radiation better..

But in the article.. it does say... that how fragile the electronics are... and it says that what they did was encase them in 200 KG of Titainium....

Have they done this for other crafts or probes in the past to some degree..

although if they dont travel too close to planets of I assume which usually have higher radiation levels than that to just open space, as it travels thru long strethes of space..
Other than say like the V.A.R.B

So have they sent Craft to Mars ?... we are led to believe so... and I would be very surprised if they did not send those probes to the outer planets..

Nasa has ever studied. Jupiter is two and a half times as large as all the other planets combined, and with extreme size comes extreme radiation, requiring the craft's fragile electronics to be encased in 200kg of titanium

Posted by: ArMaP 

It's the opposite, modern electronics are more easily affected because of the small size of their components and of the low energy levels they work with. In those conditions a small interference provoked by radiation can have huge consequences.

In the case of Jupiter, its suggested that it has higher radiation than any other planet in the solar system..

How that compares to Van Allen belt  radiation, I do not know !

I not sure about types of radiation... Or how Belts of radiation in space exists..

but in ref to the planets ... I think its down to the heat and size of the planet..

I suppose the first thing they needed to know to be able to create a probe that can sustain the levels of radiation near Jupiter is to understand what type of radiation they need to work with. Knowing that they will know how to harden the electronics so they can resist against that type of radiation.

[Pimander]

and as had been discussed on some past threads... it has been suggested that the Space craft could not have travelled there due to the Van Allen Radiation Belt. V.A.R.B

It has also been suggested that the craft could travel through the belts but the dose of radiation would effect the health of astronauts adversely.  The Russians had already successfully landed unmanned probes on the Moon before Apollo 11....

The amount of solar radiation the Apollo astronauts would be exposed to should also be considered.  If NASA don't think that is an issue then why did they publish material such as below.

Above: Artist's concept of an electrostatic radiation shield, consisting of positively charged inner spheres and negatively charged outer spheres. The screen net is connected to ground. Image courtesy ASRC Aerospace.

Those are all physical solutions. There is another possibility, one with no physical substance but plenty of shielding power: a force field.

Most of the dangerous radiation in space consists of electrically charged particles: high-speed electrons and protons from the Sun, and massive, positively charged atomic nuclei from distant supernovas.

Like charges repel. So why not protect astronauts by surrounding them with a powerful electric field that has the same charge as the incoming radiation, thus deflecting the radiation away?

Many experts are skeptical that electric fields can be made to protect astronauts. But Charles Buhler and John Lane, both scientists with ASRC Aerospace Corporation at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, believe it can be done. They've received support from the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts, whose job is to fund studies of far-out ideas, to investigate the possibility of electric shields for lunar bases.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/24jun_electrostatics

NASA claim the Apollo boys were just lucky that Solar radiation levels were low when they went.  As usual this is a convenient answer.

"A lot of people think about the Apollo astronauts, and that they didn't have much protection and were fine," Lane told SPACE.com. "But in Apollo, it was a very short mission and a lot of it was basically luck. I'm not sure how they managed to be so lucky, but I don't think you can count on luck on short missions for the future or trips to the planets."

John Lane, an applications scientist with ASRC Aerospace Corp. at Kennedy Space Center (KSC). https://www.space.com/658-lunar-shields-radiation-protection-moon-based-astronauts.html

So they wouldn't want to risk it now without protection.  That is why I contend that they did not risk it for Apollo 11.  The mission COULD NOT fail.  They pretended to go and just did a few orbits of the Earth before splashing back down and having the dodgy press conference when Aldrin and Armstrong were clearly scared/shocked etc.  A human intelligence specialist informed me that in his expert opinion they were hiding something (probably under duress) in that conference.



Yeah right guys.  You went to the Moon and can't agree on that!  Fuc4 off! 

Apollo 11 was a huge act of fraud.

[Irene]

The body language in the astronaut interview video is deceptive. They're uncomfortable with the question AND the answer.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

The body language in the astronaut interview video is deceptive. They're uncomfortable with the question AND the answer.

It appears to me that they were being careful not to reveal classified info. That's why their answers are short and deliberate. And in all probability rehearsed extensively.
Yes they did go to the moon, just not as it was protrayed.
They are definitely things they weren't allowed to talk about!

[Irene]

It appears to me that they were being careful not to reveal classified info. That's why their answers are short and deliberate. And in all probability rehearsed extensively.
Yes they did go to the moon, just not as it was protrayed.
They are definitely things they weren't allowed to talk about!

I disagree. I think there's a very good reason Armstrong withdrew from public life. He knew he would have to lie and he couldn't bear to do it more than he had to.

Even Buzz Aldrin has a hard time now maintaining the party line.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Well I think that most people 'see' what they want to 'see'. Even if the 'facts' are pure conjecture, they will find something, anything to validate that belief. I'm not immune from doing the same thing. Until someone goes up there and flies around what is supposed to be the Apollo landing sites, and looks at the foot prints and all the junk they left, no one knows. I think they went.

[Irene]

Well I think that most people 'see' what they want to 'see'. Even if the 'facts' are pure conjecture, they will find something, anything to validate that belief. I not immune from the same thing. Until someone goes up there and flies around what is supposed to be the Apollo landing sites, and looks at the foot prints and all the junk they left, no one knows. I think they went.

Who said they didn't go? I didn't. All I said was their body language indicates deception. They're lying about something.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Not talking about you in particular. Just an observation of some comments. I thought I was speaking in general. I'm just too stupid to know the difference I guess. 

[Irene]

Not talking about you in particular. Just an observation of some comments. I thought I was speaking in general. I'm just too stupid to know the difference I guess. 

I know. Don't sweat it. 

[Pimander]

Not talking about you in particular. Just an observation of some comments. I thought I was speaking in general. I'm just too stupid to know the difference I guess. 

I think humans have visited the Moon.  Perhaps even one of the Apollo missions made it.  But Apollo 11?  No chance.

It's a hoax!

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I think humans have visited the Moon.  Perhaps even one of the Apollo missions made it.  But Apollo 11?  No chance.

It's a hoax!

You maybe right Pim but I think differently. Until.... lol

[zorgon]

Yes they did go to the moon,

Do you have any tangible proof from a source OTHER that NASA?

They are definitely things they weren't allowed to talk about!

yes MOST definitely

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

lol well I was going to say Z, do you have ...... oh wait a minute...